Official Chiefs at Raiders game Day Thread 12-16-2012

[TopekaRoy]

Kansas City Chiefs (2-11)
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vs.
Oakland Raiders (3-10)
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Sunday, December 16, 3:25PM Central Time

at

Oakland Colliseum, Oakland, CA
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on
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Watch online: Kansas City Chiefs vs Oakland Raiders Live Stream Online (http://www.thefirstrow.eu/sport/american-football.html)

[TopekaRoy]

Team Leaders
Chiefs
Offense:
Passing
Matt Cassel (not starting)
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161-277, 1796 yds, 6 TDs, 12 INTs

Brady Quinn
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77-127 794 yds, 1 TDs, 5 INTs

Rushing
Jamaal Charles
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240 carries, 1220 yds, 4 TDs

Receiving
Dwayne Bowe
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59 rec, 801 yds, 3 TDs

Defense:
Tackles
Derrick Johnson
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104 tackles (91 solo)

Sacks
Justin Houston
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10 sacks
Tamba Hali
8 sacks

Interceptions
Brandon Flowers
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3 INTs

Full team stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/stats)

[TopekaRoy]

Raiders
Offense:
Passing
Carson Palmer
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324-533, 3804 yds, 22 TDs, 14 INTs

Rushing
Darren McFadden
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150 carries, 507 yds, 2 TDs

Receiving
Brandon Myers
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70 rec, 728 yds, 4 TDs

Defense:
Tackles
Phillip Wheeler
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97 tackles (68 solo)

Sacks
Lamar Houston
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3 sacks

Interceptions
Michael Huff, Matt Giordano and Phillip Adams
all tied with 2 INTs each

Full team stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/stats)

[TopekaRoy]

Notable Quotables

Chiefs: "It's pretty special. I think it's special to everyone in this building. I know it's special to everyone out there in Oakland. When you think of Oakland, you think tough, physical team. We're going to have to match it and probably surpass that to get a win."

—Chiefs right tackle Eric Winston on the rivalry game between the Chiefs and Raiders.

Browns: "It won't be a distraction. We won't allow it to be a distraction."

—Raiders coach Dennis Allen on Rolando McClain's return to the 53-man roster following a two-game suspension.

Spread: Browns by 3, Over/Under 44

Game Day Forcast: Mostly Cloudy, 60% chance of Rain, 57 Degrees

ESPN Preview
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Oakland Raiders - Preview - December 16, 2012 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/nflpreview?gameId=321216013)

Battling through a dismal season on and off the field, one of the Kansas City Chiefs' few positives has come in the form of inspirational performances from the player possibly affected the most by the recent tragic events.

Jamaal Charles likely hopes to get more opportunities to shine against the Oakland Raiders this time around.

Riding three consecutive 100-yard games, Charles looks to help guide Kansas City to its ninth victory in its last 10 visits to Oakland without top receiver Dwayne Bowe when these AFC West rivals meet Sunday.

Not only did Charles lose a teammate in the Jovan Belcher murder-suicide Dec. 1, but his wife's cousin, Kasandra Perkins, was the victim. Despite the tragedy, ensuing memorial services, wakes and funerals, Charles has managed to stay focused while not speaking publicly.

Charles, who leads the AFC with 1,220 rushing yards, ran for 127 in Kansas City's 27-21 victory over Carolina one day after the Belcher incident, following up a 107-yard effort in a loss to Denver one week earlier.

He scampered for an 80-yard touchdown on the first play of last Sunday's 30-7 loss to Cleveland, finishing with 165 yards for the struggling Chiefs (2-11).

"I think it speaks to the character of him as a man, how he's able to have an optimistic perspective despite all the things he's been through right now," said Brady Quinn, who completed only 10 of 21 passes for 159 yards and an interception against the Browns. "It really speaks to who he is as man."

Charles last rushed for over 100 yards in four straight games during the last four weeks of the 2009 season. To match that mark he'll have to overcome a Raiders defense likely focused on stopping the run with Bowe missing at least this contest with injuried ribs.

"We've leaned on him all year," coach Romeo Crennel said of Charles. "He's been the consistent staple in our offense. We kind of lean on him."

It hasn't been quite all season as Crennel suggested, seeing as Charles had only five carries and caught three passes for a total of 10 yards in a 26-16 loss to Oakland on Oct. 28 -- a surprising development Crennel explained only by saying, "Now, that I'm not exactly sure, either."

Raiders coach Dennis Allen doesn't foresee Charles playing such a limited role this time around, though, as Charles has rushed for at least 100 yards in four of the six games since that contest.

"I would think that they would turn around and hand the ball off to him. He's one of the more explosive players in the league," Allen said. "I would anticipate they would try to get him the ball."

Oakland, which has lost six straight since beating the Chiefs, and Kansas City each are allowing 131.2 rushing yards per game -- tied for 26th in the NFL -- and the Raiders (3-10) hope to get some production from their top back as well.

Darren McFadden, who ran for a season-high 114 yards in the first meeting, rushed 11 times for 52 yards before tweaking his already injured right ankle in the fourth quarter of last Thursday's 26-13 loss to Denver.

He had missed the previous four games with the injury, but the long layoff has given McFadden time to heal. He's expected to play Sunday, and defensive end Richard Seymour, who has missed the last five games after suffering a Grade 2 hamstring tear against Tampa Bay on Nov. 4, also could be ready to go.

"I thought he looked well and yeah, I think there's a good chance he's going to play this week," Allen said.

Linebacker Rolando McClain was reinstated Monday after serving a two-game suspension following an argument with Allen at practice Nov. 28. A team that's allowing a league-worst 30.9 points per game can use all the defensive help it can get, especially facing Charles.

Allen, though, is aware Oakland also is building for the future with 2012 being a lost season. He said younger players will see more time over the final three games, including former Ohio State star quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who has yet to take an official NFL snap in his two seasons.

"All of us, as competitors, we want to win," Allen said. "But I also understand, and I've got a big-picture view of what I want this football team to look like. We've got to prepare for the future."

Both Charles and McFadden were out with injuries for Kansas City's 28-0 victory Oct. 23, 2011, in the most recent meeting in Oakland.

[TopekaRoy]

I'm getting this one in a little early because I don't think I will have time to get on line Saturday.

Go Chiefs!

[N TX Dave]

I always want us to win especially the tRaiders, but this one I am not to sure who I want to win, maybe end up in a 3-3 tie that would keep us in front of them in the draft. If we win the tRaiders will get to pick in front of us and they will take who we want just to pi$$ us off for no other reason. This is the first time I have ever felt this way since the Texans moved to KC, I just don't know.

[Chiefster]

I always want us to win especially the tRaiders, but this one I am not to sure who I want to win, maybe end up in a 3-3 tie that would keep us in front of them in the draft. If we win the tRaiders will get to pick in front of us and they will take who we want just to pi$$ us off for no other reason. This is the first time I have ever felt this way since the Texans moved to KC, I just don't know.

Yeah, as a Chiefs fan I hate feeling conflicted about winning a game, let alone a game against the Raiders.

[MyManHali]

If we lose we are guaranteed atleast the second pick in the draft.

Go Raiders!

[N TX Dave]

If we lose we are guaranteed atleast the second pick in the draft.

Go Raiders!

Yes but it is the tRaiders, I find it real hard to rout for them and against the Chiefs, it just goes against my grain. Like I said if it ended up in a tie would be okay we would still pick before them.

[MyManHali]

Yes but it is the tRaiders, I find it real hard to rout for them and against the Chiefs, it just goes against my grain. Like I said if it ended up in a tie would be okay we would still pick before them.


Dave you can do it my friend, I will help you.

[AkChief49]

I'm good with the second pick- to heck with the Faders!!!

[Yoda]

Meh.... This game has zero meaning. Win or lose both teams will have a high draft pick(which doesn't mean much in this draft) and both teams have a very long way to go to return into contention .

[Chiefster]

Meh.... This game has zero meaning. Win or lose both teams will have a high draft pick(which doesn't mean much in this draft) and both teams have a very long way to go to return into contention .


Quoted for truth.

[ctchiefsfan]

MMO who was banned and now pretends to be MMH has proved yet again that he is no true Chiefs fan. The Chiefs MUST beat the Raiders.....because they are the Raiders.

[MyManHali]

MMO who was banned and now pretends to be MMH has proved yet again that he is no true Chiefs fan. The Chiefs MUST beat the Raiders.....because they are the Raiders.


We need the best pick in the draft to help turn around this franchise. Only a true fan would want that. Joy can come in the morning.

[matthewschiefs]

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any fan that cheers for the faiders can just GTFO IMO

I will NEVER cheer for the faiders to beat the Chiefs I don't care about a 1st pick. I hope Yodas day is not that good at all.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Three7s]

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any fan that cheers for the faiders can just GTFO IMO

I will NEVER cheer for the faiders to beat the Chiefs I don't care about a 1st pick. I hope Yodas day is not that good at all.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clark Hunt loves your money.

3 more for Geno!

[kcvet]

will Breaston suit up??? I don't want to a*s/u/me anything

[MyManHali]

Clark Hunt loves your money.

3 more for Geno!



Geno Geno Geno!

[matthewschiefs]

Hopefully Palmer keeps throwing to our guys like he has since he has been with the faiders

[matthewschiefs]

Two chiefs run into each other and hurt themselfs

sums up our season I would say

[matthewschiefs]

Breaston is once again inactive anther wise move by this coaching staff :(

[nigeriannightmare]

We just aren't playing good football.

[brdempsey69]

Here it is again, the Raiders Defensive front 7 is getting the better of the Chiefs O-Line.

[matthewschiefs]

Maybe we can get a safty and win 2-0

[matthewschiefs]

Here it is again, the Raiders Defensive front 7 is getting the better of the Chiefs O-Line.


Yep 2 drop backs and had very little time to throw the ball but I'm sure its the QBs fault they weren't protecting

[matthewschiefs]

And 2 dumb penalties in the first 5 minuits how much more do you need to see this coaching staff is whats holding us back the most?

[matthewschiefs]

The first team to get a kick return for a td wins

[matthewschiefs]

Gee they haven't been ready for our runs it's almost like they see it coming

[matthewschiefs]

Wylie clearly understands the offense more then Breaston :s

[Bike]

STANZI - Let him play.

[N TX Dave]

Breaston is inactive again! How can you say Stanzi has been given a chance to show anything when the best WR on the team is not even active on gameday?

[N TX Dave]

Lenny just said that the tRaiders game plan is to run the ball, well why don't we put 8 in the box to stop it like they are stacking the box to stop our run?

[matthewschiefs]

Lenny just said that the tRaiders game plan is to run the ball, well why don't we put 8 in the box to stop it like they are stacking the box to stop our run?

Because that would require our coaching staff to do something smart they just can't do it

[brdempsey69]

A whopping -5 yards on Offense thus far.

[matthewschiefs]

All that work by charles just to have it brought back

[matthewschiefs]

This is so freaking hard to watch

[Yoda]

Very, very, very ugly game by both teams. But what else did we all expect.

[Ryfo18]

This is what happens when you have no downfield passing attack...Bear in mind this Oakland defense has 20 or more points in every game but 1 this year (KC the first time).

LET'S DRAFT TE'O!

[N TX Dave]

Man we have turned to the tRaiders 3 penalties for 35 yards all ready and only one for the bad guys.

Half way through the second 1/4 and no first downs.

[reded]

Worst. Team. Ever...!

[matthewschiefs]

I guess Breaston is just a dumb@#& if he can't understand the offense better then the WRs that are out there today

[Ryfo18]

No first downs....Once again, this is the worst D in the league.

[N TX Dave]

I can not believe 6 possessions with five three and outs and one int. 17 total yards of total offensive while the defense has given up 184 yards.

[Ryfo18]

I can not believe 6 possessions with five three and outs and one int. 17 total yards of total offensive while the defense has given up 184 yards.

So let's draft Te'o.

[N TX Dave]

Why would we call a time out?

[#58ChiefsFan]

http://chiefconcerns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ERIC-WINSTON-Locker.jpg

Sickening,

[N TX Dave]

So let's draft Te'o.

If that is directed to me I am not saying draft Te'o all I am saying is don't blindly draft a QB we need to look at all players and get the best player available in a position of need, if it is a QB great if not so be it.

[Miller]

This is so bad I don't even have words.

[Ryfo18]

If that is directed to me I am not saying draft Te'o all I am saying is don't blindly draft a QB we need to look at all players and get the best player available in a position of need, if it is a QB great if not so be it.

It's not.

[N TX Dave]

This is so bad I don't even have words.

That was sooo bad that I think I will stop following it on gamecast and listening to the broadcast to play Diablo III.

[matthewschiefs]

If that is directed to me I am not saying draft Te'o all I am saying is don't blindly draft a QB we need to look at all players and get the best player available in a position of need, if it is a QB great if not so be it.

Anyone not named Geno is unacceptable

[Ryfo18]

Anyone not named Geno is unacceptable

I'm down w/ Geno, down w/ Wilson, down w/ Dysert.

[Yoda]

I can totally see the Chiefs pulling this out. The Raiders fall apart after halftime

[matthewschiefs]

I can totally see the Chiefs pulling this out. The Raiders fall apart after halftime

Sadly if your coaching staff has made 1 adjustment this will be a blow out for you guys as ours haven't been able to make 1 this whole season

[KCraised]

This is like a bye week for.our offense...

[Yoda]

I just want to see some more Terrell Pryor

[Ryfo18]

Can we get a Te'o chant going in here?

[brdempsey69]

Can we get a Te'o chant going in here?

Te'o T'EO !!

NOT!!

[drstandley31]

the most pathetic game of football ever. back out the penalty yards and we're minus 14 on the day. Against one of the very worst teams in the NFL. amazing.

[brdempsey69]

If the Raiders put it into the end zone just one time, then this game is over.

[Ryfo18]

Maybe Te'o can pick up a first down against the worst D in the league...

[Ryfo18]

Should also serve as a wake up call for anyone that wanted Bowe gone.

[matthewschiefs]

Maybe Te'o can pick up a first down against the worst D in the league...

Booo Hoooo people think we should look at someone that I don't want so now I'm going to be a smart*** about it :ninerssuck: :ninerssuck: :ninerssuck:

[MyManHali]

Maybe Te'o can pick up a first down against the worst D in the league...



Exactly. I dont care how good your d is, you can't beat anyone when you score 0 points.

[Ryfo18]

Booo Hoooo people think we should look at someone that I don't want so now I'm going to be a smart*** about it :ninerssuck: :ninerssuck: :ninerssuck:

Explain to me how I'm whining?

[Yoda]

Raiders not going for it on 4th down is pathetic. What do they have to lose.

[2010chiefs]

How do our wrs play in the nfl.

[brdempsey69]

Exactly. I dont care how good your d is, you can't beat anyone when you score 0 points.


Should also serve as a wake up call for anyone that wanted Bowe gone.

The teams biggest needs are obviously QB's and WR's going into next season & if people can't see that and still want to draft Te'o, then they are blatantly being blind.

[matthewschiefs]

Explain to me how I'm whining?

You're Going on and on with your smart*** remarks about Teo No one has even said anything about him in this thread but you. But you keep going on and on about it if anyone dares not to share your opinion you have to make all the comments really?

[Eydugstr]

Oh, NOW I get it. Dabol has invented a "three and out" offensive system which makes sure the Defense has ample playing time.

:beer: :toast2: :beer:

Raiders->:beat_DeadHorse: <-Chiefs

[Yoda]

Flag!!! That's just football.Great hit

[MyManHali]

We are all seeing why we should NOT be taking Te'o in this year's draft, go qb.

[2010chiefs]

No to teo. Sry but we need offensive players badly. Qb, wr, and te. Get rid of hillis as well. Hes useless!

[MyManHali]

PI! The only way we can move the ball down the field!

[Yoda]

I'm shocked KC hasn't challenged more vs a pathetic Raiders defensive backfield

[nigeriannightmare]

So let's draft Te'o.

Our best offensie player has 7 touches.....last time we played it was 5.

[KCraised]

Just flat out embarrassing

[drstandley31]

Against Denver we're 4th and 2 feet for the first down inside the 5, and we kick a field goal. Now we're 4th and goal from the 9, in a 9 point game, and they go for it. OMG!!!

[Ryfo18]

Our best offensie player has 7 touches.....last time we played it was 5.

That's b/c the Raiders have sold out to stop him...Because Brady Quinn can't move the offense on his own. 1+1=2.

[MyManHali]

That's b/c the Raiders have sold out to stop him...Because Brady Quinn can't move the offense on his own. 1+1=2.


They have packed the box the entire game.

[drstandley31]

If anybody on this board, was .350 successful in your job, you'd be fired by the end of the week. But Romeo somehow makes a career like that, and make more than all of us.

[brdempsey69]

Our best offensie player has 7 touches.....last time we played it was 5.

That's because he's getting smothered every single time he touches the ball (except for the play called back for holding) -- just like last time.

It shows that this team cannot move forward if their Offense relies solely on Charles, alone. It's a passing league & the Chiefs don't have the men to make it work. Drafting an ILB with their first pick does nothing to address that issue.

[nigeriannightmare]

Maybe Te'o can pick up a first down against the worst D in the league...

Now you are just being a freaking d@@k. I have said qb and I have said theat IMO there's not much of a difference between Tyler Wilson and Geno and feel that if there is a scenario that we can get both a te'o and a Wilson it far out weighs just getting Geno. You are stuck on Geno I think he's gonna suck big time. You aren't gonna change mind so act like an adult. We get the freaking point you don't want te'o....but I guess it's just easy to be a d@@k when typing on the Internet. Okay cool guy I get it you don't want te'o maybe you can type it a few more times.

[drstandley31]

The teams biggest needs are obviously QB's and WR's going into next season & if people can't see that and still want to draft Te'o, then they are blatantly being blind.
Well if there's not a QB or WR worth the first round pick, then you either take the best player available, or trade it. You can't pick what's not there!

[Ryfo18]

Now you are just being a freaking d@@k. I have said qb and I have said theat IMO there's not much of a difference between Tyler Wilson and Geno and feel that if there is a scenario that we can get both a te'o and a Wilson it far out weighs just getting Geno. You are stuck on Geno I think he's gonna suck big time. You aren't gonna change mind so act like an adult. We get the freaking point you don't want te'o....but I guess it's just easy to be a d@@k when typing on the Internet. Okay cool guy I get it you don't want te'o maybe you can type it a few more times.

I like Geno the best. If they draft Wilson or Dysert, I'm still happy. Anything but Te'o. He's the last thing we need. Just because I'm right about this team not needing Te'o does not make me a dick.

[AkChief49]

Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi, Stanzi,

[nigeriannightmare]

Well if there's not a QB or WR worth the first round pick, then you either take the best player available, or trade it. You can't pick what's not there!

Dude Geno smith has that game against Baylor and everyone is like this is the best qb going into the draft. He then is the talk of college football. And most people thought well let's see what he's made of when he gets to the meat of the soft big 12 schedule he played and they can say what ever the f they want that kstate game and Texas tech game he sucked he folded.

Winning breads success not five game losing streaks. He's immature....a 2 and 14 team, you think this guy has the fortitude to handle it. He's a prima Donna. I'd much rather have Tyler Wilson or Matt Barkley.

[nigeriannightmare]

I like Geno the best. If they draft Wilson or Dysert, I'm still happy. Anything but Te'o. He's the last thing we need. Just because I'm right about this team not needing Te'o does not make me a dick.

You being a d@@k makes you a d@@k. Can te'o get a first down, yeah the d sucks draft te'o.....dude u have made d@@k comments continuously.

[Ryfo18]

Dude Geno smith has that game against Baylor and everyone is like this is the best qb going into the draft. He then is the talk of college football. And most people thought well let's see what he's made of when he gets to the meat of the soft big 12 schedule he played and they can say what ever the f they want that kstate game and Texas tech game he sucked he folded.

Winning breads success not five game losing streaks. He's immature....a 2 and 14 team, you think this guy has the fortitude to handle it. He's a prima Donna. I'd much rather have Tyler Wilson or Matt Barkley.

You write a whole post about how record is important, and then say you'd rather have QBs who went 4-8 (Wilson) and (7-4) Barkley. I'm laughing so hard right now.

[drstandley31]

pretty sad when one of NFL's best and meanest rivalrys is going on, and we're all arguing who we should pick in the draft. this just blows!

[nigeriannightmare]

That's because he's getting smothered every single time he touches the ball (except for the play called back for holding) -- just like last time.

It shows that this team cannot move forward if their Offense relies solely on Charles, alone. It's a passing league & the Chiefs don't have the men to make it work. Drafting an ILB with their first pick does nothing to address that issue.

So running jamaal Charles between the tackles is the only way to use him. Has Brian daboll made one offensive adjustment this season?????

[matthewschiefs]

You write a whole post about how record is important, and then say you'd rather have QBs who went 4-8 (Wilson) and (7-4) Barkley. I'm laughing so hard right now.

7-4>7-5

but feel free to keep kissing Geno's backside

[brdempsey69]

Well if there's not a QB or WR worth the first round pick, then you either take the best player available, or trade it. You can't pick what's not there!

...and you don't waste the pick on something you DON'T need. QB's always move up the draft board. I can go on and on with a list of examples. They may not be able to trade it, then what? The only logical alternative may be to work a trade with Wash. for Kirk Cousins and then they can go BPA with the 1st pick.

[Ryfo18]

7-4>7-5

but feel free to keep kissing Geno's backside

So Barkley didn't play vs Notre Dame. This is where it gets interesting.

If Barkley plays vs Notre Dame and wins, the spotlight on Te'o is much less.

If he plays and loses, he's 7-5 (USC is 7-5 by the way).

I don't need to remind you either that West Virginia has the 121st worst D out of 124 teams.

[matthewschiefs]

So Barkley didn't play vs Notre Dame. This is where it gets interesting.

If Barkley plays vs Notre Dame and wins, the spotlight on Te'o is much less.

If he plays and loses, he's 7-5 (USC is 7-5 by the way).

I don't need to remind you either that West Virginia has the 121st worst D out of 124 teams.

So now your just making stuff up

you don't know what would have happened if Barkley played ND no one ever will

At worst Barkely would have had the same record as Geno but yet your laughing at a guy who went 7-4

but like i said keep kissing genos backside

[Ryfo18]

So now your just making stuff up

you don't know what would have happened if Barkley played ND no one ever will

At worst Barkely would have had the same record as Geno but yet your laughing at a guy who went 7-4

but like i said keep kissing genos backside

And you're laughing at a guy that went 7-5 w/ the 119th worst D in the NFL.

By the way, USC had the 36th best scoring D. Keep trying, bub.

Of course I don't know what would have happened if Barkley played. I do know that Geno/Barkley had pretty much the same record. One played for close to the worst D's in the league (Geno). One had better stats across the board...71% of passes completed, 40:6 TD:INT ratio. 64% 36:15 TD:INT ratio. Guess who is who.

[nigeriannightmare]

So Barkley didn't play vs Notre Dame. This is where it gets interesting.

If Barkley plays vs Notre Dame and wins, the spotlight on Te'o is much less.

If he plays and loses, he's 7-5 (USC is 7-5 by the way).

I don't need to remind you either that West Virginia has the 121st worst D out of 124 teams.

And te'o plays with the 75 worst offense of 124 schools and didn't play a party cake schedule either. Pretty sure notre dame held the Oklahoma offense to 13 yards rushing.....13.

[MyManHali]

We can all agree now on this:


We need a qb much more than Te'o.

We need a WR.

We need a starting CB/CB depth.


This is the worst football game I have ever seen.

[nigeriannightmare]

You write a whole post about how record is important, and then say you'd rather have QBs who went 4-8 (Wilson) and (7-4) Barkley. I'm laughing so hard right now.

You honestly think petrino coaching Wilson and they go four and eight. And you are the one laughing . Arkansas had national championship aspirations petrino is that good of a college coach... He is. Barkley had a bad year but the Pac 10 was tough a lot tougher than the big 12 and that is something you can not debate.

[MyManHali]

And te'o plays with the 75 worst offense of 124 schools and didn't play a party cake schedule either. Pretty sure notre dame held the Oklahoma offense to 13 yards rushing.....13.


Are you even watching the game today?

[Miller]

I see the end is near for Romeo/Peoli. They have gone for it on every red zone 4th down. I bet it will not be long before they are both gone.

[Yoda]

Te'o is an outstanding college LB but as an impact NLF LB....I don't think so

[matthewschiefs]

And you're laughing at a guy that went 7-5 w/ the 119th worst D in the NFL.

By the way, USC had the 36th best scoring D. Keep trying, bub.

Oh yes the double standard when our qbs are always the reason we lose even when the d is horrid but for your guy you suddenly want to mention the defense poor play.

Something tells me if we saw this offense play like this with Geno you would be willing to look at what Wrs he has had to work with. You would be talking about the Dumb*** choice to leave the best WR we have on the roster inactive AGAIN You would be willing to mention that the qbs been sacked 9 times in the last 2 games.

I will hold Geno smith to your standards he is the one to blame for 3 of there 5 losses because he turned the ball over that excuses the poor d right? Your standards say he is

[nigeriannightmare]

So Barkley didn't play vs Notre Dame. This is where it gets interesting.

If Barkley plays vs Notre Dame and wins, the spotlight on Te'o is much less.

If he plays and loses, he's 7-5 (USC is 7-5 by the way).

I don't need to remind you either that West Virginia has the 121st worst D out of 124 teams.

Geno had that monster game against Baylor and your posts, which I'm too lazy to look up was blow for Geno. You can think what you want and until he proves it... I think Geno is mentally tough enough to handle it and will get crushed in the nfl.

[MyManHali]

Te'o is an outstanding college LB but as an impact NLF LB....I don't think so



It amazes me how people watch the game today, see our offense score 0 points and still want to draft a position we don't even need.

It's unbelievable really.

[nigeriannightmare]

Are you even watching the game today?

Yeah the offense is terrible. You think Geno smith is gonna stand to the punishment Brodie has taken today.

[Ryfo18]

Yeah the offense is terrible. You think Geno smith is gonna stand to the punishment Brodie has taken today.

You don't even know who the Chiefs QB is.

[matthewschiefs]

It amazes me how people watch the game today, see our offense score 0 points and still want to draft a position we don't even need.

It's unbelievable really.

Strange one of the guys calling the game had LBer being in our top 3 needs. But I'm sure you know more then a guy who gets paid to break teams down. Gms are pounding on your door to be there head coach I'm sure.

[MyManHali]

Strange one of the guys calling the game had LBer being in our top 3 needs. But I'm sure you know more then a guy who gets paid to break teams down. Gms are pounding on your door to be there head coach I'm sure.



And what was the first need position he listed?

Anyone?

[brdempsey69]

It amazes me how people watch the game today, see our offense score 0 points and still want to draft a position we don't even need.

It's unbelievable really.

They must enjoy watching the Raiders Defense smother the Chiefs Offense, year in and year out. It's been going on from 2007 to the present.

[matthewschiefs]

And what was the first need position he listed?

Anyone?

QB you see I have not hid the fact that we need a QB. I have said it over and over again then again I don't have my lips on geno smiths rear end.

[drstandley31]

Can't wait to see Romeo's press conference. What happened today Romeo? Well, I don't really know, we just need to play a bit better, and keep working. I thought the punter did a good job. I think our LB's did a nice job of keeping them out of the end zone. blah, blah, blah

[nigeriannightmare]

They must enjoy watching the Raiders Defense smother the Chiefs Offense, year in and year out. It's been going on from 2007 to the present.

Dude Geno smith ain't gonna do ****e when a qb gets sacked four times knocked down 11 and hurried 9....and then rush for a whopping 10 yards No qb is gonna have success.

[MyManHali]

QB you see I have not hid the fact that we need a QB. I have said it over and over again then again I don't have my lips on geno smiths rear end.


We take the best qb available, whoever that may be. Geno Smith? Fine.

Just address the qb position please.

[Yoda]

It amazes me how people watch the game today, see our offense score 0 points and still want to draft a position we don't even need.

It's unbelievable really.

The smartest thing for either team would be to trade down and build up more picks. Especially in this draft.

[matthewschiefs]

They must enjoy watching the Raiders Defense smother the Chiefs Offense, year in and year out. It's been going on from 2007 to the present.

It's not that at all. We just don't look at just one problem and dare to think that if we see someone who shows us something more in a workout and we don't see a Qb that really shows much we should go with the player that shows something we dare to look at the problem as a whole not just part of it

[drstandley31]

They must enjoy watching the Raiders Defense smother the Chiefs Offense, year in and year out. It's been going on from 2007 to the present.
No Sht. we need a QB. But as it's been said a 1000 times before, you can't draft what's not there!!!!! WTF?

[MyManHali]

Dear Scott Pioli:

F*** You.


Sincerely,

MMH

[matthewschiefs]

No Sht. we need a QB. But as it's been said a 1000 times before, you can't draft what's not there!!!!! WTF?

THIS

I'm not saying A qb isn't there to draft but we have got to be smart about it if we don't see it there don't draft it do something else. There's more then one way to get a QB

[Yoda]

Raiders win....yippee....meh....

[matthewschiefs]

Raiders win....yippee....meh....

well congrats yoda no it hasn't been much for you guys either but you swept us this year. Would you guys please hire Romeo as your head coach lol

[nigeriannightmare]

No Sht. we need a QB. But as it's been said a 1000 times before, you can't draft what's not there!!!!! WTF?

Goodluck getting that point across. A gang sign flashing 22 year old apparently can carry a franchise on his shoulders....well maybe.... But maybe is better ban getting someone that can and will . Geno smith is a punk period.

[MyManHali]

Now all we need to do is drop the next 2 to indy and denver which really shouldn't be a problem.

This is the worst offense I have ever seen.

[Bike]

The smartest thing for either team would be to trade down and build up more picks. Especially in this draft.
Whose gonna be tradin' up - especially in this draft?

[MyManHali]

No Sht. we need a QB. But as it's been said a 1000 times before, you can't draft what's not there!!!!! WTF?



So there are no capable qb's in the draft? WTF

[matthewschiefs]

Whose gonna be tradin' up - especially in this draft?

I think we could possibly get Cousins from the Skins for a pick or 2 since they traded so many to get RGIII They might be willing to let him go with RGIII to get some of those picks back that's all I can think of

[Yoda]

Whose gonna be tradin' up - especially in this draft?

That's the problem

[matthewschiefs]

So there are no capable qb's in the draft? WTF

No one knows that. That's why you work them out and they have all that pre draft stuff to figure it out

[MyManHali]

No one knows that. That's why you work them out and they have all that pre draft stuff to figure it out



I understand that, but why is he saying "You can't draft whats not there."

How does he know there aren't good qb's in the draft?

[Ryfo18]

If Te'o is in the lineup today the Chiefs lose 15-0.

[matthewschiefs]

If Te'o is in the lineup today the Chiefs lose 15-0.

If Geno Smith is in the lineup today the Chiefs lose 15-0

[Miller]

If Te'o is in the lineup today the Chiefs lose 15-0.

If these coaches are coaching it would not matter if Jesus Christ and Chuck Norris lined up, they would suck. The coaches are clueless

[matthewschiefs]

If these coaches are coaching it would not matter if Jesus Christ and Chuck Norris lined up, they would suck. The coaches are clueless

THIS THIS AND THIS

[Bike]

Winning is a mindset that trickles down from top to bottom. That mindset is currently non-existent in KC.

[nigeriannightmare]

I understand that, but why is he saying "You can't draft whats not there."

How does he know there aren't good qb's in the draft?

Geno smith at number one is an extreme reach considering he would year he would have been out of the top ten for sure. Tannehill was drafted by Miami because the OC was his coach in college so don't say they would have drafted Geno that's an opinion and can't be proven.

[Miller]

Watching Crennel's post game conf. He looks beaten and close to the breaking point. He is done, he just wants to leave

[MyManHali]

Geno smith at number one is an extreme reach considering he would year he would have been out of the top ten for sure. Tannehill was drafted by Miami because the OC was his coach in college so don't say they would have drafted Geno that's an opinion and can't be proven.



Who woul of helped us more today, a good qb or Te'o?

[MyManHali]

THIS THIS AND THIS



The personnel on this team, especially on offense is just beyond bad. We have no weapons anywhere besides JC and have an awful qb.

If we had Jesus coaching it wouldn't matter.

[matthewschiefs]

Who woul of helped us more today, a good qb or Te'o?

Both could have helped but they weren't there so it's just saying what if. The fact is we will never no.

[matthewschiefs]

The personnel on this team, especially on offense is just beyond bad. We have no weapons anywhere besides JC and have an awful qb.

If we had JC coaching it wouldn't matter.

We saw this offense look MUCH better with Cassel at QB in the past under haley. They didn't suddenly just start sucking the coaching changed and they have looked Horrid at some point you have to see this coaching staff hurting this team. Let me ask you who's a better WR Breaston or Newsome? Coaching has hurt this team in all phases at some point you have to be willing to look at more then the QB problem.

[MyManHali]

Both could have helped but they weren't there so it's just saying what if. The fact is we will never no.


Who would of helped more? A linebacker on a defense who gave up 12 points or a good qb with an offense that scored 0?

[nigeriannightmare]

Who woul of helped us more today, a good qb or Te'o?


Even Peyton manning gets more than 10 yards out of his running game. Give me one qb that has won when the running game produces only 10 yards. Give me one.

[matthewschiefs]

Who would of helped more? A linebacker on a defense who gave up 12 points or a good qb with an offense that scored 0?

How do we no a QB would have helped. Who would he have thrown to? The commentartor of the game pointed out a number of occasions the WRs were the reason a play didn't work. What did Brady tell them to mess up in the huddle. At some point you have to look at more then the QB problem and address the problem as a whole.

[MyManHali]

We saw this offense look MUCH better with Cassel at QB in the past under haley. They didn't suddenly just start sucking the coaching changed and they have looked Horrid at some point you have to see this coaching staff hurting this team. Let me ask you who's a better WR Breaston or Newsome? Coaching has hurt this team in all phases at some point you have to be willing to look at more then the QB problem.



I have looked at the problem, the WHOLE problem back in 2011 and it started with Scott Pioli on down.

We have no QB.

We have no WR.

We have no one to compliment our RB.

Coaching is bad but our personnel is even worse.

[Bike]

I have looked at the problem, the WHOLE problem back in 2011 and it started with Scott Pioli on down.

We have no QB.

We have no WR.

We have no one to compliment our RB.

Coaching is bad but our personnel is even worse.
Yes. We simply have a bad team. That starts with Pioli. 4 years and this is what we have.

[Three7s]

Even Peyton manning gets more than 10 yards out of his running game. Give me one qb that has won when the running game produces only 10 yards. Give me one.
Ever think that teams have to respect Mannings passing game to the point that it makes it easier to run? Teams think of a team QBed by Cassel and Quinn and act like they aren't even out there. It's a miracle the Chiefs run it as well as they do.

[matthewschiefs]

I have looked at the problem, the WHOLE problem back in 2011 and it started with Scott Pioli on down.

We have no QB.

We have no WR.

We have no one to compliment our RB.

Coaching is bad but our personnel is even worse.

Strange all you go on and on about is "if we had a QB" You don't really talk about the other problems you just go on and on about how geno will help us and how horrible our QBs are. Only when really pressed do you talk about other problems on this team

[MyManHali]

Strange all you go on and on about is "if we had a QB" You don't really talk about the other problems you just go on and on about how geno will help us and how horrible our QBs are. Only when really pressed do you talk about other problems on this team


I SAID START WITH A QB since that is our biggest need. God, I trashed the management, personnel and coaching way before you did. I know it's hard to believe, but a good qb actually would help this team.

I go back to my question, what would of helped us more today:

A linebacker on a defense who gave up 12 points or a good qb on an offense that scored 0.

Which one?

[matthewschiefs]

I SAID START WITH A QB since that is our biggest need. God, I trashed the management, personnel and coaching way before you did. I know it's hard to believe, but a good qb actually would help this team.

I go back to my question, what would of helped us more today:

A linebacker on a defense who gave up 12 points or a good qb on an offense that scored 0.

Which one?

I can't say either would have helped when your head coach sits the best WR you have that really makes it hard for any QB wouldn't you say. But would have most likely been hurt by this coaching staff if you want to call it that.

And besides the QB the only other you have ever dared to really go on and on about is Pioli. I haven't heard to much about Romeo

[nigeriannightmare]

Ever think that teams have to respect Mannings passing game to the point that it makes it easier to run? Teams think of a team QBed by Cassel and Quinn and act like they aren't even out there. It's a miracle the Chiefs run it as well as they do.

I was just saying that Peyton's team were known for poor rushing attacks.....but 10 yards! No one can have success.

[MyManHali]

I can't say either would have helped when your head coach sits the best WR you have that really makes it hard for any QB wouldn't you say. But would have most likely been hurt by this coaching staff if you want to call it that.

And besides the QB the only other you have ever dared to really go on and on about is Pioli. I haven't heard to much about Romeo



You know the answer to the question, it is the qb. When a defense only gives up 12 points you really should be able to win the game.

When you score 0 on offense, you won't win anything.

Romeo situation speaks for itself, he is an awful head coach. Pioli is the one who assembled the coaching staff and the roster. This is his creation.

[KCraised]

Brandon Carr the hero in Dallas. Congrats to him

[matthewschiefs]

You know the answer to the question, it is the qb. When a defense only gives up 12 points you really should be able to win the game.

When you score 0 on offense, you won't win anything.

Romeo situation speaks for itself, he is an awful head coach. Pioli is the one who assembled the coaching staff and the roster. This is his creation.

99% of the time you're right but 99% of any other Head coach wouldn't sit his best WR he had. Wouldn't you agree. And tell me who that "good QB" would have thrown to today? Can you name someone?

[nigeriannightmare]

Brandon Carr the hero in Dallas. Congrats to him

That's was a hell of a play too. Ben never saw it. He jumped that route.

[MyManHali]

I was just saying that Peyton's team were known for poor rushing attacks.....but 10 yards! No one can have success.



It's not rocket science, Raiders pack the box and dare the qb to throw when they know the offense has a weak passing attack.

When you can stretch the field and make big plays in the passing game the d must back off, opening up the running game.

The problem is we don't have a passing attack.

[MyManHali]

99% of the time you're right but 99% of any other Head coach wouldn't sit his best WR he had. Wouldn't you agree. And tell me who that "good QB" would have thrown to today? Can you name someone?



Yes I woul agree, although I/we have no idea why Breaston isn't playing. We need to go WR in the draft as I have said before.

But the big ugly 0 we put up today and the 12 points the defense gave up shows that we desperately need to go the offensive route, QB and WR.

[nigeriannightmare]

You know the answer to the question, it is the qb. When a defense only gives up 12 points you really should be able to win the game.

When you score 0 on offense, you won't win anything.

Romeo situation speaks for itself, he is an awful head coach. Pioli is the one who assembled the coaching staff and the roster. This is his creation.

This coming from the guy that wanted the 13.1 pts offense that Orton ran.

But top to bottom this coaching staff is the worst in the NFL. We have zero ability to make adjustments on offense. And if I were on this D it would be hard to give it everything you have. I go back to the interview with DJ after the home Denver game he sounded like a broken broken man. It was so disheartening to listen to. He didn't call anyone out but man he wanted to.

[Bike]

All I did was ask you a simple question Matt, obviously we need to go WR in the draft as I have said before.

But the big ugly 0 we put up today and the 12 points the defense gave up shows that we desperately need to go the offensive route, QB and WR.
No matter who we draft, they will not be successful with the support system currently in place.

[brdempsey69]

Dude Geno smith ain't gonna do ****e when a qb gets sacked four times knocked down 11 and hurried 9....and then rush for a whopping 10 yards No qb is gonna have success.

Well, no joke!! Like there's really any receivers that were playing today for the Chiefs that could even remotely threaten the Raiders defense. Without Bowe, they were screwed. That doesn't mean they shouldn't take Smith if he proves to be the best QB available after the college season and the combine are over with.


No Sht. we need a QB. But as it's been said a 1000 times before, you can't draft what's not there!!!!! WTF?

Where is the basis of your statement "you can't draft what's not there" coming from? It sure as hell isn't from here:

2013 NFL Mock Drafts - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock)

Nor here:

2013 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com (http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php)

Why are these sites mocking him to the Chiefs if it "isn't there"?


It's not rocket science, Raiders pack the box and dare the qb to throw when they know the offense has a weak passing attack.

When you can stretch the field and make big plays in the passing game the d must back off, opening up the running game.

The problem is we don't have a passing attack.

Precisely, and what is the solution to this problem? Well, of course, draft an ILB with their 1st pick.


No matter who we draft, they will not be successful with the support system currently in place.

If you are referring to the Chiefs front office and their HC, and Offensive coaching staff, you are 100% correct. They all must go after this season.

[MyManHali]

This coming from the guy that wanted the 13.1 pts offense that Orton ran.

But top to bottom this coaching staff is the worst in the NFL. We have zero ability to make adjustments on offense. And if I were on this D it would be hard to give it everything you have. I go back to the interview with DJ after the home Denver game he sounded like a broken broken man. It was so disheartening to listen to. He didn't call anyone out but man he wanted to.


Kyle Orton would of been much better for this team than anything we have now, our team played entirely different with him in command. We even had our own Tamba Hali complimenting Orton on how he could avoid 3 and outs and actually sustain drives to give the defense a break, and give them better field position.

We have the worst personnel on offense in the entire NFL.

4 years of fat scott.

[MyManHali]

No matter who we draft, they will not be successful with the support system currently in place.


I have wanted the "system" gone.

[matthewschiefs]

Yes I woul agree, although I/we have no idea why Breaston isn't playing. We need to go WR in the draft as I have said before.

But the big ugly 0 we put up today and the 12 points the defense gave up shows that we desperately need to go the offensive route, QB and WR.


So saying that can you see just how bad the coaching is hurting this team? We have seen a better offense from the players that we have now under a different head coach. Good enough no but it has been much better then it has been all year in the past. What happened we changed head coaches. That's the biggest problem with this team. When your head coach can't answer why your best Rb only got 5 carries with anything other then I don't know you have a MAJOR problem. There are not many QBs that can do well in that so who knows what any QB would have done today or at any other point this year.

I would agree we need to put the priority on offense but if it's not there don't force it is all I have said. All really I think what most who have mentioned Teo as a possible pick have said. But it gets made out to be we have to have Teo. I don't care if we draft Teo or not I don't care if we draft Geno or not. I want the best guy that can help this team win games. A great QB I agree would be the best pick if he's out there. All I am saying is if we are going to draft a QB we need to be sure it's the right QB drafting a bust will set us back longer then not drafting a QB. Just because you have to give that QB a couple of years to see what he can do.

[nigeriannightmare]

It's not rocket science, Raiders pack the box and dare the qb to throw when they know the offense has a weak passing attack.

When you can stretch the field and make big plays in the passing game the d must back off, opening up the running game.

The problem is we don't have a passing attack.


Okay then explain how the minnesota vikings who own the worst passing offense in the league, statistically, and adrian peterson still gets it done. Jamaal is an elite back if AP can do it I would think that Jamaal can do it also. The Vikings have virtually no passing game AP sees 9 men in the box an awful lot.

[ctchiefsfan]

Watching Crennel's post game conf. He looks beaten and close to the breaking point. He is done, he just wants to leave

In a way I am glad to hear that. It will make being fired less painful for him. Getting fired aint so bad when you want to leave anyway.