chiefs vs seattle game chat

[Lord-Chiefy]

Ok boys game3. Hopefully we have a better showing and better ball control. Lets see if Bowe plays.

[matthewschiefs]

Pretty sure we will see Bowe at least some. But we are going to find out about this team tonight. Last week was a bad showing. Now it's time to see how they come back. I am looking forward to it. GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[okikcfan]

Cassel has to be consistent, Baldwin will have to do better. I am looking forward to seeing how we do tonight.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Little anticipation for a game that don't matter. We have a lot riding on how this team responds tonight. Injury free first and foremost, no timeouts called in first half for miscues and a solid effort across the board before Monday cutdowns.

[Yoda]

Of all the preseason games, the 3rd PSG is the only that has the best chance to give you any indication has to how prepared your team is for the RS. In fact, this is the one game they dress rehearse for as if it were a "real" RS game. 1st string usually plays all the 1st half and at times part of the 3rd.

[whackojacko58]

Whos at the game

[matthewschiefs]

Just about gametime GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brdempsey69]

Here we go. Let's go Chiefs, take it to them.

[matthewschiefs]

Not a good start at all

[brdempsey69]

Asamoah got beat for a sack.

[Lord-Chiefy]

any live feeds? other wise i have to wait till sunday 12am to watch

[AussieChiefsFan]

any live feeds? other wise i have to wait till sunday 12am to watch

Seattle Seahawks vs Kansas City Chiefs Live Stream Online (http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/137002/1/watch-seattle-seahawks-vs-kansas-city-chiefs.html)

[McLovin]

We are doomed without a real quarterback. If we bomb this year Cassel and Pioli (for sticking with his boy) gotta go.

[AussieChiefsFan]

ouch

[Miller]

They look lost too me.
come on guys!

[matthewschiefs]

WAY to many guys getting open we miss flowers BAD

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good stop!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Berry!

[matthewschiefs]

Good job holding them to 3

[AussieChiefsFan]

3-0 Seahawks

[Lord-Chiefy]

berry looking good.. fg hold..nice job

[brdempsey69]

Held them to 3. Chiefs Offense got to get it going.

[Miller]

Come on Offense. He come Bowe, see what he can do

[Lord-Chiefy]

bowe is in.....

[Miller]

Charles!!!!!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Cassel to Breaston. Good good.

[AussieChiefsFan]

The Beast has awoken!

[Lord-Chiefy]

12 yd charles/////nice cuts

[matthewschiefs]

CHARLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man it's nice to say that again

[McLovin]

Man Charles looks good.

[Lord-Chiefy]

only 3rd down was matts fault.. not a good series again.

[matthewschiefs]

The breaston drop killed that drive

[2010chiefs]

Offense not looking good. Not impressed with Cassel so far.

[matthewschiefs]

Should have stoped that play at the line missed a couple of tackles

[matthewschiefs]

Flowers please come back soon we really need you

[AussieChiefsFan]

Offense not looking good. Not impressed with Cassel so far.

In the series really only 3rd down was his fault

[Miller]

Wow that was a good catch. Chiefs are not getting pressure.

[Lord-Chiefy]

yea let carr go...real bright

[AussieChiefsFan]

We reallt need flowers back on the corner. Jalil Brown isnt great as a starting corner

[Miller]

Sack!!!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good play by jalil brown then. Theyre definately throwing to his sigde a lot

[matthewschiefs]

Sack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lord-Chiefy]

god bless DJ..

[Miller]

Jeez, I don't understand that. should have made a better throw, and Tony should have caught it

[AussieChiefsFan]

:beat_DeadHorse:

[Lord-Chiefy]

cassell is a dumb %$#%@^#

[McLovin]

Have I mentioned Cassel SUCKS

[Miller]

Thank God, the punter is good

[AussieChiefsFan]

good stop

[Lord-Chiefy]

our run game is non existant..except for 1 12 yd cut.

[2010chiefs]

WOW. Bad throw to Moeaki and then SACK. Looks a lot like last year.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Thank God, the punter is good

Yeah Dustin Colquitt is great!:bananen_smilies046:

[matthewschiefs]

WOW. Bad throw to Moeaki and then SACK. Looks a lot like last year.

It wasn't a great throw but Moeaki could have caught it there's blame to be placed on both same with the pass 2 Bowe could have been caught Cassel HAS to throw the ball away on that 3rd down play that's something He has never learned to do

[brdempsey69]

What the hell was Berry doing on that scramble?

[matthewschiefs]

The D has not looked good at all

[McLovin]

Wow just wow... looks an awful lot like 2011... emphesis on awful.

[matthewschiefs]

Sack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2010chiefs]

Are you kidding me. That wide open he needs to throw it on the numbers. No excuse.

[brdempsey69]

Jerrell Powe is looking VERY good. They better not let this guy go.

[matthewschiefs]

Are you kidding me. That wide open he needs to throw it on the numbers. No excuse.

So every pass has to be on the numbers? It was a catchable ball it should have been caught. It also should have been thrown better both guys are to blame

[AussieChiefsFan]

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[matthewschiefs]

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Clearly Cassels fault Bowe couldn't hold on. It's also his fault for the HOT summer Global warming and world hunger all Matt Cassel's fault

[Lord-Chiefy]

omg..i really hope we didnt blow our wad in the first game.

[brdempsey69]

Sh!tty play calling on that last Offensive series.

[2010chiefs]

Moeaki should have adjusted to the throw even though he's running full speed and wide open. Give me a break.

[matthewschiefs]

To easy for Wilson right now

[brdempsey69]

Poor Berry got flipped head over heals on that QB scramble.

[AussieChiefsFan]

oh god

[matthewschiefs]

Have I mentioned we miss Flowers

[brdempsey69]

Berry -- WTF??? COVER THE DAMN RECEIVER !!

[Lord-Chiefy]

nice..wide open td....i hope we are just playing bad to disguise our real team for the reg. season..:whipping1:

[matthewschiefs]

Moeaki should have adjusted to the throw even though he's running full speed and wide open. Give me a break.

Forgive me for thinking a starting NFL TE should catch a ball that hits him in the hands. Not every pass is going to be spot on it's WRS and TEs job to catch catchable passes Moeaki didn't do his job just like Cassel didn't do his. Both guys messed up

[2010chiefs]

Not catchable when your running full speed and it's overthrown. That's the differnece between Cassel and Top ten QB's. I really hope he proves me wrong though pal.

[matthewschiefs]

Damnit Cassel why did you make Charles drop that pass

[AussieChiefsFan]

First catch fot dwayne bowe! but a drop from charles, although there was a defnder right there maybe for the best

[brdempsey69]

Nice 3rd down throw to Dex.

[AussieChiefsFan]

McCluster!!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Chiefs rollin'

[matthewschiefs]

Finally some life

[AussieChiefsFan]

This is why I was annopyed when they made him RB!

[matthewschiefs]

I really don't know why we don't run the hurry up more it has been far better then the normal over the past few years

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good pass and good catch. It wont be overtuened

[2010chiefs]

I don't know if the left leg was in.

[Lord-Chiefy]

a fg against 2-3 stringers d doesnt impress me much.. i dont know what is happening, but its scary.

[AussieChiefsFan]

These replacement refs seem continuously nervous

[AussieChiefsFan]

Touchdown!!!!!!!!

[Lord-Chiefy]

wow cassell looked like a magician....nice td very nice

[matthewschiefs]

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice job by Cassel keeping it alive I guess him not throwing it away does work sometimes lol

[brdempsey69]

Nice play Cassel.

[matthewschiefs]

LOL Cassel after the touchdown

[2010chiefs]

Go Chiefs!!!

[AussieChiefsFan]

LOL Cassel after the touchdown

woops i missed it, what he do?

[matthewschiefs]

woops i missed it, what he do?

Tried to jump on I think breastons back and missed fell on the ground lol

[AussieChiefsFan]

Great job by the D!!

[matthewschiefs]

Finally a 3 and OUT

[Lord-Chiefy]

3 and out...wth is going on?? we woke up??

[AussieChiefsFan]

Tried to jump on I think breastons back and missed fell on the ground lol

oh lol
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and horrible penalty

[matthewschiefs]

UGGG stupid penaly

[brdempsey69]

Bad play by Hali.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good stop on first down. We gotta stop them getting more points. after the penalty

[matthewschiefs]

I think the thing that is the most clear about this half Flowers needs to get back

[AussieChiefsFan]

Bad play by Hali.

Although the wilson IS a lot shorter than hali, which doesnt help

[Lord-Chiefy]

omg..arenas are u for real?? wrap up its pop warner #1 rule.

[matthewschiefs]

Bad week for Hali

[AussieChiefsFan]

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[AussieChiefsFan]

Bad week for Hali

Also he kinda got held just then.

[Lord-Chiefy]

im officially sick to my stomach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

We are hurting ourselfs on both sides of the ball tonight not good

[Lord-Chiefy]

i say leave the starters in the whole game!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miller]

This Sucks!!!

[2010chiefs]

Defense looks awful today. Thats suppose to be our strength! WTH!!

[matthewschiefs]

If we didn't F up so much this game is a different game Offense wrs have dropped some balls Defense penalties and they have missed a number if tackles we are getting in our own way. But it's preseason still time to work out the bugs but that time is running out

[brdempsey69]

Face it. Seattle just flat out outplayed them. There were no turnovers & they flat out got smoked.

[Yoda]

I think the thing that is the most clear about this half Flowers needs to get back

Is Rout not holding his own. The guy is a student of the game and studied under Asomuagh. He should be solid at best.

[AussieChiefsFan]

The bad penalty and the missed tackle on the sideline....

[McLovin]

I think the thing that is the most clear about this half Flowers needs to get back

I think that the most clear thing about this is even a Rookie 3rd rounder is far better than Piolis golden boy Crapsel

[chief31]

I think that the most clear thing about this is even a Rookie 3rd rounder is far better than Piolis golden boy Crapsel

Yeah... He really should learn to cover better on D, and stop hitting his receivers in the hands.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Is Rout not holding his own. The guy is a student of the game and studied under Asomuagh. He should be solid at best.

I think its mostly Jalil Brown, he's basically a rookie and is not used to being on the outside. On the inside he's a decent player.

[matthewschiefs]

Is Rout not holding his own. The guy is a student of the game and studied under Asomuagh. He should be solid at best.

Rout is ok not great but he's not a #1 CB like Flowers.

[matthewschiefs]

Yeah... He really should learn to cover better on D, and stop hitting his receivers in the hands.

OH Come on don't you no it's Cassels job to Catch the ball for his WRs and TES

[brdempsey69]

Gotta give it to Russell Wilson. He has looked great, thus far in the preseason.

[McLovin]

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Can I put that in my signature lol, USC even knew enough to start Matt Leinhart ahead of him. I get losing to Carson Palmer but Leinhart wow this boy PLAYED Pioli.

[matthewschiefs]

Gotta give it to Russell Wilson. He has looked great, thus far in the preseason.

Yes he has he is playing for a job and it shows

[Yoda]

Rout is ok not great but he's not a #1 CB like Flowers.

That's what we saw here in Oakland last year, solid but not great. His best year was when he was teamed up with Namndi. Btw...if a rook is in at CB, any team would abuse him until the rook steps up.

[matthewschiefs]

Dorsey holding his knee just what we need

[Lord-Chiefy]

just great dorsey down now...what else can go wrong?

[brdempsey69]

Dorsey is hurt. Okung crushed him on that play.

[matthewschiefs]

WTF was that flag for

[matthewschiefs]

BS call there

[chief31]

OH Come on don't you no it's Cassels job to Catch the ball for his WRs and TES

Yeah. And all of his stupid penalties on top of that. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk....

[McLovin]

Man really disappointing to see the D being abused like this.

[Lord-Chiefy]

simply put..pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

seahawks can thank the refs for that one that PI call was HORRIBLE

[AussieChiefsFan]

McCluster!! That is all.

[2010chiefs]

Cassel still can't throw down field. What have they been working on. SAME OL CASSEL!

[matthewschiefs]

That play is all on cassel you can hate on him for that one

[McLovin]

That play is all on cassel you can hate on him for that one

And I was just getting ready to say at least he isnt turning it over.

[loyalchief91]

bad game

[matthewschiefs]

Need to put a ad in the paper help wanted defensive backs need to keep a eye on the guys that get cut they need help in that area

[McLovin]

Think there is any chance that the Seahawks will let this Wilson go and we can pick him up. Or hey we will trade you a Matt Cassel and a Brady Quinn plus throw in Terrance Copper for good measure.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Good connection with Moeaki!

[AussieChiefsFan]

Think there is any chance that the Seahawks will let this Wilson go and we can pick him up. Or hey we will trade you a Matt Cassel and a Brady Quinn plus throw in Terrance Copper for good measure.

Probably not. They only just drafted him and he might be their starter!

[matthewschiefs]

Think there is any chance that the Seahawks will let this Wilson go and we can pick him up. Or hey we will trade you a Matt Cassel and a Brady Quinn plus throw in Terrance Copper for good measure.

I think at this point they would be more willing to trade Flynn

[McLovin]

Why dont we go ahead and blame that on Boss ... yeah

[spiman]

:thumbdown: ITS pre-season -- Hope that effort tonight is Vanella..Damm Streamed that game was hard to watch-Yep gave up. Where did Weed Smiley GO? Night crowd.. gone

[matthewschiefs]

Horrible play by Cassel

[chief31]

Ouch.

[loyalchief91]

pick 6! I don't care if it's preseason. This is ****ing terrible as ****

[matthewschiefs]

Why dont we go ahead and blame that on Boss ... yeah

That ball didn't hit boss on the hands like some others that people have hated on Cassel did there's a difference

[AussieChiefsFan]

#(&*$%%@!$

[chief31]

:thumbdown: ITS pre-season -- Hope that effort tonight is Vanella..Damm Streamed that game was hard to watch-Yep gave up. Where did Weed Smiley GO? Night crowd.. gone

he made some.bad plays. How about if you at least try to pretend to love it?

[2010chiefs]

Anyone but Cassel. I say we go after Colt MCoy!

[matthewschiefs]

Anther drop but I'm sure that's Cassels fault to

[matthewschiefs]

Anyone but Cassel. I say we go after Colt MCoy!

Be careful what you ask for we asked for that last year and got Palko

[2010chiefs]

Another 5 yard pass from Cassel.

[McLovin]

I can say though one great thing about this game. I am sitting on my couch in my living room watching the Chiefs play and not paying Direct TV ... it is sooooo nice to be back in Missouri. I now live around 10 miles from the stadium will likely get to go to a couple games this year. Even a bad Chiefs game is far better than a good Bears game ... I don't miss Illinois.

[McLovin]

Wow they really looked bad on that coverage

[matthewschiefs]

So was that drop Quins Fault?

[AussieChiefsFan]

Just...Just......

[matthewschiefs]

That's just how tonight has gone. Romeo needs to really light some of these guys up this week

[loyalchief91]

what a joke of a team

[spiman]

he made some.bad plays. How about if you at least try to pretend to love it?
Allways :toast2: Bring on the Falcons Matty Ice I wanted him in a draft pick way back Look up old days here Miss em We were close,,To getting him

[McLovin]

That's just how tonight has gone. Romeo needs to really light some of these guys up this week

With as bad as this game has been all around he almost needs to cut a starter just to make the point that no one is safe.

[AussieChiefsFan]

I cant take this anymore..... out

[2010chiefs]

This is the result of losing Brandon Carr and having No starting QB competition!

[Sick Dog]

Well horrible all around but hey at least it does not count yet:bananen_smilies046:

[matthewschiefs]

Well horrible all around but hey at least it does not count yet:bananen_smilies046:

Very true people don't go overboard with getting upset you have to remember it's preseason things are far different the the real games this season is not over yet, showing where the weakness are cuts are this week I think we are going to see some CBs and DBs brought in we Need them badly and we need Flowers back badly. It's still not doom and gloom

[matthewschiefs]

When it's not your day it's not your day

[buffman316]

At least we still have fantasy football

[AussieChiefsFan]

When it's not your day it's not your day

and its not our day

[McLovin]

On the plus side at least Cleveland jumped ahead of us and took Quinn and we got Bowe way back when. Pretty sure otherwise we would have took Quinn.

[AussieChiefsFan]

On the plus side at least Cleveland jumped ahead of us and took Quinn and we got Bowe way back when. Pretty sure otherwise we would have took Quinn.

and now we have both!! yeah!!























:/

[matthewschiefs]

Can't think of a postive after this one disappointing effort on all accounts but they still have time to work it out

[Yoda]

I wouldn't through a fit over second and third string performance...but 1st string better look good in the 3rd preseason game. It's the best indicator of their readiness for the RS. That being said, Raiders' O looks crappy (except for DMC) so I am hoping for a solid showing. Ahem....I know you're not.

[matthewschiefs]

Well that helps at least

[AussieChiefsFan]

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[matthewschiefs]

I think the only good thing from tonight was that Bowe got a few plays

[nigeriannightmare]

What a brand new,offense isnt clicking on,all cylinders after 3 pre season games.....shocker. The defense iswhat shocks me. We keep giving up 3rd and longs, stupid penalties, poor tackling, blown,coverage, etc etc.

maybe,russel wilson is that good. Wow he looked great. Looks like mr flynn will be a backup again.

[McLovin]

I almost went to this game .. kinda glad I didn't. I know it is preseason but man that was ugly all around. Cant support that product by going to games. Even the news is talking about how ugly and hard to watch it was.

[matthewschiefs]

What a brand new,offense isnt clicking on,all cylinders after 3 pre season games.....shocker. The defense iswhat shocks me. We keep giving up 3rd and longs, stupid penalties, poor tackling, blown,coverage, etc etc.

maybe,russel wilson is that good. Wow he looked great. Looks like mr flynn will be a backup again.

I don't think he's THAT good he had more to play for then our D and it showed I think that's part of what happend we helped get Wilson there starting job at least to start the year.

[TopekaRoy]

Even a bad Chiefs game is far better than a good Bears game ... I don't miss Illinois.

HEY!
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/432/264/103741706_display_image.jpg?1286470846
We beat the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants 20-17 tonight and I didn't even play!

... my knee hurts.

[matthewschiefs]

lol you're in denial.


I have said it before and I'll say it again, we will go absolutely NOWHERE with Matt Cassel.

Stanford Routte who many on here said was a great alternative to Carr has looked absolutely horrible in camp and in the preseason. We have a weak defensive line, we have no one to control the middle.

He's had 3 preseason games so far don't make to much out of it

Oh and by the way have you noticed how Mccluster HAS been playing even with having Charles back?

[matthewschiefs]

He's looked awful and you know it. You know this team is in trouble, you're in denial. Trust me, come game time they will feed Charles the ball day and night. He is their only prayer


So your judgeing a guy before he even plays a real game yet? That's how far your going?

[matthewschiefs]

I'm just telling you, once hes matched up with julio jones or roddy white what do you think will happen?

I don't no what will happen when he has had 2 more weeks to pick up the defense hopefully we get flowers back that will help and when we start playing games that count we will actually see them plan for there opponent and not just go into the game wanting to work on a basic defense all that is a factor. And his deal is part of the reason they have preseason games so guys can get some time with there new teams to learn what that team does. I don't know if he will be good for this team just like you don't know he won't

[Sick Dog]

I will wait for real games before yelling the sky is falling...no game plan or studying of the opponent come on already they will be better and a lot are saying playoffs...whatever this talk happens every year at pre season and hey sometimes the talk is right but we don't know yet...it will be better than last year...I hate pre season...except for the fact that regular season follows

[2010chiefs]

Looks like tha same Matt Cassel of last year to me. The back ups look worse. I hope i'm wrong but based on this game i'm right!

[nigeriannightmare]

lol you're in denial.


I have said it before and I'll say it again, we will go absolutely NOWHERE with Matt Cassel. All he throws are flat passes, 5-7 comeback route and 7 yard out passes. What was that statistic? The statistic where he had the worst completion percentage as well as fewer attempts than anyone except for Tim Tebow with passes over 20 yards. You aren't goin to score a lot of points without big plays.

Stanford Routte who many on here said was a great alternative to Carr has looked absolutely horrible in camp and in the preseason. We have a weak defensive line, we have no one to control the middle.


not denial sir giving,the,team I cheer for the benefit of the doubt. Makes watching them more fun. But bash away MMO....its what,you are good at.

[Chiefster]

Boy the initial dip on this seasons roller coaster is a lulu!

[Yoda]

Wow......SMH....just wow....

[matthewschiefs]

This team isn't going anywhere with a qb who throws 4 yard routes. Flat pass, flat pass, 6 yard comeback route. That's all we see, dink and dunk, dink and dunk. He has the worst completion percentage and is second to only Tim Tebow in attempts more than 20 yards, without big plays we wont score many points. The sooner you understand this the less depressed you will be, then we can move on as a fan base.

You really think we are showing our whole playbook? Really? You also said Mccluster wouldn't play ummmm I think he has looked pretty good to me so far.

[nigeriannightmare]

This is what happens when we think pass first. Cassel struggles

You were high on matt flynn and the green bay connection. Dude is gonna be a backup and got paid.

Russel wilson is clearly the better qb.

[#58ChiefsFan]

2011 Chiefs Yakety Sax - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKSbIOgLiAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


That looked oddly familiar last night, we need to relax a little.
:lol: :chiefs:

[tornadospotter]

All I have to say about last nights game is, I do not care it is just preseason. It was a sucky performance of vanilla offense and defense! Cassel did not preform well.

[matthewschiefs]

This is what happens when we think pass first. Cassel struggles

It's also what happens when guys are dropping passes that hit them in the hands the run game is not going good you don't get much from your defense you don't really use your real playbook all that much you don't game plan for your oppenet much It's not just Cassel struggled the whole team did Cassel included strange how you get on Cassel for his screw ups but don't get on the defense don't get on the guys who are dropping passes all you can do is jump all over Cassel

[matthewschiefs]

Matt you know he isn't good. You know when we are pass first we struggle, you know that all he can throw are the 5-7 yard flat passes and comeback routes. It's never a big time 35-40 yard post pattern, and if he does look good it's usually against a weak team or his stats are something like 13 completions for 75 yards. The rookie from seattle in his first start came out throwing the ball 40 yards down field.

Don't act like this isnt a common theme with Cassel, we have seen it all of the time, he has games where he sometimes barely breaks the 100 yard mark, how anyone can watch him go out, dink and dunk to the flats and think he is a franchise qb is beyond me.

I don't no he's not any good. You see unlike you I am not judgeing what he does in THIS offense before he plays 1 REAL snap. All you can do is say Cassel sucks but look at what happend last night. Cassel didn't play well I grant you that BUT there were times he was throwing balls that should have been caught that weren't Why don't you talk about those? Why is it you only bash Cassel? Why is it that we were to ignore the first preseason game that went well because it's preseaon but you sure want to count the last 2? IT'S PRESEASON we are not showing our full playbook we are not showing everything. So far Cassel has more tds and less turnovers then Manning in this preseason so Cassel's better then Manning? Of course not IT'S PRESEASON the reason they play these games is to get back in rythem that's what they are doing. I don't know what Cassel is going to do this year and neither do you.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Also I might add that Cassel played very well in the first two preseason games. He had a 114 passer rating too.

[Lord-Chiefy]

It didn't help that our run game was so lacking. Matt made some absolately great plays and some absolutely bone head plays. Seems to be a rhythm for Matt. He's not a rookie anymore!

[McLovin]

I don't no he's not any good. ~~~ I don't know what Cassel is going to do this year and neither do you.

First if you don't know that Cassel sucks you have obviously never seen him play. We didn't show any promise at all last year till he got hurt.

Second I do know what Cassel is going to do this year he is going to dink and dunk like always. When the opposing team knows all they have to defend is 10 yards it makes their job very easy and allows them to stay close to defend the run. We need to open the field up but that will never happen with Matt Cassel under center. I would like to have seen more for Alex Tanney this offseason but Pioli didn't bet his career on Tanney so guess he will have to sit with his rocket pinpoint accurate arm. When this team doesn't make the playoffs behind Matt Cassel then I think both Cassel and Pioli for standing behind him should both be gone.

Oh and last night there were a lot of dropped passes, there were a lot of horrible plays from the defense but Cassel showed if anything he isn't anything other then a game manager and can't step up and be a leader. This team needs a real QB.

[matthewschiefs]

First if you don't know that Cassel sucks you have obviously never seen him play. We didn't show any promise at all last year till he got hurt.

UMMMM What promise was shown after he got hurt? We were 1 game below .500 With him we were 1 game below without him Where is this promise that was shown?


Second I do know what Cassel is going to do this year he is going to dink and dunk like always. When the opposing team knows all they have to defend is 10 yards it makes their job very easy and allows them to stay close to defend the run. We need to open the field up but that will never happen with Matt Cassel under center. I would like to have seen more for Alex Tanney this offseason but Pioli didn't bet his career on Tanney so guess he will have to sit with his rocket pinpoint accurate arm. When this team doesn't make the playoffs behind Matt Cassel then I think both Cassel and Pioli for standing behind him should both be gone.

So you went into the future saw this season and saw this whole new offense? Did you happen to pick up any of the winning lottery numbers while you where there that you can share?


Oh and last night there were a lot of dropped passes, there were a lot of horrible plays from the defense but Cassel showed if anything he isn't anything other then a game manager and can't step up and be a leader. This team needs a real QB.

Then why don't you call the guys out who dropped the passes instead of Cassel? Maybe just maybe the dropped passes had something to do with why the offense couldn't get going? Instead you just say what we need is a real QB. If we got Peyton and the guys were dropping passes for him to would that be his fault to? Blaming Cassel for the offense is just not fair. He made his share of mistakes last night but he was not alone. Call out the whole offense not just 1 guy.

[chief31]

Pioli is basically resting his legacy on a so far mediocre qb. Its one thing to make a mistake. It's another to arrogantly defend your mistake.

What's compelling about russell Wilson is NOT that he is a lower drafted qb the chiefs passed up, as much as it is that the Seahawks made a move for Matt Flynn and still drafted a rookie and still gave that rookie a chance to win the starting job.

Pioli took 5 years to draft a fifth rounder. And he declared his starter before the preseason even started.

Why don't you just take the year off?

Pioli Jen't leaving this year, and neither is Matt Cassel. So why torture yourself with this agony?

[brdempsey69]

My take on this game is although it was a disaster, I hope the Chiefs will keep pressing forward & don't quit or give up.

The Giants proved last year the reward that comes when you hang in there. They were 2-2 in the preseason, had a 4 game losing streak, and finished 9-7 which was just good enough to win the division.

But they brought home the Lombardi trophy when it was all said and done, and I'm not comparing Cassel to Eli Manning. I'm just saying as a team, they should not throw in the towel -- EVER !!!

[Sick Dog]

Here is the one positive for everyone this year...

All questions on Cassel's ability to take this team any where will be answered because there will be no excuses with what he has to work with and Pioli's hand will be forced to make a change if he does not produce...but remember he had a pro bowl year 2010 season with less weapons and I see him having a better year this year with this offense...:beat_DeadHorse:

[#58ChiefsFan]

He had a 2010 pro bowl year against a bunch of scrubs and had one of the worst ypg in the league despite being ranked 16th in attempts. (Flat Passes)

I am wondering what keeps you attached to this team? You seem to be full of negativity twords anything that this organization does.

[matthewschiefs]

He had a 2010 pro bowl year against a bunch of scrubs and had one of the worst ypg in the league despite being ranked 16th in attempts. (Flat Passes)

Those scrubs beat Peyton Manning,Drew Brees twice,Phillp Rivers twice or did that not happen either since it doesn't support your opinion?

[nigeriannightmare]

I love the Chiefs, i don't like Pioli. Pioli starts the season saying there will be qb competition and then what happens? Absolutely nothing. Pioli is going down with the ship, the ship that is Matt "Dink and dunk" Cassel.

This comment is amazing to me. We have done nothing but improve our roster with quality and depth. We are the YOUNGEST TEAM in the nfl. We will be competitive as any team in the league. Ur right that guy,sucks. Oh he,didnt draft bj raji the nfls worst rated DT on the nfls worst defense oh and he didnt draft a 4-3 DE in brian orakpo when we run a 3-4......yes we get it you hate two guys who arent going anywhere.

Dont understand the logic. Your disdain for two guys whom you, have no control over is amusing. Im sure when we win the division it will be because we played the cleveland browns,fifteen times in a row.

[matthewschiefs]

I love the Chiefs, i don't like Pioli. Pioli starts the season saying there will be qb competition and then what happens? Absolutely nothing. Pioli is going down with the ship, the ship that is Matt "Dink and dunk" Cassel.

Or maybe just maybe Cassel won the job. So far from what I have seen out of the QBs Cassel has been the number 1

And what is with you and the going down with the ship Even if Cassel doesn't work out Pioli has done enough to keep his job with Berry,Mccluster,Houston,Succop ECT He has done a much better job then the former GM of this team was doing just look at the records from 2-14 to 7-9 without 3 of out best players most of the year.


Keep holding onto that 2010 season where he played very conservative, although he did make good decisions inside the red zone I will give him credit. The only problem with Cassel is you need to make some throws down the field to actually get there, especially against teams like the Ravens.

And you keep ignoreing anything good that Cassel has done and Pioli has done and keep only looking at the bad. If those "creampuffs, Scrubs" were so easy to beat then why did Manning,Brees,Rivers lose if the horrible Cassel could beat them? If your going to be a tell it like it is fan then do just that don't just say the good things don't matter

[matthewschiefs]

Carl Peterson's first year he turned a 4-11-1 team into 8-7. Yeah Pioli has just done a great job, we look so good this year and last.


What has Cassel done? That one year he made good decisions inside the red zone which I gave him credit for.

If you still think Cassel is our guy then you must be blind. The flat passes, the dink and dunk routes make me sick, and they should make you sick as well, the good thing is this, Cassel will be gone soon after this awful year. And then after that, Pioli will soon follow. Then we can get a clean break and start over. Get someone in here who can analyze the quarterback position, because that is something Scott Pioli obviously can't do.

No one can honestly look at this guys stats, the 90 yard passing games and actually think he is a franchise qb. Matt I like you, but you will soon find out how wrong you are.

When have you EVER given him credit for 2010? 99% of what you have said is "creampuffs" you have said it OVER and OVER again that's not giving him credit.

I have not once said Cassel is clearly the guy I have not even once said he is really good. What I have said is that everything is not his fault and that I don't know what he's going to do with this new offense this new head coach and no one does. Preseasons games are not fair to judge off of which you were all willing to say after the 1st game. Now you want to look at Preseason and say I told you so. Well Which is it? You change you opinion one what counts when it suits you. If preseason doesn't count like you were willing to say after week 1 then it doesn't count if it does in your eyes then why didn't you give him any credit for the first game? You are not fair in your evluation of Cassel. If you hate the guy just say it. But don't try to be the tell it like it is fan if your not going to be fair. If your going to call Cassel out for his screw up fine but call the others out when a guy drops a ball instead of blameing Cassel blame the guy who dropped the ball. The only real problem I have with you is you have one set of rules when things go well and a completly different when things go wrong. Pick a set and stick with it.

[BoltWalt]

Those scrubs beat Peyton Manning,Drew Brees twice,Phillp Rivers twice or did that not happen either since it doesn't support your opinion?
EXCUSE ME, the 2010 chiefs did not beat Philip Rivers twice. Go check your facts, the Chiefs won the Monday Night game to start the season off, then were shut out by the Bolts in week 14 31-0.
:efpge:

[matthewschiefs]

EXCUSE ME, the 2010 chiefs did not beat Philip Rivers twice. Go check your facts, the Chiefs won the Monday Night game to start the season off, then were shut out by the Bolts in week 14 31-0.
:efpge:

I am not saying we won twice just that teams we beat went on to beat the Bolts twice

[matthewschiefs]

I dislike him because he isn't good. I am not making my judgement off the seattle game, but the fact that we are 3-16 when we throw more than we run. We threw more than we run in the Seattle game and look what happened. He isn't a quarterback we can win with, if we don't have JC we dont have a prayer at scoring any points on offense, but this year is his judgement year, if he doesnt play well he's gone, then what do we do? Start Stanzi?

So that 3-16 was with this head coach and this OC with this Group of players? This is a WHOLE new team maybe just maybe that will help Cassel you don't know that it won't just like I don't know it if will.

And just because we lose a game because we throw more doesn't mean it's Cassel's fault we are losing I will give a recent example. Last weeks Rams loss the Rams get the ball boom go right down and score we get the ball back Cassel throws a pass caught by Baldwin he fumbles rams get it boom score again right away suddenly it's 14-0 and we are playing catchup. Then someone else I don't recall who fumbles D can't stop them again and boom we are losing big time. Where is Cassel at fault for that? Was Cassel suddenly put in on defense and the one getting burnt for Tds? Of course not. Did Cassel force Baldwin to fumble and whoever else it was to fumble and give the ball to the Rams? Of course not. Others were not doing there job the D and the guys who fumbled. That's why we lost it wasn't on Cassel. It's not Cassel is 3-16 it's the Chiefs are. Cassel is a part of that but he is not the reason we are 3-16 in that case alone. IF your going to call Cassel out for his screw ups fine that's fair. I will as well. But I won't put all the blame on him and when someone else screws up I will also call them out. Why can't you do the same instead of saying If we had a good QB? Others play a factor in the losses to. Sometimes a MUCH bigger role then Cassel played in the loss.

[#58ChiefsFan]

I dislike him because he isn't good. I am not making my judgement off the seattle game, but the fact that we are 3-16 when we throw more than we run. We threw more than we run in the Seattle game and look what happened. He isn't a quarterback we can win with, if we don't have JC we dont have a prayer at scoring any points on offense, but this year is his judgement year, if he doesnt play well he's gone, then what do we do? Start Stanzi?

Peyton Hillis is more than capable of shouldering the load if god forbid Charles has to sit out.

With the big "decision" coming Monday I'd just about guarantee you Quinn is the primary backup. There is little hope for stanzination in Missouri.

[Sick Dog]

Man oh man you are painful so negative...this is the time to be positive until the roof caves in...Orton plays for the Cowboys just in case you didn't know and he has never done ****...why don't you just shut it until this plays out and then you can go off when it is justified for now be quiet:efpge:

[chief31]

Cassel cant sit back in shotgun and move the ball, you and I both know this. He relies on short passes and having quick rb to make plays, its never a throw into a tight window for a 25 yard completion, if he does go deep it's usually when the WR is absolutely wide open. Don't drink the Cassel/Pioli Kool Aid Matt.

The fact is we have plenty of talent around for a qb to succeed, and we see the same results, the same dinky passes to the flats.
I haven't seen a single real game yet. Just some practice games.

That... And a "Chiefs fan" who seems awfully fond of The Raiders and The Broncos, while hating on The Chiefs more than any Raiders fan can.

You really are on the wrong website here, Mr Orton.

[matthewschiefs]

Cassel cant sit back in shotgun and move the ball, you and I both know this. He relies on short passes and having quick rb to make plays, its never a throw into a tight window for a 25 yard completion, if he does go deep it's usually when the WR is absolutely wide open. Don't drink the Cassel/Pioli Kool Aid Matt.

The fact is we have plenty of talent around for a qb to succeed, and we see the same results, the same dinky passes to the flats.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN 1 GAME YET. All we saw were PRESEAON games. You yourself have said they don't matter so when have we yet seen results? We have not seen 1 REAL snap with this offense on THIS TEAM. Waiting to see 1 REAL snap before you judge is not drinking the kool aid it's called being fair. Something You refuse to do. You don't want to give him a chance. Just admit that you don't like Cassel and you won't even give him a shot. No matter what he does he will never please you. Just admit it.

[matthewschiefs]

Matt you need to admit hes a dink and dunk passer and that is not going to get it done against teams like Baltimore. I have watched him for 2.5 seasons. Cassel lacks deep passing ability, big plays get you points. Remember the Carson Palmer bomb that set the Raiders up for a game winning field goal?

Last year, Cassel completed only 8 of 38 (21%) passes that traveled over 20 yards. The leader in that category was Eli Manning who won the sb!

I won't say anything more about it, I won't talk about it. I just have absolutely no faith in him. I don't hate him because he is Matt Cassel, I hate him because he isn't capable. He sounds like a very nice guy off the field, a family man and doesn't get in trouble. Succeed please, but I have my doubts, we will play the backups for GB on thursday and hopefully that can give him some confidence.

Having doubts is one thing. Saying he's not capable of doing something before you see him take one snap in a real game in a brand new offense with a brand new head coach and Oc is anther. I have doubts about Cassel. I'm not a huge Cassel fan. But he's a Chiefs player and we as fans owe it to him to be fair. Last year he 8 for 38 in Last years offense. Maybe this offense is better for him and he will improve in that. Will he I don't no Could he YES he could. It's possible. All I have said this whole offseason is not to place all the blame on Cassel and before we say he's not the guy in this offense lets give it a chance. If he sucks week 1 bash him fine no problem I'll be bashing him to if that's the case but not until then. What's so hard about giving him a chance before we declare he is not capable to do something with this offense. Sometimes a guy isn't the right fit with one coach look at basketball Michael Jordan never won a ring before Phil Jackson got to Chicago. Maybe this coaching staff is better for Cassel and he will be better because of it. You just never know.

[tornadospotter]

Week one my friends, let us get to week one. Let us go from there, the real season.:chiefs:

[Connie Jo]

Damnit Cassel why did you make Charles drop that pass

:lol:

[Connie Jo]

I was at the game. Moeaki, Bowe, & Charles all missed make able catches. Cassel can't do it alone, no QB can, but for some reason Cassel continues to take the fall receiving most of the blame by some fans. A QB often must throw a pass intentionally off a bit in tight coverage to avoid interception. He expects his receiver to do his part putting forth extra effort to make the catch.

The defense overall failed, the o-line was also weak often, and special teams wasn't great either. There were make able catches missed/dropped, missed tackles, too many holes, poor coverage of opposing players, & more mistakes. A QB as team leader often attempts to make up for other players inadequacies or mistakes, as such, he typically makes mistakes himself feeling pressured to make something happen when significantly trailing.

The game to Seattle was lost by the team, including coaches since they too are team members. No one player is at fault for losing the game, the team is at fault.

It was a pre-season game, a practice game for evaluation purposes of the team & individual players. Crennel & asst. coaches aren't going to open up the playbook in a pre-season game. I also speculate the players weren't giving their best in an attempt to avoid injury in pre-season. Just sayin!

GO CHIEFS!!!

[jason1981]

I dont like cassel either. Were going to have teams stack 8 in the box cuz we cant throw deep. Were a dink and dunk team. Not saying we cant win like that but it does make.it harder to win. I dont even think the coaches think he can throw deep cuz there hasnt been much plays called for going deep either.

[2010chiefs]

I saw Cassel react much the same like he did last year when theirs pressure. He panics and throws inaccurate short passes. He gets frustrated easily and makes bad decisions. That's what I remember from last year and what I saw against Seattle. He needs to get it together quick or they need to replace him justy as quick! That's why they needed real starting QB competition. GO CHIEFS!

[matthewschiefs]

So whenever Matt Cassel sucks its the WR fault, gotcha. I mean it couldn't be that Cassel sucks, it just couldn't. Pioliites could never say something like that.

The 4 straight possessions where we punted didn't have anything to do with him, neither did the fumble in the second half and thten the pick 6. Nope, not his fault

NO ONE on this site has ever said Cassel is blameless. NO ONE. When Cassel threw the pick 6 this was my post

Horrible play by Cassel

You're missing the point of the post. Not I or Connie Jo has said Cassel is blamess But whenever he screws up EVERYONE jumps all over him. OK fine I do it to. I get on him as well as noted in my post but where is it for everyone else. Case in point Tony M misses a pass now the pass might not have been perfect but the ball hit him in the hands. Does anyone Get on Tony M no. Not every pass is going to be right on. Tony Missed a play yet all people can do is jump on Cassel. That's the point of what she was saying. It's fine to call Cassel out no problem but don't only call him out. Call the others out. Why didn't you call Baldwin out for his fumble last week that really hurt? Why didn't you call Bowe,Breaston,Moaki out for there drops this week? Or the defense the last couple of weeks for looking bad? Why is it all you can do is call Cassel out? It's unfair to Cassel to do so. Cassel has looked ok for the most part in this preseason yet all some can do is say damn that Cassel. Either just admit that you hate Cassel and don't want him to do well. Or just be fair. Call people out as strong as you do Cassel when others screw up.

[matthewschiefs]

Matt did you not read the above post? She blames everyone except the qb.

Yes I did read the post did you? In it she said THE TEAM is to blame for the loss. Everyone was bashing Cassel she didn't need to add to it it was already done. She just pointed out the other mistakes outside of Cassel And then said THE TEAM (last i checked Cassel is part of the team) is the reason they lost. Now why can't you call out the guys who she listed that made mistakes like you do Cassel?

[matthewschiefs]

Matt she talked negatively about all aspects of the team except the qb.

So you have a problem with her leaving one person out but you leave out everyone BUT the qb. NOT ONCE have you got on Bowe,Breaston,Moaki for there drops Where is your bashing the defensive players? Again she only added to the conversation what wasn't there for the most part. There were pleanty of people getting on Cassel myself included why does she have to add anther? Instead she was one of the few that called out the others. I think Connie Jo would tell you Cassel wasn't perfect. And again she blamed THE TEAM last I checked and correct me if I'm wrong the QB spot is part of the TEAM

[matthewschiefs]

Yes, because no matter what happens. No matter if we go 6-10 this year people that are Scott Pioli supporters will never admit 2 things:

-Scott Pioli has made a bad decision in regards to the qb position

-Matt Cassel is not the qb for this team


It will never happen. It is ALWAYS somebody elses fault. Let me tell you something about Bowe and Charles, if we didnt have them Cassel would not do ANYTHING in the regular season. Bowe was a thousand yard receiver before Cassel got here and we have seen what Cassel does without JC, we saw it last year. He looks completely lost.

Why can't pro Pioli supporters admit the fumble was Cassel's fault? The pick 6? Those weren't his fault? Why doesn't anyone mention those? Those were HUGE plays.



Cassel just hasn't learned when to throw it away


Horrible play by Cassel


That play is all on cassel you can hate on him for that one


Just a few of the times I HAVE called out Cassel Can you show me where you have called out the others?

AGAIN NO ONE has said Cassel is blameless WE DO BLAME CASSEL but we also call out the others when they screw up something you don't like to do with any one but Cassel

[matthewschiefs]

Do I really need to look up all of the posts I made about Scott Pioli and his draft choices?

No you already have made it clear you don't like Pioli either. You won't give him credit for any draft choice that has worked out besides berry. You declared that Mccluster isn't good because for some reason he won't play now that Charles is back yet you ignore that he has played this preseason and has done well. Pioli and Cassel are 2 that you will never give a fair shake


That post above was not directed at you Matt, it really wasn't. I like you. More for Chief 31 and Connie Jo, could also throw Nigerian Nightmare in there as well.

I no the post might not have been at me but I also no where the ones you mentioned come from. They like myself see everyone willing to jump on Cassel. Why repeat what others have already said over and over again. Instead like myself they are calling out the others who screwed up. When Bowe drops a pass they don't say DAMN THAT CASSEL they say DAMN THE BOWE. Same with Baldwin,Breaston,Moaki. Or when the defense comes out and stinks up the joint and we get behind and have to throw more to catch up we don't just say look we had to throw more then pass so that's why we lost. We say The defense had a big part of why we lost. That's just something you have not yet been willing to do. Instead you say Cassel is the problem when there are many more who have been a problem then Cassel.

[matthewschiefs]

But you need to realize EVERY TEAM drops passes. It happens to absolutely every quarterback, it's not like Cassel is the only QB in the league that has passes dropped. Remember last year? We were way down the list in that category.
And is it the other teams QBS fault when those passes are dropped? Or when the others teams have games where there defense stink up the joint is it the others teams QB fault that they lost? Or is that just the rule with Cassel.


I have said Mccluster is good, I was just worried about him getting playing time because of Jamaal Charles, another speed back. I still worry about Mccluster getting playing time due to Breaston most likely going back to the slot position if Baldwin starts on the outside.

Mccluster showed last year he's a weapon THEY WILL GET HIM THE BALL SOME. Do you really think our coaching staff is so stupid they are not going to use a big weapon that Mccluster was last year? He might get the ball 20 times a game but he will get the ball. They will use him. Face it so far he has been a good pick.


I have a gripe with Pioli, I thought he was a drafting genius when Clark hired him, but in the 3 drafts he has had he has drafted 1 all pro. He paid Cassel at that time a ton and signed him to a lengthy deal. He waited 3 seasons to have any kind of alternative to Matt Cassel, then following last year he promised "Qb Competition." Have we had any qb competition? Whatever happened wtih that?

Maybe if you gave those players a chance to develop they will become good players. They are all still pretty young. Moaki had a better rookie season then the best TE to ever play the game did. Maybe he can still be good. That's the problem with your outlook you look at just the here and now you won't even give things a chance.

As for the QB competition Prove to me there was no competition. How do you no? Maybe they had one and Cassel won? Could that be possible?? So far I have to say I have agreed with our QB order. Cassel has looked ahead of the others. Maybe just maybe there was a competition and Cassel earned the job. Just because the guy you wanted to win doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[matthewschiefs]

Cmon Matt, dont play dumb here. You and I both know Cassel was going to be the starter out of quinn and Stanzi. A blind man would know that.

Matt Cassel gets support from Chiefs GM Piolil - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829293dd/article/matt-cassel-gets-support-from-chiefs-gm-piolil)

And by the way, I dont know if I would want Quinn or Stanzi to start ahead of Cassel.

Then what are you complaining about? Of the Qbs we have Cassel seems to be the choice.

And I don't no if you remember this or not we were going after Manning. Manning told us no and didn't really even want to talk to us. It's not like we didn't try to bring others in.

[matthewschiefs]

Well I wanted competition, I wanted us to bring in Orton or some other qb to compete for the starting job.

Let's come to an agreement Matthew, shall we? If the Chiefs go 6-10 or around there, will you atleast admit that we aren't on the right track as far as personnel is concerned? Will you admit that it's time we start thinking of another gm other than Scott Pioli? A shift in power? A change at qb.

Because If we do win the division, and I mean really win the division, I don't mean every qb in our division gets hurt and we somehow win it with a 7-9 record, but if we really win the division I will admit that Scott Pioli should be our GM of the future. And not only that, I will write a letter of apology to this board.

Is that a deal?


I don't know. It all depends on what all goes into it. If we were to go 6-10 but have a top 10 offense but the defense struggles would getting rid of Cassel be the answer? It all depends on what happens. If we go 6-10 and Cassel struggles your darn right I will want a change.

As for Pioli Again I don't know what goes into why we went 6-10 did we lose a number of key players before 25% of the season is over? Pioli has greatly improved this team since he took over. Do you remember what this team looked like in 08? I really don't see any reason to bash or be down on him.

[matthewschiefs]

Because the reason is this. If cassel does not play well this year, what other option do we have? I am telling you, he is not going to draft a qb because he only has another year or 2 after this year, so his time is limited as a gm. Since his time is limited he will not go and get a qb through the draft. If it's not Cassel it will be Stanzi, that's why I feel we are in big big trouble with Scott Pioli.


What's your thinking here. If Cassel were to struggle and that's an If you don't think Pioli would try to get anther qb? I don't understand that at all. I think he would do his best to try to get anther hell he tried this year. I just don't understand your thinking here

[matthewschiefs]

No I dont, when have we traded for any players? What veteran can we get that will be a FA? It's cassel or stanzi. He tried to get a qb this year? When?

UMMMM they flew down to Miami after Peyton. They even admitted so. I really don't think if Cassel doesn't do well Pioli will just say well I give up. I think he will try to get someone or will draft a qb. I really don't see him just sticking with what he has

[jap1]

Matt he is the most conservative GM in the league. What player has he traded for besides the 2 that came with him from New England? There havn't been any. If cassel doesn't do well I expect Pioli to put even more players around him, I really dont think he will trade for someone else, why would he? He hasn't done so in the past. After Orton did a solid job he didn't even bother trying to bring him back.


If he were to go out and get someone, who would it be? And why should I believe that he would actively pursue a starting qb? Because there is no evidence of it in the past.

I think that your criticism of Pioli is a little too harsh. I agree that if Cassel struggles this year, we need to look elsewhere (assuming there arent major injuries or other problems on the offense, but even then he has a very short leash in my book). However, even if I thought he was horrible, what other options have there been? What QB would we have been able to trade for or pickup in free agency? When was the last time a legit QB that wasnt over the hill changed teams in a trade in the NFL?

I think Pioli now realizes that Cassel wasn't the automatic star QB that he thought he was getting, hence the interest in Manning and saying they wanted a QB competition (which never happened because there wasn't anyone to compete with). But other than Manning, or drafting a QB, there hasn't been anyone that would have been a legitimate upgrade over Cassel. Even in the draft, there hasnt been anyone outstanding that is available. If you go back and look at the last couple of drafts and when we have picked, who has been available that would have been an improvement? I guess we could have traded up to get someone, but personally I'm not a fan of packaging a lot of picks to move up unless you have a pretty well rounded team (which i think we now have, so I wouldn't mind doing if necessary at the end of this year).

I think Pioli has done the right thing that you should do when you have an average QB and there arent any stars available - build a well rounded team around an average QB. Hopefully, Cassel will show that he is above average this year.

[matthewschiefs]

Matt he is the most conservative GM in the league. What player has he traded for besides the 2 that came with him from New England? There havn't been any. If cassel doesn't do well I expect Pioli to put even more players around him, I really dont think he will trade for someone else, why would he? He hasn't done so in the past. After Orton did a solid job he didn't even bother trying to bring him back.


If he were to go out and get someone, who would it be? And why should I believe that he would actively pursue a starting qb? Because there is no evidence of it in the past.

Pioli brought Randy Moss to the pats when everyone thought he was done after his days in Oakland. This year he got one of the top O line men on the market and went after the big name QB on the market. What's so conservative about that?

I don't know why you think Orton was so great. Yes he was the QB when we beat the Packers. But he put up less then what they averaged giving up. He put up 19 they averaged giving up 22 points. You point out the weak teams Cassel won against but when Orton beats one of the worst defenses in the NFL you don't even mention that. In the following 2 weeks Orton put up a grand total of 20 points in those 2 games. For a grand total of an average of 10 points per game. Again less then what we averaged scoring as we averaged 13 so what was so great about Orton that Pioli should have jumped all over himself to bring him back? In the games Cassel played we averaged scoring 15 points a game Ortons 13 per game why should they have dumped Cassel for Orton given that????????????????

[#58ChiefsFan]

He was better than Cassel when they were both on the same team

Not exactly

There was a little change in the coaching, kinda went under the radar IIRC

[#58ChiefsFan]

He had the same offensive line, WR, OC. He also practiced for about 10 days before he started playing games for us

If you're willing to ignore the fact that Haley was no longer involved in the three stooges skit that was the offense last year, then live in your own reality, I'm not going to entertain you the way Matt does.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Yep nothing changed between 2010 and 2011 except Muir took over for Weis, EVERYTHING else remained EXACTLY the same. I see where your coming from now.

Cassel sucks
Pioli sucks
We're going 6-10 on dink and dunk passes

Now we're on the same page.

[matthewschiefs]

He was better than Cassel when they were both on the same team

Based on what? Cassel put up 2 points more a game then Orton did. What about that shows that Orton is better? 13 points per game is better then 15? Since when. Show me something that shows Orton was better

[jap1]

He had the same offensive line, WR, OC. He also practiced for about 10 days before he started playing games for us

I would disagree that we had the same OC. On paper, the title was the same, but we all know Haley had a big hand in the offense and was changing the plays. The playcalling was very different when Haley was gone.

Regarding Orton, we dont know how hard Pioli tried to get him to stay in KC. Also, if I recall what I have heard about him correctly, he doesnt work very hard and doesnt have a whole lot of leadership traits. He would have been a lateral move.

Other than Orton (and lets agree to disagree on whether we, who has been available since after we got Cassel that would have been worth picking up?

[chief31]

he made some.bad plays. How about if you at least try to pretend to love it?


Do I really need to look up all of the posts I made about Scott Pioli and his draft choices?

That post above was not directed at you Matt, it really wasn't. I like you. More for Chief 31 and Connie Jo, could also throw Nigerian Nightmare in there as well.

Yeah. Because I don't harp on it does't somehow.alter reality and eliminate what I did say.

Now..... Having been exposed, twice, as having been wrong about the bias of others, are you ready to admit that maybe it.is actually you who is on the irrational end of this discussion?

NAH!!!! Embracing reality is for suckers.

[chief31]

Its crazy how i bring up the proper statistics and show you all of the evidence on how he isn't the right guy for a team that wants to do well and you still ignore it. Like the stats above, all of those stats arent good enough to show you the way.

But don't worry, you will have your chance to show me what he can do this year. It's put up or shut up time with your boy Pioli and Cassel, and I have this hunch that you are worried.

You better hope I am not right this year about the 6-10/7-9 record, cause it will be one of the biggest pwnds any forum has ever seen.
NICE!!!!!

Just like a real man, don't ever even think about dealing.in reality. Whenever you are exposed as being flat out wrong, just ignore it and quickly change the subject.

[chief31]

I am a realist, I see things as they are, you will get your chance to prove me wrong this year Chief 31. Be ready. Like I said, if I am wrong i will write a letter of apology to the board, but it's not going to happen.


I still dont know what i was wrong about.

You tried calling out Matthew as having never said Cassel did poorly, and when he proved you wrong, you just moved right along and tried to say you didn't mean him, but me. Then I showed that you were wrong...... Again.... And you can'see it.

You never will see.your own mistakes.

[jap1]

Off of the top of my head Michael Vick, Andy dalton, Matt Hasselbeck

Michael Vick was only available after he was released from prison after not playing for what 2 years? Even then, in the offseason he wasnt able to beat out Kolb for a starting spot until Kolb was injured. And while Kolb was injured it took a couple awesome games for him to get the nod as the new starting QB. If we took Vick and expected him to be our QBOTF, when he hadnt played for 2 years, or even been in a professional workout program, I would have said Pioli was an idiot.

Andy Dalton hasnt impressed me a whole lot. I konw he made the pro bowl, but I think it was because a couple other QBs dropped out because of injury/playing in the superbowl (much like Matt Cassel did in 2010). I would say that right now he is probably equal to Cassel. He may have an upside since he is young and is still improving, though.

Matt Hasselbeck is over the hill and cannot stay healthy. He wasnt able to win the starting job over Jake Locker. He has been washed up for a few years now. Behind our OL a couple years ago he would have been turned into hamburger.

Thats just my opinion.

[matthewschiefs]

I am a realist, I see things as they are, you will get your chance to prove me wrong this year Chief 31. Be ready. Like I said, if I am wrong i will write a letter of apology to the board, but it's not going to happen.


I still dont know what i was wrong about.

A Realist I'm sorry I don't think so. You have your opinions and I'll hand it to you your opinions are strong and you stick with them but you don't look or include all the facts in those opinions. I will give you an example.

2010 when that has been brought up you mention that Cassel went against weak teams. You have said that over and over again. That's you opinion and I can respect it. But then Orton is the QB goes against one of the worst Defenses in the NFL in the packers a year ago as they were ranked dead last in total team defense
2011 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense)
Do you brush that off as going against a weak team? No you say "he led us to out biggest win in 20 years" Even when he put up below what that defense averaged giving up. Do you not see a problem with that? You changed your standards. For Cassel you want to see it against top teams. For Orton doing it against the last ranked defense is good enough. You think that's being a realist? If you would just admit Hey I have it out for Cassel and won't be pleased as long as he's our QB a lot more people would have a lot more respect for your opinions. It's ok not to like a guy just be honest. Say I don't like this guy and I'm not going to be fair.

[matthewschiefs]

You tried calling out Matthew as having never said Cassel did poorly, and when he proved you wrong, you just moved right along and tried to say you didn't mean him, but me. Then I showed that you were wrong...... Again.... And you can'see it.

You never will see.your own mistakes.


Rember the good old days when it was just you and I going back and forth lol :meow: :meow:

[chief31]

But you are irrational Chief, everytime i bring up a point there is an excuse for everything. Just like last year. I have given credit for Cassel in 2010, he had a good year, he was very conservative and made good decisions inside the red zone. Whenever I bring up 2009 you brush it off as "His first year." Or i bring up last year and his play and your excuse was "He didnt have enough time to adjust because of JC getting hurt, thus hurting our running game."

I just get tired of the excuses is all. I present you with stats, observation that backs up those stats, you just give me opinions. I just feel like when Connie Jo sees a game like the Seahawks and blames everyone except Cassel, well that drives me a little nuts is all. I didn't mean to throw your name in there, because you have always been respectful twoards me, my apologies.

It is logic based to look at surrounding factors for reasons why a player might struggle, or do particularly well.

Here you are acting like it is wrong, despite the arguable fact that you present other reasons for any and all success that Cassel has ever experienced.

If you hate "excuses", then you have to stop making them.

Prior to Cassel's turnovers, you were raking Cassel over the coals because Moeaki dropped a pass that hit him in the hands.

That is the QBs job is to throw the ball to where the receiver can get to it, but the defender can not. And you complained because he was doing the job correctly.

It is not that the people who oppose your opinions are unreasonable. Nobody has ever stated that Matt Cassel has played like an elite QB and everybody acknowledges that he makes his mistakes. And the "excuses" only come out when the criticism is disproportionate to the performance, as with Moeaki dropping that pass.

And it is the entire basis of your opinion of Matt Cassel. You diminish his successes, and emphasize.his short-comings.

This guy managed to put fourth a great season in his first ever season starting at a level above high school. And who led The Chiefs from 2-14 to 10-6 while putting together a very good stat line.

And all you ever seem to say about him is your "excuses" for his success.

He has not been a bad QB at this point of his career. But one would think that he is the worst ever to start a game if they judged by your remarks.

The "pro-Cassel" crowd is not the unreasonable side.in these discussions.

[chief31]

Rember the good old days when it was just you and I going back and forth lol :meow: :meow:

I have gotten into pretty heated debate with just about every member of The Crowd with more than 12 posts.

It is almost a membership requirement to get p***ed at me.

You, Sir, handled it quite respectfully. Some.can't.

[chief31]

A Realist I'm sorry I don't think so. You have your opinions and I'll hand it to you your opinions are strong and you stick witth them....



I call that stubbornness. I try to avoid allowing my stubbornness to keep me from seeing clearly.

Matt Cassel is the prime example. I was not in favor of the trade that brought him here. And I held that stance through his first season and a half here. But, once he proved that he can win here, my stance had to change.

And, since then, I have been of the opinion.that he MIGHT be able to develop into a serious starting NFL QB.

(MIGHT) being the keyword there.

[chief31]

Chief every team drops passes believe it or not. The New York Giants were among the league leaders last year in dropped passes and Eli didn't have too bad of a year did he?

And the QB is not at fault then either.

Every QB throws INTs too. Most of those are the QBS fault.

All ball-carriers fumble, and they are at fault.

I am not saying that Moeaki is a bad player for it. You were blaming it on.the QB.

[matthewschiefs]

I have gotten into pretty heated debate with just about every member of The Crowd with more than 12 posts.

It is almost a membership requirement to get p***ed at me.

You, Sir, handled it quite respectfully. Some.can't.

Aww I have never been P***ed at you or even Orton I really enjoy a good debate and I have things I feel strongly about this team in as do you. I just happen to be the one who's right :lol: :D

[matthewschiefs]

The pick 6 or the fumble?

Can you show me one person that blamed anyone but Cassel for those? Just asking.

[jap1]

I respect that, we also could of drafted a young qb and developed him. But like I said this is Cassel's last year if he sucks.

Andy Dalton and Jake Locker have been the only QB of ANY value when we have picked since Pioli has been here. And I don't think they are really that great.

Anyways, my point is that I don't think Pioli has really had many options for getting a QB other than selling the farm to move up in the draft. Doing that in the last couple of years would have put a rookie QB on a subpar team with a poor OL, which in my opinion is a recipe for David Carr Syndrome, or DCS.

My biggest complaint with Pioli is that he has only now REALLY addressed the OL and DL. I think he has built a team that will continue to grow into a powerful contender. Our only area of concern is QB, but I don't think there have been many options.