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marloweopatchiefs
10-08-2012, 02:58 PM
http://www.bottomlinecom.com/baldinger-winston-owes-fans-apology/

chief31
10-08-2012, 03:07 PM
I was embarrassed by those who stood and cheered for the injury to our QB.

I am not embarrassed by a player calling them out for it.

You want to deny it? But there are plenty of people right here on this site who defend the cheers, and others who seem to downplay it. So pretending as if they don't exist is a lost cause.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 03:12 PM
Personally I am embarrassed and ashamed to be called a chiefs fan right now, not because we've been loosing but because of the behavior of a few so-called "fans". I'm as proud as I can be of Matt Cassel and the rest of the guys including Bowe who I, admittedly, have been critical of.

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I'd love to see Matt come out this week and destroy the Bucs with a passing game.

Greg Schiano
10-08-2012, 03:18 PM
I'd love to see Matt come out this week and destroy the Bucs with a passing game.

I wouldn't.

KCraised
10-08-2012, 03:18 PM
You used the right term..."few". For that reason, I am NOT ashamed to be a Chiefs fan. Sorry to see fans crumble so quickly. I guess I see the great fans. Thanks to the great fans!

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't.

Fair enough. What a sweet twist that would put on this whole debockle though.

Greg Schiano
10-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Fair enough. What a sweet twist that would put on this whole debockle though.

Don't worry, he probably will lol. I'm just not going to like it.

chief31
10-08-2012, 03:22 PM
You used the right term..."few". For that reason, I am NOT ashamed to be a Chiefs fan. Sorry to see fans crumble so quickly. I guess I see the great fans. Thanks to the great fans!

I agree, but those few represent of behalf of Chiefs fans, rather we approve, or not.

They should not represent the fanbase. And it is, as I've stated hundreds of times, wrong to judge a whole group for the actions of part of the group.

But it does happen. It will happen, as it has always happened.

Myself, I think this will all be a thing of the past by year's end. I think it is an afterthought by next year, unless Cassel is somehow still here leading, which I doubt.

marloweopatchiefs
10-08-2012, 03:23 PM
I was embarrassed by those who stood and cheered for the injury to our QB.

I am not embarrassed by a player calling them out for it.

You want to deny it? But there are plenty of people right here on this site who defend the cheers, and others who seem to downplay it. So pretending as if they don't exist is a lost cause.


i for one agree with winston...you can hear some idiots in the backround booing cassel as he is walking off...i for one was not one of those cheering for his injury..

McLovin
10-08-2012, 03:26 PM
Personally I am embarrassed and ashamed to be called a chiefs fan right now, not because we've been loosing but because of the behavior of a few so-called "fans". I'm as proud as I can be of Matt Cassel and the rest of the guys including Bowe who I, admittedly, have been critical of.

Chiefster you know I respect you but I am going to stand firm on what I have said to others. If your embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan there is an easy way to cure it. Go find another team and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Regardless of the situation or some fans or perception by ESPN or Eric Winston or even other fans .... I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED TO BE A CHIEFS FAN. And I also will not apologize for being happy that an alive walking Cassel isn't able to play QB ... and hope he never wears a Chiefs jersey again... if that means the end of his career so be it.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 03:26 PM
People can deny anything they want.

For instance, there are people who come on here every weekend and deny that Cassel is hurting the team.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 03:27 PM
People can deny anything they want.

For instance, there are people who come on here every weekend and deny that Cassel is hurting the team.

THIS and AMEN

KCraised
10-08-2012, 03:27 PM
I agree, but those few represent of behalf of Chiefs fans, rather we approve, or not.

They should not represent the fanbase. And it is, as I've stated hundreds of times, wrong to judge a whole group for the actions of part of the group.

But it does happen. It will happen, as it has always happened.

Myself, I think this will all be a thing of the past by year's end. I think it is an afterthought by next year, unless Cassel is somehow still here leading, which I doubt.

Im with you....but if Eric W. wants to refer to society having a big problem, i think that generalizing the fanbase for the minority, is more troubling to me. The supposed rational cant see this wrongdoing of its own.

matthewschiefs
10-08-2012, 03:37 PM
Chiefster you know I respect you but I am going to stand firm on what I have said to others. If your embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan there is an easy way to cure it. Go find another team and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Regardless of the situation or some fans or perception by ESPN or Eric Winston or even other fans .... I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED TO BE A CHIEFS FAN. And I also will not apologize for being happy that an alive walking Cassel isn't able to play QB ... and hope he never wears a Chiefs jersey again... if that means the end of his career so be it.

You have the right to your outlook and I have the right to say that you and some others need to GET A GRIP on things. This was your post yesterday while Cassel was down.


Hope he is hurt. I feel bad saying that but hope it puts him in IR.

This is a mans health your talking about and your saying you hope he is hurt enough to go on IR. I have no problem with saying I want Cassel benched. I have said that but saying that you hope he's hurt enough to go on IR. I think you need to do some self checking on your outlook on football. It's football.

chief31
10-08-2012, 03:39 PM
Chiefster you know I respect you but I am going to stand firm on what I have said to others. If your embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan there is an easy way to cure it. Go find another team and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Regardless of the situation or some fans or perception by ESPN or Eric Winston or even other fans .... I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED TO BE A CHIEFS FAN. And I also will not apologize for being happy that an alive walking Cassel isn't able to play QB ... and hope he never wears a Chiefs jersey again... if that means the end of his career so be it.

I would hope that most Chiefs fans would stand with Winston for his role here.

When some other group's minority does nasty things, don't we always wish that the rest of that group would at least condemn those actions?

I am right with him here. It sucks to have this sort of attention brought onto the fanbase. But it is right to call-out the poor bahavior.

His remarks may generalize. But the basic sentiment of it being wrong to want an injury is spot-on.

If you want a player to be injured, you might have a real problem.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 03:44 PM
We could always change the old Motley Crue song for Matt to Don't go away hurt ... Just go away

McLovin
10-08-2012, 03:47 PM
You have the right to your outlook and I have the right to say that you and some others need to GET A GRIP on things. This was your post yesterday while Cassel was down.



This is a mans health your talking about and your saying you hope he is hurt enough to go on IR. I have no problem with saying I want Cassel benched. I have said that but saying that you hope he's hurt enough to go on IR. I think you need to do some self checking on your outlook on football. It's football.

And today after calming down I still say it ... I dont want this to affect his life but I dont want any chance for Pioli and Crennel to put him back in. I never want to see Matt Cassel in a Chiefs Jersey again he has done enough damage...

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 03:47 PM
I agree, but those few represent of behalf of Chiefs fans, rather we approve, or not.

They should not represent the fanbase. And it is, as I've stated hundreds of times, wrong to judge a whole group for the actions of part of the group.

But it does happen. It will happen, as it has always happened.

Myself, I think this will all be a thing of the past by year's end. I think it is an afterthought by next year, unless Cassel is somehow still here leading, which I doubt.

Exactly, I am ashamed and embarrassed by the stigma placed upon our entire fan base because of these "few" classless fans.

KCraised
10-08-2012, 03:55 PM
I would hope that most Chiefs fans would stand with Winston for his role here.

When some other group's minority does nasty things, don't we always wish that the rest of that group would at least condemn those actions?

I am right with him here. It sucks to have this sort of attention brought onto the fanbase. But it is right to call-out the poor bahavior.

His remarks may generalize. But the basic sentiment of it being wrong to want an injury is spot-on.

If you want a player to be injured, you might have a real problem.

I agree. Nobody rides for free (Ratt song referrance for Mclovin'). Call out the minority but dont bring it across as the "Chiefs fanbase". Im sorry. If you are gonna put that strong of a damning interview out, you better throw in an obvious disclaimer that you arent *******izing the whole city and/or fanbase as your target. Something like, "guys, I wanna make it very clear that ive been treated extremely well since ive been here and ive seen the greatness of this city and this is ONLY a message for the group that did it and it doesnt represent the whole fanbase...."
That simple. But if you listen to the soundbytes and roundtable discussions that programs have dedicated to "kc fans dont know how to act", winston created one helluva fallout for people that didnt deserve it.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 03:59 PM
Chiefster you know I respect you but I am going to stand firm on what I have said to others. If your embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan there is an easy way to cure it. Go find another team and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Regardless of the situation or some fans or perception by ESPN or Eric Winston or even other fans .... I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED TO BE A CHIEFS FAN. And I also will not apologize for being happy that an alive walking Cassel isn't able to play QB ... and hope he never wears a Chiefs jersey again... if that means the end of his career so be it.

The respect is mutual, but as I stated before I am not ashamed or embarrassed because of the team, or because of the coaching or administration for that matter but because of a few classless fans who took it upon themselves to degrade an entire fan base. I'm a fan and am not going anywhere regardless of any invitations to do otherwise. What I have stated is merely my opinion and we do not have to agree, but I will defend and stand by my right to feel on this subject as I see fit.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 04:07 PM
I'd cheer if Pioli took a headshot. Does that make me classless or just "frustrated" ?

McLovin
10-08-2012, 04:07 PM
The respect is mutual, but as I stated before I am not ashamed or embarrassed because of the team, or because of the coaching or administration for that matter but because of a few classless fans who took it upon themselves to degrade an entire fan base. I'm a fan and am not going anywhere regardless of any invitations to do otherwise. What I have stated is merely my opinion and we do not have to agree, but I will defend and stand by my right to feel on this subject as I see fit.

So in theory your not ashamed to be a fan more ashamed of some fans .. I can agree with that .. and respect that .. I just don't like the statement I am embarrassed to be a fan. I personally don't do anything I am embarrassed about. I have done things I wish I wouldn't have but I am never embarrassed to do something and continue to do said act.

Mas1976
10-08-2012, 04:10 PM
What Eric Winston said, was dead on and i am glad a player had the guts to call the fans on such a pathetic display by our fellow fans.. This was the 1st time ive ever been almost ashamed to admit that i am a chiefs fan.. Winston said it best, when he said, " its a game and their not gladiators". For all of my fellow chiefs fans that participated in the cheering of our unconscious QB, growup and get a life! I love football but if your so wrapped up in it to the point that youd actually be happy and cheer at one of your own teams players getting knocked out. You really need to get your priorities straight..

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 04:10 PM
I'd cheer if Pioli took a headshot. Does that make me classless or just "frustrated" ?

I think this is a sad commentary, and I could not disagree more with the sentiment. Whether it makes you "classless" or "frustrated" I think it's sad that you would find approval in such a thing.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 04:11 PM
So in theory your not ashamed to be a fan more ashamed of some fans .. I can agree with that .. and respect that .. I just don't like the statement I am embarrassed to be a fan. I personally don't do anything I am embarrassed about. I have done things I wish I wouldn't have but I am never embarrassed to do something and continue to do said act.

We agree.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 04:15 PM
I think this is a sad commentary, and I could not disagree more with the sentiment. Whether it makes you "classless" or "frustrated" I think it's sad that you would find approval in such a thing.


So you have never cheered when a football player made a good hit on a rival opponent?

I'm not sure what you're watching on Sundays but I am watching a violent sport. Multiple people are getting hit on every play of the game, the crowd goes nuts. I guess every football fan, except you of course because you are not cheering about the violence, are sad individuals.

I think some on field issues would be addressed immediately if some front office personnel had to come on the field and take some snaps in each game. I bet there'd be more depth on the offensive line immediately. And for this trainwreck of a team, yeah I wouldn't mine seeing the architect of it getting blasted by Ray Lewis, he deserves it a lot more than Charles does.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 04:22 PM
And I don't secretly watch Three's Company ... I LOVE Three's Company and miss John Ritter .. I secretly watch Smash.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 04:22 PM
So you have never cheered when a football player made a good hit on a rival opponent?

I'm not sure what you're watching on Sundays but I am watching a violent sport. Multiple people are getting hit on every play of the game, the crowd goes nuts. I guess every football fan, except you of course because you are not cheering about the violence, are sad individuals.

I think some on field issues would be addressed immediately if some front office personnel had to come on the field and take some snaps in each game. I bet there'd be more depth on the offensive line immediately. And for this trainwreck of a team, yeah I wouldn't mine seeing the architect of it getting blasted by Ray Lewis, he deserves it a lot more than Charles does.

I have never, EVER cheered for the injury of any opposing football player and certainly not when it happens to a player on my team. I simply don't believe anyone deserves to be injured.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 04:41 PM
If the opposing team had a player who was just demolishing every chance that the Chiefs had you wouldn't feel any kind of relief if he was knocked out the game?

Throwing the BS flag on that one.

It just so happens that the MVP for every Chiefs opponent this season was wearing a Chiefs jersey, I'm not going to feel any less relief just because of that.

Lets be real about it, he wasn't life flighted out of the stadium to get immediate life saving surgery. He was squished between a couple of big beefy types, never hit in the head and taken out with a 'head injury'.

With regards to Pioli taking a 'headshot' or getting 'blasted', I never said anything about him being injured. I'd just like to see them take some of these hits. I promise you that if Clark Hunt leaned/leaped out to try and catch some over the middle Cassel pass, that as soon as he was conscious again there'd be a different QB taking snaps.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 04:53 PM
If the opposing team had a player who was just demolishing every chance that the Chiefs had you wouldn't feel any kind of relief if he was knocked out the game?

Throwing the BS flag on that one.

It just so happens that the MVP for every Chiefs opponent this season was wearing a Chiefs jersey, I'm not going to feel any less relief just because of that.

Lets be real about it, he wasn't life flighted out of the stadium to get immediate life saving surgery. He was squished between a couple of big beefy types, never hit in the head and taken out with a 'head injury'.

With regards to Pioli taking a 'headshot' or getting 'blasted', I never said anything about him being injured. I'd just like to see them take some of these hits. I promise you that if Clark Hunt leaned/leaped out to try and catch some over the middle Cassel pass, that as soon as he was conscious again there'd be a different QB taking snaps.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. I am not going to be involved in a debate where I'm going to be brought to the level of the lowest common denominator. Think what you want, I would not be happy over an injury to anyone. I really cannot help it that you seem to be a victim of shallow thinking, obviously incapable of believing anyone to be any different than yourself.

dbolan
10-08-2012, 05:04 PM
If a few people cheered because he was hurt, then that is on them. Bad Karma. I think Winston over-reacted and by all means should clarify and apologize. What Winston said was actually worse because he called everyone in that stadium, pathetic and sickening.

kcvet
10-08-2012, 05:17 PM
one thing about Baldinger, he pulls no punch's and I agree with him. Winston made sure the entire media was there before ripping us. that's just flat wrong.

kcvet
10-08-2012, 05:37 PM
Is this the cheering Chiefsí Winston blamed fans for?

video (http://www.kctv5.com/story/19761458/is-this-the-cheering-chiefs-winston-blamed-fans-for)

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 05:50 PM
If a few people cheered because he was hurt, then that is on them. Bad Karma. I think Winston over-reacted and by all means should clarify and apologize. What Winston said was actually worse because he called everyone in that stadium, pathetic and sickening.


^^THIS!!^^

I could not agree with you more man.

kcvet
10-08-2012, 05:51 PM
he also insulted managements product or bottom line here.

Connie Jo
10-08-2012, 05:59 PM
I was at the game, as were many friends I know sitting in various sections of Arrowhead. I am the only one among my friends who didn't hear cheering for Matt's injury. I'm talking 50 or more friends heard it in their various sections. The reason I didn't hear it, is because I was solely focused on Matt laying on the ground, not paying attention to the crowd environment around me at all.

Not only did my friends acknowledge it happening in their sections...other Chiefs players besides Eric have made public comments about witnessing it, and so have some of the Ravens players, saying they were appalled.

It doesn't matter really whether or not every fan participated in the celebration of Cassel's injury...it only matters that enough fans participated that players on both teams witnessed it, as did many fans at the game.

Some fans behind me were not *cheering* persay, but they were making derogatory comments being very happy Matt was injured & might not finish the game. They were also chanting throughout the game, "Brady, Brady, Brady"...it was distracting.

Fans by a majority began booing & heckling Matt & the offense when they took the field for their first drive. They hadn't even made any mistakes, but the booing & heckling began anyway. They booed & heckled each time the offense took the field. :(

I would imagine by the time Cassel was injured, the entire Chiefs roster had it's fill. They are not happy with Chiefs fans right now, at all. A fan base they once claimed was the best to play for in the NFL, and interact with. Many are withdrawing, no longer interacting among fans. Fans are disrupting their focus, making their job more difficult, beating down their morale & confidence when booing & heckling from the first drive to the last. :(

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 06:05 PM
I was at the game, as were many friends I know sitting in various sections of Arrowhead. I am the only one among my friends who didn't hear cheering for Matt's injury. I'm talking 50 or more friends heard it in their various sections. The reason I didn't hear it, is because I was solely focused on Matt laying on the ground, not paying attention to the crowd environment around me at all.

Not only did my friends acknowledge it happening in their sections...other Chiefs players besides Eric have made public comments about witnessing it, and so have some of the Ravens players, saying they were appalled.

It doesn't matter really whether or not every fan participated in the celebration of Cassel's injury...it only matters that enough fans participated that players on both teams witnessed it, as did many fans at the game.

Some fans behind me were not *cheering* persay, but they were making derogatory comments being very happy Matt was injured & might not finish the game. They were also chanting throughout the game, "Brady, Brady, Brady"...it was distracting.

Fans by a majority began booing & heckling Matt & the offense when they took the field for their first drive. They hadn't even made any mistakes, but the booing & heckling began anyway. They booed & heckled each time the offense took the field. :(

I would imagine by the time Cassel was injured, the entire Chiefs roster had it's fill. They are not happy with Chiefs fans right now, at all. A fan base they once claimed was the best to play for in the NFL, and interact with. Many are withdrawing, no longer interacting among fans. Fans are disrupting their focus, making their job more difficult, beating down their morale & confidence when booing & heckling from the first drive to the last. :(

If the crowd booing the offense is enough to take away a players focus the problem is the team is not focused and prepared.

The same way you were unable to hear the noise when you were focused on Matt is the same focus this team should be playing with.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 06:08 PM
Is this the cheering Chiefsí Winston blamed fans for?

video (http://www.kctv5.com/story/19761458/is-this-the-cheering-chiefs-winston-blamed-fans-for)

This does give a different perspective.

Connie Jo
10-08-2012, 06:09 PM
Put yourself in Eric Winston's place, for just a brief moment. He spent most of the game hearing fans boo & heckle Matt, him, & the entire offense each time they took the field, & after plays. By the time Matt was injured, I would imagine the players were pretty upset.

These men are like a family, they bond like brothers. They become defensive & protective of one another just like we all do over people we care about. How would you feel & react if someone you cared about was injured laying on the ground, and bystanders began celebrating in some manner? I bet most of you would be just as upset & angry as Eric Winston became, understandably so. I know I would've been upset had it happened to someone I care about dearly.

Connie Jo
10-08-2012, 06:14 PM
If the crowd booing the offense is enough to take away a players focus the problem is the team is not focused and prepared.

The same way you were unable to hear the noise when you were focused on Matt is the same focus this team should be playing with.

One huge difference...my focus was concentrated on someone injured for a brief few minutes. I wasn't a victim of relentless booing & heckling for 3 1/2 hours.

Try focusing on your job with a crowd of angry people booing & heckling you...how focused would you remain?

Why is it that some fans have the misconception that pro football players don't have the same emotions & limitations to breaking points that all humans have? The negative fan behavior has been occurring since the MLB All Star Charity Game when fans booed Cassel. It has occurred every pre-season & regular season home game. It wears a human being down, I don't care who you are or how much money you make...you're still human.

chief31
10-08-2012, 06:15 PM
I'd cheer if Pioli took a headshot. Does that make me classless or just "frustrated" ?

"Sick" might be a word worth investigating.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 06:16 PM
I was at the game, as were many friends I know sitting in various sections of Arrowhead. I am the only one among my friends who didn't hear cheering for Matt's injury. I'm talking 50 or more friends heard it in their various sections. The reason I didn't hear it, is because I was solely focused on Matt laying on the ground, not paying attention to the crowd environment around me at all.

Not only did my friends acknowledge it happening in their sections...other Chiefs players besides Eric have made public comments about witnessing it, and so have some of the Ravens players, saying they were appalled.

It doesn't matter really whether or not every fan participated in the celebration of Cassel's injury...it only matters that enough fans participated that players on both teams witnessed it, as did many fans at the game.

Some fans behind me were not *cheering* persay, but they were making derogatory comments being very happy Matt was injured & might not finish the game. They were also chanting throughout the game, "Brady, Brady, Brady"...it was distracting.

Fans by a majority began booing & heckling Matt & the offense when they took the field for their first drive. They hadn't even made any mistakes, but the booing & heckling began anyway. They booed & heckled each time the offense took the field. :(

I would imagine by the time Cassel was injured, the entire Chiefs roster had it's fill. They are not happy with Chiefs fans right now, at all. A fan base they once claimed was the best to play for in the NFL, and interact with. Many are withdrawing, no longer interacting among fans. Fans are disrupting their focus, making their job more difficult, beating down their morale & confidence when booing & heckling from the first drive to the last. :(

I have to agree, this simply is not right.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 06:17 PM
"Sick" might be a word worth investigating.

Exactly.

chief31
10-08-2012, 06:20 PM
If the opposing team had a player who was just demolishing every chance that the Chiefs had you wouldn't feel any kind of relief if he was knocked out the game?

Throwing the BS flag on that one.

It just so happens that the MVP for every Chiefs opponent this season was wearing a Chiefs jersey, I'm not going to feel any less relief just because of that.

Lets be real about it, he wasn't life flighted out of the stadium to get immediate life saving surgery. He was squished between a couple of big beefy types, never hit in the head and taken out with a 'head injury'.

With regards to Pioli taking a 'headshot' or getting 'blasted', I never said anything about him being injured. I'd just like to see them take some of these hits. I promise you that if Clark Hunt leaned/leaped out to try and catch some over the middle Cassel pass, that as soon as he was conscious again there'd be a different QB taking snaps.

I call that mentality cowardice.

When you are not good enough at something to beat another, trying to injure them so you don't have to play them is cowardice.

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 06:23 PM
One huge difference...my focus was concentrated on someone injured for a brief few minutes. I wasn't a victim of relentless booing & heckling for 3 1/2 hours.

Try focusing on your job with a crowd of angry people booing & heckling you...how focused would you remain?

Why is it that some fans have the misconception that pro football players don't have the same emotions & limitations to breaking points that all humans have? The negative fan behavior has been occurring since the MLB All Star Charity Game when fans booed Cassel. It has occurred every pre-season & regular season home game. It wears a human being down, I don't care who you are or how much money you make...you're still human.

I typed out a response but its not worth posting, I understand the point you make but slightly disagree with it. There is enough in-fighting around this fan base right now and there is no need to further add to it. :chiefs:

ctchiefsfan
10-08-2012, 06:24 PM
OH MAN!!!!!

This wreck of a season....Chiefs fans paying for anti Cassel/Pioli overflights....and now we are fighting amongst ourselves here on Chiefscrowd. WTF???

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/2fewdaysafield/avatars/crying_smiley2.gif

I wasn't there, but there does not seem to be any doubt that some people felt Chiefs fans were cheering Cassel's injury. And it doesn't really surprise me. I'm a pretty loyal guy, but even I was sick to death of Cassel by halftime yesterday.

Cassel is injured and even if he recovers in a day or two I doubt we will see him on the field as a Chief again.

Let's stop fighting last week's battle and start worrying about who is going to be the starting QB for the rest of this season and beyond. I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if by the end of the season some of the Cassel haters are wishing for Cassel to be back on the field.

chief31
10-08-2012, 06:26 PM
If the crowd booing the offense is enough to take away a players focus the problem is the team is not focused and prepared.

The same way you were unable to hear the noise when you were focused on Matt is the same focus this team should be playing with.

That is absolute nonsense.

What is home field advantage? What is the crowd for?

It absolutely matters.

#58ChiefsFan
10-08-2012, 06:29 PM
That is absolute nonsense.

What is home field advantage? What is the crowd for?

It absolutely matters.


I stand 100% behind that satement but I'm not going to argue about it this week.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 06:30 PM
That is absolute nonsense.

What is home field advantage? What is the crowd for?

It absolutely matters.

Excellent point.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 07:23 PM
If Cassel had to be voted in as QB weekly none of this would be an issue. It amazes me that people on here think that fans should just shut up and not voice displeasure and others back Cassel to a fault and refuse to see that he is not now nor will ever be a starting QB in the league but because he was overpaid he is shoved down the loyal fans throats week after week. If you would like to pay me 60 Million to suck and be booed I would surely do it ... Sorry if poor Mattys feelings got hurt ... Healthy or not MATT ' BACKUP ' CASSEL should NEVER suit up as a Chief again, not even as a third string emergency QB.... If Egoli would have owned up to his mistake years ago he could have kept Cassel as a backup. That ship has now sailed he has no place on this team.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 07:24 PM
One huge difference...my focus was concentrated on someone injured for a brief few minutes. I wasn't a victim of relentless booing & heckling for 3 1/2 hours.

Try focusing on your job with a crowd of angry people booing & heckling you...how focused would you remain?

Why is it that some fans have the misconception that pro football players don't have the same emotions & limitations to breaking points that all humans have? The negative fan behavior has been occurring since the MLB All Star Charity Game when fans booed Cassel. It has occurred every pre-season & regular season home game. It wears a human being down, I don't care who you are or how much money you make...you're still human.

You are absolutely wrong ... I will leave it at that.

kcvet
10-08-2012, 07:30 PM
and now every gun slinger in here from other teams are gonna be all over us

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 07:31 PM
I guess it really depends on the ability a person has at self-delusion.

In this instance you have taken the soap box route to chastise anyone who was glad Cassel was knocked out of the game citing how itís horrible to cheer someone being injured. This arbitrary definition of what an injury is to is where you draw the line in the sand.

I guess that takes some really deep thinking.

To me, just your run of the mill lowest common denominator and all around shallow thinker, there is a much broader interpretation of what an injury is. Since itís pretty shallow, you nor anyone else should have any problem keeping up with the line of thinking here.

These players are injured on every play of the game. As far as Iím concerned they are all injured on every play. American football is an inherently violent sport played in a brutal fashion by men who have no compunction about the reality of the damage they inflicting on themselves. As even stated by Winston in his rant, they know they are shortening their lives by playing this game and to them the trade off is worth it, as they find the monetary compensation adequate.

So, to me, it doesnít take a player being carted off the field or pulled from the game due to a specific hit/injury for me to consider them injured. When I am watching a football game I see 22 walking wounded individuals. If you think Iím being overly dramatic or wrong about this, I suggest you call up the following individuals and ask them their opinion:

Shane Dronett
Dave Duerson
Ray Easterling
Terry Long
Kenny McKinley
Junior Seau
Andre Waters
Mike Wise

The difference between how I think about it and how you seem to think about it is simple. If you donít have to see the repercussions of the injury then it doesnít exist. I simply refuse to lie to myself over this topic so I can feel better while watching the games. Iím not scared to admit that the violence of the game is one of its attracting features. This overly sensitive knee jerk reaction to attempt to distance oneself from the basic animalistic programming that exists in each of us is just a symptom of the continued feminization of the American male.

There isnít anything wrong with enjoying the violence of the football game. What is morally wrong is trying to pretend it doesnít exist and not taking the steps necessary to diminish the effects of the game on the players. There are safer helmets that are out there for the players and their use isnít mandated. Shortening the football season is also a viable option. Hell, getting rid of the hard plastic helmets with the face masks would also help. Youíre going to be much less inclined to lead with your head if itís not wrapped in fiberglass.

But none of these options are openly on the table in terms of player safety because we as fans sit around and pretend that theyíre not injured unless we can see it happen on the field.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 07:42 PM
I was at the game, as were many friends I know sitting in various sections of Arrowhead. I am the only one among my friends who didn't hear cheering for Matt's injury. I'm talking 50 or more friends heard it in their various sections. The reason I didn't hear it, is because I was solely focused on Matt laying on the ground, not paying attention to the crowd environment around me at all.

Not only did my friends acknowledge it happening in their sections...other Chiefs players besides Eric have made public comments about witnessing it, and so have some of the Ravens players, saying they were appalled.

It doesn't matter really whether or not every fan participated in the celebration of Cassel's injury...it only matters that enough fans participated that players on both teams witnessed it, as did many fans at the game.

Some fans behind me were not *cheering* persay, but they were making derogatory comments being very happy Matt was injured & might not finish the game. They were also chanting throughout the game, "Brady, Brady, Brady"...it was distracting.

Fans by a majority began booing & heckling Matt & the offense when they took the field for their first drive. They hadn't even made any mistakes, but the booing & heckling began anyway. They booed & heckled each time the offense took the field. :(

I would imagine by the time Cassel was injured, the entire Chiefs roster had it's fill. They are not happy with Chiefs fans right now, at all. A fan base they once claimed was the best to play for in the NFL, and interact with. Many are withdrawing, no longer interacting among fans. Fans are disrupting their focus, making their job more difficult, beating down their morale & confidence when booing & heckling from the first drive to the last. :(

I don't exist as a fan for the players of the Kansas City Chiefs. They exist as a team for me, and every other fan. If there are no fans, there is no team. That's the bottom line. If the Fans have had their "fill" then it is their right to voice their displeasure. The fan who is sick and tired of the performance of the team paid just as much as the fan who isn't.

What's sad is that we have been very vocal about this displeasure for a very long time and have been ignored. I don't think the franchise would be wise to follow the whim of the fanbase in its weekly decision making but at the same time if you just blantantly ignore us for years you create the kind of environment where an injury to the player that generates the most ire gets cheered.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 08:00 PM
I guess it really depends on the ability a person has at self-delusion.

In this instance you have taken the soap box route to chastise anyone who was glad Cassel was knocked out of the game citing how itís horrible to cheer someone being injured. This arbitrary definition of what an injury is to is where you draw the line in the sand.

I guess that takes some really deep thinking.

To me, just your run of the mill lowest common denominator and all around shallow thinker, there is a much broader interpretation of what an injury is. Since itís pretty shallow, you nor anyone else should have any problem keeping up with the line of thinking here.

These players are injured on every play of the game. As far as Iím concerned they are all injured on every play. American football is an inherently violent sport played in a brutal fashion by men who have no compunction about the reality of the damage they inflicting on themselves. As even stated by Winston in his rant, they know they are shortening their lives by playing this game and to them the trade off is worth it, as they find the monetary compensation adequate.

So, to me, it doesnít take a player being carted off the field or pulled from the game due to a specific hit/injury for me to consider them injured. When I am watching a football game I see 22 walking wounded individuals. If you think Iím being overly dramatic or wrong about this, I suggest you call up the following individuals and ask them their opinion:

Shane Dronett
Dave Duerson
Ray Easterling
Terry Long
Kenny McKinley
Junior Seau
Andre Waters
Mike Wise

The difference between how I think about it and how you seem to think about it is simple. If you donít have to see the repercussions of the injury then it doesnít exist. I simply refuse to lie to myself over this topic so I can feel better while watching the games. Iím not scared to admit that the violence of the game is one of its attracting features. This overly sensitive knee jerk reaction to attempt to distance oneself from the basic animalistic programming that exists in each of us is just a symptom of the continued feminization of the American male.

There isnít anything wrong with enjoying the violence of the football game. What is morally wrong is trying to pretend it doesnít exist and not taking the steps necessary to diminish the effects of the game on the players. There are safer helmets that are out there for the players and their use isnít mandated. Shortening the football season is also a viable option. Hell, getting rid of the hard plastic helmets with the face masks would also help. Youíre going to be much less inclined to lead with your head if itís not wrapped in fiberglass.

But none of these options are openly on the table in terms of player safety because we as fans sit around and pretend that theyíre not injured unless we can see it happen on the field.

None of your wordy deflection, in a vain attempt to prove some kind of superior intellectual reasoning, from the fact that it is sick to cheer because a player is injured does not in any way prove your case.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 08:05 PM
None of your wordy deflection, in a vain attempt to prove some kind of superior intellectual reasoning, from the fact that it is sick to cheer because a player is injured does not in any way prove your case.

Well, I guess since you typed it all out with words and everything on the internet it's automatically true. You clearly countered the argument effectively and cited cases that prove your ponit so well done.

The fact remains these guys are injured on an ongoing and constant basis. Cheering for football in any manner is cheering this on. If pretending otherwise makes you feel better, then by all means continue to do so.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 08:14 PM
Well, I guess since you typed it all out with words and everything on the internet it's automatically true. You clearly countered the argument effectively and cited cases that prove your ponit so well done.

The fact remains these guys are injured on an ongoing and constant basis. Cheering for football in any manner is cheering this on. If pretending otherwise makes you feel better, then by all means continue to do so.

This is not in dispute, claiming that cheering for football is cheering on injury laden athletes because they are injured is at best flawed thinking. I don't need to site case file precedent to simply state, again, that it is sick to cheer that a player goes out of a game because they are injured. It is classless.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 08:19 PM
Personally I cheered that Cassel went out of the game and hopefully out for the season (I didn't cheer that he got hurt there is a distinction here). I don't like that it took injury but I am very glad he is out. I don't at all like the cause but I do like the result. I wish that Crennel and Egoli would have done there job and pulled him prior to that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Chiefster
10-08-2012, 08:22 PM
Personally I cheered that Cassel went out of the game and hopefully out for the season (I didn't cheer that he got hurt there is a distinction here). I don't like that it took injury but I am very glad he is out. I don't at all like the cause but I do like the result. I wish that Crennel and Egoli would have done there job and pulled him prior to that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I understand that you are not glad he got injured.

2010chiefs
10-08-2012, 08:22 PM
Well to be a Chiefs fan is short for a Chiefs FANATIC. That's what the business is all about. They want us to be fanatics and spend our money and by doing so the team becomes very personal to us. The team becomes a part of our lives and even effect our emotions. When the Chiefs are winning you see the same fans cheering and going crazy and spending money because we love this team. The team also has to accept the bad that comes with FANATICS, becoming unruly, disrespectful, and demanding. It's the nature of the business. Why is anyone surprised? When Cassel got injured I was very happy that Brady might play. I honestly could care less about Cassel. Doesn't mean I wished he was hurt at all.

IslandKing77
10-08-2012, 08:45 PM
Personally I cheered that Cassel went out of the game and hopefully out for the season (I didn't cheer that he got hurt there is a distinction here). I don't like that it took injury but I am very glad he is out. I don't at all like the cause but I do like the result. I wish that Crennel and Egoli would have done there job and pulled him prior to that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I don't think you can find anyone who was glad he was hurt, just glad he wouldn't be hurting the team any further.

I'm not lumping you in with this McLovin, but it's a very childish reaction from some people on here to get all aghast and act indignant towards the people who did cheer when Cassel went down. It is an inherently violent game and pretending otherwise is laughable.

I start to feel bad for Cassel being boo'd and just generally despised by the fanbase but then I remember that he is financially set for life from this one contract and doesn't ever have to work again. Then I don't really feel so bad for him anymore.

chief31
10-08-2012, 08:49 PM
Personally I cheered that Cassel went out of the game and hopefully out for the season (I didn't cheer that he got hurt there is a distinction here). I don't like that it took injury but I am very glad he is out. I don't at all like the cause but I do like the result. I wish that Crennel and Egoli would have done there job and pulled him prior to that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You DID cheer that he got hurt.

You have since tried to cover your tracks, and there is a bit of merit to that.

But.the reality is that you quite happy with the.injury.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 09:48 PM
You DID cheer that he got hurt.

You have since tried to cover your tracks, and there is a bit of merit to that.

But.the reality is that you quite happy with the.injury.

Never happy with the injury just happy with the result. Downright disgusted that it had to come to him getting hurt before he was replaced and even worse that Crennel is such a yes man that if Cassel is cleared to play this week or next week or the week after that he would be put in the game no matter what Quinn or anyone else has done. Not saying Quinn will do well just know that Cassel has no accountability for anything because Egoli overpaid for him and will never admit his mistake.

matthewschiefs
10-08-2012, 09:58 PM
Never happy with the injury just happy with the result. Downright disgusted that it had to come to him getting hurt before he was replaced and even worse that Crennel is such a yes man that if Cassel is cleared to play this week or next week or the week after that he would be put in the game no matter what Quinn or anyone else has done. Not saying Quinn will do well just know that Cassel has no accountability for anything because Egoli overpaid for him and will never admit his mistake.


You said you hoped he was hurt YOUR words


Hope he is hurt. I feel bad saying that but hope it puts him in IR.

Hard to say that you hope he is hurt and say you didn't want an injury.

McLovin
10-08-2012, 10:09 PM
You said you hoped he was hurt YOUR words



Hard to say that you hope he is hurt and say you didn't want an injury.

I did .. I wanted him him out ... I wanted him off the Chiefs .. this was after he was already hurt .. and already up and around. Find the post that I was hoping for a Cassel injury prior to it happening .. or find the post that I said that I hope he is hurt and isn't able to lead a normal life or I think he is a bad guy .. or any of that. Since he was hurt I said I hope he is hurt bad enough that he doesn't come back. Again I was cheering the result (that being Quinn coming in) and was and still hoping this means that Cassel will never suit up as a Chief again... for this I will never apologize. Spin it anyway you want ... I wish Matt a wonderful life with 60 million that he didn't earn but now it is time for him to go away.

matthewschiefs
10-08-2012, 10:20 PM
I did .. I wanted him him out ... I wanted him off the Chiefs .. this was after he was already hurt .. and already up and around. Find the post that I was hoping for a Cassel injury prior to it happening .. or find the post that I said that I hope he is hurt and isn't able to lead a normal life or I think he is a bad guy .. or any of that. Since he was hurt I said I hope he is hurt bad enough that he doesn't come back. Again I was cheering the result (that being Quinn coming in) and was and still hoping this means that Cassel will never suit up as a Chief again... for this I will never apologize. Spin it anyway you want ... I wish Matt a wonderful life with 60 million that he didn't earn but now it is time for him to go away.


It's hard to say that you hope someone is hurt and then say you're not happy with the injury IMO. You have the right to feel how you feel you have the right to your opinion and no one is going to ask you to apologize for your opinion but I have the right to say I disagree with your views and I think there wrong. I think you're wrong for saying that you hope a guy is hurt. That's my opinion Not saying you're a bad person just disagree with you on your viewpoint.

I to wanted Cassel benched I said so a number of times in the game thread. But I will never cheer or hope that any player is hurt before or after it happens. No matter how poorly they have played. I

70 chiefsfan70
10-09-2012, 08:47 AM
First off I hope and wish, and PRAY, and I really do and did pray for Cassels full recovery.

Now to Eric Winston, This guy is not the reason to stand up and say the things he did, it is extremely devisive and nothing short of a thing to turn attention away from his own under aCHIEFing start here at KC. Yes people did cheer, but clearly more and many more fans were watching JC cross the first down marker.People tend to keep their eye on the ball, just saying. Sure some cheered because Cassel was down, some cheered because of a bad case of frustration after the way he played, some spent hundreds of dollars to see a game and got the worst show you can imagine. But very few fans accually wanted to see Cassel or anyone get hurt. I do however believe 95 percent of the fans wanted to see a different qb, and that does NOT make anyone a bad person. I was at home and felt real bad about Cassel but did feel a huge excitement on knowing we would see someone else under center.

Winston is a new comer and has not played to his patential, and I'm sure feels badly for not having done his job and protected the QB , something all OL players want to do. I'm sure he was angry and hurt, and lashed out at ALL the fans when really it was just a small portion that acted foolishly.

Winston was the wrong guy to stand up and complain.

Now we and him the Chiefs are even more of the laughing stock. The Chiefs were already viewed as the clowns because of still having Cassel as their QB. No other team, and I mean no other team would have had Casssel as their starter.

Winston showed us all, he cares nothing about any of the fans, he put them all in the same catagory. He was wrong to speak up and even divide this team and the fan base more, because of his comments the Chiefs are a lesser team.

He is cutting off the hands that feed him.

Again I wish Cassel a quick and complete recovery, but hope he never gets under center in a Chiefs uniform.

The Chiefs were the JOKE of the NFL even before yesterdays game. That is all managment and coaching.

The Fans have to stand up and demand better.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

70 chiefsfan70
10-09-2012, 09:13 AM
I may add as well that the Chiefs Fans are the best and most loyal fans in the universe, well next to Al Qaeda and Hezbollah.

It has been 20 years since we won a playoff game and the stands are full on any and every game, sadly they tend to empty out by the beginning of the 4th quarter.

KristofLaw
10-09-2012, 09:27 AM
Connie, Chiefster and Chief 31 have said it well enough. I believe if you are happy a member of your favorite team has gone down with an injury whether you were drunk at the time or what, you seriously need to give your head a shake.

Even though we are behind in the standings there are better fans who are much younger that are watching your acts. I always loved the behavior of the Kansas City Chiefs fan base and know I will continue to no matter what.

And I admit I have made my mistakes in fan behavior at times but jeez, you know, c'mon already.

Chiefster
10-09-2012, 10:22 AM
Connie, Chiefster and Chief 31 have said it well enough. I believe if you are happy a member of your favorite team has gone down with an injury whether you were drunk at the time or what, you seriously need to give your head a shake.

Even though we are behind in the standings there are better fans who are much younger that are watching your acts. I always loved the behavior of the Kansas City Chiefs fan base and know I will continue to no matter what.

And I admit I have made my mistakes in fan behavior at times but jeez, you know, c'mon already.

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