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2010chiefs
09-21-2012, 12:05 AM
Chiefs (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/KC/kansas-city-chiefs) general manager Scott Pioli's approval rating in Kansas City is about as low as Royals owner David Glass. After Kansas City Star columnists Sam Mellinger (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/16/3818720/hunt-needs-to-make-major-changes.html) and Kent Babb (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/16/3818676/chiefs-will-never-win-big-with.html) on Monday blamed the disastrous start on Pioli, Mellinger wrote that they heard from only three fans who stood up for the team (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/17/3820542/disastrous-start-exposes-disconnect.html).
Pioli's damage-control PR crusade began Tuesday when he went on the record with the Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18/3821119/pioli-says-chiefs-can-turn-around.html#disqus_thread) to share his thoughts on the Chiefs' 0-2 start.
Pioli said he didn't see this coming and also defended the way the team was put together. In particular, the Chiefs have been criticized for under-spending and appearing year in and year out as one of the teams furthest under the salary cap, but Pioli claims he is spending owner Clark Hunt's money.
"I think there are things we did do that helped this football team," Pioli told Teicher. "I also know for a fact that this year alone we're spending over $141 million in cash this year. That's more than $20 million over the cap. It's been proven time and time again that there's not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There's not."
Pioli may have a point there (and we'll get to that later), but it's difficult to believe the $141 million figure he threw out. According to cap numbers provided by the NFL on Sept. 7, via Pro Football Talk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/08/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-september-7/), the Chiefs were $14.5 million under the cap, meaning they spent about $106.1 million.
The Chiefs entered last season with the most cap space available (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/16/updated-cap-space-for-all-32-teams/%20), according to NFL.com. Hunt said in January that the team planned to take advantage of the new CBA by carrying over last season's cap space, which he said was $20 million, to the 2012 number. This was something that 30 teams did in the offseason, and ESPN.com's John Clayton reported in February (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve) that the Chiefs had a league-high $62.995 million left to spend.
"The reason that we chose to carry it over is we anticipate needing it in 2012 and 2013, both to continue signing our free agents as well as being able to go out and sign some free agents from outside," Hunt told Steven St. John of Sports Radio 810 WHB in January (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-activate-salary-cap-carry-over-clause/e1174080-a8d2-4608-885a-35119b2a80bb).
The Chiefs' big free-agent acquisitions were RT Eric Winston (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/424025/eric-winston), signed to a four-year, $22-million contract, and RB Peyton Hillis (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/523458/peyton-hillis), signed to a one-year deal worth $2.8 million. They did not re-sign CB Brandon Carr (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/582248/brandon-carr), who signed a five-year, $51-million deal with the Cowboys. Instead, they signed CB Stanford Routt (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/419954/stanford-routt) for three years and $18 million.
After this season, Kansas City has five starters who will be free agents (LT Branden Albert (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1243029/branden-albert), RG Ryan Lilja (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493668/ryan-lilja), WR Dwayne Bowe (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/406856/dwayne-bowe), DE Glenn Dorsey (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/518156/glenn-dorsey) and LB Jovan Belcher (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1675829/jovan-belcher)). Are they planning to carry over unspent money again to sign them? Possibly. But that's a hard sale for this year.
As for Pioli's stance that spending doesn't result in winning, the small sample size of 2012 shows otherwise. Of the six undefeated teams left, four appeared in the top nine teams with the least amount of cap space left on Sept. 7; four of the six winless teams (Kansas City, Tennessee, Jacksonville and Cleveland) are in the bottom six spenders. Last season, seven playoff teams were in the top-half with the least amount of cap space left and five fell in the bottom half.
No matter how it's framed, the money the Chiefs spend -- or don't spend -- is a touchy subject in K.C. It's not surprising Pioli would argue that spending doesn't matter and in the next breath say the Chiefs spent $141 million this year.
Pioli's main task in the next few weeks is to convince Kansas City's fans that there is still hope for this team, which he maintains was built the right way.
Patience is what he's preaching. Winning is the only healer.

MissingTBone
09-21-2012, 08:56 AM
Yeah, we get recycled crappy coaches who HAVE to pull double duty. And we replace our lost free agents with cheaper and less effective players. We are like the welfare version of an nfl team. But.... I'm sure the team was built the right way. Our record clearly shows that!!

2010chiefs
09-21-2012, 09:59 PM
Well Romeo Crennel got an OC that he was familiar with and not necessarily proven. That also says alot to me. Same goes with Pioli hiring Crennel. Forget familiarity. Go with Proven coaches and shell out the dough to get them!

bricooper78
09-21-2012, 10:03 PM
I would literally pee myself with joy if super-jaw Bill showed up here, but it just won't happen. same with chuckie, we've lost those boats to the tv world.

i'm good with a young up and comer type, we've tried retreads, with no success.. why not? at this point, lets try something NEW and DIFFERENT, what have we got to lose?

I personally think adding a young and even decent DC is the thing we really should be looking at right now, I don't think we need to toss the baby out with the bath water, but that water is sure starting to get rank

IslandKing77
09-21-2012, 11:19 PM
I don't understand why everyone is high on Cowher's ****, it took him forever to get his team to the dance and it would have never happend without the freakshow QB that eventually showed up.

Also, how is Daboll an unproven offensive coordinator? This isn't his first time being an offensive coordinator... he's had this job several times and each time the offense he coordinated was not effective.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Each week I turn on the Chiefs game and go a little insane because I hope something different will happen when the Chiefs do the same thing.

Today was the first Friday I was too embarassed to wear a Chiefs shirt to work and that says a LOT after staying red all through the Herm years.

bricooper78
09-22-2012, 12:36 AM
Because Cowher was part of a working example of the draft and develop system that we "claim" to be using.

Bowe, bye. Pittsburgh wouldn't deal with him, we see that all the time, they lose big names, but they develop them all, and so it's next man up, and that position is back up and running in notime.
The exact opposite of our (total lack of) depth, where the starter goes down and we're totally F'd.

chief31
09-22-2012, 12:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone is high on Cowher's ****, it took him forever to get his team to the dance and it would have never happend without the freakshow QB that eventually showed up.

He had The Steelers in The Super Bowl in hid fourth year. And they were a top contender almost every year.

Bike
09-22-2012, 11:14 PM
Cowher was a new, young HC when he went to Pittsburg in 92. Thats what we need - a new, young HC. This leaves Cowher outside of these search parameters.

nigeriannightmare
09-24-2012, 03:04 PM
Cowher was a new, young HC when he went to Pittsburg in 92. Thats what we need - a new, young HC. This leaves Cowher outside of these search parameters.

I like the interim coach from new orleans, his offensive lines are always top notch. Theres just too much adversity in new orleans and our D is way better.

drstandley31
09-24-2012, 03:47 PM
This past year when they were interviewing for OC's, Al Saunders was a candidate. He was an awesome OC for us, but no, we went with yet another Cleveland reject! Explain that. The 3 most critical coaching jobs on a team are held by 2 coache's that were fired from Cleveland for being ineffective.

nigeriannightmare
09-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Bellicheck is a cleveland reject...love him or hate him, he gets it done.

chief31
09-24-2012, 07:19 PM
This past year when they were interviewing for OC's, Al Saunders was a candidate. He was an awesome OC for us, but no, we went with yet another Cleveland reject! Explain that. The 3 most critical coaching jobs on a team are held by 2 coache's that were fired from Cleveland for being ineffective.

I like Saunders but it's difficult to credit him for The Chiefs' offense under Vermiel because the offense was identical to the offense he created with The Rams.

And then, when he left here, he sure didn't exactly light it up with The Skin, nor Raiders.