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LlamaNinja
10-18-2012, 06:12 PM
Who Should Be The Next GM Of The Kansas City Chiefs? - Arrowhead Addict - A Kansas City Chiefs Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more (http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/10/18/who-should-be-the-next-gm-of-the-kansas-city-chiefs/)
BESIDES Marty who sticks out to you. I dont really keep up with GM names but most of them tend to be a high level guy and gotta say he seems more realistic than Marty coming back.

Sick Dog
10-18-2012, 06:59 PM
It's not happening so don't waste your time!

LlamaNinja
10-18-2012, 08:07 PM
It's not happening so don't waste your time!
You dont think we can get him or that Pioli wont go...
ALso check out this
Schottenheimer sues UFL founder for $2.3 million | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/schottenheimer-sues-ufl-founder-for-23-million/)

Sick Dog
10-18-2012, 09:05 PM
Hunt is not getting rid of Pioli...

texaschief
10-18-2012, 09:06 PM
Cowher

Lord-Chiefy
10-18-2012, 11:20 PM
Moot point. Uf he isn't gone yet he probably won't be. Unfortunetly....

chiefnut
10-19-2012, 02:18 PM
we won't see a mid season move, depending on how we do the rest of the season [like no improvement] he may get axed after.

Seek
10-19-2012, 05:27 PM
I don't know why everyone thinks that any old coach would make a good GM. Promoting an old HC has failed more times than it has worked. Head Coaches are good evaluators of talent and can coach that talent up, but they are not the one's coaching are they. Then there are the HC/GM dual roles that alway seem to fail, because the HC duties takes away from the GM duties.

Chances are the next qualified GM is someone on anothers teams back office that most of us have no clue of their qualifications to make an honest opinion either way.

I would think we would have a better chance signing a NFL super agent like Drew Rosenhaus than any ex-coach or player. But that would probably be a pay cut for him.

Bike
10-19-2012, 08:54 PM
Marty.

chief31
10-20-2012, 06:09 PM
My only problem with Pioli is his handling of our HC position.

I was not Todd Haley's biggest supporter, but he had earned the job.through last season, and into.this one. Plus, Pioli seemed to be interfering with Haley's offense, which.seems to.have been the problem between him and Haley.

And then there is the current situation, which is a direct result of that issue, aside from being his decision.

I like the talent on this team, for the most part. So I see plenty of value.in Pioli as a GM. He just needs to get the coaching situation under control.

matthewschiefs
10-20-2012, 06:27 PM
My only problem with Pioli is his handling of our HC position.

I was not Todd Haley's biggest supporter, but he had earned the job.through last season, and into.this one. Plus, Pioli seemed to be interfering with Haley's offense, which.seems to.have been the problem between him and Haley.

And then there is the current situation, which is a direct result of that issue, aside from being his decision.

I like the talent on this team, for the most part. So I see plenty of value.in Pioli as a GM. He just needs to get the coaching situation under control.

I agree 100%

Pioli has added a lot of talent to this team but hasn't got the coaching part right. That's a big part of it. Coaching is the biggest problem with this team right now. We see the team play well against a really good Ravens team then get it handed to them by the Bucs. The Talent is there the Coaching is not right now

tornadospotter
10-20-2012, 09:58 PM
Marty would be intresting to me. I would support that.

Connie Jo
10-21-2012, 12:16 AM
PIOLI!!! I want him to have a fair opportunity to finish what he began. I for one, believe he is the best GM available to build a long term contender in KC. I don't want short term patches, a one season hit wonder...I want a dynasty!

Fans are judging Pioli by a QB issue only, they're not seeing the improvements he's made overall to the team & franchise from a business perspective. A GM's role is complex, much more complex than what fans see on the field only.

I've talked to several former Chiefs players recently about the current issues. They all feel our roster talent has us close, though some do agree we need to improve our QB position. Some feel that will be taken care of when the opportunity is FEASIBLE, which it's not been. We didn't stand a chance in hell of drafting Luck or RGIII. Skins gave up 5 picks to trade up, including 3 or 4 First Round picks...that's one hell of a risk on a QB unproven in the NFL. A rookie with a history of previous injury, also, that caused him to miss an entire season, his junior year, I believe it was.

It takes an average of 3-5 years for a new GM to have success after re-building, and 5 yrs. is the greater average. Pioli is only in his 4th year, which isn't complete. We realistically have not had any feasible opportunities to draft or sign a FA QB proven better than Cassel since 2009. At best, they were equivalent. Manning wasn't a solution, he was a one season fix, and he's had inconsistent games in Denver. He's 37 yrs. old, bad knees & neck, facing a 5th neck surgery to remove bone spurs by his own admission.

It took Bill Cowher 13 seasons with the Steelers before he won his one Super Bowl. Wouldn't it be a shame if we were close as many pro analysts believe, with the most talented young roster in the NFL...& we fired the man who brought us that close. Pioli re-signed key FA's, like Hali, DJ, Flowers, Charles...retaining roster talent & bringing in young new talent. Starting over again at this critical point in time is not a solution.

It's been proven that teams which have changed staff every few years (less than 5)...fail more than succeed. Change isn't always a good thing, it's been shown that frequent change can stunt or hinder a teams success. Consistency on staff & roster are a important factor with long term consistency as contenders. An impatient fan base cuts off it's nose to spite it's face some times.

Pioli isn't responsible for years of losing...he only came here in 2009, not 1999.

Connie Jo
10-21-2012, 12:25 AM
Additional thoughts; A rookie QB takes an average of 3-5 years to evolve before his full potential can be judged as bust or success in the NFL. It took Peyton Manning 7 years after he was drafted in 1998 before he won his first playoff game...SEVEN YEARS! Yes, there are exceptions, such as Tom Brady, but not every QB drafted has that quick playoff success.

Brady Quinn; fans want a first round pick, well...he is one! He could be a diamond in the rough, since many pro analysts feel he's not had a fair opportunity since being drafted as a first round pick. No one succeeds in Cleveland. Elway wanted to jump on the Tebow love fest of media attention, which was VERY beneficial public relations & fan relations. Tebow wasn't better than Quinn, but he benefited Elway on the business side of the game more than Brady would've, so that's who Elway chose to start. He knew it was only for a year, then he'd dump Tebow. Truth be told, the rumors are probably true that Elway & Manning began talking behind closed doors months before it was made public Manning would leave the Colts. They're good friends, & have been for a while. Mannings closest personal friend lives in Denver too, Brandon Stokley, who Elway signed with Manning.

The biggest problem with Quinn will be our impatient fan base. According to NFL QB research I've done...it takes a QB an average of 36 starts to work out the kinks through trial & error. Our fan base as it is today...will be calling for Quinn's head after one bad game. Their impatience & frustration built up from years of no playoff wins...will be taken out on Brady before he's given a fair amount of time to show whether or not he's a first round diamond. Fair amount of time to evolve...36 starts. Some don't take that long, but most do.

brdempsey69
10-21-2012, 12:35 AM
PIOLI!!! I want him to have a fair opportunity to finish what he began. I for one, believe he is the best GM available to build a long term contender in KC. I don't want short term patches, a one season hit wonder...I want a dynasty!



Keep dreaming. Not going to happen. He has no integrity whatsoever. This article is all the proof anyone needs:

Chiefs GM Pioli: ‘We all need to do our jobs better, starting with me’ - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/17/3871434/pioli-we-all-need-to-do-our-jobs.html)

So is this audio segment of Jason Whitlock and Kent Babb:

Real Talk with Jason Whitlock, On Demand - Fox Sports Radio (http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/)

I'm going to put it to you bluntly because I'm not a man to pull punches, but you're starting to sound like if Pioli ever comes to a sudden halt, your face is going to go halfway up his A$$.

Lord-Chiefy
10-21-2012, 12:51 AM
wooohoo first post from my new transformer infinity with keyboard dock....no more crappy spelling for me boys and girls..

Chiefster
10-21-2012, 09:21 AM
wooohoo first post from my new transformer infinity with keyboard dock....no more crappy spelling for me boys and girls..

Well it's about time. Board management will soon convene to discuss the possibility of re-instating your membership in good standing. j/k :D

MissingTBone
10-21-2012, 10:22 AM
PIOLI!!! I want him to have a fair opportunity to finish what he began. I for one, believe he is the best GM available to build a long term contender in KC. I don't want short term patches, a one season hit wonder...I want a dynasty!

Fans are judging Pioli by a QB issue only, they're not seeing the improvements he's made overall to the team & franchise from a business perspective. A GM's role is complex, much more complex than what fans see on the field only.

I've talked to several former Chiefs players recently about the current issues. They all feel our roster talent has us close, though some do agree we need to improve our QB position. Some feel that will be taken care of when the opportunity is FEASIBLE, which it's not been. We didn't stand a chance in hell of drafting Luck or RGIII. Skins gave up 5 picks to trade up, including 3 or 4 First Round picks...that's one hell of a risk on a QB unproven in the NFL. A rookie with a history of previous injury, also, that caused him to miss an entire season, his junior year, I believe it was.

It takes an average of 3-5 years for a new GM to have success after re-building, and 5 yrs. is the greater average. Pioli is only in his 4th year, which isn't complete. We realistically have not had any feasible opportunities to draft or sign a FA QB proven better than Cassel since 2009. At best, they were equivalent. Manning wasn't a solution, he was a one season fix, and he's had inconsistent games in Denver. He's 37 yrs. old, bad knees & neck, facing a 5th neck surgery to remove bone spurs by his own admission.

It took Bill Cowher 13 seasons with the Steelers before he won his one Super Bowl. Wouldn't it be a shame if we were close as many pro analysts believe, with the most talented young roster in the NFL...& we fired the man who brought us that close. Pioli re-signed key FA's, like Hali, DJ, Flowers, Charles...retaining roster talent & bringing in young new talent. Starting over again at this critical point in time is not a solution.

It's been proven that teams which have changed staff every few years (less than 5)...fail more than succeed. Change isn't always a good thing, it's been shown that frequent change can stunt or hinder a teams success. Consistency on staff & roster are a important factor with long term consistency as contenders. An impatient fan base cuts off it's nose to spite it's face some times.

Pioli isn't responsible for years of losing...he only came here in 2009, not 1999.

Well here we are in year 4. 1 playoff game, 0 wins, and now were getting blown out by mediocre teams. Currently we ARE a losing dynasty under Pioli. We haven't shown that our team is full of young talent. We've looked horrible for the last 2 seasons, and doesn't look like things are close to getting better. IF Pioli stays he should have to get rid of the coaching staff AGAIN. He is def not a good evaluator of coaches.

matthewschiefs
10-21-2012, 01:57 PM
Keep dreaming. Not going to happen. He has no integrity whatsoever. This article is all the proof anyone needs:

Chiefs GM Pioli: ‘We all need to do our jobs better, starting with me’ - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/17/3871434/pioli-we-all-need-to-do-our-jobs.html)

So is this audio segment of Jason Whitlock and Kent Babb:

Real Talk with Jason Whitlock, On Demand - Fox Sports Radio (http://www.foxsportsradio.com/pages/jasonwhitlock/)

I'm going to put it to you bluntly because I'm not a man to pull punches, but you're starting to sound like if Pioli ever comes to a sudden halt, your face is going to go halfway up his A$$.

I don't no how you judge integrity but I see nothing in that first interview that says he has no integrity. He says time and time again it starts at his desk. Which is the truth it does start with him.

As for the 2nd one Didn't really listen to it. I have a real dislike for Jason Whitlock. The guy thinks Herm Edwards is a good head coach I rest my case.

#58ChiefsFan
10-21-2012, 02:30 PM
I don't no how you judge integrity but I see nothing in that first interview that says he has no integrity. He says time and time again it starts at his desk. Which is the truth it does start with him.

As for the 2nd one Didn't really listen to it. I have a real dislike for Jason Whitlock. The guy thinks Herm Edwards is a good head coach I rest my case.

Matthew in fairness that Twitlock / Babb link is 90% Kent giving his views. It's worth a listen.

alterdstate
10-21-2012, 02:43 PM
IMO the problem always start with coaching. Romeo would be a player's choice any day of the week, but he has proven his team will only "Show up" whenever they feel like it. That was a wrong move for Pioli as he needed someone with a proven track record as a head coach somewhere.

brdempsey69
10-21-2012, 03:08 PM
Fans are judging Pioli by a QB issue only, they're not seeing the improvements he's made overall to the team & franchise from a business perspective. A GM's role is complex, much more complex than what fans see on the field only.


That's pure absolute BULLSH!T !! Fans are NOT judging him only by the QB. They ARE looking at the bigger picture.

Where are the impact players from his 1st round choices? There are NONE !! The only impact players from his 4 entire drafts are LB Justin Houston & K Ryan Succop -- THAT'S IT !! That isn't good enough.

The Chiefs are right back to where they were in 2008 after 4 years of Pioli & if you take away the players that were drafted by Carl/Herm/Vermeil from this 2012 squad, then this years squad is even worse than the 2008 squad. He has NOT improved the team -- the results on the field don't lie.

Everybody is fully aware that being a GM is a complex job -- what's being said is he isn't up to the task. He has no credentials for the job other than he married Bill Parcell's daughter.

Pioli has done nothing except embarrass the Chiefs franchise.




I've talked to several former Chiefs players recently about the current issues. They all feel our roster talent has us close, though some do agree we need to improve our QB position. Some feel that will be taken care of when the opportunity is FEASIBLE, which it's not been. We didn't stand a chance in hell of drafting Luck or RGIII. Skins gave up 5 picks to trade up, including 3 or 4 First Round picks...that's one hell of a risk on a QB unproven in the NFL. A rookie with a history of previous injury, also, that caused him to miss an entire season, his junior year, I believe it was.


You've already had it pointed out to you that the Chiefs had the feasible opportunity to draft Andy Dalton. What part of that didn't you get?



It takes an average of 3-5 years for a new GM to have success after re-building, and 5 yrs. is the greater average. Pioli is only in his 4th year, which isn't complete.


That's a total crock of BS. Look at Seattle with John Schneider, look at Chicago's improvement this year with their change of GM's, look at SF with their change of GM's in 2011, look at the Chiefs when Carl Peterson came on board in 1989 -- they were in the playoffs in 1990.

In each case, changes were needed at GM....just like the Chiefs now....and the results speak for themselves.

Piloi isn't a GM...he's a politician.



We realistically have not had any feasible opportunities to draft or sign a FA QB proven better than Cassel since 2009. At best, they were equivalent. Manning wasn't a solution, he was a one season fix, and he's had inconsistent games in Denver. He's 37 yrs. old, bad knees & neck, facing a 5th neck surgery to remove bone spurs by his own admission.



Manning can still play QB better than any QB on the Chiefs roster & if can play 2-3 years for you while you draft & groom his successor, then he's worth having. This is precisely what Denver is doing & I'm willing to bet they will benefit long-term from this more than people may think. Common sense ought to tell you that.



It took Bill Cowher 13 seasons with the Steelers before he won his one Super Bowl. Wouldn't it be a shame if we were close as many pro analysts believe, with the most talented young roster in the NFL...& we fired the man who brought us that close. Pioli re-signed key FA's, like Hali, DJ, Flowers, Charles...retaining roster talent & bringing in young new talent. Starting over again at this critical point in time is not a solution.


Cowher is not a good example at all. The Steelers became playoff contenders right away when Cowher took over & stayed that way for most of his years with Pitt.

The Chiefs in 2012 are right back to where they were in 2009 when Pioli took over. Their O-Lines and D-Lines aren't very good....period. Three years in a row, Pioli has passed on good O-Line prospects (Okung, Carimi, DeCastro ) that would've made a bigger impact on this team than the players that he did draft ( Berry, Baldwin, Poe ).....that is a fact, not an opinion.

As I said before, if you take away the players that were drafted by Carl/Herm/Vermeil from this team, then the talent ISN'T there.



It's been proven that teams which have changed staff every few years (less than 5)...fail more than succeed. Change isn't always a good thing, it's been shown that frequent change can stunt or hinder a teams success.


See above examples with SEA, CHI, SF, and 1989 Chiefs that prove your statement to be BS.



Consistency on staff & roster are a important factor with long term consistency as contenders.


Where are you getting the impression that this has been the case, since Pioli has become GM in 2009?

The fact is, it's been the exact opposite & anyone looking at the Chiefs from a diplomatic perspective can easily see that.



An impatient fan base cuts off it's nose to spite it's face some times.


"Why does thou behold the mote in thy brothers eye and fail to see the beam in thine own eye. Thou hypocrite, first cast the beam out of thine own eye that thou may see clearly the mote in thy brother's eye"

Get what I'm saying? It's already been established that you're being sentimental towards Pioli because you met him and you took a photo with him & now you want to tell others that want him gone that they're cutting off their nose in spite of their face?

Sorry, but a blind man with a cane can see through that one. The fans that want him gone are simply looking at things with diplomacy and are not letting sentiment get in the way of their judgement....that's the difference. As I said before they are quite correct to hold him accountable for what he's done and what he's failed to do.



Pioli isn't responsible for years of losing...he only came here in 2009, not 1999.


You are going way out of context with this one to try to defend him. What Pioli is being held accountable for, is the fact that there has been no progress since his arrival regarding the Chiefs ability to contend with the NFL's top teams. They can't even compete with the league's average to mediocre teams right now and are the laughing stock of the NFL....that's not progress, that's regression.

#58ChiefsFan
10-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Only thing I'd argue against is that Denver will have a reliable back up when Peyton does hang it up. Looking at his backups track record with Sorgi, Painter and Orvlovsky a pattern is shown where Manning is not a real good mentor.

I understand its a different organization but Manning being such a "me" guy with his teams preparation I wonder how they will transition.

brdempsey69
10-21-2012, 03:48 PM
Only thing I'd argue against is that Denver will have a reliable back up when Peyton does hang it up. Looking at his backups track record with Sorgi, Painter and Orvlovsky a pattern is shown where Manning is not a real good mentor.

I understand its a different organization but Manning being such a "me" guy with his teams preparation I wonder how they will transition.

You are right. We'll have to see how Osweiler pans out. But he does, at least, appear to be a better prospect to take over the reins than Sorgi, Painter and Orvlovsky were in Indy.

Lord-Chiefy
10-21-2012, 11:03 PM
I'm sorry Connie but Quinn beaver ever should have been ramen before rd 4-5. I hate his smug ars!@ I loved watching him sit in the green room getting passed up on.

nigeriannightmare
10-21-2012, 11:10 PM
Lets not forget we had a GM in the wings here in Emery and we let him go to Chicago.

LlamaNinja
10-22-2012, 03:27 PM
If Quinn doesnt win us many games and we end up 4 wins or under I think he will go. If Quinn brings the team back (a little late now) we might win a few more... enough for GM and HC to keep their job another year, us out of getting a QB... then another year of backup QB plays :(

2010chiefs
10-25-2012, 11:28 PM
Bill Polian. I heard him on ESPN today about trades he would make around the NFL and the guy knows what he's talking about. I was impressed.

AussieChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 01:29 AM
If we have enough losses to draft geno/barkley without trading up imo he will be fired.