Official Cheifs vs. Buccaneers Game Day Thread 10-14-12

[TopekaRoy]

Kansas City Chiefs (1-4)
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vs.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1-3)
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Sunday, October 14, Noon Central Time

at

Raymond James Stadium, Tampa Bay, FL
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on CBS
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Watch online: Kansas City Chiefs vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers Live Stream Online (http://thefirstrow.eu/watch/146687/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-tampa-bay-buccaneers.html)

[TopekaRoy]

Team Leaders
Chiefs
Offense:
Passing
Matt Cassel
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103-176, 1150 yds, 5 TDs, 9 INTs

Rushing
Jamaal Charles
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103 carries, 551 yds, 2 TDs

Receiving
Dwayne Bowe
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31 rec, 402 yds, 3 TDs

Defense:
Tackles
Derrick Johnson
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38 tackles (31 solo)

Sacks
Justin Houston
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6 sacks

Interceptions
Brandon Flowers
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2 INTs

Full team stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/stats)

[TopekaRoy]

Buccaneers
Offense:
Passing
Josh Freeman
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65-119, 754 yds, 5 TDs, 4 INTs

Rushing
Doug Martin
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71 carries, 247 yds, 1 TD

Receiving
Vincent Jackson
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16 rec, 304 yds, 2 TDs

Defense:
Tackles
Mason Foster
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37 tackles (32 solo)

Sacks
Michael Bennet
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4 sacks

Interceptions
Mason Foster. Aqib Talib, Ronde Barber,
Eric Wright, Brandon McDonald and Ahmad Black
1 INT each

Full Team Stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/tam/stats)

[TopekaRoy]

Notable Quotables
Chiefs: "I understand that there's a lot of disappointment out there and I'm disappointed as well. We're going to try to work to get it better. I still think that we have talent on the team, but the talent has to play better."

—Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel after his team went 1-3 to start the season.

Ravens: "It's not what my expectations would be." - Bucs RB Doug Martin.

Spread: Buccaneers by 4, Over/Under 40

Game Day Forecast: Mostly Sunny, 85 degrees

ESPN Preview
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Preview - October 14, 2012 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/nflpreview?gameId=321014027)

Though the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are off to a rough start, their current state still might not be as troubling as the one the Kansas City Chiefs find themselves in.

With backup Brady Quinn prepared to make his first start in almost three years, the visiting Chiefs look to avoid a third consecutive loss while trying to hand the rested Buccaneers a fourth straight defeat Sunday.

After winning three of its final five games to salvage a 7-9 record last year and with key contributors Jamal Charles, Matt Cassel and Eric Berry healthy to open this season, Kansas City expected to start strong in 2012. However, the Chiefs have committed a league-high 19 turnovers in their 1-4 start, Cassel has a meager 66.2 passer rating and the defense has allowed 29.0 points per contest.

"This team needs to do more things to win," coach Romeo Crennel said. "That's what we're going to work on, try to get this team to do more of the right things so that we can win."

Things hit a low late in last Sunday's 9-6 loss to Baltimore when a portion of the Chiefs' home crowd cheered as Cassel laid on the ground after a hit from Ravens' defensive tackle Haloti Ngata. Kansas City offensive lineman Eric Winston called the cheering "100-percent sickening," but it demonstrated the frustration of one of the NFL's most loyal fan bases.

The Chiefs must find a way to get back on track with Quinn under center, as Cassel was ruled out against the Bucs after suffering a concussion versus Baltimore. In his first regular season action since he started and beat Kansas City while with Cleveland on Dec. 20, 2009, Quinn went 3 for 3 for 32 yards and led the Chiefs to a fourth quarter field goal last Sunday.

The 22nd overall pick in 2007 completed a pass to Dwayne Bowe for a go-ahead touchdown in that series, but it was called back due to a penalty.

"It felt great to be out there," said Quinn, who has completed 52.5 percent of his passes for 1,934 yards with 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions while starting 12 of his 15 career games. "Matt is our starter and I just prepare every week like I am a starter, and I prepare myself for the moment."

That moment will be now, but all the pressure likely won't be on Quinn.

A Chiefs defense that had allowed least 24 points in each of its first four contests hopes to build on Sunday's effort when it limited Baltimore to three field goals.

"If we will play like that going forward, we give ourselves a chance to win the game," Crennel said.

Charles continues to be one of the few bright spots, rushing for a league-high 551 yards on 102 carries with two TDs while also catching 15 passes for 118 yards and a score. He gained 106 yards on 18 rushes during the Chiefs' 30-27 overtime home victory over Tampa Bay on Nov. 2, 2008.

The Buccaneers (1-3) have lost their last three games by a combined 15 points since a season-opening 16-10 victory over Carolina. While Kansas City might be struggling with its collective confidence, Tampa Bay feels confident coming out of its bye week.

"You know what's great about this team is everybody's so encouraged. Nobody's down," defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.

While the team's overall optimism is refreshing, the Buccaneers need to be more consistent.

Tampa Bay has scored 34 and 22 points in games this season, but also failed to total 20 in two others. Josh Freeman threw for 110 yards during a 16-10 loss at Dallas on Sept. 23, but had 299 while he helped the Bucs erase an 18-point deficit before falling 24-22 at home to Washington on Sept. 30.

High-priced free-agent acquisition Vincent Jackson caught six passes for 100 yards with a TD against the Redskins, his second 100-yard game in the last three. The former San Diego Charger, however, has averaged 63.8 receiving yards and scored three TDs in his last 10 games versus Kansas City.

Defensively, Tampa Bay ranks 27th allowing 419.0 yards per contest but has yielded only three second-half field goals in its last two games.

"You look at us on tape, and you say: `Wow.' It's a play here or a play there," offensive tackle Donald Penn said. "It's going to come ... because it's right there."

Tampa Bay has won the last three meetings with Kansas City by a combined 13 points.

[TopekaRoy]

Sorry, this is so late. I forgot to do it last night!

Anyway, I think the Chiefs can win this one, even with Brady Quinn under center!

[#58ChiefsFan]

Quinnsanity

[matthewschiefs]

Go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KCraised]

I think the Chiefs got this one. Gonna be goooooooooood....

[Bike]

No turnovers please.
Chiefs!!!!!!!!

[iratefan]

meh - special teams not helping out from the get go. that field position is already giving away 3 points.

[nigeriannightmare]

No we get a penalty and they still almost block the punt.

[matthewschiefs]

Pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iratefan]

damn houstan making a huge name for himself this season. that pic looked like a flowers move.

[Bike]

Houston is a flat out stud.

[loyalchief91]

Houston is a beast.

[alexim58]

Can we already call J. Houston a 3rd. Round steal?

He's playing very very well ..

[matthewschiefs]

Can we already call J. Houston a 3rd. Round steal?

He's playing very very well ..

I think we can IMO his pick makes up for the reach to get tyson

[matthewschiefs]

Man Baldwin almost had that

[iratefan]

that was generous placement. running every play isnt going to get it done.

[iratefan]

that was a good read by quinn! pressure came immediately. i think he saw it comin witht he lb sneaking up.

[iratefan]

YES! these quick slant routes are how you get it done against the blitz! makes them think twice about bringing big pressure every down.

[matthewschiefs]

DAMNIT cassel oh wait

[Bike]

Can't turn the ball over and win.

[matthewschiefs]

That pass should have been caught qb can't do much more then what he did there

[loyalchief91]

Another great drive. Another turnover.

[iratefan]

wtf happened there? that ball hit the damn numbers on the chest....

[fairladyZ]

same thing that been happening to cassel now happening to quinn.. these guys get paid to catch the damn ball!! COMON!

[Bike]

Who missed the catch?

[KCraised]

Was a good drive. Oh well, alot more game to go. 20th turnover. Good grief

[matthewschiefs]

same thing that been happening to cassel now happening to quinn.. these guys get paid to catch the damn ball!! COMON!

Yep changeing the QB doesn't mean the wrs will all of a sudden be able to catch the ball

[alexim58]

That pass should have been caught qb can't do much more then what he did there

That pass hits Maneri's Numbers .. but Quinn make the tackle .. He's showing DESIRE

[kcnation]

these guys have to start catching the ball,our recievers are making our qb's look bad every week

[iratefan]

That pass hits Maneri's Numbers .. but Quinn make the tackle .. He's showing DESIRE

not only did he make the tackle he went for the strip! honed in like a rocket. i like that.

[matthewschiefs]

Good job by the defense

[iratefan]

no special teams blocking, as per usual. arenas looking pissed about it as usual.

[Lewis_Chiefs]

Hope this isn't another case of our defence keeping us in the game until the 4th whilst our offence doesn't put up points.

[alexim58]

not only did he make the tackle he went for the strip! honed in like a rocket. i like that.

Maybe Quinn isn't that bad neither that great so far .. but at least makes the team looks like a TEAM .. He is trying to play his best and that makes looks our QB what we need a solid player.

[iratefan]

droughn showing some good moves, but of course it doesnt come without a holding call. what are we the ****ing raiders?

[iratefan]

****ing losers! you cant just run your way out of trouble in the endzone, hit some quick routes! now your oppportunities are wasted. its all or nothing here

holy lchrist if there was any evidence of the spinal material of crennel, that was it right there. spineless playcalling.

[matthewschiefs]

UGGG anther 3 and out

[DLB45424]

OMG stop running every freaking down

[matthewschiefs]

Are we trying to get a safty?

[alexim58]

Droughn got the 1st down .. Winston screw this drive ..
Now Colquitt need to BOOM a punt !

[loyalchief91]

We are just not a good team. I thought we would be, but we aren't.

[Lewis_Chiefs]

I'm getting sick of this play calling on offense, show some ambition and throw the ball on 3rd and 9.

[kcnation]

too many penalties to win games,where is the disapline from the coaching staff

[iratefan]

I'm getting sick of this play calling on offense, show some ambition and throw the ball on 3rd and 9.


THIS!!! but unfortunately crennel's philosophy on football is that 'anythign can go wrong on any given play'. thats right NO yards is better than negative yards! no wonder we're not winning games.

[alexim58]

I'm getting sick of this play calling on offense, show some ambition and throw the ball on 3rd and 9.

Maybe today we will realize that our OC is lame too .. he got a QB able to strech the field. I understand that Cassel doesn't posses a rocket arm but Quinn owns a good one. Dabol needs to strech the field .. he got a QB able to do it.

[matthewschiefs]

This is what happens when you shoot yourself in the foot time and time again

[alexim58]

F*ck Routt miss the 1st tackle and Kendrick loss the 2nd.!

[iratefan]

wtf i go to the microwave for one second... and i miss a td pass?

gee i guess downfield passes can produce points. who knew!

[kcnation]

that was just a hell of a catch,can't really do anything about that

[Bike]

Are we EVER going to lead in a game?

[loyalchief91]

Oh well it was only a matter of time before we let them score a touchdown. it's the usual with this team.

[alexim58]

that was just a hell of a catch,can't really do anything about that

Agree it was a good pass but Routt miss that tackle so badly ..

[Bike]

Dabol is a ahol.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Are we EVER going to lead in a game?

Magic 8 ball says "not likely"

[matthewschiefs]

that was just a hell of a catch,can't really do anything about that

That's something we don't see out of our WRS. I think we are finally seeing that we have more problems then Matt Cassel at QB right now like COACHING that's been the biggest problem with this team right now

[nigeriannightmare]

Tell me why other receivers make tough catches...:..

[kcnation]

I'm getting sick of this play calling on offense, show some ambition and throw the ball on 3rd and 9.



this OC was horrible in cleveland thats why they got rid of him

[#58ChiefsFan]

That's something we don't see out of our WRS. I think we are finally seeing that we have more problems then Matt Cassel at QB right now like COACHING that's been the biggest problem with this team right now

We already knew that was the biggest problem, the excuses for the staff are being stripped away now.

[iratefan]

That's something we don't see out of our WRS. I think we are finally seeing that we have more problems then Matt Cassel at QB right now like COACHING that's been the biggest problem with this team right now


Ive supported this since the start of the season. matt cassel is not the guy you can just rest your hopes on. he needs too much work! he needs to be coached and corrected and properly groomed.

but that still doesnt fix the missed tackles, the lousy blocking, the perpetual holding, the miserably defeatist playcalling, etc.

these guys dont have a winner's mind set.

at least with haley i knew wed go for a gamble every now n then.

[alexim58]

Tell me why other receivers make tough catches...:..

IMO because even D.Bowe is a good WR he got an Issue for dropping easy balls.

J. Baldwin hadn't be able to get a true shot at WR2 .. and sometimes he try to get the "magic" catch instead get the easy catch.

And this season so far our TE's are almost non existence

[kcnation]

another drop

[kcnation]

hey it took my hometown boy to finally catch one

[iratefan]

omg play actionz!?

[Lewis_Chiefs]

omg play actionz!?

We need to do this more often especially against an awful Bucs pass defence.

[rodu]

loosing Boss was huge for this offense

[iratefan]

ok bowe had a frekain good catch there. that had my heart stoppin.

[iratefan]

see how play action opens up some holes? now bucs arent exactly sure where its going. opportunities are created yay.

[iratefan]

wow we just got rejected wtf.

[kcnation]

looks like he got it

[iratefan]

go for it spineless!

[matthewschiefs]

Go for it

[Bike]

Who is Eachus?

[kcnation]

nice looking drive here if they don't screw it up

[rodu]

Who is Eachus?

a FB/RB

[iratefan]

piss poor playcalling.

[kcnation]

Who is Eachus?



from my hometown here in PA,from colgate

[fairladyZ]

i swear to god if we don't start taking shots at the endzone i'm going to freak out... everyone knows our playcalling already!!

[matthewschiefs]

And we have to settle for 3 yet again

[Bike]

a FB/RB
thanks. but i knew that much.

[kcnation]

another FG

[iratefan]

pfff - quinns not stupid. announcer saying 'trust your protection' - not a freaking chance. he sees how beatup cassel is after every game.

[matthewschiefs]

i swear to god if we don't start taking shots at the endzone i'm going to freak out... everyone knows our playcalling already!!

It's pretty easy to tell what we are doing HAVE to change it up some

[Bike]

Cannot buy a td in the first half of any game. Sad.

[kcnation]

now lets see if we can get a turnover

[#58ChiefsFan]

i swear to god if we don't start taking shots at the endzone i'm going to freak out... everyone knows our playcalling already!!

Stout run D and a bad pass D

Daboll is a genius game planner

YOU'RE 1 and 4 THROW THE ****ING BALL!

[rodu]

I hears we offered Piolli a 2 year extension
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[rodu]

never heard of an illegal wedge

[matthewschiefs]

If we can get a turnover here that would be HUGE

[Lewis_Chiefs]

About Daboll I just read that as an NFL offensive coordinator his teams have ranked 32nd (2009) 29th (2010) and 20th (2011) in offence.

I think we're seeing first hand why he has never been an effective OC in the nfl.

[matthewschiefs]

never heard of an illegal wedge

All wedges are now illegal it's one of the rule changes that they have made in the last few years

[rodu]

All wedges are now illegal it's one of the rule changes that they have made in the last few years

someone must really have it in for kick offs

[matthewschiefs]

Right now there WRS are making plays ours are not

[rodu]

lets see a big play from Mr Houston here

[fairladyZ]

if tampa bay scores here we are in deep trouble. If tampa is allowed to pin their ears back and come after quinn we are going to be seeing what we have been seeing with cassel aswell.

It's the mentality of this team and coaches we don't ahve the killer instinct and play to keep the game close which has NOT worked for us.

[loyalchief91]

Mike Williams killing us

[kcnation]

our d-backs are really having trouble this year

[loyalchief91]

CBs are terrible today.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Mike Williams killing us

Romeo is killing us too

[matthewschiefs]

REAL lucky there that should have been a td for tampa This might be a game of who gives it away more both teams are making big mistakes

[kcnation]

i mean these guys are wide open

[#58ChiefsFan]

Routt has a one year contract right?

[Bike]

Routt sucks.

[loyalchief91]

Not liking what I'm seeing

[kcnation]

CBs are terrible today.



d-backs have been bad all year

[matthewschiefs]

3rd and 7 COME ON D get them off the field

[matthewschiefs]

Again got luck that they didn't make that catch

[#58ChiefsFan]

Cassel > Freeman

[matthewschiefs]

MISSED IT

Now we have great field position LETS GET THE FREAKING LEAD HERE take some shots COME ON

[kcnation]

now we should have great field position so lets do something with it

[loyalchief91]

Well they didn't score. Good job D.

[iratefan]

i think, from 55 yards out, its more impressive to hit the uprights than it is to put it through them. *applauds*

[#58ChiefsFan]

Come on now make that the momentum changer

Throw the ball

[matthewschiefs]

They no what we are going to do before we do it. SAD very sad

[iratefan]

charles is not a workhorse runner. hes going to get injured with poor play execution like that.

[loyalchief91]

Playcalling so predictable.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Who wants to go in on a fire Daboll banner? <end sarcasm> kinda

[loyalchief91]

I think next year we just need to start all over again.

[iratefan]

"quinn did not like what he was looking at" basically a barrage of 7 bucs all gunning for his head? with a pocket that folds faster than a cheap umbrella no freakin wonder.

[Bike]

I think next year we just need to start all over again.
We're use to doing that....

[Bike]

"quinn did not like what he was looking at" basically a barrage of 7 bucs all gunning for his head? with a pocket that folds faster than a cheap umbrella no freakin wonder.
At least he had sense enough to call a time out.

[iratefan]

cant even get enough protection for the receivers to make it 15 yards down the field. no wonder all we do is run.

[#58ChiefsFan]

Good play fellas

[Lewis_Chiefs]

That's going to be a touchback.

[matthewschiefs]

Guess we got a make up call from last week there

[matthewschiefs]

Biggest need is to change up this playcalling. Any offense is going to struggle if the D knows what you're going to do over and over again

[SIC J]

Biggest need is to change up this playcalling. Any offense is going to struggle if the D knows what you're going to do over and over again

Hate to say it but I called it. Play calling got super conservative with Quinn. No surprise there!

[loyalchief91]

Game over.

[fairladyZ]

weird tampa made adjustments and lights us up.. you think we will return the favor or regress?

survey says

[matthewschiefs]

Well at least we can't lose next week

[iratefan]

only the chiefs can make a successful blitz turn into a 45 yard allowed screen play. and then let up another td - weve given up. seems like a pattern.

[matthewschiefs]

Can someone please explain how we can stop a good ravens offense last week but let Tampa come out and make our d look like the JV defense

[iratefan]

o line still feels completely lack luster. no edge blocking. making charles look noobish.

[matthewschiefs]

Finally some no huddle

[MissingTBone]

Our game planning and play calling has to be worst in the league. Someone please make sure that Dabol isn't really Herm Edwards in mask.....

[matthewschiefs]

You have got to be kidding me well theres always 5 years from now

[iratefan]

can we call mccluster just not a good WR yet? too many drops, very little ball security.

i liked his role a lot more as a running back.

[loyalchief91]

Another blowout. Oh joy.

[matthewschiefs]

can we call mccluster just not a good WR yet? too many drops, very little ball security.

Mccluster showed he can be really good out of the backfield why we don't use him there I have no clue just shows how poorly this coaching staff is right now

[matthewschiefs]

I don't think there's enough to overturn that there guy just made a play ours didn't

[iratefan]

is this why cassel just throws to bowe exclusively? theres always the height thing too. mccluster just a couple feet too short to catch an avg cassel pass.

[MissingTBone]

Nothing like making a 50 year old player look like he's in his prime!!

[Sick Dog]

Great now we are ahead of the Bucs for a better pick which better be one of the top QBs...this is so painful...

[iratefan]

back to handoff failure? is this now a lack of confidence in quinn or the WR's?

[iratefan]

coaching abortion. another up-the-gut run on 3rd and short. after doing that 10 times or more it gets a little obvious.

[matthewschiefs]

Down 18 but lets just keep giveing up on 3rd down.

[Lewis_Chiefs]

Throw the f*cking ball on 3rd down, turnovers happen but it should not stop future passing plays on 3rd down especially when were 21-3 behind.

[loyalchief91]

Just a team full of losers

[SIC J]

It's all Cassel's fault!!! LOL

[nigeriannightmare]

This is the worst coaching staff in the nfl.....the worst. It's 100% on the coaches.

[MissingTBone]

Can we please lock Dabiol up with a 5 yr extension?? His play calling is second to none.

[loyalchief91]

Worst coaches. Worst GM. Worse owner. And worse football team.

[kcnation]

lets face it,we have a really bad football team.....i don't know where to go first but we need to revamp this whole team and coaching staff

[fairladyZ]

it's obvious that this team is nowhere close to winning and i don't think it's the players.

Doesn't matter who the hell we have at QB. Cassel in my opinion is a good QB, Quinn is serviceable backup and both are made to look worse than they are by this organization.

This offense with our weapons you could call a ferrari, and doesn't matter who the QB is they are going to tell him to get in and drive to the speed limit and obey all traffic laws and don't rev it up. Instead of just handing matt cassel the keys and saying go ****ing get a win!

People that think we are going to draft a QB and all our nightmares are over are high on crack. It will just be the same damn thing. Probably the reason manning wanted nothing to do with KC cause he knew he wouldn't be given the keys and freedom he wanted.. Ridiculous.. I was way against blowing this team back up and restarting but now it's looking like it may be the only option.

[MissingTBone]

This is the worst coaching staff in the nfl.....the worst. It's 100% on the coaches.

I think this is the worst run team top to bottom in the league. I love the Chiefs, wish the loving would come back to us fans. Oh wait..... It will once Pioli signs that 2 yr extension!!

[reded]

I thought Herms teams were terrible but I believe this one has them beat. This team is awful as well as an embarrassment to the city and the fans.

[iratefan]

anyone see coverage confusion on that screen? turning a safety into a 1st down + breathing room.

embarrassinggggg

[ctchiefsfan]

Stop them here!

[nfl rob]

Brutal game again. Owners really need to stop and take a good look. Im happy for Tony G for leaving and at least being on a contender

[marloweopatchiefs]

Pioli never signed the extention to the guy complaing about pioli...the ectension came eqrly this season...not recently...said hunt will pull that offer off tje shelf.

[matthewschiefs]

Is Bowe even active today? And people wonder why we didn't give him the money he wanted

[iratefan]

how many backfield tackled rushes are we going to suffer before we just let quinn start SLINGING!?

[iratefan]

that was a poor target selection. he came back too far for the first down anyway.

[MissingTBone]

Pioli never signed the extention to the guy complaing about pioli...the ectension came eqrly this season...not recently...said hunt will pull that offer off tje shelf.

I would hope the offer got pulled, but I read they were squabbling over buyout money. They should buy that contract out the second the season is over.

[KCraised]

Who is this football team??? These guys are lost

[iratefan]

Is Bowe even active today? And people wonder why we didn't give him the money he wanted

Bowe, moeaki, mccluster, charles... chiefs do a great job of marginalizing some serious offensive weapons.

[marloweopatchiefs]

Pioli wont be extended

[drstandley31]

it's like watching a bad college game.

[MissingTBone]

Our coaches once again do not have these players prepared to play football. On a better note. I'm glad the KC game is blacked out here in TB so I'm watching a pretty good Faiders/Falcons game.

[matthewschiefs]

Finally something goes right

[SIC J]

How many of you were asking for Quinn??? Well you got him! How is that working out for you guys???

[AkChief49]

block punt!!!!!

[iratefan]

a ST abortion that wasnt ours? cool...

[MissingTBone]

Pioli wont be extended

When does his current contract run out?

[iratefan]

How many of you were asking for Quinn??? Well you got him! How is that working out for you guys???


I am NOT missing cassel if thats what you mean.

[2010chiefs]

if we score. We still have a chance.

[fairladyZ]

How many of you were asking for Quinn??? Well you got him! How is that working out for you guys???

You know i'm a cassel believer. But im not naive and agree he needs to pick it up and play better.

And i'm glad that he didn't play this week and rested cause i wanted to see if this team looked any different with brady just to see if maybe it was cassel as i've expected his whole tenure in KC that it wasn't.

And it's not cassel, it's not the QB postion it's how the QB position is being handled and handcuffed.

[MissingTBone]

I'll admit I thought it was a good idea to see what he can do for us as Cassel sucks. Gotta give him at least a couple games to shake 2 years of rust off IMO.

[iratefan]

whatever im way more confident watching quinn throw a ball vs mat cassel's accuracy, or lack thereof. quinns been doing what hes been asked to do. Its become apparent that its the gameplan thats ****ed.

[2010chiefs]

coaches have to do something with this. Better play calling. D needs to tighten up. Go chiefs!

[fairladyZ]

you could give him 32 games to shake off the rust and it wouldn't change man. It's NOT the QB's we have on this team.. Cassel didn't suck in NE after how many years of rust? Cassel didn't suck with weis controlling the offense for most a season.

It's not the QB's on this team it's the Team micro managing the QB's.

[fairladyZ]

whatever im way more confident watching quinn throw a ball vs mat cassel's accuracy, or lack thereof. quinns been doing what hes been asked to do. Its become apparent that its the gameplan thats ****ed.

His accuracy? He's thrown behind bowe 2 times, high for dexter and baldwin. I'm not faulting the guy but he's making the same damn throws as cassel but he gets a pass?

Only difference i've seen is matt doesn't throw behind bowe.

[SIC J]

I'll admit I thought it was a good idea to see what he can do for us as Cassel sucks. Gotta give him at least a couple games to shake 2 years of rust off IMO.

Shake off 2 years of rust? You mean 5? Cuz he's been rusty since he came into the NFL. LOL

[matthewschiefs]

Story of the game right there. Tampa has guys who have made plays we don't

[ctchiefsfan]

Oh Jeez!

[iratefan]

ive never seen a corner back play defense by volleyball bumping a football into the air before.

[MissingTBone]

you could give him 32 games to shake off the rust and it wouldn't change man. It's NOT the QB's we have on this team.. Cassel didn't suck in NE after how many years of rust? Cassel didn't suck with weis controlling the offense for most a season.

It's not the QB's on this team it's the Team micro managing the QB's.

You may be right, but that has nothing to do with his inaccuracies passing the ball, or turning it over. I'm by no means saying Quinn is the answer, but I'm saying we should give him a bit of a chance considering how many Cassel has been given.

[loyalchief91]

wow.

[chief31]

Story of the game right there. Tampa has guys who have made plays we don't

Story of our season is receivers batting away passes to defenders.

[ctchiefsfan]

Oh for God's sake! We get a TD then they march right down the field WTF?

[2010chiefs]

routt getting eaten up today. Seems like every week.

[loyalchief91]

Need a TD on this drive.

[iratefan]

His accuracy? He's thrown behind bowe 2 times, high for dexter and baldwin. I'm not faulting the guy but he's making the same damn throws as cassel but he gets a pass?

Only difference i've seen is matt doesn't throw behind bowe.


we're clearly not watching the same game. when he has a target to throw to, hes far more consistently on target than cassel. he also doesnt require his receivers to jump 5 feet into the air and risk life and limb to make the catch.

if this is a quinn loss, how are we explaining getting absolutely stuffed in the run game? how can we explain voer 2:1 time of possession stats in first half and still be down 7-3?

quinn isnt an 'answer' to this teams glaring issues, but **** man he looks better than matt cassel imo.

[MissingTBone]

Shake off 2 years of rust? You mean 5? Cuz he's been rusty since he came into the NFL. LOL

Lmao, lest we forget where he played (or attempted to) Tom Brady wouldn't look like himself on Cleveland. Like I said I'm not saying he's the answer but give him the same chance Cassel got.

[#58ChiefsFan]

You know i'm a cassel believer. But im not naive and agree he needs to pick it up and play better.

And i'm glad that he didn't play this week and rested cause i wanted to see if this team looked any different with brady just to see if maybe it was cassel as i've expected his whole tenure in KC that it wasn't.

And it's not cassel, it's not the QB postion it's how the QB position is being handled and handcuffed.


100% agree

[chief31]

we're clearly not watching the same game. when he has a target to throw to, hes far more consistently on target than cassel. he also doesnt require his receivers to jump 5 feet into the air and risk life and limb to make the catch.

if this is a quinn loss, how are we explaining getting absolutely stuffed in the run game? how can we explain voer 2:1 time of possession stats in first half and still be down 7-3?

quinn isnt an 'answer' to this teams glaring issues, but **** man he looks better than matt cassel imo.

you are watching the same game, just through your "blame Cassel" goggles.

[iratefan]

defensive gameplan vs chiefs;

show blitz.
blitz.
oline folds.
win.

blitzed every down on that play and we didnt get a single yard.

[SIC J]

we're clearly not watching the same game. when he has a target to throw to, hes far more consistently on target than cassel. he also doesnt require his receivers to jump 5 feet into the air and risk life and limb to make the catch.

if this is a quinn loss, how are we explaining getting absolutely stuffed in the run game? how can we explain voer 2:1 time of possession stats in first half and still be down 7-3?

quinn isnt an 'answer' to this teams glaring issues, but **** man he looks better than matt cassel imo.

It's pretty simple. Quinn has proven NOTHING in 5 years in the NFL. No team fears his arm. Concentrate on the run and stuff it.

With Cassel in, teams know he can and will throw the ball. A lot more proven. It opens up the run.

It's football, not rocket science. LOL

[iratefan]

you are watching the same game, just through your "blame Cassel" goggles.

youre the best.

no Chief31, if youre going to 'call foul' against me - at least let the comment stand. dont mod it to something stupid that doesnt even make sense.

let me make myself more clear then.

If youve bothered to use your eyes and brain long enough to read any of the history of my posts, youd know that im rather neutral against Cassel. but its clear that youre simply trolling for a retort.

[2010chiefs]

this offense is pathetic. Coaches are too. Every game is a letdown.

[matthewschiefs]

we're clearly not watching the same game. when he has a target to throw to, hes far more consistently on target than cassel. he also doesnt require his receivers to jump 5 feet into the air and risk life and limb to make the catch.

if this is a quinn loss, how are we explaining getting absolutely stuffed in the run game? how can we explain voer 2:1 time of possession stats in first half and still be down 7-3?

quinn isnt an 'answer' to this teams glaring issues, but **** man he looks better than matt cassel imo.

The results are just the same as they were when Cassel was in there. The wrs have balls hitting them in the hands and somehow it ends up going to the defense. That didn't change today. At some point here you have to start looking at others outside of Cassel. You look at the plays there Wrs have made and what ours have done. It's no contest. There wrs are able to make plays even on not perfect throws why can't ours. Isn't Bowe suppose to be one of the best in the NFL. What 1 catch today. You can't tell me that's top wr play. Cassel has his share of blame so does Quinn today but today is a wake up call there's more wrong then Matt Cassel the results are the same. NOT GOOD.

[fairladyZ]

You may be right, but that has nothing to do with his inaccuracies passing the ball, or turning it over. I'm by no means saying Quinn is the answer, but I'm saying we should give him a bit of a chance considering how many Cassel has been given.

you could put any QB in the league behind our line and it wouldn't change. This organization is handcuffing the players at this point. Our QB's have the shortest leash in the league and it shows. I'm now a firm believer that is why peyton didn't even come to KC for a visit and ruled them out instantly. We had the money and we have the weapons for him and he wouldn't even look over our way. And it's cause he knows this organization will not let him run the team.

If this organization goes thru the rest of this season like this and has a top 10 pick and picks a QB it will be the biggest mistake since the last 1st round QB we took. This organization has to change, cassel can lead this team he has proved it. i'm fine with cassel if we fix the philosophy of this team.

At this point i think the whole staff needs to be blown up again. And it pains me to say it cause i don't want to do it and i'm so against it but it's just evident that is what needs to happen at this point in time. I didn't want the romeo hire cause i knew his philosophy and how timid he is and how he will lay down to authority. Don't know if it's pioli or romeo but it's got to change. If it's pioli he has to go to.

[iratefan]

It's pretty simple. Quinn has proven NOTHING in 5 years in the NFL. No team fears his arm. Concentrate on the run and stuff it.

With Cassel in, teams know he can and will throw the ball. A lot more proven. It opens up the run.

It's football, not rocket science. LOL

Yes teams know cassel can and will (over)throw the ball. they should also know that bowe is the only receiver he even looks at.

I dont give a **** if they just brought quinn out of highschool ball. The guys not going to prove **** when the bucs have learned all they need to do is blitz each down and they have free range on the qb.

when he HAS the time to pass... he seems to be more accurate than cassel.

but he hasnt been given much of a chance to show anything has he? with all the failed run play calling and failed blitz coverage.

[reded]

That's what happens when you hire the coaches from a team who is perennially $hittee. We're the Browns from 4 years ago.

[ctchiefsfan]

OH JEEZ! Personal foul..............

[loyalchief91]

Yay! Another blowout. This team is ****ing pathetic

[SIC J]

Yes teams know cassel can and will (over)throw the ball. they should also know that bowe is the only receiver he even looks at.

I dont give a **** if they just brought quinn out of highschool ball. The guys not going to prove **** when the bucs have learned all they need to do is blitz each down and they have free range on the qb.

when he HAS the time to pass... he seems to be more accurate than cassel.

but he hasnt been given much of a chance to show anything has he? with all the failed run play calling and failed blitz coverage.

ANY qb with "time" is going to be accurate. LOL

[gcsofa]

Does any of our guys want to play football. To me, it looks as if they have given up on the season.

[fairladyZ]

i really don't think brady has looked bad. I think he could still be a decent QB in this league given the right situation. But i see no difference between him and cassel that most people rip into it's sad. I think they are about equal on accuracy. matt will throw it around more and stand in the pocket a little firmer.

[iratefan]

ANY qb with "time" is going to be accurate. LOL

my argument is that cassel's accuracy this season with time has been inconsistent at best (i think thats a kind way of describing it).

if he coul dhave managed to play the rest of the season the way he did the first half against atlanta, hed certainly have my full faith and respect by now.

[gcsofa]

Our team lacks football basic fundamentals......play calling (coaches), tackeling, blocking, basic pass coverage (wide open receivers!).

[MissingTBone]

The team has no direction, the coaching is horrible. ESP when we can't even hang with a 1 win team!

[KCraised]

1st rd overall draft pick comin up...

[Eydugstr]

1st rd overall draft pick comin up...

Please let this be the explanation for days like today and the many more that will follow.

[Lewis_Chiefs]

Is it already time to look ahead to the draft ??? Now we certainly have no chance of making the playoffs I honestly wouldn't be too bothered if we got 2 or 3 wins and got the first overall pick, Geno Smith could be our franchise QB.

[MissingTBone]

Whiff for Smith??

[fairladyZ]

we don't need to be drafting a QB cause we'll be in the same boat!

Can we draft a new front office?

[Bike]

we don't need to be drafting a QB cause we'll be in the same boat!

Can we draft a new front office?

Pioli needs to hit the road.

[KCraised]

I cant believe how the chiefs played today. It sickens me, it sickens me. Disgusting

[chief31]

While the results of the game did suck, it sure is nice to see that the problems are finally being noticed since Cassel was not out there to take any and all blame.

Quinn.did alright. He had the same problem as Cassel.... Ridiculous.mistakes by his teammates.

1-5....... Wow.

[drstandley31]

We have two guys that have been rejected from the Cleveland Browns, that are now our OC, DC, & HC! You can continue to find reasons why this team is so bad, with so many quality players, but in the end, it becomes easy to see.

[KCraised]

Cassel was a big part. It was supposed to be a start. Plenty of blame to go around, still

[matthewschiefs]

While the results of the game did suck, it sure is nice to see that the problems are finally being noticed since Cassel was not out there to take any and all blame.

Quinn.did alright. He had the same problem as Cassel.... Ridiculous.mistakes by his teammates.

1-5....... Wow.

Oh come on Cassel did NOTHING Today Nothing. it's all his fault. If he did something maybe Bowe would have had more then 1 catch. This is all on cassel. ALL On him how can you excuse him? It was like he wasn't even on the field :drunkhb:

[chief31]

Oh come on Cassel did NOTHING Today Nothing. it's all his fault. If he did something maybe Bowe would have had more then 1 catch. This is all on cassel. ALL On him how can you excuse him? It was like he wasn't even on the field :drunkhb:

As funny as that is, I guarantee that he is being blamed, because he was not on the field, by somebody, somewhere.

[matthewschiefs]

As funny as that is, I guarantee that he is being blamed, because he was not on the field, by somebody, somewhere.

Sadly that's the truth. They just can't go on living without hating on Matt Cassel on a sunday

[Isawa_mo]

The Cassel defending is as much of a :beat_DeadHorse: as the bashing. There are other problems on the team. I think the more rational people here have said that. Just because there are other problems too, does not give him a pass. If you are arguing that Cassel is good because Quinn did no better (a guy who could not even play in place of Tebow last year), your standard for quality QB play is misguided at best.

Admitting there are other problems, which many folks that are wanting a QB change have done, does not change him needing replaced after this year.

I am still wanting a new HC at the very least and would not mind if Hunt pulled the plug on Pioli, also. Realistically, I know all three are not going to happen. The best I can hope for? Pioli gets his power pulled a bit by Hunt and he finds a coach that he can give some of that power to. I think the next coach hire should actually be made by Hunt (doubtful). Hire the guy, tell Pioli he has to work with him not over him. The new coach is in charge of picking what he deems as the best QB in the draft. Looking at the way we are going today, probably any QB he wants. Does that mean other personnel changes do not need to happen? NO. More needs to be done.

Should Bowe be offered a contract? NO!! Draft another WR. Make it a burner. We are so hand tied with no down field threat. I could go on and on. Some of the problems may work themselves out. The O-Line is not working yet, but they do tend to improve with time. The more they work together the better they tend to get.

[Bike]

Josh Freeman torched our secondary. That's a problem that needs addressed, and soon.

[matthewschiefs]

The Cassel defending is as much of a :beat_DeadHorse: as the bashing. There are other problems on the team. I think the more rational people here have said that. Just because there are other problems too, does not give him a pass. If you are arguing that Cassel is good because Quinn did no better (a guy who could not even play in place of Tebow last year), your standard for quality QB play is misguided at best.

Admitting there are other problems, which many folks that are wanting a QB change have done, does not change him needing replaced after this year.


No one on here is saying that gives Cassel a "free pass" What us "defending Cassel" are doing is not giving everyone else a free pass unlike some. Where are the threads calling out D Bowe? He has games like today where he just doesn't show up. You hardly know that he's on the field. Where is the post to hate on Bowe? Have you seen them? I haven't. Instead what do we here. "if we had a real qb" "the 60 million dollar mistake" OVER AND OVER again. Now we saw a different QB. I admit last week I wanted a change. We got it and still have the SAME issues as when Cassel was in there. If we can get a better qb then Cassel GO FOR IT. I'm always for the better QB. But to see blind hate for a guy on THIS TEAM from OUR fans is just so disappointing.

[chief31]

The Cassel defending is as much of a :beat_DeadHorse: as the bashing. There are other problems on the team. I think the more rational people here have said that. Just because there are other problems too, does not give him a pass. If you are arguing that Cassel is good because Quinn did no better (a guy who could not even play in place of Tebow last year), your standard for quality QB play is misguided at best.

Admitting there are other problems, which many folks that are wanting a QB change have done, does not change him needing replaced after this year.

I am still wanting a new HC at the very least and would not mind if Hunt pulled the plug on Pioli, also. Realistically, I know all three are not going to happen. The best I can hope for? Pioli gets his power pulled a bit by Hunt and he finds a coach that he can give some of that power to. I think the next coach hire should actually be made by Hunt (doubtful). Hire the guy, tell Pioli he has to work with him not over him. The new coach is in charge of picking what he deems as the best QB in the draft. Looking at the way we are going today, probably any QB he wants. Does that mean other personnel changes do not need to happen? NO. More needs to be done.

Should Bowe be offered a contract? NO!! Draft another WR. Make it a burner. We are so hand tied with no down field threat. I could go on and on. Some of the problems may work themselves out. The O-Line is not working yet, but they do tend to improve with time. The more they work together the better they tend to get.
The thing is that Cassel was throwing a lot of INTs, and few people were accepting that it was primarily the receivers' fault.

Today, we got to see that it still is a receivers issue.

I saw a whole lot of what used to be referred to as "excuse making" when it was Cassel, from exactly the same people who had called t excuse making.

I saw.Bike actually ask what receiver had botched the first INT... BIKE DID THAT.

I saw a whole lot of complaining about how Quinn was not.being given enough time in the pocket.

I saw how the play-calling was hurting his performance.

It was nice to see the REAL problems being noticed by the fans.

[KCraised]

Funny. Alot of the post game guys agreed that the qb spot was the missing link for KC. And theyre alot of hall of famers that know the game way better than we do. Oh well, we are looking at a losing season. Welcome to KC

[Isawa_mo]

I almost added Bowe as an example. No, he should not get an extension after this year. Hell, he should not have been the player they franchised. Another pretty obvious mistake/oversight by Pioli, IMHO. The best play now would be to offer him up for trade to a contending team that needs a WR. He still has enough going for him that someone would likely bite for as much as a 2nd round pick.

It kind of goes with the territory on Cassel, though. The QB gets the biggest bucks and is the face of the franchise. They get too much credit when things go well (IE 2010) and too much blame when they do not go well. The fans here should disappoint no more than any other fans in the NFL.

[Bike]

The thing is that Cassel was throwing a lot of INTs, and few people were accepting that it was primarily the receivers' fault.

Today, we got to see that it still is a receivers issue.

I saw a whole lot of what used to be referred to as "excuse making" when it was Cassel, from exactly the same people who had called t excuse making.

I saw.Bike actually ask what receiver had botched the first INT... BIKE DID THAT.

I saw a whole lot of complaining about how Quinn was not.being given enough time in the pocket.

I saw how the play-calling was hurting his performance.

It was nice to see the REAL problems being noticed by the fans.
I resemble that! Our receivers were absolutely terrible. From Baldwin slowing his route as the ball sails over his head to some tight end that I never heard of giving the ball to the Bucs. This entire team is just terrible.

[Hayvern]

The Cassel defending is as much of a :beat_DeadHorse: as the bashing. There are other problems on the team. I think the more rational people here have said that. Just because there are other problems too, does not give him a pass. If you are arguing that Cassel is good because Quinn did no better (a guy who could not even play in place of Tebow last year), your standard for quality QB play is misguided at best.

Admitting there are other problems, which many folks that are wanting a QB change have done, does not change him needing replaced after this year.

I am still wanting a new HC at the very least and would not mind if Hunt pulled the plug on Pioli, also. Realistically, I know all three are not going to happen. The best I can hope for? Pioli gets his power pulled a bit by Hunt and he finds a coach that he can give some of that power to. I think the next coach hire should actually be made by Hunt (doubtful). Hire the guy, tell Pioli he has to work with him not over him. The new coach is in charge of picking what he deems as the best QB in the draft. Looking at the way we are going today, probably any QB he wants. Does that mean other personnel changes do not need to happen? NO. More needs to be done.

Should Bowe be offered a contract? NO!! Draft another WR. Make it a burner. We are so hand tied with no down field threat. I could go on and on. Some of the problems may work themselves out. The O-Line is not working yet, but they do tend to improve with time. The more they work together the better they tend to get.

I still think the best idea is to get Cowher in here, move Pioli to President of Football operations, and let Cowher run the day to day of the team.

I know it is not likely to happen, but a man can dream can't he?

[reded]

The sad part is that just 4 years ago we were in this exact same situation. Clark Hunt had the chance to reform this organization into a perennial playoff contender but made mistakes in some of his choices. His poor choices have made the franchise a laughing stock and turned the fan base from one of the most loyal in the league to one that I'm not even proud to be a part of. Something good NEEDS to come from this atrocity of a season!

[drstandley31]

I hate that we're not even relivent. Nobody even cares when they play us. They expect to win, even if it's in KC. That's hard to take.

[Ryfo18]

I think the Chiefs lost b/c whoever started this thread couldn't even spell "Chiefs" right.

[ctchiefsfan]

I still think the best idea is to get Cowher in here, move Pioli to President of Football operations, and let Cowher run the day to day of the team.

This is starting to look like a better idea every day.