More love for Branden Albert

[Ryfo18]

Pete Prisco (CBS analyst) released some interesting rankings. It ranks teams based on 4 things:

1. Franchise QB
2. Pass rusher
3. Shutdown Corner
4. Franchise left tackle

So the team with the best pass rusher (or corner or left tackle) in the league gets 32 points. For quarterback, it is the same, except QB gets double points. So Aaron Rodgers is worth 64 points.

For the Chiefs rankings at each of these positions, we have:

1. Cassel, 24
2. Albert, 10
3. Hali, 9
4. Flowers, 5

This puts the Chiefs at ninth overall (wow!).

Albert continues to get respect as one of the better (top third) left tackles in the league. Profootballfocus has also graded him out very well. What I don't get is why some (namely chief31) will continue to call for the replacement of Albert, while defending Cassel. Seems like very backwards logic.

Nice to see Flowers and Hali get some respect too, though I would argue that Hali is too low.

[Coach]

Albert is a top 1/3 lt. He would likely be a top 5 lg. the argument for replacing Albert has more to do with fixing two positions with one 1 pick. By taking a lt in the first round, you hopefully end up with a top 10 lt and slide Albert inside to lg to become a top 5 lg. And you could have potentially paid him left guard money when is his deal came up at the end of 2012. Now we will need to pay him top lt money at the end of this season.

[ctchiefsfan]

Albert is a top 1/3 lt. He would likely be a top 5 lg. the argument for replacing Albert has more to do with fixing two positions with one 1 pick. By taking a lt in the first round, you hopefully end up with a top 10 lt and slide Albert inside to lg to become a top 5 lg. And you could have potentially paid him left guard money when is his deal came up at the end of 2012. Now we will need to pay him top lt money at the end of this season.

That makes sense. Though for now, I am quite satisfied just having Albert in a Chiefs uniform rather than somebody else's.

[AussieChiefsFan]

That makes sense. Though for now, I am quite satisfied just having Albert in a Chiefs uniform rather than somebody else's.

Me too. Hopefully they resign him to a decent contact after this season.

[Ryfo18]

Albert is a top 1/3 lt. He would likely be a top 5 lg. the argument for replacing Albert has more to do with fixing two positions with one 1 pick. By taking a lt in the first round, you hopefully end up with a top 10 lt and slide Albert inside to lg to become a top 5 lg. And you could have potentially paid him left guard money when is his deal came up at the end of 2012. Now we will need to pay him top lt money at the end of this season.

But why use a high pick to take a LT, when you can get a solid LG after round 1 (like the Chiefs may have done)? And there is probably a 1% chance Albert would stick around to play for LG money when he can get LT money elsewhere. So you've used a high pick on a LT (a position that is becoming exceedingly overrated) and still have no LG.

[matthewschiefs]

All of those players with the exception of cassel who is ranked 24th are the previous regime's draft choices.

I am sorry I couldn't resist

See what happens when you let talent develop something that you won't give the current regime's draft choices to do

[Ryfo18]

See what happens when you let talent develop something that you won't give the current regime's draft choices to do

Boom goes the dynamite

[OPLookn]

The 09 draft class? What franchise tag players are comparable to those up above from 09? There aren't any.

And you're back to your standard talking points. Who had a good draft from 09? Point to me any team that had one?!? Everyone was on board the Curry train (myself included) and the guy's been a major bust. As much as you like to beat up Jackson he's been a good pick for us. Maybe not the slot we picked him as but a good starter over all. Please, PLEASE give up that tired excuse.

[Ryfo18]

And you're back to your standard talking points. Who had a good draft from 09? Point to me any team that had one?!? Everyone was on board the Curry train (myself included) and the guy's been a major bust. As much as you like to beat up Jackson he's been a good pick for us. Maybe not the slot we picked him as but a good starter over all. Please, PLEASE give up that tired excuse.

Yeah I'm looking at New England's 2009 draft class...Pretty brutal as well.

[matthewschiefs]

The 09 draft class? What franchise tag players are comparable to those up above from 09? There aren't any.

This is a classic case of you either A leaving out key parts of what was going on. Or B You just don't know what was going on in KC at the time of the 09 draft.

Do I think that the 09 draft was great not by any means but look at what was going on with this team they were coming off a HORRIBLE 2008 season. They were undergoing a complete overhaul of there coaching staff and front office that has an affect on a team. I know you will say that's just an excuse but you seem to have an excuse for everything that goes right so I'm entitled to have one when things go wrong.

If that is not a fair thing to consider for you then I have a challenge for you. Go find me a team in the history of the game that was undergoing the changes that were happening in 09 and had a great draft. I'll wait. I bet you have a hard time finding one. It just doesn't happen very often. That's why when a team makes changes they are given a period of time to show improvement they are not on the hot seat right away.

So lets look at the other drafts. Moaki,Mccluster,Berry,Succop,Houston,Kendrick Lewis who did well in spurts last season all nice peaces to have. Baldwin could be as well all the talk has been good on him so far this offseason.

You keep pointing to the 09 drafts. That is 1 out of 3 drafts that we have seen the players play in so far. You're not being fair in looking at the whole picture. You also only point out the good in the past groups picks you don't mention the Justin Medlocks,Jeff webs, Brodie croyle type picks that didn't work out. And if you go look at those whole drafts you will see there are far far more of the bad picks then good ones. Just be fair you have to take the good and the bad into account not just the good on one side and the bad on the other

[matthewschiefs]

We had a great draft from 06-08.



You have GOT to be kidding me Please tell me you are joking yes we got guys like Flowers,Bowe,Hali,Charles,Albert,Even Dorsey in that time thats 6 picks in 3 years. I can name 14 that FAILED

1. Brodie Croyle
2. Marcus Maxey
3. Tre Stallings
4. Jeff Webb
5. DeMarcus Tyler
6. Kolby Smith (showed some promise but kept getting hurt)
7. Justin Medlock
8. Michael Allen
9. DeJauan Morgan
10. William Franklin
11. Berry Richardson
12. Kevin Robinson
13. Brian Johnston
14. Mike Merritt.

That's great drafting alright

[matthewschiefs]

You go to super bowls by drafting players like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Jason Pierre Paul, Eli manning, Franchise once in a lifetime impact players like Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe. You dont get there drafting a solid 3/4 DE with the third pick in the entire draft and bringing in a qb who hasn't played well. Bust in 09, cream puff schedule in 10 and bust in 11. Now hes starting in 12? You have to be kidding

You once again completely ignore part of the facts. Again I ask you to find me a team that had a "great draft" while undergoing a Complete overhaul of there coaching staff and front office both at the same time. Instead you do what you always do make excuses for the good. You say that our QB could only beat creampuffs in 2010 while at the same time declaring him a bust in 09 when the Chiefs were one of the cream puffs. Just be a little objective with your criticisms is that to much to ask for. Throwing out the good and only looking at the bad is not being objective.

[nigeriannightmare]

You once again completely ignore part of the facts. Again I ask you to find me a team that had a "great draft" while undergoing a Complete overhaul of there coaching staff and front office both at the same time. Instead you do what you always do make excuses for the good. You say that our QB could only beat creampuffs in 2010 while at the same time declaring him a bust in 09 when the Chiefs were one of the cream puffs. Just be a little objective with your criticisms is that to much to ask for. Throwing out the good and only looking at the bad is not being objective.

Dude he lives in a world where the sky is brown and bj raji is president and brian orakp is vp. I cant wait till we are division champs, and see what his excuses are for our success.

[nigeriannightmare]

Many teams had great drafts that year. MANY

Okay point them out please. And a good draft doesnt mean they drafted one probowler.

[jason1981]

i agree you dont draft a 3-4 end at number 3 in the draft. when your that high you pick a game change player. if we picked jackson up later like even as high as 8 i wouldnt have been upset about it. though being i said that it doesnt mean jackson is a bust. i think he can be a good de if he finds some consistency. we just drafted him to high. people want to complain about not trading back down this year for poe. well poe is more of an impact player than jackson is or was. we should have traded down that year and if we couldnt u pick an impact player. i will admit i cant remember the impact players that year cuz hard to keep track whay year a player is drafted. but my point is the rule of thumb when ur that high you pick a franchise player a player who will change the game for you cuz u never know when u will be that high again to be able to get one. its in the past and *****ing about it aint going tk change so im way over it. jackson is not a bust though just drafted to high. a bust is a player that no longer plays or is a backup player when chosen that high.

[nigeriannightmare]

i agree you dont draft a 3-4 end at number 3 in the draft. when your that high you pick a game change player. if we picked jackson up later like even as high as 8 i wouldnt have been upset about it. though being i said that it doesnt mean jackson is a bust. i think he can be a good de if he finds some consistency. we just drafted him to high. people want to complain about not trading back down this year for poe. well poe is more of an impact player than jackson is or was. we should have traded down that year and if we couldnt u pick an impact player. i will admit i cant remember the impact players that year cuz hard to keep track whay year a player is drafted. but my point is the rule of thumb when ur that high you pick a franchise player a player who will change the game for you cuz u never know when u will be that highem again to be able to get one. its in the past and *****ing about it aint going tk change so im way over it. jackson is not a bust though just drafted to high. a bust is a player that no longer plays or is a backup player when chosen that high.

Pioli said he wanted to trade down there werent any takers, we were coming off a 2 win season he disnt have much to work with.

[jason1981]

if he couldnt trade down then he shouldnt have taken jackson. should have gotten an franchise player. i just beleive when your that high you take value of a player over need.

[nigeriannightmare]

if he couldnt trade down then he shouldnt have taken jackson. should have gotten an franchise player. i just beleive when your that high you take value of a player over need.

There was no one available at that spot i think thatvdraft was extrmely weak. Most on this site were soooo high on aaron curry and said he was a franchise player i dont even think hes in the nfl anymore. Pioli said he wanted jackson all along and was hoping to trade back to the middle of the first round where he was projected. You all seem to forget there was a lot of crap going on in kc at that time.

[jason1981]

well to be honest i cant remember that years draft class. it all runs together. my opinion poe would be worth a 3 more than jackson and everyones comaining that we picked poe at 11. i think poe has a alot more potential than jackson. but no i cant remember the class but i was high on curry as well. im not saying it was a lost or anything just that we chose him to high weather it was right or wrong to do doesnt matter. but saying there was alot of stuff I
going on in kc is not an excuse. u still pick value over need that high. im not mad over the pick and never was. was shocked but thats all.

[OPLookn]

Many teams had great drafts that year. MANY

Wow MANY?? Like who? You still haven't named a team yet.

[OPLookn]

well to be honest i cant remember that years draft class. it all runs together. my opinion poe would be worth a 3 more than jackson and everyones comaining that we picked poe at 11. i think poe has a alot more potential than jackson. but no i cant remember the class but i was high on curry as well. im not saying it was a lost or anything just that we chose him to high weather it was right or wrong to do doesnt matter. but saying there was alot of stuff I
going on in kc is not an excuse. u still pick value over need that high. im not mad over the pick and never was. was shocked but thats all.


Pick # NFL team Player Pos.
1 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 St. Louis Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Kansas City Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seattle Seahawks Aaron Curry LB
5 New York Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Cincinnati Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Oakland Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey
8 Jacksonville Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Green Bay Packers B. J. Raji† DT
10 San Francisco 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Buffalo Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Denver Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Washington Redskins Brian Orakpo† DE
14 New Orleans Saints Malcolm Jenkins CB
15 Houston Texans Brian Cushing† LB
16 San Diego Chargers Larry English DE
17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB
18 Denver Broncos Robert Ayers DE
19 Philadelphia Eagles Jeremy Maclin WR
20 Detroit Lions Brandon Pettigrew TE
21 Cleveland Browns Alex Mack† C
22 Minnesota Vikings Percy Harvin† WR
23 Baltimore Ravens Michael Oher OT
24 Atlanta Falcons Peria Jerry DT
25 Miami Dolphins Vontae Davis CB
26 Green Bay Packers Clay Matthews† LB
27 Indianapolis Colts Donald Brown RB
28 Buffalo Bills Eric Wood C
29 New York Giants Hakeem Nicks WR
30 Tennessee Titans Kenny Britt WR
31 Arizona Cardinals Chris "Beanie" Wells RB
32 Pittsburgh Steelers Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT

There are 6 pro bowlers out of the first round. Raji was seen the same as Poe in a boom or bust sense. However the huge knock on Raji was him being lazy. He showed up to the combine overweight, he had his pro day overweight, etc, etc.

Orakpo was a tweener in a 3-4 defense and we already had one of those in Hali. I remember there being talk of people being unsure if Hali would be able to flourish as an OLB. So there sure as heck wasn't a point to drafting yet another guy who might not make it as a OLB in a 3-4 D no matter how some wanted him.

Cushing we didn't need at the time as we were in the process of switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 so we really weren't sure who was going to make the transition and what we'd need.

At that point we're clear down to the 21st pick and we didn't need a center. I believe we just got Weigmann back. That leaves Clay Matthews who if we didn't take Cushing we wouldn't have taken Matthews.

As much as some people want to complain (MMO) no one really had a good draft in 2009.

[jason1981]

well one im not really complaining about it. was just stating that u should draft value over need is all when your that high. looking at that list yeah it doesnt seem like there were many stars in the draft but we didnt know that then. so u really cant use that as an excuse. but yes i agree it wound up being a poor draft class. i dont have an issue with the jackson pick though as long as he gets more consistant..

[nigeriannightmare]

How is Raji comparable to Poe as far as a football player? From Raji scouting report... Early in the 2008 season, the 6-1, 323 pound defensive tackle has been a dominating run stopper and a tough match-up for any Atlantic Coast Conference opponent. He had played nose tackle and was a force in college unlike poe, I like the poe pick but to compare the two is wrong.

"No one had a really good draft in 09."

Really?

I have just looked at 2 teams in that draft, GB picked raji and clay matthews, 2 impact pro bowl players and Pitt picked Hood a good 3/4 de and Mike Wallace, a franchise WR.

Dude bj raji sucked in 2011 the green bay defense was the worst in the nfl, the worst so out of the 7 or 8 picked a team makes 2 picks makes it a good draft.....thats kind of some backward thinking. And two out of 32 isnt many thats a couple.

To me a good draft would mean higher than 50% of ur picks make the team and contribute.

[Ryfo18]

How is Raji comparable to Poe as far as a football player? From Raji scouting report... Early in the 2008 season, the 6-1, 323 pound defensive tackle has been a dominating run stopper and a tough match-up for any Atlantic Coast Conference opponent. He had played nose tackle and was a force in college unlike poe, I like the poe pick but to compare the two is wrong.

"No one had a really good draft in 09."

Really?

I have just looked at 2 teams in that draft, GB picked raji and clay matthews, 2 impact pro bowl players and Pitt picked Hood a good 3/4 de and Mike Wallace, a franchise WR.

This is very true. BJ Raji was unable to build on his great 2010 season, while Jackson continued to make improvements.

Try this on for size:

Profootballfocus graded BJ Raji as THE WORST NT/DT IN THE LEAGUE IN 2011. Here's a screenshot for proof:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/RyFo18/raji.jpg

Meanwhile, Tyson Jackson graded out as the 11th best 3-4 DE in the league (6th best in run stopping, which you lauded Raji for).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/RyFo18/jackson.jpg

So let's compare grades:

Overall: Raji (-19.0), Jackson (8.3)
Pass Rush: Raji (-4.9), Jackson (-5.4)
Run Stopping: Raji (-16.2), Jackson (10.0)

And no, this isn't golf...lower scores are not better.

You continue to bring your ill-informed opinions about Tyson Jackson, and assume that Raji is a better player because he made the pro-bowl (a much easier task when your team consistently wins). THERE WERE 87 DTs/NTs better than BJ Raji last year!!!

You probably won't even read this, b/c you typically don't and just continue to spout your nonsense. But whatever.

[ctchiefsfan]

This is very true. BJ Raji was unable to build on his great 2010 season, while Jackson continued to make improvements.

Try this on for size:

Profootballfocus graded BJ Raji as THE WORST NT/DT IN THE LEAGUE IN 2011. Here's a screenshot for proof:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/RyFo18/raji.jpg

Meanwhile, Tyson Jackson graded out as the 11th best 3-4 DE in the league (6th best in run stopping, which you lauded Raji for).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/RyFo18/jackson.jpg

So let's compare grades:

Overall: Raji (-19.0), Jackson (8.3)
Pass Rush: Raji (-4.9), Jackson (-5.4)
Run Stopping: Raji (-16.2), Jackson (10.0)

And no, this isn't golf...lower scores are not better.

You continue to bring your ill-informed opinions about Tyson Jackson, and assume that Raji is a better player because he made the pro-bowl (a much easier task when your team consistently wins). THERE WERE 87 DTs/NTs better than BJ Raji last year!!!

You probably won't even read this, b/c you typically don't and just continue to spout your nonsense. But whatever.

+1 Please ignore the troll.

[OPLookn]

How is Raji comparable to Poe as far as a football player? From Raji scouting report... Early in the 2008 season, the 6-1, 323 pound defensive tackle has been a dominating run stopper and a tough match-up for any Atlantic Coast Conference opponent. He had played nose tackle and was a force in college unlike poe, I like the poe pick but to compare the two is wrong.

"No one had a really good draft in 09."

Really?

I have just looked at 2 teams in that draft, GB picked raji and clay matthews, 2 impact pro bowl players and Pitt picked Hood a good 3/4 de and Mike Wallace, a franchise WR.

Apparently you skim and don't read. I said that the two were the same in that they are either going to be boom's or bust's. At no point did I say they were valued the same. Raji also was overweight and lazy or so was the knock on him.

You just looked at 2 teams...really? I didn't know that the 1st round pick defined if the draft was good or not!

After they picked Raji (who wasn't a lock at the time and had a dismal 2011) they picked Matthews. Matthews was a good pick but after that they picked two guys that are 2nd or 3rd team and have done nothing and the other guys aren't on the team. Of COURSE your 1st rounders are going to be playing. They're supposed to be, that's why they go in the first round!

The Steelers had a better draft then the Packers in my opinion. Their 1st rounder was good and they hit on their 3rd rounder. The shocker to me was the 7th rounder they drafted that started all 16 games this last season.

Now for the Chiefs, we got Tyson Jackson (starter), Cassel in a trade (starter), Vrabel (starter), Ryan Succop (starter) and Donald Washington (backup). Yeah, I can see how that draft totally sucked. Oh the other guys while not playing for the Chiefs are still in the NFL. Even the teams you said drafted great can't say that.

[Chiefster]

Speaking only for myself, I don't necessarily "want [Cassel] gone" because should we happen to acquire a better QB I think he is more than a capable backup, and since we haven't he is our starter.

[OPLookn]

Sometimes OP I think you have gone and drank the kool aid. Our 09 draft was horrible. We had the third draft pick and got a solid 3/4 de and a qb most of chiefs nation want gone and our third round pick was cut.

It was not a good draft. If you give me players like raji and matthews every year in the same draft we would be in the super bowl in no time.

Riiight I've completely drank the koolaid. Those same two starters that you'd take every year were on the worst defense in the league last year. How exactly are they "impact" players then? Or how they went undefeated until they faced some of the guys we had with our horrible draft of 09? You know the one where we didn't have Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry or Tony Moeaki?

I swear, talking to you is like ...:banghead:

[ctchiefsfan]

I swear, talking to you is like ...:banghead:

Small correction OPLookin...Talking to him is not like http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/2fewdaysafield/avatars/headbanger.gif Rather it IS
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/2fewdaysafield/avatars/headbanger.gif








It is also....

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/2fewdaysafield/avatars/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

[matthewschiefs]

Sometimes OP I think you have gone and drank the kool aid. Our 09 draft was horrible. We had the third draft pick and got a solid 3/4 de and a qb most of chiefs nation want gone and our third round pick was cut.

It was not a good draft. If you give me players like raji and matthews every year in the same draft we would be in the super bowl in no time.

Since when is getting a solid player reason to say that the draft was horrible. It's not like he's in the Jamarcus Russel,Ryan leaf level of bad. And those were 1st and 2nd picks. I see nothing wrong with getting a solid player.

And look at the facts our defense was better last year the the D with Raji and Matthews.

[chiefnut]

PLEEEEEEEEASE stop!!!! you both have {some ] valid points and if you continue to debate this till the end of time neither will change opinion. one argues the good, the other the bad, until it just gets ugly. move on to something esle
do we now have as good TE's as the pats?
do we have the best two back tandem in the league?
how does our secondary stack up- this year?
is our new O line in the top 5?
is red or gold your favorite color?
can we win our division this year?
how much impact will peyton manning have?
do those jeans make your hips look big?
did the mayans just run out of stone for their calendar?
can bowe, breaston, and baldwin become the best receiver trio in the league?
how many raider fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?


just pick anything!!!!

[OPLookn]

PLEEEEEEEEASE stop!!!! you both have {some ] valid points and if you continue to debate this till the end of time neither will change opinion. one argues the good, the other the bad, until it just gets ugly. move on to something esle

do we now have as good TE's as the pats?
I think they're in the same class but not quite at the same level within that class.



do we have the best two back tandem in the league?

Absolutely, I feel this year will be a true thunder and lightning year.



how does our secondary stack up- this year?

It stacks up better than last year. Yes we dropped off a bit with Carr leaving but not much. The major addition is getting Berry back.



is our new O line in the top 5?

That will depend on how well Hudson picks up being a center and how well the entire line gels.



is red or gold your favorite color?

Red, it takes away from my eyes being bloodshot after a night of drinking.



can we win our division this year?

No we can't...we WILL.




how much impact will peyton manning have?

A lot...especially with the ground.




do those jeans make your hips look big?

Yes.



did the mayans just run out of stone for their calendar?

Well since the Mayans didn't recognize the leap year the world ended sometime last year. We're just in extended time like a soccer game.



can bowe, breaston, and baldwin become the best receiver trio in the league?

It'll be interesting to see how Cassel will distribute the ball after getting some time with Baldwin being the #1 in OTA's



how many raider fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?


just pick anything!!!!

Zero, they haven't figured out how electricity works.

There, think I got them all.
:efpge:

[chiefnut]

Thanx, that was much better

[HaliForPresident]

And you're back to your standard talking points. Who had a good draft from 09? Point to me any team that had one?!? Everyone was on board the Curry train (myself included) and the guy's been a major bust. As much as you like to beat up Jackson he's been a good pick for us. Maybe not the slot we picked him as but a good starter over all. Please, PLEASE give up that tired excuse.

See Packers. They drafted a NT that was available at our selection who rated by most everyone higher than Jackson.

[Ryfo18]

See Packers. They drafted a NT that was available at our selection who rated by most everyone higher than Jackson.

Raji was ranked as the worst NT/DT in the league last year by ProFootballFocus.com.

[OPLookn]

Raji was ranked as the worst NT/DT in the league last year by ProFootballFocus.com.

You can't go quoting facts when you're arguing feelings! Suck it Trebek!

:lol: