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chiefnut
08-14-2012, 08:41 AM
Powe, not Poe, battling Toribio at nose tackle



By RANDY COVITZ

The Kansas City Star


By RANDY COVITZ The Kansas City Star
Updated: 2012-08-14T00:53:08Z
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SHANE KEYSER
Chiefs defensive lineman Jerrell Powe danced after sacking Arizona Cardinals quarterback Richard Bartel in the fourth quarter on Friday night.





One of the most competitive battles in Chiefs camp is at nose tackle, where Anthony Toribio is starting ahead of first-round pick Dontari Poe and second-year man Jerrell Powe, a sixth-round pick in 2011.
Toribio made solo tackles in each of the No. 1 defense’s series during the preseason opener Friday against Arizona, stopping LaRod Stephens-Howling in his tracks after a 1-yard gain; and dropping Alfonso Smith for a 1-yard loss. Powe was credited with a sack. Poe did not scratch the scoresheet.
“Toribio made some plays, which we liked,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. “The young Poe, he’s still learning, and he gave good effort. He’s trying to learn to do the things the way we want them. He’s not there yet.
“And P-O-W-E … he got in there, he made a play. He’s improved from where he was last year. The completion is still a competition. It’s not a bad thing to have a couple or three guys to play the position, if they can do it.”


this is going to get REAL confusing

Read more here: Powe, not Poe, battling Toribio at nose tackle - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/13/3760743/powe-not-poe-battling-toribio.html#storylink=cpy)

Lord-Chiefy
08-14-2012, 02:58 PM
Hated the Poe pick when it happened and even hate it more now!!!!! Stupidest thing pioli has done yet.

2010chiefs
08-14-2012, 07:07 PM
It's starting to look thay way. Looks like we didn't even need him. He's a work in progress for next year now.

chief31
08-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Well,... Ask, and ye shall recieve, hunh?

I asked for Powe, and Powe appears.

I need to see The Chiefs win a couple of Super Bowls to feel comfortable about this team.
:lol:

GarH
08-14-2012, 09:45 PM
Still happy with the Poe pick. Also happy to see Powe starting to come on. Gotta love having 3 DTs in competition for the starting job. We are going to have the best depth we've had there in ages.

IslandKing77
08-14-2012, 10:17 PM
So, this is a great article if you don't know anything about the 3 - 4 defense or how Romeo operates it with the Chiefs.

They have stated, time and time again, that Poe is the starting nose tackle in the sub package, not the base defense. The Chiefs ran the sub package 50% of the time last season. Where Poe is on the depth chart regarding the base unit is irrelevant.

I'm going to have to trust the judgement of the guy with the proven ability to run a 3 - 4 defense to know what he is talking about with regards to bringing a new player along. Poe is the future at nose tackle for the Chiefs, that's not even a debate. What takes time to develop is rewriting the instinct of the player. Instead of just rushing at the QB, defensive lineman in the base package are expected to hold their ground, tie up the offensive line to keep the linebackers free, and then shed blockers and flow to the play as it develops.

Most people obviously have no concept of this and they're the same people who were/are calling Jackson and Dorsey a 'bust'.

But that's fine, if you want to trust a sports writer with enough skill to get a job in Kansas City but go no further, over a multiple super bowl winning defensive coordinator, go ahead. Obviously defensive lineman is an easy position, they grow on trees and that is why there are so many of them awarded rookie of the year.

slc chief
08-14-2012, 10:22 PM
what a dumb article we are not even out of training camp and poe's head is already on the block. there is nothing flashy about a nt in crenells 3-4 defense so everybody who is looking for it just dont understand it

IslandKing77
08-14-2012, 10:28 PM
what a dumb article we are not even out of training camp and poe's head is already on the block. there is nothing flashy about a nt in crenells 3-4 defense so everybody who is looking for it just dont understand it

Exactly, but the morons at the Star have to write something and it's easier to just make stuff up especially if it's contrary to what the head coach is saying.

My favorite thing about Crennel is that he doesn't blow smoke. It is incredibly refreshing to watch his press conferences and see someone cut through the bull**** and answer questions in a straight forward manner. Even the stupid ones.

Instead of watching Haley try to be the smartest guy in the room by evading giving an answer you get to see someone with a complete understanding and vast experience teach a class and attempt to educate the press.

Not that it is successful, thus the article we're currently discussing.

chiefnut
08-14-2012, 11:04 PM
So, this is a great article if you don't know anything about the 3 - 4 defense or how Romeo operates it with the Chiefs.

They have stated, time and time again, that Poe is the starting nose tackle in the sub package, not the base defense. The Chiefs ran the sub package 50% of the time last season. Where Poe is on the depth chart regarding the base unit is irrelevant.

I'm going to have to trust the judgement of the guy with the proven ability to run a 3 - 4 defense to know what he is talking about with regards to bringing a new player along. Poe is the future at nose tackle for the Chiefs, that's not even a debate. What takes time to develop is rewriting the instinct of the player. Instead of just rushing at the QB, defensive lineman in the base package are expected to hold their ground, tie up the offensive line to keep the linebackers free, and then shed blockers and flow to the play as it develops.

Most people obviously have no concept of this and they're the same people who were/are calling Jackson and Dorsey a 'bust'.

But that's fine, if you want to trust a sports writer with enough skill to get a job in Kansas City but go no further, over a multiple super bowl winning defensive coordinator, go ahead. Obviously defensive lineman is an easy position, they grow on trees and that is why there are so many of them awarded rookie of the year.


this years "sub pkg" for poe according to romeo is in passing situations which by the way the D played will probably be on third downs which would drop that to about 35%. i'm not making any final judgements just posting some interesting info which is all we got until week one.

chiefnut
08-14-2012, 11:09 PM
what a dumb article we are not even out of training camp and poe's head is already on the block. there is nothing flashy about a nt in crenells 3-4 defense so everybody who is looking for it just dont understand it

gee whiz i thought i understood pretty darn good the concepts of the 3-4, 4-3, and hybrids. again this is not the post to be carved into a stone tablet and brought down the mountain, just a little interesting preseason info with a nifty confusing name twist thrown in for fun. unbunch the panties, have a frosty mug and don't worry until kickoff time week one!!

70 chiefsfan70
08-14-2012, 11:10 PM
So, this is a great article if you don't know anything about the 3 - 4 defense or how Romeo operates it with the Chiefs.

They have stated, time and time again, that Poe is the starting nose tackle in the sub package, not the base defense. The Chiefs ran the sub package 50% of the time last season. Where Poe is on the depth chart regarding the base unit is irrelevant.

I'm going to have to trust the judgement of the guy with the proven ability to run a 3 - 4 defense to know what he is talking about with regards to bringing a new player along. Poe is the future at nose tackle for the Chiefs, that's not even a debate. What takes time to develop is rewriting the instinct of the player. Instead of just rushing at the QB, defensive lineman in the base package are expected to hold their ground, tie up the offensive line to keep the linebackers free, and then shed blockers and flow to the play as it develops.

Most people obviously have no concept of this and they're the same people who were/are calling Jackson and Dorsey a 'bust'.

But that's fine, if you want to trust a sports writer with enough skill to get a job in Kansas City but go no further, over a multiple super bowl winning defensive coordinator, go ahead. Obviously defensive lineman is an easy position, they grow on trees and that is why there are so many of them awarded rookie of the year.


I fully agree with you. Unless your name is Suh, it takes at least a second season and sometimes a third, for a DT to really get it. And like you said the front line of a 3 4 Defense has a job to hold the offense line back to free the LBers, therefore the linebackers get the tackles and or sacks.

tornadospotter
08-14-2012, 11:13 PM
All I have to say is, it is nice to have competition for all positions in the preseason. Out of camp we should have quality backups at positions. To add, I like the feel and energy the players had and translate to the field the first Preseason game.

tornadospotter
08-14-2012, 11:16 PM
gee whiz i thought i understood pretty darn good the concepts of the 3-4, 4-3, and hybrids. again this is not the post to be carved into a stone tablet and brought down the mountain, just a little interesting preseason info with a nifty confusing name twist thrown in for fun. unbunch the panties, have a frosty mug and don't worry until kickoff time week one!!
I will have one of those!:bananen_smilies046:I will agree.

Seek
08-15-2012, 11:14 AM
All I have to say is I don't care what people say the pick sucks. We don't need a project player with the 11th pick. Playing him just in nickel situations was not what we need a NT to be when we drafted NT based on Need. It bothers me that Crennel is already changing his tune on what he said Poe will do the day after we drafted him and from what he is saying today. When we drafted him he was going to be a run stuffer and come out in Nickel situations. Now he is a passing situation only.

There is nothing we can do about the pick now, but I am glad Tribio and Powe stepped up to fill the void that Poe is failing to grasp.

Canada
08-15-2012, 12:12 PM
Funny, last year the talk was about Powe was a bust...now its Poe. Its almost like D linemen take more than a preseason game to develop. As far as the pick sucking...wouldnt have been my first choice, but it was the best player available for our biggest need.

Chiefster
08-15-2012, 01:47 PM
Funny, last year the talk was about Powe was a bust...now its Poe. Its almost like D linemen take more than a preseason game to develop. As far as the pick sucking...wouldnt have been my first choice, but it was the best player available for our biggest need.

especially if their name happens to be Po/we. :D

Seek
08-15-2012, 02:43 PM
Funny, last year the talk was about Powe was a bust...now its Poe. Its almost like D linemen take more than a preseason game to develop. As far as the pick sucking...wouldnt have been my first choice, but it was the best player available for our biggest need.

Don't know who called Powe a Bust being a 6th rounder, plus he had Kelly Gregg in front of him. I guess drafting Poe as a top need meant he was a bust in the eyes of the Chiefs unless they gave him the same time line as they are giving Poe.

Now I would argue that the best player for need would have also been Fletcher Cox to possibly replace Tyson Jackson or Glenn Dorsey as his contract is coming up. Or even David DeCastro to upgrade the offensive line which after week one does not appear to be as big of need but it was Arizona.

jason1981
08-15-2012, 11:41 PM
[QUOTE][ Seek*Hall of FamerFavorite Past Chiefs Player: Will ShieldsFavorite Current Chiefs Player: Derrick JohnsonChiefs Fan for 14 years*Member Since: Jun 2008Location: Kansas CityPosts: 2,115*ArrowCash: $496928*DonateAll I have to say is I don't care what people say the pick sucks. We don't need a project player with the 11th pick. Playing him just in nickel situations was not what we need a NT to be when we drafted NT based on Need. It bothers me that Crennel is already changing his tune on what he said Poe will do the day after we drafted him and from what he is saying today. When we drafted him he was going to be a run stuffer and come out in Nickel situations. Now he is a passing situation only.*There is nothing we can do about the pick now, but I am glad Tribio and Powe stepped up to fill the void that Poe is failing to grasp.__________________ /QUOTE]

Seek u need to go back to the draft amd listen again what crennal said. He said poe could play every down and stay in on nickel and help push the pocket. He said we got hurt last year from people running on us while we were in nickle and thats what crennal is doing putting him in on nickel. U just upset cuz we didnt get ur guy and want to make up a reason to criticize. Crennal never said he is only a rjnn stuffer and wojkd come out on nickel. He said he could repeat could be everydown cuz no one knows how fast we can learn to play with the right technigwue. Wilfork was the same way. Just cant expect him to learn it overnight. I was nervous about the pick as well but im not gking to not give him a chance. But crennal did say he was going to use poe in nickel cuz thats what killed us last year was when they ran when we were in nickel.

jason1981
08-15-2012, 11:43 PM
By the way before u criticize my typing its cuz im mobile and tyling on my cell. So forgive me.

HaliForPresident
08-16-2012, 01:02 AM
Ok it is very debatable if Poe in the future at NT. I don't care what he does this year we won't be able to say for sure if he's a bust til year 3 or 4. I don't know of anybody that called Powe a bust, as matter of fact I heard good things about him and after this draft I fully expected him to play over Poe. The main reason being: Poe was second team all-conference USA and you're telling me he's gonna be a force in the NFL? Not one dominate DL in the NFL was as bad as Poe in college. Powe was more dominate in the SEC that Poe was in conference USA, so why would we not expect Powe to be better? And don't tell me combine numbers. Poe was just as athletically gifted while he was average as Memphis.

GarH
08-16-2012, 01:23 AM
The glass half empty fans are going to whine because he's not a Pro Bowl DT after his first preseason game. The glass half full fans realize it will take time to see what he is capable of as a DT in RCs system. As a DT in RCs 3-4 he is basically like having to learn a new position from what he played in college. With his physical ability if he listens to RC and the DL coach he should turn out to be a really good 3-4 DT in time.

chiefnut
08-16-2012, 08:23 AM
By the way before u criticize my typing its cuz im mobile and tyling on my cell. So forgive me.


STOP TEXTING w/driving, accounts for as many driving fatalaties as drunk driving!!!!:whipping1:

Seek
08-16-2012, 08:48 AM
[quote][ Seek*Hall of FamerFavorite Past Chiefs Player: Will ShieldsFavorite Current Chiefs Player: Derrick JohnsonChiefs Fan for 14 years*Member Since: Jun 2008Location: Kansas CityPosts: 2,115*ArrowCash: $496928*DonateAll I have to say is I don't care what people say the pick sucks. We don't need a project player with the 11th pick. Playing him just in nickel situations was not what we need a NT to be when we drafted NT based on Need. It bothers me that Crennel is already changing his tune on what he said Poe will do the day after we drafted him and from what he is saying today. When we drafted him he was going to be a run stuffer and come out in Nickel situations. Now he is a passing situation only.*There is nothing we can do about the pick now, but I am glad Tribio and Powe stepped up to fill the void that Poe is failing to grasp.__________________ /QUOTE]

Seek u need to go back to the draft amd listen again what crennal said. He said poe could play every down and stay in on nickel and help push the pocket. He said we got hurt last year from people running on us while we were in nickle and thats what crennal is doing putting him in on nickel. U just upset cuz we didnt get ur guy and want to make up a reason to criticize. Crennal never said he is only a rjnn stuffer and wojkd come out on nickel. He said he could repeat could be everydown cuz no one knows how fast we can learn to play with the right technigwue. Wilfork was the same way. Just cant expect him to learn it overnight. I was nervous about the pick as well but im not gking to not give him a chance. But crennal did say he was going to use poe in nickel cuz thats what killed us last year was when they ran when we were in nickel.

I don't recall hearing it that way, but it does not change the fact we drafted a project at 11. You draft projects in rounds three and higher.

I am not calling him a bust after one pre-season game, but I did not like what I saw Friday night, and I definately did not like what I saw at Practice on Tuesday. Maybe he was just flat on Tuesday.

Or maybe I should just shut up and don't worry about a player that a head coach had great things to say only to have his tune change after camp has started to making excuses for the same player and saying it will be almost a year and that he hopes he can help the team this year.

jason1981
08-16-2012, 09:37 AM
One i wasnt driving and typing. Secondly seek i dont think crennal has changed his tune with poe. I think hes just trying to tamper everyones huge expectations kf him and to take some pressure off of him.

Seek
08-16-2012, 03:05 PM
One i wasnt driving and typing. Secondly seek i dont think crennal has changed his tune with poe. I think hes just trying to tamper everyones huge expectations kf him and to take some pressure off of him.

Oh he is tempering everyone's expectations but those expecations came from him after drafting him. His tone has completely changed from being a very excited coach to having Poeto an exhausted coach defending Poe and basically saying it will be a while and that they hope he can help the team.

Like I said, he is drafted and there is nothing we can do about it now, but I can still voice my opinion that I am not pleased about drafting another Defensive Lineman.

OPLookn
08-16-2012, 04:03 PM
Oh he is tempering everyone's expectations but those expecations came from him after drafting him. His tone has completely changed from being a very excited coach to having Poeto an exhausted coach defending Poe and basically saying it will be a while and that they hope he can help the team.

Like I said, he is drafted and there is nothing we can do about it now, but I can still voice my opinion that I am not pleased about drafting another Defensive Lineman.

I find it funny that his tone has had to change along with people expectations. When this pick was made a lot of people including myself hated it! The guy didn't really produce (because teams ran away from where ever he was at), he'd been moved all over the line, didn't have coaching and because of it was very raw.

Now I'm not quite sure how some thought that Poe would come in, have 3 months of training and suddenly light the world on fire. Poe is a project and if Crennel has had to change his tune I think they over thought just how ready this guy was.

I'm sure Poe will get limited playing time this year since he's learning and playing just one spot on the line. Next year people will be calling him a bust and saying to drop him off the roster. I'd be shocked and extremely happy if before year thee we saw any production. I will only apply my expectations of Poe as a first round pick in year three and four of his contract.

LlamaNinja
08-16-2012, 04:07 PM
Well I personally liked getting Poe.... BUT I wanted us to trade down when we went and picked him up which we didn't. So I was thinking well at least we got our guy, but seeing him play against the Cardinals he looked alright BUT that was against 2nd and 3rd string guys. I am very disappointed with how much it cost to get him, as a player I hope he develops and I am hoping our NT looks as good as he did against the Cards all season.