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fairladyZ
10-16-2012, 04:30 PM
Well the weather is crappy here so don't feel like doing much. So instead i'm just sitting inside and being disgusted even more by watching/listening/reading everything i can involving the chiefs. For the most part i generally stay pretty quiet on this forum except for gameday. But i figured i would make a post kind of laying out the worries i have with this whole fiasco. PLEASE PLEASE do not make the same mistakes the raiders have/are/and continuing to make. I have been a chiefs fan since montana came here. I've never given up hope and i've never been ashamed of this team until this year. Now i'm not saying i will no longer be a fan because that's just not in my blood to be a quitter. But i am disgusted by not only the team, the organization but by the fans aswell. I don't know if it's ok to talk about it here but i lurk on the other CP forum and am disgusted by all the negative av's, negative threads, and negative signature pictures of the team that i love. As angry as i am at this whole ordeal i would never resort to the garbage i'm seeing from alot of fans. The banner being flown over the stadium? We seriously are becoming the raiders. Our organization is in disarray, our fans are running rampid and preaching anarchy.

This team has got so many issues that are so ingrained but the constant hate and bashing of the QB is atrocious. It scares me so much that we are going to throw all our chips in on a "franchise" QB and this is just going to spiral even further down the rabbit hole. The raiders thought they were a QB away from being dominant. And look where they are... Sound familiar? There are so many similiarities between the raiders and the chiefs right now it gives me nausea! Raiders are no longer the laughing stock of the NFL and AFC West doormat, we are.

Now in no way am i saying we should not draft a QB, my personal opinion is cassel can win, i think cassel is a good QB, however he has got to play better and smarter. I'm not against drafting a QB but i think our focus as a team, organization, and fanbase is to fix the deeper issues which is the loosing culture that is now ingrained into this franchise. The revolt of the fanbase, and the coaching of one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. There are only a handful of people that know whats going on behind the curtains and i can lean one way for firing pioli and i can lean another for keeping him as he has built an impressive roster just not got the correct teachers to mold and sculpt it. I just hope that for this fanbase and organization and my beloved team that clark makes the right decision.

Now as far as the coaching i'm all ready to drop the nuke on it. I was not a fan of romeo being hired and my fears were realized 100%. He's to soft and timid and not a teacher this team needs. Whatever it is i hope they fix it over the bye week and get the wheels in motion to get the CORRECT people in here to run this team. I hope the TEAM steps up and starts playing like they are winners and want to win. I hope matt comes back with a renewed fire under him and his team steps up to help him quiet some of the critics. I hope we as fans step up and put the childish raider antics behind us. Keep our BS under control and trust that the powers that be will not let this organization fall into the disarray that is known as the black hole.

Come draft day have faith that the powers that be make the best decision for this franchise whether it be a Qb or whatever else. But unless we fix the internal structure whatever QB we get will be deemed a bust in the first season and anarchy and riots will ensue.

LargoChief
10-16-2012, 04:40 PM
I understand what you're saying but please don't compare us to the Raiders...the went to the Superbowl no too long ago and we can't even win a playoff game. People are frustrated as they should be. The fans of Kansas City deserve better.

Bortnem
10-16-2012, 04:44 PM
I understand what you're saying but please don't compare us to the Raiders...the went to the Superbowl no too long ago and we can't even win a playoff game. People are frustrated as they should be. The fans of Kansas City deserve better.

I 100% agree:sign0142: :sSig_youtheman:

fairladyZ
10-16-2012, 04:45 PM
why shouldn't i compare us to the raiders? exactly they have gone to the suberbowl and won playoff games. They are in constant disarray and making bad QB decisions. They threw everyting they had in on carson cause they believed he would be their savior. They are worse off now for that. I don't want to see this organization go that way nor this fanbase. The fans are talking about wearing all black to arrowhead, sound familiar to a black hole? whats next covering our faces with vader helmets? hell then we are just some spiked shoulder pads away from actually being the midwest black hole. We do deserve better but rioting and preaching anarchy is not what we should be doing, flying signs over teh stadium, wearing all black, leaving arrowhead empty, It sounds like an oakland fanbase and makes me embarrased

LlamaNinja
10-16-2012, 04:46 PM
Considering people expressed there displeasue with Cassel last year and have only started to boo him loudly this year I am going to disagree that we would only give a QB a year. Also arent QB's coming out a lot more productive now look at Ponder and Newton from two years ago. RG3, Luck, Tannehill, or Weeden all arent looking that bad. I personally think Cassel can win games AGAINST bad teams (just like his record shows) he is amazing at practice and with bad teams but put him on the field with a desperate team like the Ravens or Raiders in 10. In his BEST year they still destroyed him.
I think we need a clean start new GM and HC. I want Crennel back at DC (which he wasnt that bad at). The only person I want gone this week is Daboll everyone else can be replaced when the time comes. Marty probably wouldnt be a good Gm (with his age) but he sure could attract one to the area.

brdempsey69
10-16-2012, 05:17 PM
fairladyZ,

Here's the parts that I simply cannot side with you on.


...... and trust that the powers that be will not let this organization fall into the disarray that is known as the black hole.




Come draft day have faith that the powers that be make the best decision for this franchise

How can these so called "powers that be" be trusted by any Chiefs fan who's willing to look at this team objectively and with any sense of diplomacy?

These so-called "powers that be", specifically Scott Pioli have turned the KC Chiefs from a football team into a political laughing stock, since Pioli's arrival in 2009.

All Pioli has brought is a "p!ss on our own heads, tell ourselves it's raining" type mentality to the Chiefs team, and it's clear that he's more of a politician than a GM. The disease is called "self-delusion".

Unfortunately, many Chiefs fans were infected by this disease ( and never was this more prevalent than when Berry was selected instead of Okung at #5 overall in the 2010 draft ), but what you are seeing taking place with Chiefs fans is that reality is hitting them smack in the face & quite naturally they are irate about it.

Just look at what happened with the 2009 and 2010 drafts. Outside of K Ryan Succop, the other players that were drafted in 2009 and 2010, and are still with the team, can be considered marginal at best. There was too many missed opportunities in both those drafts, and NO, it isn't hindsight, as many of those selections were questioned by a lot of Chiefs fans ( many thought they were downright stupid ) at the time they were made.

Nobody owes any trust to these so-called "powers that be", when here we are 4 years later & there's been no progress as far as the Chiefs being able to contend with the top teams in the league. They can't even contend with losing teams here in 2012.

Bottom line is that Pioli has had his chance, he failed......time for him to go & time to move on.

Connie Jo
10-16-2012, 09:16 PM
Well the weather is crappy here so don't feel like doing much. So instead i'm just sitting inside and being disgusted even more by watching/listening/reading everything i can involving the chiefs. For the most part i generally stay pretty quiet on this forum except for gameday. But i figured i would make a post kind of laying out the worries i have with this whole fiasco. PLEASE PLEASE do not make the same mistakes the raiders have/are/and continuing to make. I have been a chiefs fan since montana came here. I've never given up hope and i've never been ashamed of this team until this year. Now i'm not saying i will no longer be a fan because that's just not in my blood to be a quitter. But i am disgusted by not only the team, the organization but by the fans aswell. I don't know if it's ok to talk about it here but i lurk on the other CP forum and am disgusted by all the negative av's, negative threads, and negative signature pictures of the team that i love. As angry as i am at this whole ordeal i would never resort to the garbage i'm seeing from alot of fans. The banner being flown over the stadium? We seriously are becoming the raiders. Our organization is in disarray, our fans are running rampid and preaching anarchy.

This team has got so many issues that are so ingrained but the constant hate and bashing of the QB is atrocious. It scares me so much that we are going to throw all our chips in on a "franchise" QB and this is just going to spiral even further down the rabbit hole. The raiders thought they were a QB away from being dominant. And look where they are... Sound familiar? There are so many similiarities between the raiders and the chiefs right now it gives me nausea! Raiders are no longer the laughing stock of the NFL and AFC West doormat, we are.

Now in no way am i saying we should not draft a QB, my personal opinion is cassel can win, i think cassel is a good QB, however he has got to play better and smarter. I'm not against drafting a QB but i think our focus as a team, organization, and fanbase is to fix the deeper issues which is the loosing culture that is now ingrained into this franchise. The revolt of the fanbase, and the coaching of one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. There are only a handful of people that know whats going on behind the curtains and i can lean one way for firing pioli and i can lean another for keeping him as he has built an impressive roster just not got the correct teachers to mold and sculpt it. I just hope that for this fanbase and organization and my beloved team that clark makes the right decision.

Now as far as the coaching i'm all ready to drop the nuke on it. I was not a fan of romeo being hired and my fears were realized 100%. He's to soft and timid and not a teacher this team needs. Whatever it is i hope they fix it over the bye week and get the wheels in motion to get the CORRECT people in here to run this team. I hope the TEAM steps up and starts playing like they are winners and want to win. I hope matt comes back with a renewed fire under him and his team steps up to help him quiet some of the critics. I hope we as fans step up and put the childish raider antics behind us. Keep our BS under control and trust that the powers that be will not let this organization fall into the disarray that is known as the black hole.

Come draft day have faith that the powers that be make the best decision for this franchise whether it be a Qb or whatever else. But unless we fix the internal structure whatever QB we get will be deemed a bust in the first season and anarchy and riots will ensue.

THIS!^^^ REP!!!

Your post is one of the most intelligent, logical, and wise that I've read in weeks by a Chief fan. Thank you for voicing an opinion with respect & reason, for not allowing emotions to cloud judgement overall. It's very refreshing to read an opinion that doesn't include hate, anger, vulgarity, hostility, and disrespect. It's very nice to see a fellow Chiefs fan represent with integrity & dignity.

I completely agree with you, 100%! GO CHIEFS!!!

Connie Jo
10-16-2012, 09:20 PM
Considering people expressed there displeasue with Cassel last year and have only started to boo him loudly this year I am going to disagree that we would only give a QB a year. Also arent QB's coming out a lot more productive now look at Ponder and Newton from two years ago. RG3, Luck, Tannehill, or Weeden all arent looking that bad. I personally think Cassel can win games AGAINST bad teams (just like his record shows) he is amazing at practice and with bad teams but put him on the field with a desperate team like the Ravens or Raiders in 10. In his BEST year they still destroyed him.
I think we need a clean start new GM and HC. I want Crennel back at DC (which he wasnt that bad at). The only person I want gone this week is Daboll everyone else can be replaced when the time comes. Marty probably wouldnt be a good Gm (with his age) but he sure could attract one to the area.

I will respectfully disagree. As a season ticket holder, I attend all home games at Arrowhead, God willing. Only illness keeps me away. Although not to an extreme as recently, some Chiefs fans at Arrowhead began booing & heckling Matt Cassel his first year, 2009. They did the same to Bowe whenever he dropped a pass. They booed again in 2010, 2011, now 2012, and it's gradually intensified.

GO CHIEFS!!!

LlamaNinja
10-16-2012, 09:30 PM
I will respectfully disagree. As a season ticket holder, I attend all home games at Arrowhead, God willing. Only illness keeps me away. Although not to an extreme as recently, some Chiefs fans at Arrowhead began booing & heckling Matt Cassel his first year, 2009. They did the same to Bowe whenever he dropped a pass. They booed again in 2010, 2011, now 2012, and it's gradually intensified.

GO CHIEFS!!!
Well it is like a siren going off before a tornado hits at least the chiefs had a warning. Though I gotta say the stuff like wearing black to the game... just dont go save yourself the time, misery, and gas :p

chief31
10-17-2012, 03:51 AM
It's the sense of rage....

I have been a sports fan my whole life, and have never seen a fanbase express such hatred for a team they claim to love.

I used to be one of the worst about complaining about this team, but my worst Palestine.in comparison to the pure rage I am seeing.

No. There is absolutely no excuse for it. You do not deserve anything but whatever they put on the.field.

I agree.... I think the fanbase is.becoming The Raiders'.

Bike
10-17-2012, 01:13 PM
I don't think the fan base is becoming the Raiders. We've got more class here than that. It's the hope and change phenomenon. Pioli was gonna make this franchise a perennial playoff contender by this time - his 4th year. The opposite has happened, and us fans are rightfully frustrated.

doobs_05
10-17-2012, 01:32 PM
What are we doing to become the raiders fanbase?

LlamaNinja
10-17-2012, 05:28 PM
What are we doing to become the raiders fanbase?
Sucking at least our team "is in a better place"

KCCF
10-17-2012, 07:13 PM
It's the sense of rage....

I have been a sports fan my whole life, and have never seen a fanbase express such hatred for a team they claim to love.

No. There is absolutely no excuse for it. You do not deserve anything but whatever they put on the.field.

I agree.... I think the fanbase is.becoming The Raiders'.

You are kinda ignorant. In what ways do the fans correlate with the raiders? Because we are calling out someone who is a literal waste of $60m? Because our gm is constantly making our team look like a joke?

chief31
10-17-2012, 07:31 PM
You are kinda ignorant. In what ways do the fans correlate with the raiders? Because we are calling out someone who is a literal waste of $60m? Because our gm is constantly making our team look like a joke?

It's the omission of class.

Read your own comment.

Chiefster
10-17-2012, 07:33 PM
You are kinda ignorant. In what ways do the fans correlate with the raiders? Because we are calling out someone who is a literal waste of $60m? Because our gm is constantly making our team look like a joke?

There are a lot of words one can use to describe chief31, however, "ignorant" is not one of them. I'm assuming you mean "unlearned" by your use of the word "ignorant" because using this term in a disparaging way so as to attack chief31 personally would be contrary to board rules. Now, chief31 is well capable of speaking for himself so I won't be so presumptuous as to speak for him.

Hayvern
10-18-2012, 03:14 PM
There are a lot of words one can use to describe chief31, however, "ignorant" is not one of them. I'm assuming you mean "unlearned" by your use of the word "ignorant" because using this term in a disparaging way so as to attack chief31 personally would be contrary to board rules. Now, chief31 is well capable of speaking for himself so I won't be so presumptuous as to speak for him.

Being ignorant in itself is not derogatory. It just means I do not have all the information. I am sure that Chief31 is a lot like me. He knows it all, but just cannot recall all that information on demand!

:lol:

LlamaNinja
10-18-2012, 06:08 PM
Being ignorant in itself is not derogatory. It just means I do not have all the information. I am sure that Chief31 is a lot like me. He knows it all, but just cannot recall all that information on demand!

:lol:
IT HAS BEGUN!!

Chiefster
10-18-2012, 10:30 PM
Being ignorant in itself is not derogatory. It just means I do not have all the information. I am sure that Chief31 is a lot like me. He knows it all, but just cannot recall all that information on demand!

:lol:

No it is not derogatory in itself, however, it can be used in a derogatory way, but then so can most words I suppose. :lol:

drstandley31
10-21-2012, 06:25 PM
In years past I have made some posts that I now wish I wouldn't have. I will continue to be critical, but without the emotional immaturity! That being said, I respectfully disagree with you Connie and Chief31; I would not want any fan to cheer that a player got injured (Chief or otherwise), but I fully support the fans expressing dissatisfaction with this team's performance. As I've said many times here, the teams and players will always say, "this is a business", when they make trades you don't like, or hold out for more money, etc. Well it is a business and we are the customer! If the fans are acting out in "rage", it's because they have passion for their team, and demand that they start making better decisions. This team has been BLOWN OUT 12 times in the last 27 games, and has allowed (even bad teams) to score 30+ points in all of them(many at Arrowhead). We have not had a lead for one second in any game this year! We were the only team that didn't score a TD on the opening drive last year, and that record is now 26 games and counting. We have 21 turnovers this year. This is a poorly coached football team, that has some great talent, no leadership and is starting to get used to losing. I have not bashed Cassel since he's been here, because I thought it was all coaching, but I see that he's probably sub-par. Last year's back up QB couldn't even make a CFL's roster, and we're in the same boat this year. That's no way to run a Football team! And the fans should say so every chance they get!

fairladyZ
10-21-2012, 09:11 PM
Thanks connie i appreciate it, especially coming from you as i follow your posts and you also post with intelligence and respect which i find refreshing in these dark times.

I've kind of just been reading and studying and took awhile to respond to this thread and i'm sure i'll miss some of what people are talking about but let me just say.

I am just as frustrated as the next fan with this team. I am most certainly not saying that we as fans do not deserve to be frustrated cause we do. What i'm saying is that the tastefulness of alot of the fans is down right wrong. And what other teams that we used to look down on when we were sitting on our high horses have become. The black out, the banners, the nicknames and pictures and spoofs that "fans" are making for players on this team is just awful. I voice my displeasure with this team but i do it like a respectful fan should. These players go out there and lay it on the line for us fans and we ridicule them beyond belief. And why? Cause we sit on our couch or in the stands and think we know what is going on? Would you play for this coaching staff? Would you throw everything in on something you doubted or were put into a ****ty situation? We have the talent. This roster is leaps and bounds above our 2010 roster yet we sit here with this taste in our mouth. It starts at the top and works down. i will preach this till the end the biggest problem on this team is the coaching, teaching, and mentoring that is going on in this organization. The loosing mentality is so ingrained and the spirits so broken with the players i don't think we will turn it around until a change is made. Like i've said i'm not on the firing pioli bandwagon but i'm not against it either, i'm neutral and have faith that clark hunt has just as much love for this team as we do and will make the right decision. Now i would have liked to see a coaching change during the bye week but it wasn't so we'll move forward.

Look i'm a cassel supporter.. I'll support any damn player that is wearing the red and gold come sunday. And will be behind them 100%. I've never wished a player on this team to fail. I'm criticized players and wanted players gone but cassel is not one of them. Cassel can be a winner he's proved it. I don't care about his stats against winning teams.. Any team on any given sunday can whoop your *** if you don't play your best ball. Cassel tore it up in 2010 and it wasn't until the reports of the haley/weiss feud and that weiss was indeed leaving that the wheels came off. I'm fine with cassel being the QB until a better option comes. Although he does need to pick it up and minimize the mistakes.

As far as the draft. You can put me on the official HELL TO THE NO on drafting Geno. I watched a little bit of him and watched him play last night and no way in hell would i want him on my team. He's inaccurate (throws high), gets happy feet in the pocket and when he does get happy feet and leaves the pocket he no longer looks downfield he just looks to try to get outside. He's a system QB, He's not a natural leader. Seeing him throwing a fit on the sidelines throwing stuff around and scowling everyone, not to mention the reports of feuding with fans and throwin gangsigns up to opposing fans i want nothing to do with it. I'm all for taking a QB in 1st round aslong as we change the coaching to get the right coaches around him. Or else we just stunted his growth with this inept coaching staff and we'll be screaming bloody murder when he fails to.
The QB i'd want at this point with watching would be barkley. Natural leader, good arm (not elite), good pocket presence and throws great with a rolling pocket, and when he is flushed out of the pocket he keeps his eyes downfield looking to throw, Has good touch and runs a prostyle offense. I've seen a couple others play but none have really stood out as a for sure top 5 pick which is where we are headed unless something changes.

fairladyZ
10-21-2012, 09:17 PM
and i will also say that i have not thrown in the towel yet. I believe 10-6 wins this division and i think this team has the tools to run the table the rest of the season. If this coaching staff gets their **** togeather and gets this team ready to play i think we can win this thing out.

GO CHIEFS!

drstandley31
10-22-2012, 12:59 AM
and i will also say that i have not thrown in the towel yet. I believe 10-6 wins this division and i think this team has the tools to run the table the rest of the season. If this coaching staff gets their **** togeather and gets this team ready to play i think we can win this thing out.

GO CHIEFS!
I hope you are right!