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therick58
11-13-2012, 01:29 AM
While I don't believe that Matt Cassell is as good as touted it is clear to me that he has the most heart of anyone on the team. And probably want's to win more as well. I saw him scramble for a first down, not slide, and jump up fired up! I don't see any player or coach doing that. He is constantly under pressure every single snap due to what I believe is the real problem our offensive line. The defense rocks! Crennel is a great guy but not a head coach. I'm on the fence with Pioli. We will really see how devoted Hunt is to turning this thing around if he goes after a big name coach. That and focusing on the O line could make this team competitive overnight....with Matt Cassell.

MyManHali
11-13-2012, 01:31 AM
He is PART of the problem.

matthewschiefs
11-13-2012, 01:32 AM
The problem with Cassel is that he isn't improving. He had a great year in 2010 but the rest of the NFL has adjusted to him and he hasn't been able to make adjustments to them. It's time for a change at QB as well. But Cassel isn't the Biggest reason this team is failing. He's a victim of the HORRIBLE coaching staff just like a number of other players.

therick58
11-13-2012, 01:35 AM
I failed to mention the offensive coordinator is a joke also.

texaschief
11-13-2012, 01:35 AM
People who know football, don't defend Matt Cassel as if he can be a dependable starter in the NFL.

Ryfo18
11-13-2012, 01:36 AM
:blows: For making this post, you do not know football.

And seriously. He's been the QB for 4 years now. CASSEL (one L).

therick58
11-13-2012, 01:38 AM
I'm not defending him...in fact I would love to see him replaced. I'm just saying he gets all the blame and it shouldn't be that way.

Dick Richards
11-13-2012, 01:44 AM
Cassel isnt the whole probalem no. The coaching is the biggest problem. Matt has shown a huge heart and is very competitive, but he cant consistently pass a football. His arm strength is seeming to be almost zero. The passes that are on target take 3 minutes to get to the reciever. Matt has done some good scrambling recently (but who cares).

matthewschiefs
11-13-2012, 01:44 AM
I'm not defending him...in fact I would love to see him replaced. I'm just saying he gets all the blame and it shouldn't be that way.

Some will hate him and blame him for EVERYTHING

Tonights game is prime example

Bowe was dropping passes that ended drives you don't see some even mentioning that.

Succopp missed a big field goal that would have won the game in regulation and kicked a ball off out of bounds You don't see some even mentioning that.

Don't let it get to them get to you. You will be called an Excuse maker told you no nothing about football told you have a love fest for Cassel if you dare to call out others besides Cassel.

Dick Richards
11-13-2012, 01:47 AM
Yes Bowe sucked tonight too!!!

Dick Richards
11-13-2012, 01:48 AM
Anybody can make a few good passes, including Cassel. But good quarterbacks make ALOT of good passes!

Justin5772002
11-13-2012, 01:49 AM
I agree that he scrambles pretty well in the last 2 games but we don't need a scrambler, we need someone to hit OUR RECIEVERS!!! No other quarterback has thrown that many interceptions he doesn't take many sacks which you would say is good but if the other outcome is an INT go down with it man!!!

jap1
11-13-2012, 02:14 AM
I agree that tonight we should have won. The holding on Albert is BS. The PI on Moeaki doesn't get called on players like TG, Gates, Graham, etc. If succop makes that fg, if Bowe catches the 2 passes he dropped, if Crennel challenges the catch that Baldwin got knocked out on (in the replay, it looked like JB had the ball in his arm on the ground and THEN Taylor pulled it out), if the defense didn't do a group celebration ... If some of those things happened, Cassel wouldn't have been in OT, and that INT would have never happened. Did he play great, no. Dd he play ok, yes. Do we need a different QB, yes. But this loss isn't all on Cassel.

MyManHali
11-13-2012, 02:16 AM
Anybody can make a few good passes, including Cassel. But good quarterbacks make ALOT of good passes!


Good quarterbacks take control of tight games and then win those games. That or they just put 30 points on the scoreboard.

Coach
11-13-2012, 08:26 AM
While I don't believe that Matt Cassell is as good as touted it is clear to me that he has the most heart of anyone on the team. And probably want's to win more as well. I saw him scramble for a first down, not slide, and jump up fired up! I don't see any player or coach doing that. He is constantly under pressure every single snap due to what I believe is the real problem our offensive line. The defense rocks! Crennel is a great guy but not a head coach. I'm on the fence with Pioli. We will really see how devoted Hunt is to turning this thing around if he goes after a big name coach. That and focusing on the O line could make this team competitive overnight....with Matt Cassell.

I love Cassel's heart and tenacity. That's the main reason why I have constantly defended him. I also agree that he seems to care more about this team winning than any other player on the field. Unfortunately, heart and tenacity aren't enough to overcome his lack of talent.

Look, try watching a Chiefs game with me. I also have a lot of heart and tenacity as well, but you wouldn't want me tossing the rock around Heinz field.

I blame most of Cassel's poor passing stats on the fact that he typically makes good decisions with the ball and plays it very safe. But go back and watch last nights tape. Hen could have easily had 2 interceptions, probably should have had 3. His arm strength has always been poor, but now his decision making is awful as well.

I agree Cassel isn't the only problem. Cassel didn't drop a pass. Cassel didn't have much choice in a lot of the poor playcalling. Cassell didn't muff punts or miss FG's. But I think as a NFL QB, the bar is set higher than just completing 7 short/intermediate pass plays. This isn't his first season. Even if it was, his lack of arm stength and decision making, not to mention his 20 turnovers are plenty of reasons that he needs to hold a clipboard.

Tonight was a turning point for me and Matt Cassel. I thought was one if the worst performances I have seen from him.

Coach
11-13-2012, 11:38 AM
Fixed your title:


People who know football know Cassell is not the only problem.

BigChiefTablet
11-13-2012, 12:36 PM
This has to be a troll post.

Really? Even in 2010 he wasn't any good. He padded his stats in garbage time and with short dump-offs to his outlet receiver. He had a couple of pretty decent games. But anybody that actually knows football, and actually watched the damn games and not just the stat lines, knows that he craps his pants under pressure, has difficulty going through his reads, and allows defenses to stack 9 in the box because they do not fear him AT ALL. That's right 9 (NINE), not eight, which is the standard overloaded front, NINE!

He has heart, he is tough, and he is a hard worker. I wish that would win football games. He is a great citizen, but that doesn't win football games either.

Yeah, there are other problems on this team as well, but "people who know football" know that Matt Cassel is a backup quarterback, and if you think any different, then you don't know football.

doobs_05
11-13-2012, 01:34 PM
If we were the Washington Sentinels and our Coach was Jimmy McGinty (who looks a lot like Gene Hackman), then yes I would love Cassel on our team because all we would need to win in the second half is Heart.

OPLookn
11-13-2012, 02:37 PM
Some will hate him and blame him for EVERYTHING

Tonights game is prime example

Bowe was dropping passes that ended drives you don't see some even mentioning that.

Succopp missed a big field goal that would have won the game in regulation and kicked a ball off out of bounds You don't see some even mentioning that.

Don't let it get to them get to you. You will be called an Excuse maker told you no nothing about football told you have a love fest for Cassel if you dare to call out others besides Cassel.

Bowe....sigh...SMH(shake my head). That is all...

OPLookn
11-13-2012, 02:38 PM
If we were the Washington Sentinels and our Coach was Jimmy McGinty (who looks a lot like Gene Hackman), then yes I would love Cassel on our team because all we would need to win in the second half is Heart.

You know this don't look natural coach!

nigeriannightmare
11-13-2012, 04:19 PM
If we were the Washington Sentinels and our Coach was Jimmy McGinty (who looks a lot like Gene Hackman), then yes I would love Cassel on our team because all we would need to win in the second half is Heart.

To me that's one of the best sports movies ever.....son of a *****? Son of a *****! I'm a son of a *****?

Hayvern
11-14-2012, 12:30 AM
I hate this kind of post, so let's follow this through to a logical conclusion:

1. It would see you are saying that since I believe Cassel is a problem, then I do not know football.

or

2. You qualify that only those people who do not know football would believe that Cassel is a problem

Either way, you leave a way out for yourself against counter argument because you set up a logical fallacy at the beginning of the post, thus cutting off any real, substantive debate, since your fallback will always be a statement like, "Well, you obviously do not know football."

Hayvern
11-14-2012, 12:37 AM
Some will hate him and blame him for EVERYTHING

Tonights game is prime example

Bowe was dropping passes that ended drives you don't see some even mentioning that.

Succopp missed a big field goal that would have won the game in regulation and kicked a ball off out of bounds You don't see some even mentioning that.

Don't let it get to them get to you. You will be called an Excuse maker told you no nothing about football told you have a love fest for Cassel if you dare to call out others besides Cassel.

OK, well on the point of Bowe, that horse is so dead and buried that most people are tired of talking about it. Bowe drops passes regularly, the knock on Cassel for me is why do you keep trying to throw him the ball? He is going to drop it over and over again.

As for Succop, yeah, he missed a field goal, it is pretty rare it happens overall he has done what he has been asked to do. It sucks that things fail once in a while. If Succop had 15 missed field goals on the season, the same as Cassel's 15 interceptions, then maybe there would be a point in calling that out.

ctchiefsfan
11-14-2012, 01:46 AM
it is clear to me that he has the most heart of anyone on the team.

I don't know about that. Some of the guys on the D are playing like FIENDS!!!!! Lots of heart on our D for them not to have given up yet.


And probably want's to win more as well.

So long as you use qualifier "probably" then it keeps this sentence from being totally foolish.


I saw him scramble for a first down, not slide, and jump up fired up!

Good! That's part of his job....not something exceptional.


I don't see any player or coach doing that.

Ummmm....Short memory. Quinn has a lot of heart too. Remember he was trying to play through a concussion. Is he any better than Cassel? Open to debate.

Seriously....Matt's a great guy with a lot of heart and a great competitive spirit. And no doubt he has been hampered by poor coaching and play calling. And if he had all the top talent in the NFL around him he would probably look pretty damned good. But he is not a top talent. He has proved that over and over again. If his skills were as big as his heart we'd have already won a few playoff games since he got here.

I'd love to see Matt stay a Chief......at 1/4 the pay and as backup to a truly great QB.

MyManHali
11-14-2012, 04:08 AM
OK, well on the point of Bowe, that horse is so dead and buried that most people are tired of talking about it. Bowe drops passes regularly, the knock on Cassel for me is why do you keep trying to throw him the ball? He is going to drop it over and over again.

As for Succop, yeah, he missed a field goal, it is pretty rare it happens overall he has done what he has been asked to do. It sucks that things fail once in a while. If Succop had 15 missed field goals on the season, the same as Cassel's 15 interceptions, then maybe there would be a point in calling that out.


He drops balls but he is the only playmaker WR we have. Baldwin and Breaston don't even exist.

70 chiefsfan70
11-14-2012, 09:48 AM
I don't know about that. Some of the guys on the D are playing like FIENDS!!!!! Lots of heart on our D for them not to have given up yet.



So long as you use qualifier "probably" then it keeps this sentence from being totally foolish.



Good! That's part of his job....not something exceptional.



Ummmm....Short memory. Quinn has a lot of heart too. Remember he was trying to play through a concussion. Is he any better than Cassel? Open to debate.

Seriously....Matt's a great guy with a lot of heart and a great competitive spirit. And no doubt he has been hampered by poor coaching and play calling. And if he had all the top talent in the NFL around him he would probably look pretty damned good. But he is not a top talent. He has proved that over and over again. If his skills were as big as his heart we'd have already won a few playoff games since he got here.

I'd love to see Matt stay a Chief......at 1/4 the pay and as backup to a truly great QB.


Thats all Cassel should be. He has reached his full potential. He has heart but just does not have the ability. Great guy and he tried his very best. He is just not the man for the job.

chief31
11-14-2012, 12:18 PM
People who know football, don't defend Matt Cassel as if he can be a dependable starter in the NFL.
By this point of the season he should have overcome the poor play-calling, terrible pass-blocking and won a game or two his own.

But then... The drops are just too much.

You are doing the job properly, only to have your teammates turn a quality throw into a pick-six.

Cassel is not THE problem, and in my opinion, the least of our many problems on offense.

I remain primarily focused on the coaching.

I agree that Cassel could lead a very good offense, run-first or pass-happy, because I have seen him do both.

But you just can't expect his to carry a poor offense around anywhere, like a Manning, or Brees.

At least not yet.

And I expect that he will not be getting another chance here, unless he becomes a super-star in the second half of this season, which might get him a chance on some other team.

But I think The Chiefs will be forced by the fanbase to move on, one way, or another.

By the way.... The INT in OT was disgusting. But I have seen EVBERY great QB to EVER play the game do it. I see some comments pretending like it is just impossible to be so bad. That is not true.

Ryfo18
11-14-2012, 01:29 PM
I love how people keep blaming the O-line. I re-watch a lot of the games on NFL Game Rewind's All-22 film, and the problem isn't so much the O-line. It's more centered around the fact that this is a run-first offense. Teams stack the box, send 6-7 attackers at a time. With that kind of pressure, of course the O-line is going to look horrible at times. The opposite is true though, this is one of the best O-lines in the league.

Now, why is this a run-first offense? Because Matt Cassel is not anywhere near a capable passer to run a pass-first offense. He can't put defenses on their heels with his noodle arm and inaccurate tendencies.

I'll duplicate some stats I saw from ProFootballFocus to back up my point about the O-line being good.

1.) Matt Cassel holds on to the ball too long.

It takes Cassel on average 2.84 seconds to get the ball out (7th worst in the league). On the other hand, it takes an average of 3.84 seconds before Cassel is sacked. This is 5th best in the league. The O-line holds up very well in pass protection.

2.) Matt Cassel cannot read a defense, nor can he progress through is reads.

Re-watch the Pittsburgh game. On the second to last drive it was 3rd and 7. Cassel had Bowe wide open, but stuck w/ his first read, Moeaki, and delivered a terribly underthrown ball. You could read Daboll's lips "BOWE WAS OPEN." Here's the overhead camera:

http://twilton.com/sites/default/files/bowe_pass.jpg

I realize this is one play, but Cassel's tape is littered with this. He misses open receivers because he cannot progress through his reads, and he has not improved on this the last 4 years as a QB, to the point that we see his offensive coordinator yelling at him on the sideline for missing open receivers. If his first read is gone, he gets flustered and sits in the pocket until the O-line breaks down OR he takes off the second his first read isn't covered.


The O-line is one of the Chiefs' bright spots. Jeff Allen has struggled some as a rookie, but overall, the O-line is outstanding. Take a look at ProFootballFocus's O-line rankings after week 10, the Chiefs are rated the 4th best. And this is coming from the people who watch all 32 teams every week to establish these grades:

Source: Offensive Line Rankings: Week 10 Update | ProFootballFocus.com (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/13/offensive-line-rankings-week-10-update/3/)

The fact of the matter is the same people who are clamoring that "the O-line is bad, the O-line is bad" are the same people who wanted Albert moved from LT a couple of years ago. Today, Albert is one of the best LTs in the league. ProFootballFocus ranks him as the second best (behind Denver's Ryan Clady) when it comes to pass blocking. Albert has given up 1 sack and 3 QB hits in 9 games. OUTSTANDING.

To rehash, Cassel makes is his own O-line worse. Defenses are not afraid of him as a passer, so why not stack the box and send extra blitzers?

It makes me sick to my stomach that people can still defend him after an 11/26 performance in which he threw a backbreaking interception into triple coverage to lose the game. It's a broken record, Cassel plays awful against good teams, yet it's everyone else's fault.

And you want to talk drops? KC suffers their fair share of drops. But Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers both have higher drop percentages (drops per pass attempt) than Cassel. They have the two highest QB ratings in the league at 108 and 107.4, respectively.

If you're still making excuses for Cassel and claiming that the offense around him is the cause for this failure, you clearly are delusional. You continue blame other parts of the offense, regardless of the overwhelming evidence that instead points the finger directly at Matt Cassel. This team needs a new quarterback, and they will not go anywhere until that happens.

(Also, if you've never seen it, this thread is brilliant and continues to stack the evidence against Cassel: Chiefs The Declaration Of Independence, MO - The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel - ChiefsPlanet (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629)

I especially like the "Cassel Makes Offensive Linemen Worse" and the "Winning Teams Beat Cassel at an Alarming Rate.")

Keep defending Matt Cassel though, the guy with 19 turnovers in 9 games. The guy who can't beat winning teams. The guy who is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. Yeah, that's the guy who's the least of our problems on offense. I digress.

matthewschiefs
11-14-2012, 01:33 PM
I hate this kind of post, so let's follow this through to a logical conclusion:

1. It would see you are saying that since I believe Cassel is a problem, then I do not know football.

or

2. You qualify that only those people who do not know football would believe that Cassel is a problem

Either way, you leave a way out for yourself against counter argument because you set up a logical fallacy at the beginning of the post, thus cutting off any real, substantive debate, since your fallback will always be a statement like, "Well, you obviously do not know football."

I agree with you here I think the better name for this thread would be Cassel is not the ONLY problem That might have been better because I don't think anyone can deny much that Cassel and the QB spot is a problem.


OK, well on the point of Bowe, that horse is so dead and buried that most people are tired of talking about it. Bowe drops passes regularly, the knock on Cassel for me is why do you keep trying to throw him the ball? He is going to drop it over and over again.

TO WHO? Who would he throw it to? Bowe is dropping passes this year but he is still the best WR we have. I would be STUPID not to throw the ball to him. The point about Bowe is to show that Cassel is not the only thing to fix with this team.

And you want to talk about dead horses that's the bashing Cassel much more then Bowe.


As for Succop, yeah, he missed a field goal, it is pretty rare it happens overall he has done what he has been asked to do. It sucks that things fail once in a while. If Succop had 15 missed field goals on the season, the same as Cassel's 15 interceptions, then maybe there would be a point in calling that out.

I was talking about that game alone. People were acting like Cassels pick in OT single handly cost them the game. Well if others hadn't messed up then we wouldn't have been in OT like the missed field goal. That's all I was saying there.

matthewschiefs
11-14-2012, 01:48 PM
I love how people keep blaming the O-line. I re-watch a lot of the games on NFL Game Rewind's All-22 film, and the problem isn't so much the O-line. It's more centered around the fact that this is a run-first offense. Teams stack the box, send 6-7 attackers at a time. With that kind of pressure, of course the O-line is going to look horrible at times. The opposite is true though, this is one of the best O-lines in the league.

Now, why is this a run-first offense? Because Matt Cassel is not anywhere near a capable passer to run a pass-first offense. He can't put defenses on their heels with his noodle arm and inaccurate tendencies.

I'll duplicate some stats I saw from ProFootballFocus to back up my point about the O-line being good.

1.) Matt Cassel holds on to the ball too long.

It takes Cassel on average 2.84 seconds to get the ball out (7th worst in the league). On the other hand, it takes an average of 3.84 seconds before Cassel is sacked. This is 5th best in the league. The O-line holds up very well in pass protection.

2.) Matt Cassel cannot read a defense, nor can he progress through is reads.

Re-watch the Pittsburgh game. On the second to last drive it was 3rd and 7. Cassel had Bowe wide open, but stuck w/ his first read, Moeaki, and delivered a terribly underthrown ball. You could read Daboll's lips "BOWE WAS OPEN." Here's the overhead camera:

http://twilton.com/sites/default/files/bowe_pass.jpg

I realize this is one play, but Cassel's tape is littered with this. He misses open receivers because he cannot progress through his reads, and he has not improved on this the last 4 years as a QB, to the point that we see his offensive coordinator yelling at him on the sideline for missing open receivers. If his first read is gone, he gets flustered and sits in the pocket until the O-line breaks down OR he takes off the second his first read isn't covered.


The O-line is one of the Chiefs' bright spots. Jeff Allen has struggled some as a rookie, but overall, the O-line is outstanding. Take a look at ProFootballFocus's O-line rankings after week 10, the Chiefs are rated the 4th best. And this is coming from the people who watch all 32 teams every week to establish these grades:

Source: Offensive Line Rankings: Week 10 Update | ProFootballFocus.com (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/13/offensive-line-rankings-week-10-update/3/)

The fact of the matter is the same people who are clamoring that "the O-line is bad, the O-line is bad" are the same people who wanted Albert moved from LT a couple of years ago. Today, Albert is one of the best LTs in the league. ProFootballFocus ranks him as the second best (behind Denver's Ryan Clady) when it comes to pass blocking. Albert has given up 1 sack and 3 QB hits in 9 games. OUTSTANDING.

To rehash, Cassel makes is his own O-line worse. Defenses are not afraid of him as a passer, so why not stack the box and send extra blitzers?

It makes me sick to my stomach that people can still defend him after an 11/26 performance in which he threw a backbreaking interception into triple coverage to lose the game. It's a broken record, Cassel plays awful against good teams, yet it's everyone else's fault.

And you want to talk drops? KC suffers their fair share of drops. But Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers both have higher drop percentages (drops per pass attempt) than Cassel. They have the two highest QB ratings in the league at 108 and 107.4, respectively.

If you're still making excuses for Cassel and claiming that the offense around him is the cause for this failure, you clearly are delusional. You continue blame other parts of the offense, regardless of the overwhelming evidence that instead points the finger directly at Matt Cassel. This team needs a new quarterback, and they will not go anywhere until that happens.

(Also, if you've never seen it, this thread is brilliant and continues to stack the evidence against Cassel: Chiefs The Declaration Of Independence, MO - The People vs. Matthew Gus Brennan Cassel - ChiefsPlanet (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261629)

I especially like the "Cassel Makes Offensive Linemen Worse" and the "Winning Teams Beat Cassel at an Alarming Rate.")

Keep defending Matt Cassel though, the guy with 19 turnovers in 9 games. The guy who can't beat winning teams. The guy who is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. Yeah, that's the guy who's the least of our problems on offense. I digress.



That thread is SO 1 sided and unfair it's not funny. It just gives you blind numbers and doesn't include all the factors. That is a 100% UNFAIR way to look at things. That's where I put my Cassel was better in 2010 then Peyton Manning and Drew Brees thing. I give you the blind results and make a judgement Don't throw in any other factors You can spin things to make someone look as good or as bad as you want when you do that. That statement I say about Cassel being better then BRees and Manning is one of the dumbest things I have ever said but I can twist the blind numbers and make that statement. That article is so biased I can't take it seriously. When making a judgement you have to look at the whole picture and what goes into it not just the numbers.

OPLookn
11-14-2012, 04:40 PM
That thread is SO 1 sided and unfair it's not funny. It just gives you blind numbers and doesn't include all the factors. That is a 100% UNFAIR way to look at things. That's where I put my Cassel was better in 2010 then Peyton Manning and Drew Brees thing. I give you the blind results and make a judgement Don't throw in any other factors You can spin things to make someone look as good or as bad as you want when you do that. That statement I say about Cassel being better then BRees and Manning is one of the dumbest things I have ever said but I can twist the blind numbers and make that statement. That article is so biased I can't take it seriously. When making a judgement you have to look at the whole picture and what goes into it not just the numbers.

Yes you can spin number to make them look however you want. That's the beauty and curse of statistics. Hence the well known line...there's lies, d@mn lies and then there's statistics.

Bottom line, if you are going to seriously say that Matt Cassel deserves to be the starting QB of the Chiefs for the rest of this year and all of next then there's really nothing left to discuss. I don't care about what numbers he had in what year. Like you said, if you take his body of work over the past 4 years I don't want him as my starting QB and I don't want him in a Chiefs uniform.

I love the guy's heart, spirit and will to win but his ability to deliver that win doesn't match.

matthewschiefs
11-14-2012, 05:39 PM
Yes you can spin number to make them look however you want. That's the beauty and curse of statistics. Hence the well known line...there's lies, d@mn lies and then there's statistics.

Bottom line, if you are going to seriously say that Matt Cassel deserves to be the starting QB of the Chiefs for the rest of this year and all of next then there's really nothing left to discuss. I don't care about what numbers he had in what year. Like you said, if you take his body of work over the past 4 years I don't want him as my starting QB and I don't want him in a Chiefs uniform.

I love the guy's heart, spirit and will to win but his ability to deliver that win doesn't match.

This year I don't think it matters who the QB is so I'm fine with Cassel this year. We saw Quinn didn't change anything. So To me it doesn't matter who's starting at QB this year. Next year I WANT A CHANGE. It's time for a change.

My whole thing "defending Cassel" Is that a change at QB won't suddenly solve all our problems. It will solve a big one yes if it's the right QB but nowhere near all of them. Some think that if we get a new QB we would be a winner I would love to agree. I would love to but a new qb wouldn't solve

HORRIBLE coaching staff

A number 1 WR dropping passes, getting outplayed by the backup te and Dexter Mccluster against a bad Defense and still showboating when he does do well

CB play

D line play

O line play while it's better then before it still needs some work though our rookies are not a finished product yet.

GM who can't seem to get the right coach for this team

Qb is 1 of our problems and it's a big problem I just won't agree with anyone who thinks changing QBS will solve everything or make us a winning team.

Coach
11-14-2012, 06:32 PM
As much as we may hate Matt Cassel, he is still the best QB on this roster. And that falls squarely on Scott Pioli's shoulders.

I'm not in the "Fire Scott Pioli" camp yet, but the Qb personnel decisions are his fault. And so is the coaching debacle. I'm not sure Haley should have been hired or fired. I liked the addition of Crennel and Weis as coordinators. Then things went drastically wrong. Fighting between Haley and Weis leads to Weis skipping town. Fighting between Pioli and Haley leads to Haley being fired. Crennel getting hired despite his underwhelming resume as a head coach. They all lead to Pioli.

Unlike others on this board, I have liked the majority of his draft choices. Especially last years draft. Scott Pioli's future in KC rests in two decisions. Who he drafts as the QB of the future and who he hires as Crennel's replacement.

I believe Crennel being replaced is a foregone conclusion and will happen at the end of the season. It would have already happened if there was a viable replacement in this staff.

doobs_05
11-14-2012, 07:36 PM
Well at least cassel plays with great teammates...unlike Tebow

Jets teammate says Tim Tebow can’t start because “he’s terrible” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/jets-teammate-says-tim-tebow-cant-start-because-hes-terrible/#comments)

I feel terrible for tebow, hopefuly he gets out next year and goes somewhere to get a shot or something.

ctchiefsfan
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Well at least cassel plays with great teammates...unlike Tebow

Jets teammate says Tim Tebow can’t start because “he’s terrible” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/jets-teammate-says-tim-tebow-cant-start-because-hes-terrible/#comments)

I feel terrible for tebow, hopefuly he gets out next year and goes somewhere to get a shot or something.

Tim Tebow.......GREAT backup....not a starter.

doobs_05
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Tim Tebow.......GREAT backup....not a starter.

So he's just as good as Cassel?

AussieChiefsFan
11-14-2012, 08:56 PM
he used to be THE weak link. Now he's one of multiple weak pinks. I think coaching is a main problem

Dick Richards
11-15-2012, 01:10 AM
As much as we may hate Matt Cassel, he is still the best QB on this roster. And that falls squarely on Scott Pioli's shoulders.

I'm not in the "Fire Scott Pioli" camp yet, but the Qb personnel decisions are his fault. And so is the coaching debacle. I'm not sure Haley should have been hired or fired. I liked the addition of Crennel and Weis as coordinators. Then things went drastically wrong. Fighting between Haley and Weis leads to Weis skipping town. Fighting between Pioli and Haley leads to Haley being fired. Crennel getting hired despite his underwhelming resume as a head coach. They all lead to Pioli.

Unlike others on this board, I have liked the majority of his draft choices. Especially last years draft. Scott Pioli's future in KC rests in two decisions. Who he drafts as the QB of the future and who he hires as Crennel's replacement.

I believe Crennel being replaced is a foregone conclusion and will happen at the end of the season. It would have already happened if there was a viable replacement in this staff.

Im not sure how you could still support Pioli? Its pretty obvious along with a little bad luck, his descisions have made the Chiefs what they are today (LOSERS)!

therick58
11-15-2012, 02:06 AM
The point I was trying to make was this. Cassell is terrible no doubt but he gets all the blame and this is innacurate. Also it seems to me that this team has lost heart and will to win...Cassell hasn't. That's all.

MyManHali
11-15-2012, 02:15 AM
As much as we may hate Matt Cassel, he is still the best QB on this roster. And that falls squarely on Scott Pioli's shoulders.

I'm not in the "Fire Scott Pioli" camp yet, but the Qb personnel decisions are his fault. And so is the coaching debacle. I'm not sure Haley should have been hired or fired. I liked the addition of Crennel and Weis as coordinators. Then things went drastically wrong. Fighting between Haley and Weis leads to Weis skipping town. Fighting between Pioli and Haley leads to Haley being fired. Crennel getting hired despite his underwhelming resume as a head coach. They all lead to Pioli.

Unlike others on this board, I have liked the majority of his draft choices. Especially last years draft. Scott Pioli's future in KC rests in two decisions. Who he drafts as the QB of the future and who he hires as Crennel's replacement.

I believe Crennel being replaced is a foregone conclusion and will happen at the end of the season. It would have already happened if there was a viable replacement in this staff.


Why should Pioli stay as Chiefs' GM?

ctchiefsfan
11-15-2012, 03:54 AM
So he's just as good as Cassel?

Sort of, but in a different way.

You've been a football fan long enough to know that when the starting QB gets hurt in a game the backup often comes in and lights a spark. The change in QB often throws such a monkey wrench in the other team's defensive plan that he (the backup QB) can win a bunch of games. Look at what Tebow did for the Donks last year. Look at what Orton did for us last year. Tebow won a bunch of games. Orton won a few....not because they were great QBs, but because defenses had no clue how to game plan for them. When a defense hasn't had a chance to study extensive film of a QB it's much harder to defense against him.

But in another way, Tebow is just as good as Cassel.... a fine backup but never a long-term solution at QB. I thought Cassel could be a long term solution at QB, but I was wrong on that. Time has proven it.