QBs in the Draft & the Teams Who Want Them

[texaschief]

This is not the 2012 draft which was chalk full of good QB prospects. No, this is 2013 with one of the weakest QB draft classes in recent memory. Wouldn't you know it... our beloved Chiefs will probably have the #1 pick. But of course they do. This is a franchise that rarely drafts QBs (ESPECIALLY in the first round) and when they do, the picks never turn out the way we hoped. So, naturally, when the Chiefs find themselves in the coveted #1 position to take a franchise QB, there isn't an overwhelmingly easy pick to make.

So, what are the options?

This list is my own opinion of who will be in the draft and who should be considered in the first 2 rounds. They are also ranked from greatest to least according to my own opinion and NOT necessarily the order in which they'll be drafted.

Tyler Wilson, 6'3 220lb. Arkansas

"Skill-Set Summary: Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision-making he displayed as a junior was very impressive.

Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He showed the ability last season to push the ball outside the numbers and move the ball down the field with precision passes. With his size, arm and intellect, the Arkansas signal-caller will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

While Wilson is a pocket passer, he is not a complete statue. He can move around to buy himself time and take advantage of openings with his legs. It is clear that Wilson is not a running quarterback who will rack up big rushing totals. However, he has enough athleticism to keep a defense honest and avoid some sacks with his legs."

-Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com


I think Tyler Wilson should be the QB the Chiefs target. He is the closest thing to a prototypical QB as there is in this draft. His senior season didn't live up to expectations, but with all the drama surrounding Petrino in the offseason, it's at least understandable. That being said, it wasn't like he was horrible either. His rating only dropped from 148 to 143 and threw 6 more picks (probably a result from trying to do too much to help his team during a transitional season). He has a career completion percentage better than 60% and is usually sitting in the 63-65% range.

Here is an article by bleacherreport.com suggesting Wilson could be the steal of the draft: Arkansas Football: Why Tyler Wilson Will Be the Steal of the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1439277-arkansas-football-why-tyler-wilson-will-be-the-steal-of-the-2013-nfl-draft)

NFLsfuture.com thinks his name will be called sometime around picks 10-15 and also have a good scouting report here: Tyler Wilson Scouting Report (http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/13/tyler-wilson-scouting-report/)

The report isn't necessarily what you'd want from your QBOTF, but remember, there isn't an Andrew Luck in this draft.


Mike Glennon, 6'7 235lb. North Carolina St.

His size says Joe Flacco. His strengths say Phillip Rivers with a better motion and stronger arm. His ceiling is probably Matt Shaub. Mel Kiper thinks he could be first off the board if his development progresses well between now and the draft. There's definitely something to take note of with this guy. Glennon has put up monster numbers in a mediocre program at NCSt. Personally, I don't think he's as sure of a bet as Wilson who was successful in the SEC, but I do think he's a better bet than Geno Smith.

Here's the best scouting report I found: Can Mike Glennon be a first rounder? | Inside The War Room | Mock Drafts & Scouting Reports (http://insidethewarroom.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/can-mike-glennon-be-a-first-rounder/)


Aaron Murray 6'1, 211lbs. Georgia (Junior)

No guarantee he's coming out, but if someone gets in his ear and tells him he could be the first QB off the board in a weak QB class, he could declare. I think Murray has just as good of a chance being the first QB taken as anyone else in the '13 draft. Draws comparisons to Drew Brees and with QB size becoming less and less of a factor. He's 6'1, which isn't Doug Flutie short, but it's not Joe Flacco either. Murray has been a starter since he was a redshirt freshman. There's not REAL flaw to his mechanics, foot work, or mobility. Makes good reads with a high completion percentage. He can obviously lead his team to winning seasons. Looks like a winner with no real reason to believe his game wouldn't translate to the next level.

Scouting report: Aaron Murray 2013 NFL Draft mini scouting report - National NFL Draft | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/aaron-murray-2013-nfl-draft-mini-scouting-report)


Geno Smith 6'3, 220lbs. West Virginia

Now, we get to Geno Smith. The consensus "top QB" in the draft if you just pay attention to mock drafts. If Smith had finished the season the way he started, I'd probably be all about drafting him. However, I have a tough time trusting any players from the Virginia area. They always seem to come out with immense talent, but don't have the maturity or the smarts to stay out of trouble. I worry about the attitude and culture from that talent base which seems to have be a "me first" kind of attitude. His performance in Austin left a bad taste in my mouth after he was talking trash with fans and UT recruits as the game was being played.

Looking at his season as a whole, it seems like he got a taste of success during the early part of the season and let it get to his head, which then affected the rest of his year. I've seen Smith and Wilson play about the same amount over the last couple years. I saw Wilson more last year and Smith a bit more this season. I think the total package that Wilson presents is much better overall than the athletic ability offered by a Geno Smith selection. I wonder if some of the scouting done on Smith isn't the mind playing tricks on people. There seems to be this thought pattern that Geno Smith is this year's RGIII... and he's not. Smith is not a Vick/RGIII type QB. He's mobile, but not a home run hitter. Think of him as a Steve Young type when it comes to mobility.

Overall, I think Geno Smith is NOT a player worth the #1 overall selection. I worry about his game translating because even though some reports say he can make all the throws, I haven't seen what I'd want out of my franchise QB when it comes to the intermediate routes. Smith in the first round would be a bigger gamble, in my opinion, than Dontari Poe was at #13. I honestly think someone is going to get burned with this guy because of the RGIII comparisons and people expecting Smith to be a different player than what he actually is.

Scouting Report: Geno Smith Scouting Report (http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/14/geno-smith-scouting-report/)


Matt Barkley 6'2, 220, USC

What ever happened to Matt Barkley? The next great hype out of USC.

"Skill-Set Summary: Barkley is an extremely well-developed passer with good anticipation and field vision. He is a smart quarterback who is adept at reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball. Barkley has been prepared well for the NFL as he has operates a pro-style West Coast offense under Lane Kiffin.

Barkley is not a complete statue in the pocket, but he is not a running quarterback who brings a running threat to the table. Barkley has a quality arm, but it doesn't look like as if he has an elite cannon for an arm.

Barkley has excellent intangibles. He is a team leader and a studious, hard worker. Outside of football Barkley does a lot of charity work. He hasn't had any public trouble and looks like an ideal face of the franchise for an NFL team."

-Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com

Matt Barkley, in my mind, is the enigma of the 2013 draft. What is he? Is he an elite, franchise-shouldering QB, or is he a flame out like multiple other USC QBs around the league? Barkley is the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. I'd like to believe he could be the steal of the draft if he's taken in the 2nd round. If Barkley had lived up to his potential in 2012, he'd be the easy #1 pick in the draft. But, he didn't live up to expectations and on top of that, he was injured and missed the last few games of the season. So now, evaluators have to make a decision on whether to draft Barkley based on potential or results. Unlike some of the other QBs in this draft, Barkley has had pro-quality players around him and hasn't been able to do much with it.

Scouting Report: WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Matt Barkley (http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013mbarkley.php)


Ryan Nassib 6'2 220lbs. Syracuse

Ryan Nassib could be this draft's Aaron Rogers/Matt Flynn. He'll probably be a 2nd round pick that a team could draft and develop... into an elite QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go late in the first or late in the 2nd where he could step into a solid backup role behind a well-established starter like Matt Shaub or Matt Ryan. There's very little to like about this QB other than his height... which really isn't that bad. Anything negative you can say about this QB is just nit-picking. If the Chiefs are serious about addressing the QB position, would it be absolutely horrible to see them take 2 QBs in the first 2 rounds? In my mind, it would at least let us know that they are serious about correcting the problem. You could do worse than Matt Cassel showing these kids how to be a professional QB. I think Cassel is going to be a great QB coach/OC someday... if not head coach.

Scouting Report: TheFootballExpert.com » Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (http://thefootballexpert.com/nfl-draft-scouting-reports/ryan-nassib-qb-syracuse/)


Tyler Bray is another name that could pop up as the offseason grinds on, but I think he's more of a draft and develop type player. Some people are thinking that with his size, he could be the next Peyton Manning but I just don't see it right now. Manning would've been the #1 overall pick if he had come out a year earlier... Bray isn't in the conversation right now.

E.J. Manuel is another name you will hear but even with all of his great physical attributes, he makes worse decisions than JaMarcus Russell. I don't think he's ready to contribute right away and that's what the Chiefs are looking for. E.J. Manuel is another draft and develop type player. He's at least 3-5 years away.



We have 5 MAYBE 6 guys who are going to be the topic of conversation when we discuss the QBs in this draft. Now, as we sit here on the 23rd of December, where are these 6 guys projected to be taken in the draft? My 5 favorite mock drafts are, Walterfootball.com, CBS.com, Drafttek.com, Draftcountdown.com, and footballsfuture.com. Below, I've ranked the QBs in order according to their current mock selected average among these 5 mock drafts.

1. Geno Smith- 3
2. Tyler Wilson- 18
3. Matt Barkley- 19
4. Mike Glennon- 41
5. Ryan Nassib- 44
6. Aaron Murray- NR (hasn't declared)

I think you will see the draft positions all get smaller as we approach the draft, but I expect the QBs to be taken off the board in that order with Mike Glennon perhaps jumping Barkley and Murray jumping Nassib if he chooses to declare. I anticipate a QB to be taken in the top 3. Odds are that it'll be Smith. This may give the Chiefs an opportunity to trade down and accumulate more picks if someone really wants to jump up and snag Smith ahead of Jacksonville or perhaps trade up for Te'o, Jarvis Jones, or someone else. The cost of acquiring the #1 pick overall is steep and will only net the Chiefs a swap of firsts, a 2nd and probably another later pick if not more, so it's gonna be a pretty BIG deal if the Chiefs are able to move out of that #1 pick.

Which teams in the draft need a QB upgrade?

1. Kansas City
2. Jacksonville
7. Arizona
10. Buffalo
12. Cleveland
15. New York Jets

Amazing, right? All 6 teams in the bottom half of the league... shocking.

If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson but not at #1 overall, they probably can't trade down any further than #6 with Tennessee because Arizona needs a QB desperately, as does Jacksonville. The question is going to be who do the Chiefs value more going forward as their franchise QB and where do they think they can get him? Could the Chiefs draft the best player available at #1 overall and land their guy with #33? Or, are the Chiefs going to have to take their QB #1 overall? Perhaps they get a chance to trade down and take their QB later in the top 10. There are a few different scenarios that could play out, but these are the guys they have to evaluate and decide on. The free agent market doesn't have an answer and there aren't too many backup QBs worth trading for. But, the teams listed above are the ones the Chiefs are going to have to deal with if they're going to land a new face of the franchise.

Hopefully, the Chiefs can find a way to maximize their value while landing the guy they want instead of what has happened the last few drafts where Pioli absolutely didn't care about value as long as he filled a hole in his mind.

[swochief]

:chiefs: I like the way you broke this down. Nice work no matter who you favor.


I have liked T. Wilson since early last year. Thought he did about as good as it can get w/ the turmoil , injuries and the receivers he had this year. He's not afraid to stand in the pocket and take a hit to get the ball to a late opening open receiver for a big play. Saw him do that at least 3 times this year. A big plus to me is he gets on his team when they need it and they still play hard for him.


Gotta disagree w/ you a bit on Smith. I keep hearing that he works hard and loves to study film. So does Cassel if you believe the reports out of Arrowhead but i'd take Smith over him easily. That said i am not a fan of his. He does make some nice throws but not sold at all on him on the deep ball or when you get pressure on him. He benefitted from fast receivers w/ great hands just out running dbs. Got the arm strength to get it there but any qb w/ a big arm and any kinda touch could've done just as well in that system w/ them in my opinion. I do like that he can scramble around (not the same as a running qb tho he does have some ability) but we have a dump off type in Cassel. Madden type game against Baylor happened because they are both the same team--good O , not much D. He is just not that effective when pressure is in his face. That said though , he is definately in the boom / bust category to me and i dont want to see them take that chance at #1.


Barkley is a west coast offense only type in my eyes. He doesnt have a big arm at all. And yes he is another USC boom/bust type to me.



Murray outta Georgia i really like as well. He does need to work on some arm strength. Its okay but could be better. If he had that and comes out he'd be 1 or 1A for me. Smart and effective. Not saying he's another Brees but i do see alot of that in him.



I know basically nothing about this Nassib kid 'cept he plays for Syracuse.



Hell no to Manuel. Just more physical looking version of what the Chiefs have right now. I've seen him throw roughly 20-25 passes and . . . . just no. No.



Have you looked any others out there ? Keep hearing about the qb from Arkansas St. Supposed to be looking pretty good i hear. Any MAC qb's worth a look ? Been a few in the recent past that have done fairly well. I dont have the time to do research myself , just check some game(not player as they are skewed in their favor) highlites.

[whackojacko58]

Only argument is you said you don't trust players from Virginia does that include Virginia tech where brandon flowers played?... I like this article but i really wish we could just put up a giant wheel on the site with all the names of rookie qbs plus taoe and just let people spin it for fun cause thats all were doing right now

[texaschief]

Only argument is you said you don't trust players from Virginia does that include Virginia tech where brandon flowers played?... I like this article but i really wish we could just put up a giant wheel on the site with all the names of rookie qbs plus taoe and just let people spin it for fun cause thats all were doing right now

Flowers wasn't the #1 overall pick. Virginia is also where Mike Vick and Pacman Jones came from... just to name a couple.

[whackojacko58]

Ahh I don't call Vick a flop PAC man yes

[texaschief]

Ahh I don't call Vick a flop PAC man yes

I didn't call either of them a flop. What I said was: "However, I have a tough time trusting any players from the Virginia area. They always seem to come out with immense talent, but don't have the maturity or the smarts to stay out of trouble. I worry about the attitude and culture from that talent base which seems to be a "me first" kind of attitude. His performance in Austin left a bad taste in my mouth after he was talking trash with fans and UT recruits as the game was being played."

[nigeriannightmare]

Texas that's an awesome analysis. If the GM were done by popular vote you would have mine.

Geno seems mentally weak and, IMO, has to be in the right situation. In no way is he ready to lead a franchise.

[nigeriannightmare]

And I have read, from someone here and online that pioli really likes the nc state kid.

[MyManHali]

And I have read, from someone here and online that pioli really likes the nc state kid.


Pioli won't be here, thank god.

[DMN]

Is this the type of person you want leading this team?

Geno Smith against texas longhorns 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciYhpgO3oUk)

[Three7s]

Is this the type of person you want leading this team?

Geno Smith against texas longhorns 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciYhpgO3oUk)
http://texas.247sports.com/Board/21/Geno-Smith-VS-the-fan-How-it-happened-12927671/1#a12938966

Take it for what it's worth.

[texaschief]

Not what I want from my franchise QB. You think the fans in Austin are bad? What about Philly, New York, OAKLAND? Professionals don't respond. Think the fans are bad? Wait till you're lining up across from players who like to talk trash. Can't get away from it out there. Pros do everything they can to get you out of your game. As a professional (ESPECIALLY a QB), you just CANNOT respond.

[nigeriannightmare]

http://texas.247sports.com/Board/21/Geno-Smith-VS-the-fan-How-it-happened-12927671/1#a12938966

Take it for what it's worth.

Ill bet you a million dollars Tom Brady, drew Brees, Peyton manning,Eli manning, Aaron Rodgers, big ben(who of a questionable character), rg 3, luck never threw up blood signs. I lived on 54 and Forrest in kc for four years, when you do that you are being a punk thug period. You talk about having an elite qb like the contending teams. Those elite qbs are of high character also.

[Three7s]

Not what I want from my franchise QB. You think the fans in Austin are bad? What about Philly, New York, OAKLAND? Professionals don't respond. Think the fans are bad? Wait till you're lining up across from players who like to talk trash. Can't get away from it out there. Pros do everything they can to get you out of your game. As a professional (ESPECIALLY a QB), you just CANNOT respond.
I'm not saying what he did was right. Whether the Chiefs take him or not, let's give him a chance to grow up. I'm sure we've all done things that we regret, and I'm sure Geno regrets this.

[texaschief]

I doubt very seriously he thinks it was a mistake. This is the mentality from the athletes in that region. It's all about him and that's all he cares about. Otherwise, his season would've gone a lot differently. He's the only QB prospect coming into the draft that has character concerns. If there's ANY concerns about character from your QB, IT'S THE WRONG DECISION. Contrast him to RGIII last season and you see two ENTIRELY different players with entirely different personalities and leadership traits.

Que Obi Wan Kenobi: "This is not the QB you are looking for."

[DMN]

Geno Smith unfortunately does not have the luxury of being drafted to sit and learn behind a professional QB for a few years and mature. He has to come out day 1 and be the leader of this team. I am not saying I would have done any better with the situation... but I also am not being touted as the potential first overall pick in the NFL draft.

With the spotlight comes great responsibility. This sort of character will spill over into all facets from locker room presence to leadership.

This is thug behavior. A QB has to have the voice of reason and motivation. I am not saying he won't eventually grow out of it but this is a punk kid who is acting with himself in mind and not the team or organization.

[MyManHali]

If geno really does have a character issue then I do not want him, I still want to take a qb with the first pick, but we want a qb with a good head on his shoulders with exceptional talent.

[Bike]

If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson - then just take him with the number one pick.

[jap1]

I would also add a couple more teams into the running for a QB.

Oakland - Palmer has not been their savior. Maybe they look for a QB in the 2nd to develop.
Philadelphia - they will likely part ways with Reid, maybe the new regime doesn't like Foles?

Also, I think Clveland is still in the same position as say Philly where they may stick with Weeden depending on what happens in the offseason with them.

[whackojacko58]

Ill bet you a million dollars Tom Brady, drew Brees, Peyton manning,Eli manning, Aaron Rodgers, big ben(who of a questionable character), rg 3, luck never threw up blood signs. I lived on 54 and Forrest in kc for four years, when you do that you are being a punk thug period. You talk about having an elite qb like the contending teams. Those elite qbs are of high character also.

No big ben just rapes girls

[texaschief]

If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson - then just take him with the number one pick.

This isn't maximizing value and why the Chiefs are getting destroyed. Taking Wilson #1 overall isn't as good as taking Wilson #6 while gaining a couple more draft picks. I'm not saying it'll be a simple snap of the fingers to trade down, but those options need to be explored.

It's way too early to zero in on one particular player. Perhaps after the bowl games, senior bowl, combine, etc. one of the QBs begins to separate himself from the rest of the pack.

All I was trying to do with my article is shine a bit more light on the QB issue than just pretending like Smith and Barkley were the only options. All these mock draft authors are copycats and you don't get a good sense of what these players actually are because everyone just copies what they saw on someone else's mock.

Mocks are fun to look at, but when they all say Geno Smith #1 when there's such obvious flaws about his game, it starts to get ridiculous. Once people really start their evaluations and get clues from front offices around the league, you're going to see the interweb mocks change drastically because none of these guys actually sit down and look at the players themselves.

Smith acts like he's Cam Newton and hasn't even accomplished anything other than beating a mediocre Texas team. Nobody thought Newton had character issues coming out of college either. Now, we know he's rubbing other players around the league raw with his diva attitude. But, if you think about it, it kinda makes sense... the guy DID have to go to JUCO before heading to Auburn. He doesn't have the right mind-set currently. I see a lot of that in Geno but with more "thug" thrown in.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the "just draft him" mentality." This isn't a knock on you, Bike and I don't mean to single you out. There are so many people who think like you (along with our current GM) that, if the player who's at the top of our draft board is there when our number is called, then we should just take him. I completely disagree. You have to have some kind of sense as to that kid's market value.

Let's say you go to the store with the intent to purchase a brand new TV, surround sound, and BluRay player. You have $3000 to spend. Are you going to spend all $3k on that TV? Of course not. You try to get the best deal possible to maximize the value of your budget and get everything you need to accomplish your goal. So, while there's definitely nice TVs to be had for $3k, you're not going to get the surround sound you want or the bluray player either. It's all about opportunity cost.

Opportunity cost is a basic economic principal that needs to be applied when we're talking about the draft. If you spend ALL your money on a TV, you can't use that same money to purchase the surround sound and the bluray player. The issue lies, however in market value. The market value for electronics is what we as consumers are willing to spend in cash for any particular piece of equipment based on supply and demand. What is the market value in the draft? The market value for any one particular player is where any given team is willing to pick said player.

If the draft were held today, Wilson would probably be pegged as a mid-late first round pick. According to the pundits, Wilson doesn't present anymore MARKET value than a late first. Obviously, if the Chiefs have Wilson as their target, they value Wilson more than the market does. However, the Chiefs are now in a position of strength where they can do a couple different things. They can draft Wilson and throw away all the remaining value between picks 1 and say, #20. They could continually sell their first round pick for whatever the market would bare (additional picks) for that pick until they felt they were right around the point where they were getting fair value for their selection (Wilson). They could also select a player other than Wilson at #1 overall and trade back into the first round with their 2nd round pick. They have a few different options.

The main point here is that it is vitally important to the sustainability of their future success that this franchise needs to start to find a way to maximize the value of their picks. Jackson at #3 overall and Poe at #11 were pretty big reaches that did NOT maximize the value of the picks the Chiefs had. If the Chiefs could've traded down to #15 or so for Jackson, that would've been maximizing their value. If they could've traded back another 7-10 spots for Poe, THAT would've maximized their value. It may not seem like a very big deal as long as you're getting the guy you want, but the gaps between where those guy were picked and where they SHOULD have been picked were worth somewhere in the range of an additional 3-4 extra second round picks... that's a pretty big deal considering the talent still on the board in the 2nd round. Imagine where this team would be if we had 3 or 4 more Brandon Flowers or Jamaal Charles'.

Geez, I talk too much. :lol:

[texaschief]

I would also add a couple more teams into the running for a QB.

Oakland - Palmer has not been their savior. Maybe they look for a QB in the 2nd to develop.
Philadelphia - they will likely part ways with Reid, maybe the new regime doesn't like Foles?

Also, I think Clveland is still in the same position as say Philly where they may stick with Weeden depending on what happens in the offseason with them.

If they don't like Foles, I'd be the first in line to take him. I've watched that kid since he played in Austin. That kid is legit.

[70 chiefsfan70]

Thanks TX CHIEF for your time and effort on this great analasys.

I am not sold on any single qb prospect, or even for the first pick. I do believe it would be our best interest to trade, however its not going to be a big trade. There is just not enough value and need guys out there.

I think you are being a bit hard on Geno Smith. Sure he did a dumb thing, but if this was his norm there would be much more footage like this out there. The media loves this stuff and would be all over it.

Lots can change between now and draft day and there could be one or more of these guys step, or choke. But as it stands right now Geno, like him or not, appears to rise above the rest.

Now a question for you: If no one wants to trade, do we go qb, or should we go for Star or some one else. Qb is still the biggest need by far. Most here and everywhere would say Geno, or any QB is a reach at first.

On TJ at three and DPoe at eleven, we tried to trade on both, and no team showed any interest. Hindsite is 20 20. But what should we have done, Last year most here, (not me) thought NT was our biggest need.

Again great job!

[texaschief]

I would draft Te'o. The Chiefs already have 3 young, high, first round picks on the D-line. McShay is the only person I see who even mentions Star as an option for the Chiefs at #1. That idea is so horrible, for so many reasons. With Smith, Powe, Pitoitua, and Bailey backing up the starters, I'm not sure how anyone could think we need ANOTHER top 5 pick on that D-line.

The Chiefs need to put someone next to DJ. Te'o would be my pick. There's a good chance that the 3rd or 4th best QB prospect in this draft will be there at #33. Hell, the 2nd best could be there as well. There's a case to be made for each of the top 6 QBs in this draft class. Drafting a QB is a crap-shoot anyway. As long as they could land one of those guys, I think I'd be ok with the draft.

I'd prefer Wilson, Glennon, Barkley, or Nassib. I just have the same feeling about Smith as I had about Pioli. There's not a ton to dislike about Smith. There wasn't too much to dislike about Pioli either. I just think Smith is not going to be the QB this franchise needs.

[70 chiefsfan70]

I would draft Te'o. The Chiefs already have 3 young, high, first round picks on the D-line. McShay is the only person I see who even mentions Star as an option for the Chiefs at #1. That idea is so horrible, for so many reasons. With Smith, Powe, Pitoitua, and Bailey backing up the starters, I'm not sure how anyone could think we need ANOTHER top 5 pick on that D-line.

The Chiefs need to put someone next to DJ. Te'o would be my pick. There's a good chance that the 3rd or 4th best QB prospect in this draft will be there at #33. Hell, the 2nd best could be there as well. There's a case to be made for each of the top 6 QBs in this draft class. Drafting a QB is a crap-shoot anyway. As long as they could land one of those guys, I think I'd be ok with the draft.

I'd prefer Wilson, Glennon, Barkley, or Nassib. I just have the same feeling about Smith as I had about Pioli. There's not a ton to dislike about Smith. There wasn't too much to dislike about Pioli either. I just think Smith is not going to be the QB this franchise needs.


I agree with you on Star, but keep in mind Dorsey will be a free agent if we don't throw a lot of money at him. I've even read somewhere he is not likely to want to stay. Even without him we still dl is still not a huge need.

I like Teo as well and it would fill a big need, but we need at least 2 qb's. If we can't sign any in the fa market we will need to draft two in me opinion. I personally would love to see us draft two qb in the first three rounds. The chances of us getting a true starter would be much better. I think corner is the second biggest need, if we get Albert signed. We need several big FA signings to be able to compete next year.

[DMN]

It is tough to truly gauge our needs until FA. Dorsey is as good as gone in my opinion. He will want to move to a 4-3 anyway. We need to resign Albert and make it first priority. And I think it is paramount to get Bowe resigned. I know he is not Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald but whomever we bring in at QB, especially if its a rookie, they need a quality WR. And unfortunately as far as I am concerned he is truly the only one on the roster.

If he walks then we have to chase a free agent. I would rather have him.

[N TX Dave]

We can not really say what our needs on DL/LB are either because we do not know if the new coach will stay in a 3-4 or go to a 4-3, if we switch we do not really need a LB but will need DL.

[texaschief]

Bailey, Powe, Smith and Pitoitua seem to provide plenty of depth even if Dorsey leaves. If we weren't willing to spend good money to keep Carr, any top flight FA CBs out there are going to be too high for us to bring in anyway. I expect the defensive secondary to be a position of need going into the draft.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Geno seems mentally weak and
Where do you see that?!

[nigeriannightmare]

Where do you see that?!

Gets heckled and responds to being heckled equals mentally weak. Going from Heisman front runner to not even Heisman finalist equals mentally weak. Have you not read this article???? gives in depth analysis on the qbs and Geno smiths me first attitude which in no way shape or form will translate to leading an nfl franchise day one.

[DMN]

Bailey, Powe, Smith and Pitoitua seem to provide plenty of depth even if Dorsey leaves. If we weren't willing to spend good money to keep Carr, any top flight FA CBs out there are going to be too high for us to bring in anyway. I expect the defensive secondary to be a position of need going into the draft.

Completely agreed. With Berry returning to form as of late I am confident he and flowers with bolster the secondary for the next few years.

But texas what do you think of depth? I have to say it... In what little I saw I like Tysyn Hartman... And Arenas has played decent in converting to the outside... But isn't the answer. The wild card here is how well Menzie converts to safety. I think he can do it (mainly cause i am a homer). certainly has the size. Berry, Lewis, Menzie, Elam, and Hartman?

So S I don't find near as pressing as CB. I think we need a true #2 brought in and move arenas back to the nickel packages.

And this is why I feel like even if we can't sign Bowe longterm we tag him (if we can 2 years in a row... new CBA?) to get us to the next draft.

[Three7s]

Where do you see that?!
Don't bother with them. We can go and sign Alex Smith or Matt Flynn and suck for another 2 years before drafting Manziel.

[nigeriannightmare]

Don't bother with them. We can go and sign Alex Smith or Matt Flynn and suck for another 2 years before drafting Manziel.


Those of us that are anti Smith have shown his thug attitude with video evidence. You offer an opinion of how he was heckled and responded by throwing up a blood sign. That is pure thug, I know the blood sign and when it's thrown it means bad things for those who take offense. I have been to enough MU/KU games and have seen some pretty high profile collegiate athletes take it on the chin. You want to be the number one overall pick and you are throwing up a gang sign because a drunk stranger is heckling you come on. You are the leader of your team act like it. The fact that you continue to defend him is mind blowing. If he can't handle the pressure of a college fan heckling then I truly find it hard to believe he will find success in the NFL. THERE ARE OTHER QBS than a gang sign flashing thug.

[chiefnut]

I really don't want smith unless he is in the second round

[Three7s]

Those of us that are anti Smith have shown his thug attitude with video evidence. You offer an opinion of how he was heckled and responded by throwing up a blood sign. That is pure thug, I know the blood sign and when it's thrown it means bad things for those who take offense. I have been to enough MU/KU games and have seen some pretty high profile collegiate athletes take it on the chin. You want to be the number one overall pick and you are throwing up a gang sign because a drunk stranger is heckling you come on. You are the leader of your team act like it. The fact that you continue to defend him is mind blowing. If he can't handle the pressure of a college fan heckling then I truly find it hard to believe he will find success in the NFL. THERE ARE OTHER QBS than a gang sign flashing thug.
Yeah, I'm, clearly, the only one defending him.

[texaschief]

Y'all, even if we draft Smith, he should at LEAST be an average QB in this league. An average QB on this team gets us to the playoffs. A good QB has us contending and a great QB has us perennially in the conversation.

I don't think it matter who we draft at QB... they should provide an upgrade no matter what.

[KCCF]

Those of us that are anti Smith have shown his thug attitude with video evidence. You offer an opinion of how he was heckled and responded by throwing up a blood sign. That is pure thug, I know the blood sign and when it's thrown it means bad things for those who take offense. I have been to enough MU/KU games and have seen some pretty high profile collegiate athletes take it on the chin. You want to be the number one overall pick and you are throwing up a gang sign because a drunk stranger is heckling you come on. You are the leader of your team act like it. The fact that you continue to defend him is mind blowing. If he can't handle the pressure of a college fan heckling then I truly find it hard to believe he will find success in the NFL. THERE ARE OTHER QBS than a gang sign flashing thug.

You don't believe he will succeed because of one video? How ignorant can you be lol

[whackojacko58]

Maybe we should wait till idk pro work outs... Free agency.... The combine.. I believe big ben raped a girl but has won two rings i dont hear steelers fans calling him out.. Not saying thats the same as smith at all. Im from neosho missouri i do not know any gang signs lol

[Lord-Chiefy]

Thug signs or not. We don't need or shouldn't want a pos wanna be qb like others before his kind!!! ie Cordell Stewart janarcus russell Vick. Teebo ..etc...

[nigeriannightmare]

Yeah, I'm, clearly, the only one defending him.

Show me where I said you are the only one defending him. You did defend him with some lame article talking about how he responded to someone in the stands. We are responsible for our actions why does our society always find an excuse for inappropriate behavior. That's what your article does is make an excuse for him.

A blood sign is an extremely derogative gesture to those in the know. By flashing that sign he showed his cowardice in saying I have a gang to back me up. That's what throwing a gang sign means...period.

[nigeriannightmare]

Maybe we should wait till idk pro work outs... Free agency.... The combine.. I believe big ben raped a girl but has won two rings i dont hear steelers fans calling him out.. Not saying thats the same as smith at all. Im from neosho missouri i do not know any gang signs lol

Up until he was suspended the fans of Pittsburgh were not fond of him. He had been kicked out of quite a few establishments he was very much disliked by the community in general. There was a lengthy article in Sports illustrated talkin about how his success had gone to his head. I do not know but I think he has done a lot to improve his image since that and he was the number 11 pick not the number one overall.

[dbolan]

This is not the 2012 draft which was chalk full of good QB prospects. No, this is 2013 with one of the weakest QB draft classes in recent memory. Wouldn't you know it... our beloved Chiefs will probably have the #1 pick. But of course they do. This is a franchise that rarely drafts QBs (ESPECIALLY in the first round) and when they do, the picks never turn out the way we hoped. So, naturally, when the Chiefs find themselves in the coveted #1 position to take a franchise QB, there isn't an overwhelmingly easy pick to make.

So, what are the options?

This list is my own opinion of who will be in the draft and who should be considered in the first 2 rounds. They are also ranked from greatest to least according to my own opinion and NOT necessarily the order in which they'll be drafted.

1. Tyler Wilson, 6'3 220lb. Arkansas

"Skill-Set Summary: Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision-making he displayed as a junior was very impressive.

Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He showed the ability last season to push the ball outside the numbers and move the ball down the field with precision passes. With his size, arm and intellect, the Arkansas signal-caller will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

While Wilson is a pocket passer, he is not a complete statue. He can move around to buy himself time and take advantage of openings with his legs. It is clear that Wilson is not a running quarterback who will rack up big rushing totals. However, he has enough athleticism to keep a defense honest and avoid some sacks with his legs."

-Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com


I think Tyler Wilson should be the QB the Chiefs target. He is the closest thing to a prototypical QB as there is in this draft. His senior season didn't live up to expectations, but with all the drama surrounding Petrino in the offseason, it's at least understandable. That being said, it wasn't like he was horrible either. His rating only dropped from 148 to 143 and threw 6 more picks (probably a result from trying to do too much to help his team during a transitional season). He has a career completion percentage better than 60% and is usually sitting in the 63-65% range.

Here is an article by bleacherreport.com suggesting Wilson could be the steal of the draft: Arkansas Football: Why Tyler Wilson Will Be the Steal of the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1439277-arkansas-football-why-tyler-wilson-will-be-the-steal-of-the-2013-nfl-draft)

NFLsfuture.com thinks his name will be called sometime around picks 10-15 and also have a good scouting report here: Tyler Wilson Scouting Report (http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/13/tyler-wilson-scouting-report/)

The report isn't necessarily what you'd want from your QBOTF, but remember, there isn't an Andrew Luck in this draft.


Mike Glennon, 6'7 235lb. North Carolina St.

His size says Joe Flacco. His strengths say Phillip Rivers with a better motion and stronger arm. His ceiling is probably Matt Shaub. Mel Kiper thinks he could be first off the board if his development progresses well between now and the draft. There's definitely something to take note of with this guy. Glennon has put up monster numbers in a mediocre program at NCSt. Personally, I don't think he's as sure of a bet as Wilson who was successful in the SEC, but I do think he's a better bet than Geno Smith.

Here's the best scouting report I found: Can Mike Glennon be a first rounder? | Inside The War Room | Mock Drafts & Scouting Reports (http://insidethewarroom.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/can-mike-glennon-be-a-first-rounder/)


Aaron Murray 6'1, 211lbs. Georgia (Junior)

No guarantee he's coming out, but if someone gets in his ear and tells him he could be the first QB off the board in a weak QB class, he could declare. I think Murray has just as good of a chance being the first QB taken as anyone else in the '13 draft. Draws comparisons to Drew Brees and with QB size becoming less and less of a factor. He's 6'1, which isn't Doug Flutie short, but it's not Joe Flacco either. Murray has been a starter since he was a redshirt freshman. There's not REAL flaw to his mechanics, foot work, or mobility. Makes good reads with a high completion percentage. He can obviously lead his team to winning seasons. Looks like a winner with no real reason to believe his game wouldn't translate to the next level.

Scouting report: Aaron Murray 2013 NFL Draft mini scouting report - National NFL Draft | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/aaron-murray-2013-nfl-draft-mini-scouting-report)


Geno Smith 6'3, 220lbs. West Virginia

Now, we get to Geno Smith. The consensus "top QB" in the draft if you just pay attention to mock drafts. If Smith had finished the season the way he started, I'd probably be all about drafting him. However, I have a tough time trusting any players from the Virginia area. They always seem to come out with immense talent, but don't have the maturity or the smarts to stay out of trouble. I worry about the attitude and culture from that talent base which seems to have be a "me first" kind of attitude. His performance in Austin left a bad taste in my mouth after he was talking trash with fans and UT recruits as the game was being played.

Looking at his season as a whole, it seems like he got a taste of success during the early part of the season and let it get to his head, which then affected the rest of his year. I've seen Smith and Wilson play about the same amount over the last couple years. I saw Wilson more last year and Smith a bit more this season. I think the total package that Wilson presents is much better overall than the athletic ability offered by a Geno Smith selection. I wonder if some of the scouting done on Smith isn't the mind playing tricks on people. There seems to be this thought pattern that Geno Smith is this year's RGIII... and he's not. Smith is not a Vick/RGIII type QB. He's mobile, but not a home run hitter. Think of him as a Steve Young type when it comes to mobility.

Overall, I think Geno Smith is NOT a player worth the #1 overall selection. I worry about his game translating because even though some reports say he can make all the throws, I haven't seen what I'd want out of my franchise QB when it comes to the intermediate routes. Smith in the first round would be a bigger gamble, in my opinion, than Dontari Poe was at #13. I honestly think someone is going to get burned with this guy because of the RGIII comparisons and people expecting Smith to be a different player than what he actually is.

Scouting Report: Geno Smith Scouting Report (http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/14/geno-smith-scouting-report/)


Matt Barkley 6'2, 220

What ever happened to Matt Barkley? The next great hype out of USC.

"Skill-Set Summary: Barkley is an extremely well-developed passer with good anticipation and field vision. He is a smart quarterback who is adept at reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball. Barkley has been prepared well for the NFL as he has operates a pro-style West Coast offense under Lane Kiffin.

Barkley is not a complete statue in the pocket, but he is not a running quarterback who brings a running threat to the table. Barkley has a quality arm, but it doesn't look like as if he has an elite cannon for an arm.

Barkley has excellent intangibles. He is a team leader and a studious, hard worker. Outside of football Barkley does a lot of charity work. He hasn't had any public trouble and looks like an ideal face of the franchise for an NFL team."

-Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com

Matt Barkley, in my mind, is the enigma of the 2013 draft. What is he? Is he an elite, franchise-shouldering QB, or is he a flame out like multiple other USC QBs around the league? Barkley is the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. I'd like to believe he could be the steal of the draft if he's taken in the 2nd round. If Barkley had lived up to his potential in 2012, he'd be the easy #1 pick in the draft. But, he didn't live up to expectations and on top of that, he was injured and missed the last few games of the season. So now, evaluators have to make a decision on whether to draft Barkley based on potential or results. Unlike some of the other QBs in this draft, Barkley has had pro-quality players around him and hasn't been able to do much with it.

Scouting Report: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013mbarkley.php


Ryan Nassib 6'2 220lbs. Syracuse

Ryan Nassib could be this draft's Aaron Rogers/Matt Flynn. He'll probably be a 2nd round pick that a team could draft and develop... into an elite QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go late in the first or late in the 2nd where he could step into a solid backup role behind a well-established starter like Matt Shaub or Matt Ryan. There's very little to like about this QB other than his height... which really isn't that bad. Anything negative you can say about this QB is just nit-picking. If the Chiefs are serious about addressing the QB position, would it be absolutely horrible to see them take 2 QBs in the first 2 rounds? In my mind, it would at least let us know that they are serious about correcting the problem. You could do worse than Matt Cassel showing these kids how to be a professional QB. I think Cassel is going to be a great QB coach/OC someday... if not head coach.

Scouting Report: TheFootballExpert.com » Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (http://thefootballexpert.com/nfl-draft-scouting-reports/ryan-nassib-qb-syracuse/)


Tyler Bray is another name that could pop up as the offseason grinds on, but I think he's more of a draft and develop type player. Some people are thinking that with his size, he could be the next Peyton Manning but I just don't see it right now. Manning would've been the #1 overall pick if he had come out a year earlier... Bray isn't in the conversation right now.

E.J. Manuel is another name you will hear but even with all of his great physical attributes, he makes worse decisions than JaMarcus Russell. I don't think he's ready to contribute right away and that's what the Chiefs are looking for. E.J. Manuel is another draft and develop type player. He's at least 3-5 years away.



We have 5 MAYBE 6 guys who are going to be the topic of conversation when we discuss the QBs in this draft. Now, as we sit here on the 23rd of December, where are these 6 guys projected to be taken in the draft? My 5 favorite mock drafts are, Walterfootball.com, CBS.com, Drafttek.com, Draftcountdown.com, and footballsfuture.com. Below, I've ranked the QBs in order according to their current mock selected average among these 5 mock drafts.

1. Geno Smith- 3
2. Tyler Wilson- 18
3. Matt Barkley- 19
4. Mike Glennon- 41
5. Ryan Nassib- 44
6. Aaron Murray- NR (hasn't declared)

I think you will see the draft positions all get smaller as we approach the draft, but I expect the QBs to be taken off the board in that order with Mike Glennon perhaps jumping Barkley and Murray jumping Nassib if he chooses to declare. I anticipate a QB to be taken in the top 3. Odds are that it'll be Smith. This may give the Chiefs an opportunity to trade down and accumulate more picks if someone really wants to jump up and snag Smith ahead of Jacksonville or perhaps trade up for Te'o, Jarvis Jones, or someone else. The cost of acquiring the #1 pick overall is steep and will only net the Chiefs a swap of firsts, a 2nd and probably another later pick if not more, so it's gonna be a pretty BIG deal if the Chiefs are able to move out of that #1 pick.

Which teams in the draft need a QB upgrade?

1. Kansas City
2. Jacksonville
7. Arizona
10. Buffalo
12. Cleveland
15. New York Jets

Amazing, right? All 6 teams in the bottom half of the league... shocking.

If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson but not at #1 overall, they probably can't trade down any further than #6 with Tennessee because Arizona needs a QB desperately, as does Jacksonville. The question is going to be who do the Chiefs value more going forward as their franchise QB and where do they think they can get him? Could the Chiefs draft the best player available at #1 overall and land their guy with #33? Or, are the Chiefs going to have to take their QB #1 overall? Perhaps they get a chance to trade down and take their QB later in the top 10. There are a few different scenarios that could play out, but these are the guys they have to evaluate and decide on. The free agent market doesn't have an answer and there aren't too many backup QBs worth trading for. But, the teams listed above are the ones the Chiefs are going to have to deal with if they're going to land a new face of the franchise.

Hopefully, the Chiefs can find a way to maximize their value while landing the guy they want instead of what has happened the last few drafts where Pioli absolutely didn't care about value as long as he filled a hole in his mind.

I would not waste a pick on any of them.

[Three7s]

Show me where I said you are the only one defending him. You did defend him with some lame article talking about how he responded to someone in the stands. We are responsible for our actions why does our society always find an excuse for inappropriate behavior. That's what your article does is make an excuse for him.

A blood sign is an extremely derogative gesture to those in the know. By flashing that sign he showed his cowardice in saying I have a gang to back me up. That's what throwing a gang sign means...period.
So, if the Chiefs go into Denver and demolish the Broncos and Charles has 250+ rushing yards and 3 TDs, but starts flashing gang signs, will you instantly hate him?

Sorry, but this all sounds like a great big excuse to not draft a QB. Sometimes you have to take risks, and even if there's a chance it doesn't pay off, you have to keep trying. Trust me, if the Raiders ended up drafting Geno Smith and own us for the next 15 years, I think you'd see what I mean.

[DMN]

So, if the Chiefs go into Denver and demolish the Broncos and Charles has 250+ rushing yards and 3 TDs, but starts flashing gang signs, will you instantly hate him?

Sorry, but this all sounds like a great big excuse to not draft a QB. Sometimes you have to take risks, and even if there's a chance it doesn't pay off, you have to keep trying. Trust me, if the Raiders ended up drafting Geno Smith and own us for the next 15 years, I think you'd see what I mean.

Look... Hind sight will always be 20/20. Maybe Geno is our savior. But all we have to determine that is what he has done so far. And while his college stats are impressive (especially his completion %) I think we can both agree it takes a hell of a lot to make it as a successful QB in the NFL.

You hear all the time about how the most important part of scouting is the interviews. I myself see this as a glimpse of someone showing their true colors. This video gives any fan the morale authority to question this person especially with the assumption that we are to take him with such a valuable pick.

Maybe the raiders do take him and they own us for 15 years... But I bet you would be hard pressed to find RGIII, Luck, Wilson, Ryan, just to name a few young successful QBs, flashing gang signs to opposing teams. Maybe Jamarcus russell or mike vick come to mind. Pacman Jones?

Look at where you work and who you would hire on your staff... If you tell me right now that if you saw a potential future hire on the street flashing gang signs before his interview, and then came in and said everything you wanted to hear, that you would not have your doubts? you say that and I let it rest.

[texaschief]

So, if the Chiefs go into Denver and demolish the Broncos and Charles has 250+ rushing yards and 3 TDs, but starts flashing gang signs, will you instantly hate him?

Sorry, but this all sounds like a great big excuse to not draft a QB. Sometimes you have to take risks, and even if there's a chance it doesn't pay off, you have to keep trying. Trust me, if the Raiders ended up drafting Geno Smith and own us for the next 15 years, I think you'd see what I mean.

Charles is NOT a QB. Charles was NOT the #1 overall pick. Charles has PROVEN himself to be an elite RB at the NFL level. Smith hasn't even proven to be an elite QB at the collegiate level. Some pretty big differences there. I don't think anyone hates Smith for his actions. It's not about hate. It's about assessing what any one particular player offers as a return for the value the Chiefs will have to part with in order to obtain him.

You talk about risk... there's ALREADY a TON of risk involved when ANY team is talking about taking a QB in the first round. There weren't a bunch of questions swirling around Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Jonathan Sanchez, Matt Leinart, or a host of other notable first round bust QBs. Most of those guys were suppose to be "minimal risk" QBs. If ANY of those guys were in this draft coming out of college, they'd be a unanimous #1 player on the board. We don't even have ONE of those "minimal risk" QB prospects in this draft. They will ALL require SIGNIFICANT risk if they are going to be taken in the first half of the first round. Teams in the bottom half of the first round don't risk as much drafting guys like these because 12 of them made the playoffs and another 8 or so were contending to get in the playoffs until the final weeks of the season. (Which, as we know by now, doesn't happen unless you at least have an above average QB.)

The Raiders DID draft this kid a few years ago... he just went by the name of "JaMarcus Russell" back then. The Raiders are all-in on Carson Palmer. They're not going to be in the market for a QB. Just stop it.

It's not about excuses NOT to draft a QB. It's about WHICH QB to draft. Just because I'm holding a straight, doesn't mean I'm going to win the pot; just because we have the #1 pick, doesn't mean the QB we take will be successful. Sometime you need to know when to be conservative. Trading down should be priority #1 for the draft if the Chiefs are unable to address the QB position before then. If the Chiefs anticipate a good QB prospect to still be on the board late in the first or 2nd round, they could sign a FA QB like Moore as a stop-gap until the rookie is ready to play. That's exactly what the Dolphins did this year and were pleasantly surprised when Tannehill stepped up and won the spot over the summer.

[nigeriannightmare]

So, if the Chiefs go into Denver and demolish the Broncos and Charles has 250+ rushing yards and 3 TDs, but starts flashing gang signs, will you instantly hate him?

Sorry, but this all sounds like a great big excuse to not draft a QB. Sometimes you have to take risks, and even if there's a chance it doesn't pay off, you have to keep trying. Trust me, if the Raiders ended up drafting Geno Smith and own us for the next 15 years, I think you'd see what I mean.

You are talking a scenario that won't happen it won't. That's like saying apple and hand grenades are the same thing. If Charles hasn't done it by now he won't do it. Called maturity and poise and professionalism. And good god you are deft. I want to draft a qb just not geno smith.

[nigeriannightmare]

Charles is NOT a QB. Charles was NOT the #1 overall pick. Charles has PROVEN himself to be an elite RB at the NFL level. Smith hasn't even proven to be an elite QB at the collegiate level. Some pretty big differences there. I don't think anyone hates Smith for his actions. It's not about hate. It's about assessing what any one particular player offers as a return for the value the Chiefs will have to part with in order to obtain him.

You talk about risk... there's ALREADY a TON of risk involved when ANY team is talking about taking a QB in the first round. There weren't a bunch of questions swirling around Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Jonathan Sanchez, Matt Leinart, or a host of other notable first round bust QBs. Most of those guys were suppose to be "minimal risk" QBs. If ANY of those guys were in this draft coming out of college, they'd be a unanimous #1 player on the board. We don't even have ONE of those "minimal risk" QB prospects in this draft. They will ALL require SIGNIFICANT risk if they are going to be taken in the first half of the first round. Teams in the bottom half of the first round don't risk as much drafting guys like these because 12 of them made the playoffs and another 8 or so were contending to get in the playoffs until the final weeks of the season. (Which, as we know by now, doesn't happen unless you at least have an above average QB.)

The Raiders DID draft this kid a few years ago... he just went by the name of "JaMarcus Russell" back then. The Raiders are all-in on Carson Palmer. They're not going to be in the market for a QB. Just stop it.

It's not about excuses NOT to draft a QB. It's about WHICH QB to draft. Just because I'm holding a straight, doesn't mean I'm going to win the pot; just because we have the #1 pick, doesn't mean the QB we take will be successful. Sometime you need to know when to be conservative. Trading down should be priority #1 for the draft if the Chiefs are unable to address the QB position before then. If the Chiefs anticipate a good QB prospect to still be on the board late in the first or 2nd round, they could sign a FA QB like Moore as a stop-gap until the rookie is ready to play. That's exactly what the Dolphins did this year and were pleasantly surprised when Tannehill stepped up and won the spot over the summer.

And the raiders drafted terrel Pryor also.

[whackojacko58]

I want brett farve!!!

[texaschief]

And the raiders drafted terrel Pryor also.

A MUCH better example.

[Three7s]

Charles is NOT a QB. Charles was NOT the #1 overall pick. Charles has PROVEN himself to be an elite RB at the NFL level. Smith hasn't even proven to be an elite QB at the collegiate level. Some pretty big differences there. I don't think anyone hates Smith for his actions. It's not about hate. It's about assessing what any one particular player offers as a return for the value the Chiefs will have to part with in order to obtain him.

You talk about risk... there's ALREADY a TON of risk involved when ANY team is talking about taking a QB in the first round. There weren't a bunch of questions swirling around Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Jonathan Sanchez, Matt Leinart, or a host of other notable first round bust QBs. Most of those guys were suppose to be "minimal risk" QBs. If ANY of those guys were in this draft coming out of college, they'd be a unanimous #1 player on the board. We don't even have ONE of those "minimal risk" QB prospects in this draft. They will ALL require SIGNIFICANT risk if they are going to be taken in the first half of the first round. Teams in the bottom half of the first round don't risk as much drafting guys like these because 12 of them made the playoffs and another 8 or so were contending to get in the playoffs until the final weeks of the season. (Which, as we know by now, doesn't happen unless you at least have an above average QB.)

The Raiders DID draft this kid a few years ago... he just went by the name of "JaMarcus Russell" back then. The Raiders are all-in on Carson Palmer. They're not going to be in the market for a QB. Just stop it.

It's not about excuses NOT to draft a QB. It's about WHICH QB to draft. Just because I'm holding a straight, doesn't mean I'm going to win the pot; just because we have the #1 pick, doesn't mean the QB we take will be successful. Sometime you need to know when to be conservative. Trading down should be priority #1 for the draft if the Chiefs are unable to address the QB position before then. If the Chiefs anticipate a good QB prospect to still be on the board late in the first or 2nd round, they could sign a FA QB like Moore as a stop-gap until the rookie is ready to play. That's exactly what the Dolphins did this year and were pleasantly surprised when Tannehill stepped up and won the spot over the summer.
The reason I used Charles' name is because he's the best player on the team. You may not think Geno Smith could be an elite QB in this league, and obviously, many on this forum think the same, but I do. I see it in his arm, his pocket awareness, his accuracy, and his ability to be clutch at big moments. Sure, he didn't win as many games as he would've liked. He could've been better at certain times, but he also had one of the worst defenses in the BCS.

I agree with DMN. Let's wait until the Combine when the coaches and scouts start interviewing him and see what happens. I know I've said this once, but I'll say it again. The NFL isn't the care-bear league. Not every player can act perfect 100% of the time. Almost every professional athlete has done something that they probably aren't proud of. That being said, the NFL is a business. If Geno Smith isn't doing stupid stuff to distract the team, then I could care less as long as he produces.

[texaschief]

The reason I used Charles' name is because he's the best player on the team.

Fine. Let's use the "best player on the team" analogy. Larry Johnson was the best player on the team. He had all the tools to be one of the great RBs the NFL has ever seen. Not only was he the only weapon the offense had, but he was figuratively unstoppable. Johnson had given no signs previously that he would be the mentally weak, misogynistic, washout thug that the we've come to know. Geno Smith has given us an indication. It may have been an isolated event... but it still happened and is something to consider if we're looking at him as #1 overall. I think that, yes, the K.C. community would turn dramatically on JC if he started acting up... we've already seen it with L.J.

You may not think Geno Smith could be an elite QB in this league, and obviously, many on this forum think the same, but I do. I see it in his arm, his pocket awareness, his accuracy, and his ability to be clutch at big moments. Sure, he didn't win as many games as he would've liked. He could've been better at certain times, but he also had one of the worst defenses in the BCS.

I agree with DMN. Let's wait until the Combine when the coaches and scouts start interviewing him and see what happens. I know I've said this once, but I'll say it again. The NFL isn't the care-bear league. Not every player can act perfect 100% of the time. Almost every professional athlete has done something that they probably aren't proud of. That being said, the NFL is a business. If Geno Smith isn't doing stupid stuff to distract the team, then I could care less as long as he produces.


I completely agree. But his tools don't warrant the gamble on THIS athlete's personality, attitude, and behavior. The tools are there. I don't deny that. He's not as polished as I'd like from a #1 overall, franchise shouldering QB, but he definitely has the tools... but so do the other top 2 or 3 QBs in this draft class. The cost/benefit ratio doesn't warrant taking Smith #1 overall (or ANY QB in this class for that matter). If they could trade down and take him in the middle of the first, then he'd be a more palatable choice.

Looking at the total package, in my OWN opinion, Smith is NOT the QB prospect that is the least-risk option. Therefor, if the Chiefs can get the QB that DOES represent the least-risk but also is a comparable commodity in the mid-to-late first or 2nd, then THAT is where the Chiefs' QB selection should be targeted.

I can't stress this enough. There is a value at which EVERY athlete should be considered. If we were having this conversation on day 2 of the draft and Geno Smith was still on the board, I'd be yelling, kicking, and SCREAMING for the front office to take him. As I mentioned a few posts ago, basic economic principles need to be applied to the draft and the offseason as a whole. You can't just say "hey, he fills a need and is the best option at his position this year, so let's take him." That's why you NEVER see OGs taken in the top 5... EVER. They don't represent the greatest value at that pick... a comparable commodity could be had for MUCH cheaper... and that's what we have with this year's QB class.

Is Smith the best QB in this draft class? Arguably, yes. But does the difference between him and the guy who's available late in the first warrant paying such a high premium as the #1 pick? I say no.

[nigeriannightmare]

Dick Vermeil did not like Larry Johnson because of his attitude he didn't want to draft him that was all Carl Peterson. You all have to remember the reference to the diaper comments and LJ don't you. LJ had a me first attitude and dick vermeil knew it CO wanted him and we paid for it.

[nigeriannightmare]

I completely agree. But his tools don't warrant the gamble on THIS athlete's personality, attitude, and behavior. The tools are there. I don't deny that. He's not as polished as I'd like from a #1 overall, franchise shouldering QB, but he definitely has the tools... but so do the other top 2 or 3 QBs in this draft class. The cost/benefit ratio doesn't warrant taking Smith #1 overall (or ANY QB in this class for that matter). If they could trade down and take him in the middle of the first, then he'd be a more palatable choice.

Looking at the total package, in my OWN opinion, Smith is NOT the QB prospect that is the least-risk option. Therefor, if the Chiefs can get the QB that DOES represent the least-risk but also is a comparable commodity in the mid-to-late first or 2nd, then THAT is where the Chiefs' QB selection should be targeted.

I can't stress this enough. There is a value at which EVERY athlete should be considered. If we were having this conversation on day 2 of the draft and Geno Smith was still on the board, I'd be yelling, kicking, and SCREAMING for the front office to take him. As I mentioned a few posts ago, basic economic principles need to be applied to the draft and the offseason as a whole. You can't just say "hey, he fills a need and is the best option at his position this year, so let's take him." That's why you NEVER see OGs taken in the top 5... EVER. They don't represent the greatest value at that pick... a comparable commodity could be had for MUCH cheaper... and that's what we have with this year's QB class.

Is Smith the best QB in this draft class? Arguably, yes. But does the difference between him and the guy who's available late in the first warrant paying such a high premium as the #1 pick? I say no.

Yessir.

[texaschief]

Want to know what the REAL "Patriot Way" is?

It's understanding the value of players in the draft and maximizing the value of ALL their resources... cap room, current personnel, and draft picks. If there isn't a player worth their selection, they trade the pick for maximum value. They understand where players should be taken in the drafts, have a good understanding as to where certain position players rank among their peers, and which position represents the greatest value in any particular draft. They have a great understanding as to who surrounds them in the draft and how to best exploit their draft position.

Want to know why the Patriots and Spurs are always among the best in the their salary-capped leagues? It's not just because of Tom Brady and Tim Duncan. It's because they understand the economics of the sports in which they compete. You rarely see either team making big splashes in the draft. Hell, the Spurs rarely have a first round pick and the Patriots are always picking the last 5 or 6 picks of the first round.

Plugging holes isn't enough to be successful in a salary-capped league. This isn't baseball where you have the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, or Redsox payrolls and it's all just plug-and-play. Baseball is all about statistics and metrics in a league where they're FAR LESS valuable than sports like basketball and football where you NEED as much information as possible to make sure you're getting the greatest value for your dollar. If someone put together a chart comparing each team's draft value over the last 15 years to everyone else's, I'd bet you'd see New England in the top 5 and Kansas City in the bottom 5. The value just is not there when it comes to the Chiefs' drafts... and the ultimate result comes to bare when we see this franchise in utter disarray, picking #1 overall with no clear direction for the future.

[whackojacko58]

But this is the 2nd draft in the new rookie cba. Its not as risky as jamarcus russel, sam bradford, four year contract still making less then matt cassel has over four miserable years

[texaschief]

But this is the 2nd draft in the new rookie cba. Its not as risky as jamarcus russel, sam bradford, four year contract still making less then matt cassel has over four miserable years

You're correct. It's not as risky as the #1 overall pick PLUS a huge contract anymore. But, because the risk has been reduced, the value of the pick has sky-rocketed. There's even more value in that #1 overall pick because teams no longer have to risk signing that player to gigantic salaries that eat up all the cap space.

Again, value, value, value. The Chiefs are in a position to get maximum value for the player they SHOULD want in this draft. Last year, we saw multiple teams move up in the draft because they don't need to worry about the salary cap ramifications any longer from signing high draft picks. So, GMs are willing to give up picks in order to acquire the guys at the top of their boards.

My argument is that even if you think Geno Smith MAY be the best QB coming out of the draft, the difference between him and another QB who could be taken later in the first, is NOT EQUAL to the value they'd be losing by taking Smith #1 overall. In order for the Chiefs to become relevant again, they're going to need to find a way to start maximizing ALL their assets. The #1 overall pick is a highly coveted pick... you could take ANYONE. If you're fielding calls for that pick, you should take the best deal available. Trade down and continue to trade down until you're in a position to pick the player you want at the price that makes it appropriate.

Just because Best Buy has a TV that is valued at $1500, doesn't mean you should buy it if you can get a comparable unit for half the price. Sure, the TV fills a need, but what if you're in the market for a surround sound, bluray, and xbox as well? If you have $1500 to spend, you don't blow your entire budget on the TV just because it fills a need. You maximize your budget through opportunity cost. You can't spend money on the surround sound, bluray, and xbox if you've already spent it on the tv.

If it's the Chiefs we're talking about, it's possible that we could draft an elite ILB AND a comparable QB to Smith if we either trade down or take a LB in the first and QB in the second. The difference between Te'o and the best ILB available at #33 is > than the difference between Smith and the best QB available at #33.

There is your valuation. Things like this need to be taken into account and they just haven't been in Kansas City for a LONG time.

[Guru]

Gets heckled and responds to being heckled equals mentally weak. Going from Heisman front runner to not even Heisman finalist equals mentally weak. Have you not read this article???? gives in depth analysis on the qbs and Geno smiths me first attitude which in no way shape or form will translate to leading an nfl franchise day one.

He didn't lose those games, his atrocious defense did that. HIs only truly bad game was against K State. Outside of that, the kid put up serious points every single week.

[Guru]

So, if the Chiefs go into Denver and demolish the Broncos and Charles has 250+ rushing yards and 3 TDs, but starts flashing gang signs, will you instantly hate him?

Sorry, but this all sounds like a great big excuse to not draft a QB. Sometimes you have to take risks, and even if there's a chance it doesn't pay off, you have to keep trying. Trust me, if the Raiders ended up drafting Geno Smith and own us for the next 15 years, I think you'd see what I mean.

Absolutely THIS. I'm tired of the Chiefs refusing to swing the bat at every draft since 83. Get in there and take a risk on someone. If it doesn't work out. TRY AGAIN. Quit playing it safe at the most important position on the damn field.

[chiefnut]

Dick Vermeil did not like Larry Johnson because of his attitude he didn't want to draft him that was all Carl Peterson. You all have to remember the reference to the diaper comments and LJ don't you. LJ had a me first attitude and dick vermeil knew it CO wanted him and we paid for it.


To be fair, what we got in the beginning was one of the best running backs in the league, which herm destroyed with his 40+ carries a game/ultra conservative play calling butned him out. yes he was a head case and was a distraction later on. i do think however under different coaching, one that didn't hate him and one that didn't let the opposing defenses to gang tackle him 3 yds deep 4o times a game, he would have turned out better.

[nigeriannightmare]

To be fair, what we got in the beginning was one of the best running backs in the league, which herm destroyed with his 40+ carries a game/ultra conservative play calling butned him out. yes he was a head case and was a distraction later on. i do think however under different coaching, one that didn't hate him and one that didn't let the opposing defenses to gang tackle him 3 yds deep 4o times a game, he would have turned out better.

Doesn't matter dick vermeil knew the person he was. He ran behind Willie road and will shields dude and tony g is no slouch blocking either. Dick vermeil said he had never had to hold a players hand the way he had to with LJ.

[nigeriannightmare]

He didn't lose those games, his atrocious defense did that. HIs only truly bad game was against K State. Outside of that, the kid put up serious points every single week.

Proves my point even more. He wins and still gets frustrated enough to jump up an flash a blood sign. That is mentally weak anyway you want to slice it.

[nigeriannightmare]

Absolutely THIS. I'm tired of the Chiefs refusing to swing the bat at every draft since 83. Get in there and take a risk on someone. If it doesn't work out. TRY AGAIN. Quit playing it safe at the most important position on the damn field.

We need to quit drafting out of need and take the best damn player available. Give me a draft in the last five years where we didn't reach for our pick because it fit eeds we had to have.

[Three7s]

Absolutely THIS. I'm tired of the Chiefs refusing to swing the bat at every draft since 83. Get in there and take a risk on someone. If it doesn't work out. TRY AGAIN. Quit playing it safe at the most important position on the damn field.

We need to quit drafting out of need and take the best damn player available. Give me a draft in the last five years where we didn't reach for our pick because it fit eeds we had to have.
The Chiefs didn't draft for need last year. PIoli and his gang of buffoons truly thought Poe was the BPA. If they wanted to draft for need, they would've got a QB.

[texaschief]

... and, that explains Tyson Jackson and Jonathan Baldwin?

[nigeriannightmare]

The Chiefs didn't draft for need last year. PIoli and his gang of buffoons truly thought Poe was the BPA. If they wanted to draft for need, they would've got a QB.

He thought the qb situation was covered obviously he thought Quinn, cassel, and stanzi were all we needed so he obviously didn't think a qb was a position of need. Dontari Poe was projected to be drafted mid to late first round. We all thought it was a reach but said it was something we needed. I think most on here wanted decastro.

[Guru]

We need to quit drafting out of need and take the best damn player available. Give me a draft in the last five years where we didn't reach for our pick because it fit eeds we had to have.

We NEED to quit ignoring the QB position.

[texaschief]

We NEED to quit ignoring the QB position.

I think we ALL agree on this, but it doesn't mean we should be reckless and just make a knee-jerk decision. There are enough questions about ALL the QBs in this draft class, that NONE of them should be taken #1 overall as we sit here and discuss this before the new year. Someone may separate themselves between now and the draft and prove to be worth the #1 overall selection.

But right now, nobody in this draft represents better value for the Chiefs than the "best player available" (whoever that is).

[chiefnut]

geno smith first 4 games
134 comp 168 att 80% 1673 yds 418yds/game 20 td o int
next 7 games
184 comp 308 att 60% 2008yds 287yds/gm 16tds 6 int

Which Geno will we be getting the super star of the first 4 games or the a little above average QB of the last 7
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as you can see he started out like Secratariat but then looked only slightly above average, just sayin he does not appear to be worth the #1 overall pick and may not even be the best QB available in the draft

[chiefnut]

in fact looking at genos last 7 games stats maybe we could pick up Matt Mcgloin in the 7th round as a back up. doses not have a strong arm but played in a pro style offense uner Bill Obrien [pats OC] was best QB in the big ten this year 270comp 446 att 60.5% 297yds/game 3271yds 24TDs 5 int
looks alot like geno smiths

[Three7s]

geno smith first 4 games
134 comp 168 att 80% 1673 yds 418yds/game 20 td o int
next 7 games
184 comp 308 att 60% 2008yds 287yds/gm 16tds 6 int

Which Geno will we be getting the super star of the first 4 games or the a little above average QB of the last 7
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as you can see he started out like Secratariat but then looked only slightly above average, just sayin he does not appear to be worth the #1 overall pick and may not even be the best QB available in the draft
Funny, none our QBs could hope to match what Geno did in the last seven, even though he was "cold" then.

[chiefnut]

Funny, none our QBs could hope to match what Geno did in the last seven, even though he was "cold" then.

geno may be better than our current QB stable but the ? still is he the best available and how much value is there in him via the draft. would it be worth trading down to add another 2nd round + picks and still get one or more of the other QBs out there?

[swochief]

geno may be better than our current QB stable but the ? still is he the best available and how much value is there in him via the draft. would it be worth trading down to add another 2nd round + picks and still get one or more of the other QBs out there?




If he doesn't stand out above the others your scenario would be ideal.

[texaschief]

I'm sure those first 4 games were great indicators of how he'll do in the NFL. Teams like Marshall, James Madison, Maryland, and Baylor are well-known football juggernauts loaded with NFL players drafted in the first rounds on a perennial basis... :lol:

[texaschief]

After seeing Geno Smith's bowl performance, he could very well be had with the #33 overall pick. Te'o and Smith wouldn't be a bad haul from your first two picks. :lol:

[swochief]

After seeing Geno Smith's bowl performance, he could very well be had with the #33 overall pick. Te'o and Smith wouldn't be a bad haul from your first two picks. :lol:



Agreed.


Barkley may have jumped back over him after today even though i don't think he's better plus he's from USC. Like to see how he'd do in those conditions. That might be good for some laughs.



Geno to me showed he's not good in bad weather and I wonder if people remember the playoffs are in january.:chiefs:

[texaschief]

Agreed.


Barkley may have jumped back over him after today even though i don't think he's better plus he's from USC. Like to see how he'd do in those conditions. That might be good for some laughs.



Geno to me showed he's not good in bad weather and I wonder if people remember the playoffs are in january.:chiefs:

Yeah, but the combine is indoors. :lol:

[swochief]

Yeah, but the combine is indoors. :lol:



:fishing: Yea i know dont remind me. :sign0178: lol

Maybe the Chiefs will bring him in for a private workout during one of those midwest late winter/early spring storms and see if he can handle that. That would be interesting:em79:

[swochief]

Would still like to see Cali boy Barkley in those conditions just for the fun of it.

[chiefnut]

barkley has an injury ? so all the team doc's will be checkn him out at or before the combine.

[swochief]

barkley has an injury ? so all the team doc's will be checkn him out at or before the combine.



Yeah , that could drop him way down the draft. Or they may be just being overly cautious.

[nigeriannightmare]

I'm sure those first 4 games were great indicators of how he'll do in the NFL. Teams like Marshall, James Madison, Maryland, and Baylor are well-known football juggernauts loaded with NFL players drafted in the first rounds on a perennial basis... :lol:

Don't forget the highlight reel against the mighty Jayhawks and the power house cyclones of Iowa st.

[Three7s]

Don't forget the highlight reel against the mighty Jayhawks and the power house cyclones of Iowa st.
Wanna see those Oklahoma highlights again? Right here on ChiefsCrowd.

[Coach]

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[texaschief]

ESPN INSIDER DRAFT PROFILES:

1 = EXCEPTIONAL 2 = ABOVE AVERAGE 3 = AVERAGE 4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL

GENO SMITH 6'3, 210 Lbs

Overall Football Traits

Production 2

2009: (5/0) - 49-32-65.3-309-1-1; 2010: (13/13) - 372-241-64.8-2,763-24-7; 2011: (13/13) - 526-346-65.8-4,385-31-7

Height-Weight-Speed 2

Possesses prototypical height but can continue to add bulk. Estimated top-end speed is well above-average.

Durability 2

Battled through a foot injury during spring practice of 2010. However, has not missed playing time and has started in all 26 games the past two seasons.

Intangibles 2

An extremely confident competitor that flashes a bit of a gunslinger's mentality on tape. Weight room work ethic is adequate but can improve. Continuing to mature and develop into a solid leader. Displays ability to rise up and will his team to victory. Showed impressive poise to conduct 4th quarter comeback on the road against Cincinnati and South Florida in 2011. In particular showed great mental toughness against South Florida to bounce back and lead the Mountaineers to a game winning drive after throwing an interception for a touchdown early in the 4th quarter with a BCS birth on the line. Efficient in the red zone and held an 18 to 1 touchdown-to-interception ratio in 2011.

Quarterback Specific Traits

Mental Makeup 2

Plays in shotgun spread system and may need time to adjust to working under center and making pro-style reads. He is a cerebral quarterback with a stranglehold on the offense. Flashes ability to work from one side of the field to the other to get deep into his progressions. Flashes ability to anticipate and can release ball before targets are out of their breaks. Overall decision making is good but can continue to improve and can be guilty of being overconfident to attempt throws into coverage he should not make. Does a nice job of holding and manipulating coverage with his eyes. Very impressed with his poise and efficiency against pressure particularly against a highest level of competition (LSU 2011). Does not take many negative plays and is willing to throw the ball away to fight another down. Tough and will sit in and deliver an accurate throw while taking a hit.

Accuracy 3

Displays adequate overall accuracy but can continue to improve as a senior. Mechanics and footwork are solid. Usually throws with good balance. Very accurate in the short-to-intermediate range. Shows good placement and provides his receivers with the ability to create after the catch. Can make an accurate throw off balance and/or on the run to both sides. Also can thread the needle into tight downfield windows. A bit of fast ball thrower right now and can continue to develop touch, particularly with longer intermediate and deeps throws. Needs to learn to put more air under his deep ball and drop it down the chute to provide more room for error with receivers.

Release/Arm Strength 2

Displays a compact 3/4 release. Ball is clean coming off his hand with ample RPMs. Shows ability to change release points without sacrificing velocity or accuracy. Lower release point can give him problems with batted balls particularly when throwing shallow crossing or drag routes. Arm strength is notch below elite and can make all the NFL throws. Drives the ball downfield and gets plenty of zip behind deep out throw from the opposite hash.

Pocket Mobility 1

A gifted athlete with above-average mobility and foot quickness. Flashes ability to escape pressure, extend plays and pick up yards with his feet if need be. However, he is clearly a pocket passer first and shows good instincts and poise inside of the pocket. Does not panic when protection leaks and will use subtle movements inside of the pocket to buy time while keeping his eyes downfield. Also does a nice job of extending plays without crossing the line of scrimmage to allow his receivers time find the open areas when breaking contain.

Point Total 16


Tyler Wilson 6'2, 210 Lbs

Overall Football Traits

Production 1

2008: Medical redshirt; 2009: (5/0) - 22-36-61.1-218-2-2; 2010: (6/0) - 34-51-66.7-453-4-3; 2011: (13/13) - 277-438-63.2-3,638-24-6

Height-Weight-Speed 4

Shorter than ideal but not a red flag. Also needs to add some bulk to frame. Straight-line speed is below average for the position.

Durability 2

Lack of good size is concerning for next-level durability. But he's tough and proven capable of playing through pain. Started all 13 games in first year as fulltime starter (2011) in the SEC. Suffered an 'illness' that led to medical redshirt in 2008.

Intangibles 1

Team captain in 2011 and 2012. Good leadership skills. Very good football character and intelligence. Tireless worker in the film room. Brings a calming presence to the huddle. Son of Don and Suzy Wilson. Named to SEC Academic Honor Roll in fall of 2010. Majoring in recreation and sport management.

Mental Makeup 2

Poised quarterback with natural on-field leadership qualities. Very good under pressure. Mentally and physically tough. Hangs tough in pocket and will deliver the ball when he knows he's about to get ear-holed. Does not get visibly flustered from mistakes. Bounces back quickly and has necessary selective amnesia. Does not show up his teammates on the field. Has a very good understanding of progression reads. Plays in a pro-style system. Mostly in shotgun but does have experience under center and does a fine job of reading coverage while dropping. Looks off safeties and knows how to negotiate them to buy more time for WR. Needs to cut down on critical errors, though. Forces too many throws into coverage and needs to learn when to just eat the ball (classic ex: 1336 2nd QTR vs. S.C. 2011).

Accuracy 3

Shows consistent ability to make accurate throws off-platform. Tends to be more mechanically sound and accurate when rolling left than rolling right, but has better than average accuracy and zip when throwing on the run. Displays impressive accuracy and timing when throwing WRs open versus zone coverage. Also should be noted that he had entirely too many accurate throws dropped by WRs in 201. Above average accuracy overall but he does have some bad misses. Biggest issue is with inconsistent feet. He gets too loose with his footwork and throws off balance far too often, which leads to his erratic misses. More often than not he misses high. Will sail too many throws over the middle and down the field. Also not as natural as ideal on short throws requiring touch. Robs his WRs of some yards after catch by frequently missing within strike zone.

Release/Arm Strength 3

Would like to see him more consistently compact with delivery. He shows ability to snap release and get the ball out quickly. But he also has a lot of throws where he drops the all down and brings it up the back shaft in a windmill style delivery. His release also tends to change when throwing with linemen in front of his face. He gets under the ball and it comes out unnaturally high. Overall arm strength is adequate but not great. Shows above average zip on intermediate throw, especially over the middle and/or when he has a clear window. He can make all the necessary throws but certain throws need to be delivered with good timing to avoid problems. Does not get great RPMs on the ball. Ball frequently flutters.

Pocket Mobility 2

Underrated pocket mobility. Very functional scrambler. Feels the rush, has a good sense of where it's coming from and shows adequate quickness and athletic ability in eluding. Consistently buys extra time with feet and is comfortable adlibbing on the run. Can stop-and-pop quickly and accurately. Does occasionally bail too early but ineffective pass pro plays a big role. Would rather see him bail when mental clock timer goes off than be too comfortable holding onto the ball all day in the pocket. Only has decent top-end speed and not very elusive but is a competitive and tough runner. Needs to protect the ball better on the move, as well. Carries the ball low and/or away from frame too often (see: redzone lost fumble 14:11 2nd QTR vs. Mississippi State).

Point Total 19

[nigeriannightmare]

Wanna see those Oklahoma highlights again? Right here on ChiefsCrowd.

And who beat Oklahoma and held their rushing offense to 13 YARDS. Winner come up big when it counts followers go through the motions. So yes let's compare oklahomas overrated football team please.

[whackojacko58]

I still prefer geno sorry. I feel geno will seperate himself in his pro work out and combine and interviews

[stingpana]

My humblest suggestions:

Coach: Andy Reid and all his coaching staff. Winning Coach

QB: Tebow or any of the 49rs, could be Colin Kaepernick or the main one, Alex Smith. I dont think the 49rs will keep both.

Draft: A good Wide Receiver.

This draft doesnt have good QB's. All of them have lack of leadership and others doesnt meet the age required to play NFL (under 21).


What you think?

[whackojacko58]

No tebow no tebow no tebow, the only qb 49ers would part with is smith and no hes a game manager, reid posibly but not likely not entire staff, drafting a wr we did it was baldwin... Free agency is only way to find a wr we need to sign bowe

[swochief]

Reid's offenses never were very good running the ball so no to his staff , him maybe. I know this is a passing league now but we do still have Charles and some capable backups in Draugns and Grey. Chiefs are still gonna run the ball around 50% unless new coach trades 2 of those away for wrs.

No way on Tebow , not as a qb which is all he wants to be. Like the person , hate the qb.

Smith for competition and the #2 vet backup QB. Who knows he might just win the #1 , at least till the young gun is ready like Kaepernick. 49ers won't let that kid go now.

[dbolan]

Admittingly, I did not read any of the posts above.

We should make a play for Cousins. He led his MSU team to some great battles and he has the brass and the leadership, by example, to bring KC back to promised land.

If we do not get him, someone will!!

PS- Aren't his intitials KC?? LOL

[fairladyZ]

washington wants two 1st and a mid round pick for cousins.. No way in hell you pay that for someone that's played 1 game

[dbolan]

washington wants two 1st and a mid round pick for cousins.. No way in hell you pay that for someone that's played 1 game

What they WANT and what they will TAKE are 2 different things. And what did Washington sacrifice or RG3?? They will trade for less.

LMAO!!!

[texaschief]

I'd give them #33 and a 5th. No more.

[fairladyZ]

What they WANT and what they will TAKE are 2 different things. And what did Washington sacrifice or RG3?? They will trade for less.

LMAO!!!


That's the point they HAVE him, they don't HAVE to take anything for him, they set their price and if they don't get it guess what, he sits behind RG3 who has been hurt twice this season already.

nobody will pay what washington wants and guess what washington won't let him go cause they hold all the chips at this point. Cousins is a virtual wash on any team trying to aquire him.

[kcnation]

ive said it before and ill say it again,...there is no qb in this draft to start a team with.they are all garbage and not what we are looking for at all.we have a long way to go to build a contending team so we have to go after the best players that fit our system which may change depending on who we get for a head coach.

[Lord-Chiefy]

Keep Matt. Get coaches wr's Lb's that can cover and a Cb. Draft a qb 3rd rd. Or trade bc back up to 2nd and get one.

[sportswunderkind]

Whatever KC does, they need to avoid Alex Smith.

[N TX Dave]

Maybe we will make Kyle Shanahan the new HC and his daddy will trade us Cousins for a realistic deal. I mean we need our mid round picks for an OG/C now that Lilja retired.
I think I might swap first picks with them and Cousins, I mean they just drafted him last year for a 5th round pick.

[fairladyZ]

aaron murray looked very sharp today, had some bad throws but stepped up at the end of the game and had a monster day against the #1 pass defense in FBS.

kinda curious now if he declares to come out for the draft he may spark my intrest quite abit.

He's got a good arm, great footwork. wish he was bigger though

[texaschief]

Maybe we will make Kyle Shanahan the new HC and his daddy will trade us Cousins for a realistic deal. I mean we need our mid round picks for an OG/C now that Lilja retired.
I think I might swap first picks with them and Cousins, I mean they just drafted him last year for a 5th round pick.

That's a fun idea. I'm all about taking linemen in the middle rounds. I think whether we put anymore picks toward the line depends on if we re-sign Albert. If we bring Albert back, I think our O-line is deep enough to sustain a Lilja departure.

[swochief]

aaron murray looked very sharp today, had some bad throws but stepped up at the end of the game and had a monster day against the #1 pass defense in FBS.

kinda curious now if he declares to come out for the draft he may spark my intrest quite abit.

He's got a good arm, great footwork. wish he was bigger though


He did start out in a bad way w/ that deep pick down the middle & the screen pick where the running back fell down wasn't good either , don't remember exactly when that one happened.

After that he settled down. Had great day.

Something around 18-33 for 470 yds , 5 tds and the 2 picks. Against arguably the number 1 pass defense in college. Completed alot of passes in really tight cover by Huskers D , several were doubled covered too.

[matthewschiefs]

He did start out in a bad way w/ that deep pick down the middle & the screen pick where the running back fell down wasn't good either , don't remember exactly when that one happened.

After that he settled down. Had great day.

Something around 18-33 for 470 yds , 5 tds and the 2 picks. Against arguably the number 1 pass defense in college. Completed alot of passes in really tight cover by Huskers D , several were doubled covered too.

And some of those in tight coverage were also deep down the field. Really liked what I have seen from him. I wouldn't mind getting him at all.

[Lord-Chiefy]

He's not available nor McCarran.

[lucky_lefty]

Those of you wanting Murray have not seen his full body of work. They don't call him Aaron "Romo" for nothing. Kid's a choker in big game situations. And IDK if it's been said because I laughing hard at the comments but Geno is from Miramar, FL NOT that part of VA that's being insinuated. No off field trouble and that ONE incident that only butt hurt UT fans brought up and he's a "thug"...lol, ok. Kid went through school in the gifted program. Don't know how many "thugs" you guys know that were in gifted classes

[KristofLaw]

Yeah, I'm not to worried about the kids mentality either from things I've heard in other places. Just want to see his interview, I think if he does good with that he can easily be our guy whether we drop a couple slots or not.

Kinda surprised on your analogy of Murray though, he looked good in some clutch games I've seen but I haven't followed his whole career. Is he gonna declare at any rate?

[whackojacko58]

Geno smith with andy reid? Love it

[nigeriannightmare]

Those of you wanting Murray have not seen his full body of work. They don't call him Aaron "Romo" for nothing. Kid's a choker in big game situations. And IDK if it's been said because I laughing hard at the comments but Geno is from Miramar, FL NOT that part of VA that's being insinuated. No off field trouble and that ONE incident that only butt hurt UT fans brought up and he's a "thug"...lol, ok. Kid went through school in the gifted program. Don't know how many "thugs" you guys know that were in gifted classes

Yeah you are right there are no thugs in broward county. Some of the poorest areas in the country bro. You don't learn a blood sign by hangin out with the right people. I was an undergrad in the inner city and thank go all they did was look out for me but i dare any person on this site to go throw a gang sign in the city and see what the eff happens. You all talk as if its not a big deal. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Someone who flashes a gang sign is a freaking coward there is nothing to debate. It states I have people to back me up do you?

He went through a gifted program? Makes me question his leadership even more. He should be able to handle a drunk fan heckling.

[nigeriannightmare]

Give me one franchise qb, other than Michael Vick, that is a franchise qb that throws a gang sign because he was frustrated over a drunk fan. We aren't asking him to be a backup and learn for a couple of years we are asking him to be THE GUY on day one.

[huskylawyer]

Give me one franchise qb, other than Michael Vick, that is a franchise qb that throws a gang sign because he was frustrated over a drunk fan. We aren't asking him to be a backup and learn for a couple of years we are asking him to be THE GUY on day one.

Long time lurker but I gotta post now after this nonsense. You don't like Geno Smith because you think he's a "thug"? What don't you just call a spade a spade and tell us what REALLY is bothering you about Smith. I think we know.

Smith has been nothing but a model citizen, and most objective commentators say his "strength" is his intelligence and work ethic. For example, ESPN insider notes that, "He is a cerebral quarterback with a stranglehold on the offense." He's a finance and business major at WVU, and scored a 1390 on his SAT. Does that sound like a "thug" to you?

You probably like Johnny Football. Oh wait, strike that, he was charged with various crimes in a racially induced fight (where his buddy called someone the n-word).

This is a kid that put up 400 yards against LSU last year, and his "bad game" in the bowl was 66% completion, 2 TDS, and 0 INTS in the snow and windy conditions.

Dude..just stop.

[whackojacko58]

Geno naha, geno naha, teo naha. Thank god no one on here gets to make a decision for this franchise these arguments are getting repetitive childess and pointless. Give up people who think geno who is as immature as all other kids in college is the best rookie qb isnt going to stop thinking that just because inner city kids take offense to gang signs, all gangs are retarded, if you guys want a saint go tell kc to sign tebow get ocer it. All these kids are immature thats why there called kids! But arguing the same fact overand over and over is pointless guess what your not going to agree by continueibg to bring up a point that is irrelavent to the future of this franchise let it go or shut up

[whackojacko58]

Long time lurker but I gotta post now after this nonsense. You don't like Geno Smith because you think he's a "thug"? What don't you just call a spade a spade and tell us what REALLY is bothering you about Smith. I think we know.

Smith has been nothing but a model citizen, and most objective commentators say his "strength" is his intelligence and work ethic. For example, ESPN insider notes that, "He is a cerebral quarterback with a stranglehold on the offense." He's a finance and business major at WVU, and scored a 1390 on his SAT. Does that sound like a "thug" to you?

You probably like Johnny Football. Oh wait, strike that, he was charged with various crimes in a racially induced fight (where his buddy called someone the n-word).

This is a kid that put up 400 yards against LSU last year, and his "bad game" in the bowl was 66% completion, 2 TDS, and 0 INTS in the snow and windy conditions.

Dude..just stop.


Props on your first post loved it. And welcome to the crowd :)

[nigeriannightmare]

Long time lurker but I gotta post now after this nonsense. You don't like Geno Smith because you think he's a "thug"? What don't you just call a spade a spade and tell us what REALLY is bothering you about Smith. I think we know.

Smith has been nothing but a model citizen, and most objective commentators say his "strength" is his intelligence and work ethic. For example, ESPN insider notes that, "He is a cerebral quarterback with a stranglehold on the offense." He's a finance and business major at WVU, and scored a 1390 on his SAT. Does that sound like a "thug" to you?

You probably like Johnny Football. Oh wait, strike that, he was charged with various crimes in a racially induced fight (where his buddy called someone the n-word).

This is a kid that put up 400 yards against LSU last year, and his "bad game" in the bowl was 66% completion, 2 TDS, and 0 INTS in the snow and windy conditions.

Dude..just stop.

No I won't freaking stop. Absolutely backwards thinking. You all claim he is a football whiz and a student of the game yet a drunk fan in austin, this isn't the backyard brawl, it's Austin first year in the big 12 gets under his skin. Tough guy I will PM you a picture of a blood sign you go to my old neighborhood of 57th and Lydia in KC mo and see what happens. If he is this brilliant student who scored so well on the SAT, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to handle a drunk fan???? Really? Knock it the eff off. A blood sign is weak weak weak.

The fact that he is soo smart and did so well just makes his leadership abilities that more frustrating. Dude a leader does not do that period the end. There is no debate.

I'm still waiting for a qb that is the franchise that throws gang signs when heckled. Give me one. You can't. Leaders are leaders because they have integrity and class. THE END!

I like how the question on throwing up a sign that represents nothing but fear and hate is something you are willing to not dissect. Oh he's sooo smart oh he's a student of the game. He knowingly threw up a sign that people die over. What the eff ever!!!!

[nigeriannightmare]

And No I like Tyler Wilson or Aaron Murray but nice try.

[whackojacko58]

Oh i dissected it.... Yea im over it next reason hes a thug? Maybe he gets plastic not paper bags at the store, he maybe dosent recycle, he takes the pennys from the gas station conter, does he not put the lid down on the toilet?

[matthewschiefs]

No I won't freaking stop. Absolutely backwards thinking. You all claim he is a football whiz and a student of the game yet a drunk fan in austin, this isn't the backyard brawl, it's Austin first year in the big 12 gets under his skin. Tough guy I will PM you a picture of a blood sign you go to my old neighborhood of 57th and Lydia in KC mo and see what happens. If he is this brilliant student who scored so well on the SAT, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to handle a drunk fan???? Really? Knock it the eff off. A blood sign is weak weak weak.

The fact that he is soo smart and did so well just makes his leadership abilities that more frustrating. Dude a leader does not do that period the end. There is no debate.

I'm still waiting for a qb that is the franchise that throws gang signs when heckled. Give me one. You can't. Leaders are leaders because they have integrity and class. THE END!

I like how the question on throwing up a sign that represents nothing but fear and hate is something you are willing to not dissect. Oh he's sooo smart oh he's a student of the game. He knowingly threw up a sign that people die over. What the eff ever!!!!

Like you I'm not 100% sold on Geno but I do think you're making a tad to much of the gang signs thing he's 22 years old I'm 28 going to be 29 in a couple of weeks I now look at some things I did when I was around 20 and think how stupid they were. Give him a bit of slack and let him grow up a tad. And not let one moment form your opinion one someone. I'm sure you have had some moments in your life where you wouldn't want people to judge you on

[whackojacko58]

Like you I'm not 100% sold on Geno but I do think you're making a tad to much of the gang signs thing he's 22 years old I'm 28 going to be 29 in a couple of weeks I now look at some things I did when I was around 20 and think how stupid they were. Give him a bit of slack and let him grow up a tad. And not let one moment form your opinion one someone. I'm sure you have had some moments in your life where you wouldn't want people to judge you on

Exactly. Ive got a list of them myself, cant we all just get along. Lets get back to some good ol fashion football talk instead of over reacting come on group hug!

[Lord-Chiefy]

Long time lurker but I gotta post now after this nonsense. You don't like Geno Smith because you think he's a "thug"? What don't you just call a spade a spade and tell us what REALLY is bothering you about Smith. I think we know.

Smith has been nothing but a model citizen, and most objective commentators say his "strength" is his intelligence and work ethic. For example, ESPN insider notes that, "He is a cerebral quarterback with a stranglehold on the offense." He's a finance and business major at WVU, and scored a 1390 on his SAT. Does that sound like a "thug" to you?

You probably like Johnny Football. Oh wait, strike that, he was charged with various crimes in a racially induced fight (where h

is buddy called someone the n-word).

This is a kid that put up 400 yards against LSU last year, and his









"bad game" in the bowl was 66% completion, 2 TDS, and 0 INTS in the snow and windy conditions.

Dude..just stop.

Why are you making this racial??? It h as nothing to do with his our your ethnicity!!! STOP IT!!!

[whackojacko58]

Why are you making utilities racial??? It h as nothing to do with his our your ethnicity!!! STOP IT!!!

Umm i think he was just linking two incidents by two different people that are qbs... Not the fact there different races just that the second incident involved a racial slur due to the incident by the secound party... Dont make this more then it is

[nigeriannightmare]

Oh i dissected it.... Yea im over it next reason hes a thug? Maybe he gets plastic not paper bags at the store, he maybe dosent recycle, he takes the pennys from the gas station conter, does he not put the lid down on the toilet?

You are gonna compare a sign that young men in this country die over to the above stated opinions. Go to my profile page look at my pic. If you have the balls go to 57th and Lydia flash that sin and see what happens to you. I'd love to see a pic of you at Paul's on 55th and paseo flashing that sign. I mean its like forgetting to put a toilet seat down or recycling.

[nigeriannightmare]

Dude I'm a first generation American. Mom born and raised in Nairobi, Kenya. Dad was born and raised in Algiers, Algeria. Married in Nairobi my family lives there let him make it racial.

[nigeriannightmare]

Like you I'm not 100% sold on Geno but I do think you're making a tad to much of the gang signs thing he's 22 years old I'm 28 going to be 29 in a couple of weeks I now look at some things I did when I was around 20 and think how stupid they were. Give him a bit of slack and let him grow up a tad. And not let one moment form your opinion one someone. I'm sure you have had some moments in your life where you wouldn't want people to judge you on

You are right but in my life i was ever gonna be the number one pick of the NFL draft chosen to a lead a franchise with hundreds of thousands of fans. I in a million years could never be that person. Like most of us we just aren't those people. If this is the face of the franchise, to me, he would never ever do that. You think Peyton or Tom Brady or drew Bree's or Aaron Rodgers, who is arrogant as eff, has been caught doing that. This idiot did it in front of a hundred thousand fans.

[huskylawyer]

No I won't freaking stop. Absolutely backwards thinking. You all claim he is a football whiz and a student of the game yet a drunk fan in austin, this isn't the backyard brawl, it's Austin first year in the big 12 gets under his skin. Tough guy I will PM you a picture of a blood sign you go to my old neighborhood of 57th and Lydia in KC mo and see what happens. If he is this brilliant student who scored so well on the SAT, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to handle a drunk fan???? Really? Knock it the eff off. A blood sign is weak weak weak.

The fact that he is soo smart and did so well just makes his leadership abilities that more frustrating. Dude a leader does not do that period the end. There is no debate.

I'm still waiting for a qb that is the franchise that throws gang signs when heckled. Give me one. You can't. Leaders are leaders because they have integrity and class. THE END!

I like how the question on throwing up a sign that represents nothing but fear and hate is something you are willing to not dissect. Oh he's sooo smart oh he's a student of the game. He knowingly threw up a sign that people die over. What the eff ever!!!!

Plenty of successful QBs have reacted badly to booing fans. Phillip Rivers, Jay Cutler, it goes on and on. Aaron Rodgers is a stud, and as a grown man he's still doing the Cam Newtonesque championship belt celebration after his TDs. Annoying and childish, yes, but production matters most. Brett Favre was a complete knucklehead who made bad decisions off the field on a consistent basis, and he's a first ballot HoFer.

And he's in college for crying out loud. You are going to take a kid off your draft board because he got frustrated at a heckler at 21 years old? Umm..ok. I prefer to focus on 4200 yards passing, 71% completion percentage, 42 TDS, and 6 INTs. But hey, I'm strange like that...

[texaschief]

aaaaaaaaaaannnd the race card. Honestly, surprised it took till the 3rd page to see it played. Now let's all get guilted into drafting Geno the way the country was guilted into voting for Obama... TWICE. Gawd, this country is F@<%#&. Heaven forbid we TRY to judge a person on their merits. If Aaron Murray or Tyler Wilson (whites from the south) were throwing up their racial equivalent gang signs, I wouldn't want them either for that reason. Just because Smith is black, does NOT mean it's ok for him to be throwing gang signs or be involved in that culture in any way, shape, or form.

Stop making excuses for dumbasses who make dumbass decisions... REGARDLESS of the color of their skin.

[matthewschiefs]

You are right but in my life i was ever gonna be the number one pick of the NFL draft chosen to a lead a franchise with hundreds of thousands of fans. I in a million years could never be that person. Like most of us we just aren't those people. If this is the face of the franchise, to me, he would never ever do that. You think Peyton or Tom Brady or drew Bree's or Aaron Rodgers, who is arrogant as eff, has been caught doing that. This idiot did it in front of a hundred thousand fans.

While I agree with you that Brady.Brees,Manning would not have been caught doing it I'm sure they still did some stupid stuff. Being caught might make you a tad more stupid but It doesn't change the fact that they still did some stupid stuff. Also keep in mind that more and more as time goes by there are more and more camras so Peyon and the others listed didn't have as much of a chance to get caught doing this stuff. I understand why you don't like what he did. I just think we need more then one thing to see that says he isn't someone that you would want leading your team then 1 thing. We are all human we all F up at times. It's do you learn not to do things like that again or not.

[nigeriannightmare]

Plenty of successful QBs have reacted badly to booing fans. Phillip Rivers, Jay Cutler, it goes on and on. Aaron Rodgers is a stud, and as a grown man he's still doing the Cam Newtonesque championship belt celebration after his TDs. Annoying and childish, yes, but production matters most.

And he's in college for crying out loud. You are going to take a kid off your draft board because he got frustrated at a heckler? Umm..ok. I prefer to focus on 4200 yards passing, 71% completion percentage, 42 TDS, and 6 INTs. But hey, I'm strange like that...


And being a qb is more than that. Jamarcus russel, Ryan leaf, joe Harrington, David Carr, Ty detmer, crap Brady Quinn, Rex Grossman, plenty of qbs have great stats but true leaders succeed.

[texaschief]

Plenty of successful QBs have reacted badly to booing fans. Phillip Rivers, Jay Cutler, it goes on and on. Aaron Rodgers is a stud, and as a grown man he's still doing the Cam Newtonesque championship belt celebration after his TDs. Annoying and childish, yes, but production matters most. Brett Favre was a complete knucklehead who made bad decisions off the field on a consistent basis, and he wasn't to bad....

And he's in college for crying out loud. You are going to take a kid off your draft board because he got frustrated at a heckler? Umm..ok. I prefer to focus on 4200 yards passing, 71% completion percentage, 42 TDS, and 6 INTs. But hey, I'm strange like that...

This is the biggest B.S. number I've seen on Geno Smith. The yards you are talking about are YAC the WRs earned AFTER Geno dumped them a little WR screen or 5 yard slant. Smith's numbers are so skewed, it's downright laughable.

[texaschief]

While I agree with you that Brady.Brees,Manning would not have been caught doing it I'm sure they still did some stupid stuff. Being caught might make you a tad more stupid but It doesn't change the fact that they still did some stupid stuff. Also keep in mind that more and more as time goes by there are more and more camras so Peyon and the others listed didn't have as much of a chance to get caught doing this stuff. I understand why you don't like what he did. I just think we need more then one thing to see that says he isn't someone that you would want leading your team then 1 thing. We are all human we all F up at times. It's do you learn not to do things like that again or not.

The "bloods" gang sign is not something easily thrown in the air. It's not like the "diamond-cutter" by LJ or throwing up a "peace" sign. There's some MAJOR finger and hand contorting that needs to be shown, practiced, thought about, and then executed in order to "suddenly" throw it up in the middle of a football game. It wasn't just some "stupid mistake" by a kid. It's a practiced and fully contemplated gesture that took time and effort to achieve.

[huskylawyer]

This is the biggest B.S. number I've seen on Geno Smith. The yards you are talking about are YAC the WRs earned AFTER Geno dumped them a little WR screen or 5 yard slant. Smith's numbers are so skewed, it's downright laughable.

He is the most accurate long ball thrower in college football (and it isn't even close). He probably has more long ball TDs than anyone in college.

[nigeriannightmare]

He is the most accurate long ball thrower in college football (and it isn't even close). He probably has more long ball TDs than anyone in college.

So if he came out last year he would have gone ahead of luck and rg 3. Or is the 2012 season drastically different from the 2011 season ??

[texaschief]

He is the most accurate long ball thrower in college football (and it isn't even close). He probably has more long ball TDs than anyone in college.

show me how it's "not close."


THEN, show me his (NFL style) mid-range passing numbers and compare them to his piers.

[huskylawyer]

So if he came out last year he would have gone ahead of luck and rg 3. Or is the 2012 season drastically different from the 2011 season ??

No, and I don't even think Geno should be the #1 pick. I just take issue with you branding him as the second coming of O-Dogg because he reacted badly to a heckling fan.

BTW, is Johnny Football off your draft board when he eventually goes pro because of his incident in college? Just curious...

[matthewschiefs]

The "bloods" gang sign is not something easily thrown in the air. It's not like the "diamond-cutter" by LJ or throwing up a "peace" sign. There's some MAJOR finger and hand contorting that needs to be shown, practiced, thought about, and then executed in order to "suddenly" throw it up in the middle of a football game. It wasn't just some "stupid mistake" by a kid. It's a practiced and fully contemplated gesture that took time and effort to achieve.

Well first of all I don't have much knowledge of the gang signs thing as I have always stayed away from that kind of stuff so I'm not the best to judge I will grant

But I also no that being infront of a crowd and playing a football game can also make you get hyped up that you do things you wouldn't ever think of doing and I have personal experiance to go on. I played high school football had a teammated who was very known for being really shy and quite one game against our main rival we for some reason were actually having a good game which was rare that shy quite kid exposed himself to one of the cheerleaders from the rival team. In that atmospher sometimes being young you do STUPID stuff I understand that. Now if this is something he would do often then I would defently show some concern but as I understand it was 1 time. Unless I'm wrong there. I don't know I often work Saturday afternoons so I don't see alot of college football

[nigeriannightmare]

The "bloods" gang sign is not something easily thrown in the air. It's not like the "diamond-cutter" by LJ or throwing up a "peace" sign. There's some MAJOR finger and hand contorting that needs to be shown, practiced, thought about, and then executed in order to "suddenly" throw it up in the middle of a football game. It wasn't just some "stupid mistake" by a kid. It's a practiced and fully contemplated gesture that took time and effort to achieve.


THIS! Look at my profile pic. I'd dare say most of chiefs crowd will not be able to do it without being shown it and then practicing it.

[nigeriannightmare]

Anyone else find it funny that we are debating QBs and the commentator for the fiesta bowl is Todd Blackledge. Man the second best team in the PAC 12 is only beating the best team in big 12 by 18. The PAC 12 is no bueno. Should be 22 but they settled for a field goal.

[nigeriannightmare]

No, and I don't even think Geno should be the #1 pick. I just take issue with you branding him as the second coming of O-Dogg because he reacted badly to a heckling fan.

BTW, is Johnny Football off your draft board when he eventually goes pro because of his incident in college? Just curious...

I don't think Johnny football should have won the Heisman this year I think manti was more deserving. Secondly I don't think manziel will come out for a couple more years but do i think he's a prima Donna. So do I want him to be a chief.

[texaschief]

I don't think Johnny football should have won the Heisman this year I think manti was more deserving. Secondly I don't think manziel will come out for a couple more years but do i think he's a prima Donna. So do I want him to be a chief.

He went to school 20 minutes from San Antonio. I watched him play my high school 3 different seasons. What he did at A&M is exactly what he did at Kerrville Tivy in high school. He's only a redshirt freshman and will probably stay at A&M till after his Senior year. I don't think he'll be a high draft pick if he does go to the NFL. His size is lacking in a big way and if he starts to put on size, he'll lose a lot of his speed and quickness that he relies on. He's not a prima donna. He's young and hasn't really known what it's like not to be successful. Tivy was amazing while he was there and now A&M is seeing what he's capable of as well. I could see people comparing him to Tim Tebow when it's time for him to be drafted... but, he could also get Steve Young comparisons as well.

[fairladyZ]

I'm with nigeriannightmare on this. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race, it has everything to do with what he did. I too grew up around it and know what the blood symbol means and stands for. Players throw up hand gestures and signs all the time but the BLOOD symbol is a VERY VERY VERY Significant hand gesture with a VERY VERY VERY significant meaning behind it. THat is one symbol you don't throw up just because your pumped up or hyped up. NOBODY would get away with throwing that sign up in certain neighborhoods. You wouldn't make it 3 blocks before you got shot if you did that in certain neighborhoods. Some of the worst crime in this country has been over that symbol and the crips symbols and ways of life, Notorious BIG, Tupac are 2 prime examples of what happens when situations like the 1 geno put himself into comes up. What to say geno with his new found money and being on top of the world isn't partying in downtown KC and throws that sign because he gets all amped up over a confrontation? You guys do remember what just happened with belcher. you really think this organization needs another incident? You guys bash larry johnson for his antics, you think geno will be different? larry johnson spit in a womens face that was harassing him, but is it going to be ok when geno gets into a brawl and lord knows the outcome while he's throwing a blood symbol? The kids just got trouble written all over him

Geno get his "thug" image from that blatant idiotic gesture he did throwing that sign, and also his antics on the field and on the sideline when things aren't going his way.

[whackojacko58]

Why is it that ive never heard him called a thug except on here where our panties are in a wod? Think as much as espn loves every little story id see this idk everyday? But nope believe i havent heard any professionals say anything bout it. Raise your hand if your a pro on espn? Nfl network? Sports news magazine? No ok ill stop throw all this in the trash then

[fairladyZ]

ya cause national TV is really going to come out and address it and bring it to spotlight.

There is a REASON that every analyst says that geno is NOT worth the #1 pick.

[texaschief]

Why is it that ive never heard him called a thug except on here where our panties are in a wod? Think as much as espn loves every little story id see this idk everyday? But nope believe i havent heard any professionals say anything bout it. Raise your hand if your a pro on espn? Nfl network? Sports news magazine? No ok ill stop throw all this in the trash then

Because all ESPN and the NFL Network do is report what they saw on twitter. Plus, the national media doesn't think **** like this is bad anymore and is something that should be celebrated. Apparently, we're suppose to love black guys who do incredibly stupid **** like Chris Brown, Jamie Foxx, Kanye West, Jesse Jackson Jr., Al Sharpton, Mike Vick, and Barrack Obama. Geno Smith throwing up a "bloods" sign doesn't even REGISTER compared to what these national darlings have done. The REAL question is WHY WOULD they report on something like this?

[nigeriannightmare]

I'm with nigeriannightmare on this. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race, it has everything to do with what he did. I too grew up around it and know what the blood symbol means and stands for. Players throw up hand gestures and signs all the time but the BLOOD symbol is a VERY VERY VERY Significant hand gesture with a VERY VERY VERY significant meaning behind it. THat is one symbol you don't throw up just because your pumped up or hyped up. NOBODY would get away with throwing that sign up in certain neighborhoods. You wouldn't make it 3 blocks before you got shot if you did that in certain neighborhoods. Some of the worst crime in this country has been over that symbol and the crips symbols and ways of life, Notorious BIG, Tupac are 2 prime examples of what happens when situations like the 1 geno put himself into comes up. What to say geno with his new found money and being on top of the world isn't partying in downtown KC and throws that sign because he gets all amped up over a confrontation? You guys do remember what just happened with belcher. you really think this organization needs another incident? You guys bash larry johnson for his antics, you think geno will be different? larry johnson spit in a womens face that was harassing him, but is it going to be ok when geno gets into a brawl and lord knows the outcome while he's throwing a blood symbol? The kids just got trouble written all over him

Geno get his "thug" image from that blatant idiotic gesture he did throwing that sign, and also his antics on the field and on the sideline when things aren't going his way.

Thank you!

[nigeriannightmare]

He went to school 20 minutes from San Antonio. I watched him play my high school 3 different seasons. What he did at A&M is exactly what he did at Kerrville Tivy in high school. He's only a redshirt freshman and will probably stay at A&M till after his Senior year. I don't think he'll be a high draft pick if he does go to the NFL. His size is lacking in a big way and if he starts to put on size, he'll lose a lot of his speed and quickness that he relies on. He's not a prima donna. He's young and hasn't really known what it's like not to be successful. Tivy was amazing while he was there and now A&M is seeing what he's capable of as well. I could see people comparing him to Tim Tebow when it's time for him to be drafted... but, he could also get Steve Young comparisons as well.


The only reason i used the word prima Donna it was a nickname given to him and then that whole arrest incident. I don't know squat about him. If he weren't a prima donna, he may have gone some where outside of Texas. Lou holz said he was interested in Oregon. Damn can you imagine that team. Ill take your word on it. He is a helluva football player anyway you stretch and only played four teams that were in the top 10. His body of work warrants more success than Geno's prima Donna or not.

[matthewschiefs]

I'm with nigeriannightmare on this. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race, it has everything to do with what he did. I too grew up around it and know what the blood symbol means and stands for. Players throw up hand gestures and signs all the time but the BLOOD symbol is a VERY VERY VERY Significant hand gesture with a VERY VERY VERY significant meaning behind it. THat is one symbol you don't throw up just because your pumped up or hyped up. NOBODY would get away with throwing that sign up in certain neighborhoods. You wouldn't make it 3 blocks before you got shot if you did that in certain neighborhoods. Some of the worst crime in this country has been over that symbol and the crips symbols and ways of life, Notorious BIG, Tupac are 2 prime examples of what happens when situations like the 1 geno put himself into comes up. What to say geno with his new found money and being on top of the world isn't partying in downtown KC and throws that sign because he gets all amped up over a confrontation? You guys do remember what just happened with belcher. you really think this organization needs another incident? You guys bash larry johnson for his antics, you think geno will be different? larry johnson spit in a womens face that was harassing him, but is it going to be ok when geno gets into a brawl and lord knows the outcome while he's throwing a blood symbol? The kids just got trouble written all over him

Geno get his "thug" image from that blatant idiotic gesture he did throwing that sign, and also his antics on the field and on the sideline when things aren't going his way.

What I don't think you're considering is being "in the moment" when your in the moment that you have the juices flowing you're not thinking about everything the consequences for your actions are the last thing on your mind.It happens to High school kids around the country all the time when there playing sports. It happens to other college players yearly as well.

IMO there's a big difference from what Geno did to what LJ did. And LJ didn't just do that once. He had more then 1 issue with a woman in a nightclub amoung other things. He repeated thoses actions as far as I know Geno hasn't But As I've stated I don't watch much and I have never met the kid.

Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion

[fairladyZ]

What I don't think you're considering is being "in the moment" when your in the moment that you have the juices flowing you're not thinking about everything the consequences for your actions are the last thing on your mind.It happens to High school kids around the country all the time when there playing sports. It happens to other college players yearly as well.

IMO there's a big difference from what Geno did to what LJ did. And LJ didn't just do that once. He had more then 1 issue with a woman in a nightclub amoung other things. He repeated thoses actions as far as I know Geno hasn't But As I've stated I don't watch much and I have never met the kid.

Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion

Now i could understand being heated in the moment and doing something stupid, but throwing a blood sign in that moment goes to show it's in his mentality. If he would have snapped in the heat of the moment and thrown a water bottle into the crowd it would have been, well ok he is a hot head maybe he needs some anger management and maybe we can get him to grow up and realize that. The fact he threw a NOTORIOUS gang symbol means he's involved with it, knows what it is and what it stands for, and endorses it aswell as what it stands for. And me and any other normal, everyday hard working american that obey's the law and works our *** off to make a living that we want DO NOT condon or endorse it and i think it's down right embarrassing for him and his fans honestly.

The LJ arguement is relative cause it happened to LJ how many years after he came into the NFL and got paid? Geno's already headed down a FAR FAR FAR worse path and he's still in college, can you endorse bringing him to run your franchise knowing what me and nigeriannightmare are talking about? I guaran-fing-tee that if you knew have the history, and meaning, behind that sign he flashed you would be just as adimit about it as we are

[KristofLaw]

Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion

I'm looking at this, his character issues will come out in the interview process if they are there. There is a lot to go forward on as the draft approaches and with the pick we have our scouting team needs to do a lot of appraisal of character and skill for the positions we need. The QB position is a position we have needed for quite a long time now. Geno will be looked at, I guarantee that, but so will the other top players. I'm just saying he's gonna be looked at thoroughly and should be. Don't worry the other guys will be too.

[texaschief]

Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

Both around 6'2, 215lbs
Both throw good long balls
Both relatively mobile

Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

Stupid Me.

[rodu]

Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

Both around 6'2, 215lbs
Both throw good long balls
Both relatively mobile

Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

Stupid Me.

righty

[whackojacko58]

Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

Both around 6'2, 215lbs
Both throw good long balls
Both relatively mobile

Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

Stupid Me.

Oh i forgot about printers, i think he could of been a goid qb

[rodu]

Oh i forgot about printers, i think he could of been a goid qb

he went back to the CFL and was horrid, not making it in the NFL broke him

[KCCF]

Now i could understand being heated in the moment and doing something stupid, but throwing a blood sign in that moment goes to show it's in his mentality. If he would have snapped in the heat of the moment and thrown a water bottle into the crowd it would have been, well ok he is a hot head maybe he needs some anger management and maybe we can get him to grow up and realize that. The fact he threw a NOTORIOUS gang symbol means he's involved with it, knows what it is and what it stands for, and endorses it aswell as what it stands for. And me and any other normal, everyday hard working american that obey's the law and works our *** off to make a living that we want DO NOT condon or endorse it and i think it's down right embarrassing for him and his fans honestly.

The LJ arguement is relative cause it happened to LJ how many years after he came into the NFL and got paid? Geno's already headed down a FAR FAR FAR worse path and he's still in college, can you endorse bringing him to run your franchise knowing what me and nigeriannightmare are talking about? I guaran-fing-tee that if you knew have the history, and meaning, behind that sign he flashed you would be just as adimit about it as we are

Dang somebody call the serious police.

[Bike]

Dang somebody call the serious police.
I don't get it. You don' see the seriousness of bringing gang-flashin' thugs onto our football team?

[dbolan]

Kirk Cousins. KC.

[brdempsey69]

Kirk Cousins. KC.

Would love that. But no more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. It's said that Wash wants a 1st rounder for Cousins --- NO DICE !!

[Bike]

Would love that. But no more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. It's said that Wash wants a 1st rounder for Cousins --- NO DICE !!
I remember the last time we traded a 2nd rd pick for a backup qb.
I say draft our own.

[AkChief49]

Would love that. But no more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. It's said that Wash wants a 1st rounder for Cousins --- NO DICE !!
Exactly! Rat faceahan can take that and...well you know what he can do with that.

[N TX Dave]

Would love that. But no more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. It's said that Wash wants a 1st rounder for Cousins --- NO DICE !!

I read on nfl.com or espn.com that they wanted two first round and a mid round picks for him. Someone that they got for a 5th round pick last draft, no way.

[brdempsey69]

I remember the last time we traded a 2nd rd pick for a backup qb.
I say draft our own.

Cousins isn't the type of 'backup' QB that Matt Cassel is. Cousins has starting QB in the NFL written all over him & I've watched more than one game of his since he came to the Skins.

REMEMBER:

1) Every QB that the Chiefs have drafted since 1970 has been a bust ( which is why I believe they should double dip at the QB position in the 2013 draft -- never before have they done this ).

2) The best QB's in Chiefs history have came via trade or FA. Matt Cassel doesn't count, to me, as that was stupidity by Pioli giving him that fat contract without him proving himself in earnest. I'll take a Trent Green or a Rich Gannon anytime.


I read on nfl.com or espn.com that they wanted two first round and a mid round picks for him. Someone that they got for a 5th round pick last draft, no way.

The Skins can stick that up their a$$. That's wanting too much.

[Bike]

QB's I think we should consider:

Tyler Wilson 6-3 220
Projected 1st rd

Matt Barkley 6-2 230
Projected 1st rd

Mike Glennon 6-6 232
Projected 2nd rd

E.J Manuel 6-5 234
Projected 3rd rd

Zac Dysert 6-4 228
Projected 3rd rd

You will notice everyone here is over 6-2 220 lbs. They also all have over a 60% completion percentage. I am tired of getting ball swatted down every series. We need somebody who can see the field and is durable. I did not include Geno Smith or Tyler Bray due to character issues. I would be happy with any one of these 5 as our QB.

[tornadospotter]

Would love that. But no more than a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. It's said that Wash wants a 1st rounder for Cousins --- NO DICE !!
Give them a second round pick, and the active QB's on our roster. :smile

[brdempsey69]

Give them a second round pick, and the active QB's on our roster. :smile

Indeed !! :D


QB's I think we should consider:

Tyler Wilson 6-3 220
Projected 1st rd

Matt Barkley 6-2 230
Projected 1st rd

Mike Glennon 6-6 232
Projected 2nd rd

E.J Manuel 6-5 234
Projected 3rd rd

Zac Dysert 6-4 228
Projected 3rd rd



Wilson may be a guy that they could possibly trade down and still pick up & he might be a great fit for Andy Reid. Not knocking Geno Smith, just simply throwing that out as a possibility. And I'd like one of those other guys you listed in the later rounds.

[AkChief49]

QB's I think we should consider:

Tyler Wilson 6-3 220
Projected 1st rd

Matt Barkley 6-2 230
Projected 1st rd

Mike Glennon 6-6 232
Projected 2nd rd

E.J Manuel 6-5 234
Projected 3rd rd

Zac Dysert 6-4 228
Projected 3rd rd

You will notice everyone here is over 6-2 220 lbs. They also all have over a 60% completion percentage. I am tired of getting ball swatted down every series. We need somebody who can see the field and is durable. I did not include Geno Smith or Tyler Bray due to character issues. I would be happy with any one of these 5 as our QB.
Our 1st and 2nd picks!!

[fairladyZ]

QB's I think we should consider:

Tyler Wilson 6-3 220
Projected 1st rd
YES but i believe will be gone in top 10

Matt Barkley 6-2 230
Projected 1st rd
YES but he's listed at 6'2 and everyone believes he'll come in around 6'1 maybe a hair under.

Mike Glennon 6-6 232
Projected 2nd rd
Hell No maybe as a developmental QB in the 3rd or later

E.J Manuel 6-5 234
Projected 3rd rd

don't know much about him but from what i did see later rounds

Zac Dysert 6-4 228
Projected 3rd rd

Don't know anything

You will notice everyone here is over 6-2 220 lbs. They also all have over a 60% completion percentage. I am tired of getting ball swatted down every series. We need somebody who can see the field and is durable. I did not include Geno Smith or Tyler Bray due to character issues. I would be happy with any one of these 5 as our QB.

there's my take on your list.

[Bike]

there's my take on your list.
If Wilson gone in the top 10 then maybe we take him with the 1st overall pick...

[fairladyZ]

the only 2 things i don't like about wilson is his throwing motion/wind up. And his concussion history. Other than that the kid is a stud. And if he shines in all pre-draft fields and we can coach him up a little bit then i' ok with taking him #1 for sure.

[Chiefs fanatic]

I'd be willing to give up the top pick for Cousins if we believe he is better than any of the QBs in the draft. Strong QB play is imperative for Reid's system so if Cousins is our best option we should go after him.

[brdempsey69]

I'd be willing to give up the top pick for Cousins if we believe he is better than any of the QBs in the draft. Strong QB play is imperative for Reid's system so if Cousins is our best option we should go after him.

Sorry, but the cost there is too high. 2nd round pick (#34, overall ) is what I would offer the Skins for Cousins -- no more. They'll eventually lose him to FA, anyway if RG III stays healthy.

[sling58]

We still have the Combine to see how they really perform to the group. I would like to see Aaron Murray declare first before I make a judgement.

[texaschief]

When do I get my plaque with my 3000th post? :lol:

It was probably some BS post like, "yeah, I think Pioli sucks too..."

[Chiefs fanatic]

Sorry, but the cost there is too high. 2nd round pick (#34, overall ) is what I would offer the Skins for Cousins -- no more. They'll eventually lose him to FA, anyway if RG III stays healthy.
I wouldn't trade our number 1 pick straight up for him but I'd be willing to part with it if we believe Cousins is the guy. In any case, I think we need to make QB our top priority even if that requires us to give up a lot in a trade or make a reach on a draft pick.

[Ryfo18]

I like what draft guru @ryanlownes says:

"Geno Smith shows anticipation deep, accuracy &amp; velocity in short-intermediate range, and poise in the pocket. That's a lot to work with."

"Is he Andrew Luck or RGIII? No, but once upon a time Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers were seen as incomplete prospects with 1st Rd promise."

[nigeriannightmare]

I like what draft guru @ryanlownes says:

"Geno Smith shows anticipation deep, accuracy &amp; velocity in short-intermediate range, and poise in the pocket. That's a lot to work with."

"Is he Andrew Luck or RGIII? No, but once upon a time Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers were seen as incomplete prospects with 1st Rd promise."

One it needs to stop. If we take a qb with the number one overall pick that means this person is it, THE LEADER OF OUR FRANCHISE! There were warnings with the Jamarcus russels of the draft. Hints that they may not be able to be th guy that were ignored because the QB is the most valued position and they were overlooked because hey they had the talent. Being THE GUY isn't talent alone. I'm sorry that I can't stress this enough.

However immature it was. The mere fact that Geno smith so easily threw up a hand sign that young men his very age die over should be enough. It is not the action of a true leader it is the action of a coward. Jamarcus russel had all the tools also and people were in love with his physical potential but the signs were there. If a drunk fan in Austin Texas can get that kind of rise out of a kid that was a Heisman hopeful so he knew exactly that image means everything can do what he did I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you don't understand the importance of that gesture. Ryfo i respect your opinion and love to read your analysis and thoughts. You are flat out wrong here. The blood gangs sign represents nothing but hate and fear. Young men lose there life over it. I have seen it personally and it is something that can not be tossed aside lightly.


And how many seasons did Aaron rodger sit on the bench and no offense Matt Ryan this far has choked when it counts the most. Geno will not have this luxury he will be expected to be the guy.

[jap1]

Sorry, but the cost there is too high. 2nd round pick (#34, overall ) is what I would offer the Skins for Cousins -- no more. They'll eventually lose him to FA, anyway if RG III stays healthy.

Just throwing out ideas. What about next years 1st? Hopefully it will AT LEAST be a mid round pick.

What about a conditional pick for Cousins? If he doesnt start x number of games, they get next years 2nd round pick, if he does start more than that, they get next years 1st round pick instead.

What about a similar deal (maybe a lesser offer, though) for Flynn?

[texaschief]

Just throwing out ideas. What about next years 1st? Hopefully it will AT LEAST be a mid round pick.

What about a conditional pick for Cousins? If he doesnt start x number of games, they get next years 2nd round pick, if he does start more than that, they get next years 1st round pick instead.

What about a similar deal (maybe a lesser offer, though) for Flynn?


Guys! Kirk Cousins???? REALLY??? He's given us LESS of a sample size than Matt Cassel. Cousins came in for what, A game and performed above expectations... sound like any Matt Flynns you might know? Cousins was a 5th round pick for a reason. He's NOT Tom Brady, y'all. The offseason hasn't even started yet and y'all wanna pay a 1st round pick for this guy?

Someone at LEAST throw up an evaluation and explain why he's even REMOTELY worth MORE than the 5th rounder Washington payed for him last year. If we're giving up high draft picks for a player from last year's draft, I'd want the kid in Denver who sat behind Peyton... not the kid who sat behind a rookie QB who possesses a completely different skill-set.

[nigeriannightmare]

Guys! Kirk Cousins???? REALLY??? He's given us LESS of a sample size than Matt Cassel. Cousins came in for what, A game and performed above expectations... sound like any Matt Flynns you might know? Cousins was a 5th round pick for a reason. He's NOT Tom Brady, y'all. The offseason hasn't even started yet and y'all wanna pay a 1st round pick for this guy?

Someone at LEAST throw up an evaluation and explain why he's even REMOTELY worth MORE than the 5th rounder Washington payed for him last year. If we're giving up high draft picks for a player from last year's draft, I'd want the kid in Denver who sat behind Peyton... not the kid who sat behind a rookie QB who possesses a completely different skill-set.



The sample size is small but to come in the final seconds of a game when you have to get a TD and a 2 pt conversion is clutch. To start a game Washington HAD to win and play extremely well is also clutch. Now I'm not saying trade for a first but he obviously has talent. If we were to trade down a few spots pick up an extra second rounder I have no problem trading one for him.

[KristofLaw]

The sample size is small but to come in the final seconds of a game when you have to get a TD and a 2 pt conversion is clutch. To start a game Washington HAD to win and play extremely well is also clutch. Now I'm not saying trade for a first but he obviously has talent. If we were to trade down a few spots pick up an extra second rounder I have no problem trading one for him.

Sure but I'm sure similar has been done before and turned out to be the highlight of a career. I like the idea of Cousins myself as well but a first is definitely reaching unless our staff has seen something which shows he absolutely deserves that much in trade. In fact I think a second is reaching too at this point, definitely this years second.

[DMN]

I have to agree with Texas on this one. Cousins is not worth near what is being talked about we should give for him. What if all anyone had on Brady Quinn was his game against the Panthers this year? what would he be worth?

Its all system and Washington has a damn good one. Case and point with pulling a QB from a successful system. Cassel - enough said, Kolb - even worse because they gave up more, Flynn - pretty sure he is a 3rd stringer now with a 3rd round rookie starting.

[Ryfo18]

People don't want to over pay for a QB in the 1st round, but they'll overpay for a guy like Cousins who is one year removed from being a 4th round pick?

This would be silly. He played 1 game well against a team that had no tape of him. I agree with TexasChief...silly idea.

[brdempsey69]

Guys! Kirk Cousins???? REALLY??? He's given us LESS of a sample size than Matt Cassel. Cousins came in for what, A game and performed above expectations... sound like any Matt Flynns you might know? Cousins was a 5th round pick for a reason. He's NOT Tom Brady, y'all. The offseason hasn't even started yet and y'all wanna pay a 1st round pick for this guy?

Someone at LEAST throw up an evaluation and explain why he's even REMOTELY worth MORE than the 5th rounder Washington payed for him last year. If we're giving up high draft picks for a player from last year's draft, I'd want the kid in Denver who sat behind Peyton... not the kid who sat behind a rookie QB who possesses a completely different skill-set.

First off, Cousins was NOT a 5th round pick. He was taken at the top of the 4th round & there's no way he should have fallen that far.

Secondly, I never suggested a 1st round pick. I said a 2nd round pick (#34 overall ), which they may use to take a QB at that spot anyway. Cousins would be a better value for that pick than anybody they can draft there & certainly has as much talent, plus some NFL seasoning to boot.

The comparisons to Cassel, Flynn, etc. are pure BS. This guy can play in the NFL as a full-time starter. I watched him in the pre-season and when he filled in for RG III in the regular season. He led the game winning drive the week before his first full-game start in Cleveland. Without him, the Skins don't make the playoffs. He clearly has Rich Gannon type ability, and who wouldn't want that type of QB in a Chiefs uniform?

Doesn't make any difference who he played behind. Curtis Painter sat behind Manning in Indy for several seasons & where is he now?

My point is, Cousins should have been drafted by Denver as Mannings understudy, not Osweiler. Cousins was the better prospect coming out. The Donks were enamored with Osweiler's size, and took him, but Cousins was the better football player. The Skins were in disbelief when Cousins was still on the board at the top of the 4th round ( they didn't have a 2nd or 3rd round choice due to the RG III trade ).


The sample size is small but to come in the final seconds of a game when you have to get a TD and a 2 pt conversion is clutch. To start a game Washington HAD to win and play extremely well is also clutch. Now I'm not saying trade for a first but he obviously has talent. If we were to trade down a few spots pick up an extra second rounder I have no problem trading one for him.

This is precisely why I've been saying a 2nd round pick in exchange for Cousins -- NO MORE !! That is a fair offer to the Skins as Cousins will eventually play out his rookie contract & sign elsewhere. And the Chiefs would only have to pick up Cousins rookie contract & if he proves to be the guy, then you pay him the big dollars. Not hand him a big contract right off like Pigoli did with Cassel.

[N TX Dave]

BRD - You are correct he was the 7th pick in the 4th round, the 102nd pick of the draft. You are also correct he would be better than a QB with the 34th pick in this draft maybe even better than any QB in this draft period, at least he was able to play one game in the NFL where no QB in this draft my ever be able to do, we just do not know. There is no way in he11 we should give up what they are asking for him.

FOURTH-ROUND SELECTIONS
1. (96) St. Louis: Chris Givens, Wake Forest WR
2. (97) Miami (from Indianapolis, via San Francisico): Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.) RB
3. (98) Baltimore (from Minnesota): Gino Gradkowski, Delaware G
4. (99) Houston (from Tampa Bay, via Philadelphia): Ben Jones, Georgia C
5. (100) Cleveland: Travis Benjamin, Miami (Fla.) WR
6. (101) Denver (from Jacksonville): Omar Bolden, Arizona State CB
7. (102) Washington: Kirk Cousins, Michigan State QB

[Eydugstr]

The more clips I've seen of Tyler Wilson, the more I like him over Geno. Throws very accurate under pressure, and has quick feet if needed.

Tyler Wilson vs LSU 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6PI0L7-xnk)

I say pick Tyler over Geno or Barkley at this point. Mainly because of Tyler's ability to get himself out of trouble, which is bound to happen with a team trying to adjust to a new coach.

If Nassib falls to the second round, snag him, too. It fits with what Reid's done in Philly, he always tried to keep depth at QB.

[brdempsey69]

BRD - You are correct he was the 7th pick in the 4th round, the 102nd pick of the draft. You are also correct he would be better than a QB with the 34th pick in this draft maybe even better than any QB in this draft period, at least he was able to play one game in the NFL where no QB in this draft my ever be able to do, we just do not know. There is no way in he11 we should give up what they are asking for him.

FOURTH-ROUND SELECTIONS
1. (96) St. Louis: Chris Givens, Wake Forest WR
2. (97) Miami (from Indianapolis, via San Francisico): Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.) RB
3. (98) Baltimore (from Minnesota): Gino Gradkowski, Delaware G
4. (99) Houston (from Tampa Bay, via Philadelphia): Ben Jones, Georgia C
5. (100) Cleveland: Travis Benjamin, Miami (Fla.) WR
6. (101) Denver (from Jacksonville): Omar Bolden, Arizona State CB
7. (102) Washington: Kirk Cousins, Michigan State QB

That's right. We should not give up what they are asking for him. But, the Skins aren't going to part with Cousins with any time soon, regardless, because RG III is so injury prone. I believe after today's game against Seattle, one can scratch any hope of the Skins letting Cousins go. They think he's too valuable to them, and they are right.

Eydugstr is right about Tyler Wilson. He is a very good QB prospect. Big question is where will teams have him rated come draft day in April. It is known that Wilson was a victim of circumstance in 2012 through no fault of his own & still put up decent numbers.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Bike]

The more clips I've seen of Tyler Wilson, the more I like him over Geno. Throws very accurate under pressure, and has quick feet if needed.

Tyler Wilson vs LSU 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6PI0L7-xnk)

I say pick Tyler over Geno or Barkley at this point. Mainly because of Tyler's ability to get himself out of trouble, which is bound to happen with a team trying to adjust to a new coach.

If Nassib falls to the second round, snag him, too. It fits with what Reid's done in Philly, he always tried to keep depth at QB.
Buffalo just hired Syracuse's head coach. I bet I can guess where Nassib ends up.

[Bike]

That's right. We should not give up what they are asking for him. But, the Skins aren't going to part with Cousins with any time soon, regardless, because RG III is so injury prone. I believe after today's game against Seattle, one can scratch any hope of the Skins letting Cousins go. They think he's too valuable to them, and they are right.

Eydugstr is right about Tyler Wilson. He is a very good QB prospect. Big question is where will teams have him rated come draft day in April. It is known that Wilson was a victim of circumstance in 2012 through no fault of his own & still put up decent numbers.

We'll see how it plays out.
If Reid thinks he could be our QB - don't play games. He'd be worth the reach considering our dire situation.

[brdempsey69]

If Reid thinks he could be our QB - don't play games. He'd be worth the reach considering our dire situation.

I agree. Look at the Sam Bradford scenario back in 2010. He missed most of his college season in 2009, but rocketed to the top of the draft board come April of 2010. St. Louis has no regrets about taking him at #1 overall.

If you need it, you draft it, and like you said the Chiefs QB situation is insanely dire.

And what I liked in the vid posted by Eydugstr, is Wilson's pocket presence. He shows great poise and awareness. And he can throw that football better than anybody the Chiefs have right now -- it's not even close.

[Eydugstr]

If Reid thinks he could be our QB - don't play games. He'd be worth the reach considering our dire situation.

I'm hoping that Reid & the new GM don't get cute and try trading down, only to watch every qb prospect go to someone else. That would really put us in a bind.

Yeah, Nassib's probably going to the Bills. Fans there don't seem to be too happy with Fitzgerald, so it makes sense that it'd happen. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'd still like to see KC make a serious effort at solving it's problems by drafting more than one guy to fill its needs.

[brdempsey69]

I'm hoping that Reid & the new GM don't get cute and try trading down, only to watch every qb prospect go to someone else. That would really put us in a bind.

Yeah, Nassib's probably going to the Bills. Fans there don't seem to be too happy with Fitzgerald, so it makes sense that it'd happen. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'd still like to see KC make a serious effort at solving it's problems by drafting more than one guy to fill its needs.

Exactly what I've been suggesting. Double-dip at the QB position in the draft this coming April. Never before have they done this that I'm aware of & now is the perfect time.

Not saying that they may not have other needs, but QB is the biggest one. Fix that first.

Thanks for the vid of Tyler Wilson, BTW. He very well could rise up the Chiefs draft board.

[chiefnut]

We still have enough needS to take the best player at #1 and 2QBs w/next 2 picks

[Bike]

Geno Smith to the raiders. His blood sign throwin', middle finger flippin', gang thug spewing mouth should fit right in there. Why anybody in the Chiefs Kingdom would want to bring ANYBODY into this organization that supports drugs, gang violence, and murder is beyond my comprehension.

[nigeriannightmare]

Geno Smith to the raiders. His blood sign throwin', middle finger flippin', gang thug spewing mouth should fit right in there. Why anybody in the Chiefs Kingdom would want to bring ANYBODY into this organization that supports drugs, gang violence, and murder is beyond my comprehension.

But he's the best qb in this draft.....end sarcasm!

[brdempsey69]

We still have enough needS to take the best player at #1 and 2QBs w/next 2 picks

That 'best' player has said to be the LT Luke Joeckel. It could happen. We'll see.

[Ryfo18]

Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.

[Ryfo18]

"On November 21, 2008, Newton was arrested for the theft of a laptop computer from another University of Florida student. He was subsequently suspended from the team after the laptop was found to be in his possession.[10] Campus police "tracked the stolen laptop to the athlete...Newton tossed the computer out his dorm window in a humorously ill-advised attempt to hide it from cops."[11] All charges against Newton were dropped after he completed a court-approved pre-trial diversion program. "I believe that a person should not be thought of as a bad person because of some senseless mistake that they made," said Newton in 2010. "I think every person should have a second chance. If they blow that second chance, so be it for them."[12] Newton announced his intention to transfer from Florida three days before the Gators' national championship win over Oklahoma.[8]" - Cam Newton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Newton#University_of_Florida)

Obviously this is evidence of the kind of person Cam Newton has turned out to be, eh? He definitely shouldn't have gone first overall...

Again, any isolated incidents of Geno Smith being arrested or having trouble w/ the law? For a gang banger, I'm sure there are tons of examples.

[Ryfo18]

Now accepting any and all evidence that shows that Geno Smith is indeed involved in a gang.

Not like the Chiefs wouldn't interview him as well as character witnesses before they took him 1st overall. I'm sure they are just to also be under the assumption that Geno is in fact a gang banger b/c he flashed a gang sign.

Y'all are fools.

[brdempsey69]

Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.

I agree. People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Once he meets with NFL people & they tell him "quit that", I doubt it'll be an issue, ever again.

It's what Andy Reid thinks of him come draft day that counts. Just about every draft board out there has Geno rated in the top 15 as far as BPA, and QB's always shoot up the board come draft day. If Geno is the guy that they want, then I don't believe they can risk moving down. Jacksonville might very well like Geno well enough to take him at #2.

No question that Geno is the top rated QB at this point, but I'm keeping an open mind to Tyler Wilson as well. Wilson might be the better pro than Smith when it's all said & done.

[nigeriannightmare]

Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.



You are showing ignorance of the "isolated" incident. Kids die every day over that sign dude. They get shot. They don't get oh he being heckled, they get shot. Seen it happen, have you. You sit in suburbia or away from this scene and act as if it was just an incident. Had Geno flipped the bird or mooned the texas fans it would be different.

If this sign is relatively meaningless to you and those that say its just an incident. Then to flash it in a low income neighborhood. i know for a fact you won't have the balls to go throw it a neighborhood where people know that sign. Come on its just a sign and he only threw it once and if you believe that I have some magic beans for sale.

Go to my profile page there is a pic, top right corner. If you can figure it out go flash and tell the people that take offense to it you flashing it was a "one time incident"

This is exactly what's wrong with this country. You are defending someone who did something and represents something that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men. How in the hell did he learn it then? I know who taught me and I wouldn't flash that sign for a thousand dollars in a public place .

[Eydugstr]

Exactly what I've been suggesting. Double-dip at the QB position in the draft this coming April. Never before have they done this that I'm aware of & now is the perfect time.

Not saying that they may not have other needs, but QB is the biggest one. Fix that first.

Thanks for the vid of Tyler Wilson, BTW. He very well could rise up the Chiefs draft board.

YW, No prob. In the day & age of youtube there's no excuse for picking somebody because of mock draft hype or school.

Wilson looks like he'd be a good fit for KC. His style of play looks like he can improvise and think on his feet when things break down. But I guess the next big question would be, is he a Reid type of qb?

[Ryfo18]

You are showing ignorance of the "isolated" incident. Kids die every day over that sign dude. They get shot. They don't get oh he being heckled, they get shot. Seen it happen, have you. You sit in suburbia or away from this scene and act as if it was just an incident. Had Geno flipped the bird or mooned the texas fans it would be different.

If this sign is relatively meaningless to you and those that say its just an incident. Then to flash it in a low income neighborhood. i know for a fact you won't have the balls to go throw it a neighborhood where people know that sign. Come on its just a sign and he only threw it once and if you believe that I have some magic beans for sale.

Go to my profile page there is a pic, top right corner. If you can figure it out go flash and tell the people that take offense to it you flashing it was a "one time incident"

This is exactly what's wrong with this country. You are defending someone who did something and represents something that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men. How in the hell did he learn it then? I know who taught me and I wouldn't flash that sign for a thousand dollars in a public place .

All I'm asking is for proof that him flashing that sign makes him a gang member. Am I to believe you? Or the many people surrounding Geno that will back up his work ethic/character and the fact that he's never had a run in with the law?

What it boils down to is you having one thing to pick on. The guy made a mistake, and by all means it will mean that teams do extra homework on him. If nothing turns up, then I don't see it as any reason at all not to take him at #1 overall. You want to crucify the guy over flashing a gang sign to 1000 relentless heckling fans. As long as the Chiefs do their homework and have no reason to believe he's a high risk for bad behavior (and again, him never getting in trouble w/ the law would also indicate this), then it's nothing.

[fairladyZ]

All I'm asking is for proof that him flashing that sign makes him a gang member. Am I to believe you? Or the many people surrounding Geno that will back up his work ethic/character and the fact that he's never had a run in with the law?

What it boils down to is you having one thing to pick on. The guy made a mistake, and by all means it will mean that teams do extra homework on him. If nothing turns up, then I don't see it as any reason at all not to take him at #1 overall. You want to crucify the guy over flashing a gang sign to 1000 relentless heckling fans. As long as the Chiefs do their homework and have no reason to believe he's a high risk for bad behavior (and again, him never getting in trouble w/ the law would also indicate this), then it's nothing.

We as normal citizens don't have proof other than what he's showed us in that 1 time event. Could there be more once teams start digging deeper? maybe, maybe not. Does it mean he's involved with a gang? Again maybe, maybe not. Come the background and interviews that will be determined later. But the issue that I have with it is you can throw up any sign, hell any other gang sign, any other area code or county sign that people have. but the BLOOD sign is big dude, i can't even explain how big it is to throw that sign. I'm trying to think of an example, Say for instance we have our military salute, and other countries have theirs, but then you have the nazi salute. Which everyone knows what it means and what it stands for, the bloods sign to me would be on that level of seriousness. Now if we do our homework on him, he passes with flying colors, and he grows up and shows that he can grow up and we determine he is the guy, then fine lets take him, but i want every rock uncovered before we do.

As far as your comparison with cam newton, that kid was a punk all thru college, cheating, getting paid, and still being a punk in NFL throwing team and others under the bus and not being a leader at all. DO NOT WANT, i've never liked cam newton always thought of him as a selfish prick. And so far he's not doing anything to prove me otherwise. Can he get straightened out? maybe but would i want my team to take that risk? nope

[Ryfo18]

We as normal citizens don't have proof other than what he's showed us in that 1 time event. Could there be more once teams start digging deeper? maybe, maybe not. Does it mean he's involved with a gang? Again maybe, maybe not. Come the background and interviews that will be determined later.

And this is all I'm trying to say.

[fairladyZ]

i never once said he IS involved with a gang, all i've said is he has that thug attitude and threw up a gang sign that has troubled this country for how many years? how many people have died for and because of that gang sign? how much drugs corruption and murder is responsible for that sign? It's bad man it's really really really bad and dumb sign to throw, and you dont' just throw it because your wound up. Anybody that has a clue about that sign would NEVER throw it up publicly without either A) being stupid as **** or B) being tied up in it.

[Bike]

A person doesn't have to BE a gang member to support their cause. Throwing up the blood sign tells me that Geno - at a bare minimum - supports the Bloods.

[Ryfo18]

I've said my peace in this thread...Go ahead w/ your unproven allegations.

[Bike]

All the proof you need can be found on youtube.

[Chiefs fanatic]

A person doesn't have to BE a gang member to support their cause. Throwing up the blood sign tells me that Geno - at a bare minimum - supports the Bloods.
That's the equivalent of saying that anyone who has ever displayed a confederate flag supports slavery. Without further context to this incident, I don't believe you can conclude that it was anything more than an inflammatory gesture towards a bunch of heckling fans.

[Bike]

I give up. It's a lost cause.

[nigeriannightmare]

I give up. It's a lost cause.

It's funny how they all say its unproven a one time incident yadda yadda yadda. Yet not a single one of these would have the stones to throw up this sign. Geno did it with security, a gate and his teammates to protect. Straight up pu**y move. You guys defending him say its a sign that basically has no relevance then go freaking do it without having the protection Geno had that day. Straight up laughable and cowardly. In fact ill take any one of you to my old neighborhood to show how wrong you are.

The 55 street crips might let you live after making you piss your pants.

[matthewschiefs]

The question I have for all you talking about this "gang signs" being a big issue is this. Did he repeat this action? He's 22 years old he's a kid he made a mistake we all do. But if he learned from this mistake then we shouldn't put to much into it. It's going to take more then 1 thing for me to say we should ignore him

[Lord-Chiefy]

Aside from possibly being a murderer gang banger geno isn't a real qb.. he's a wanna be like rg3 newton Tebow Vick and any many other rb/wanna be... always hurt pos's.

[Bike]

The question I have for all you talking about this "gang signs" being a big issue is this. Did he repeat this action? He's 22 years old he's a kid he made a mistake we all do. But if he learned from this mistake then we shouldn't put to much into it. It's going to take more then 1 thing for me to say we should ignore him
It has to do with character. Smith aint got any. And 12 is a kid - 22 is not. All You Geno Smith apologists will surely be disappointed when Reid doesn't select a low/no character guy as his first pick.

[KCCF]

It has to do with character. Smith aint got any. And 12 is a kid - 22 is not. All You Geno Smith apologists will surely be disappointed when Reid doesn't select a low/no character guy as his first pick.

How old are you? This isn't 1945 anymore bud. Stop getting so offended at a 22 year olds mistake lol

[chiefnut]

i wouldn't know a gang sign from stop sign. what does it mean when hold two fingers apart sideways??

[nigeriannightmare]

i wouldn't know a gang sign from stop sign. what does it mean when hold two fingers apart sideways??

The sign geno flashed I believe is a Ck or crip killer a blood sign.

[whackojacko58]

Still think geno will stand apart at his pro day and combine, hell interview with reid and if he dosent stumble he will be in the red and yellow next year, BUT if we take joeckel the ot with our 1st then we will trade back in for a qb dk who

[brdempsey69]

Still think geno will stand apart at his pro day and combine, hell interview with reid and if he dosent stumble he will be in the red and yellow next year, BUT if we take joeckel the ot with our 1st then we will trade back in for a qb dk who

That's assuming Joeckel comes out. He hasn't declared, yet, and has very much hinted at staying at Texas A & M for another year.

[whackojacko58]

In that case resign albert franchise bowe (hope he resigns if he meets reid) then draft geno, followed by free agent meetings with a cb and a couple wrs, draft mlb and safety depth

[Lord-Chiefy]

Joeckel would help cassell

[whackojacko58]

Joeckel would help cassell

Nonono our qb will NOT be cassel hes made out like a bandit with that contract hes gotta go now

[AkChief49]

That's assuming Joeckel comes out. He hasn't declared, yet, and has very much hinted at staying at Texas A & M for another year.

Looks like he 's coming to the NFL

Potential top pick Luke Joeckel enters NFL draft | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/potential-top-pick-luke-joeckel-enters-nfl-draft/)

[brdempsey69]

Looks like he 's coming to the NFL

Potential top pick Luke Joeckel enters NFL draft | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/potential-top-pick-luke-joeckel-enters-nfl-draft/)


Thanks for the link. It doesn't surprise me, as he's being regarded as a top 5 pick & it wouldn't make sense to go back for his senior year and jeopardize that.

He will be somebody that the Chiefs consider. Nothing is etched in stone regarding Albert & he's never been an anchor at LT, anyway. Whatever offer the Chiefs make Albert, he'd better take it. No team out there is going to offer top LT money to a guy with back problems like he had in the 2nd half of the season.

Of course, there may be a team that wants to trade into the Chiefs #1 spot and take Joeckel & then they may be able to move down and get a QB. It depends on Donald Stephenson's development as well.

CBS sports has confirmed Joeckel going pro as well.

2013 NFL Draft: Aggie LT Joeckel to enter NFL Draft - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/rob-rang/21516437/2013-nfl-draft-aggie-lt-joeckel-to-enter-nfl-draft)

This is going to get interesting.

[N TX Dave]

Good that is what we want to hear. The more top 5 draft pick declare the more teams want the #1 pick so the easier to trade.

[DMN]

Let's not forget that Reid brought in vick.... and I am not sure there is a bigger POS than him in the NFL right now. So I am not confident that Reid will let character issues effect his draft decision too much...

And the fact that some of you are criticizing those who question smiths character after this are simply off base.
Without a coach in his ear or a camera on him (or so he thought) this is how he acted. It is reason for concern.
Again I ask.... If you were hiring smith for millions of dollars, and in his first interview he said everything you wanted to hear, and then after you saw him on the street flashing gang signs that you would't have concern....

But ultimately I think smiths play has worked him out of the first pick overall. he fell off the last half of the season. And he looked bad against syracuse... and I know the weather was bad... But last time I checked a QB will catch some bad weather on the way to the super bowl.

[Three7s]

Let's not forget that Reid brought in vick.... and I am not sure there is a bigger POS than him in the NFL right now. So I am not confident that Reid will let character issues effect his draft decision too much...

And the fact that some of you are criticizing those who question smiths character after this are simply off base.
Without a coach in his ear or a camera on him (or so he thought) this is how he acted. It is reason for concern.
Again I ask.... If you were hiring smith for millions of dollars, and in his first interview he said everything you wanted to hear, and then after you saw him on the street flashing gang signs that you would't have concern....

But ultimately I think smiths play has worked him out of the first pick overall. he fell off the last half of the season. And he looked bad against syracuse... and I know the weather was bad... But last time I checked a QB will catch some bad weather on the way to the super bowl.
I think you need to realize that this is the NFL. Coaches will let a couple of bad decisions slide if the talent outweighs the bad decision. And, yeah yeah, he "dropped" off in the 2nd half. If his second half stats are "dropping" off, then sign me up, because Cassel couldn't do that even if the defense wasn't on the field.

[milkman]

You people are a bunch of ****ing morons.

[KCCF]

You people are a bunch of ****ing morons.

That's how I feel. People keep saying "throwing gang signs around"...he did it once. Get off the kids jock lmao. He's not getting banned from the nfl so get used to seeing him around.

[MissingTBone]

Well both Geno, and Barkley say they aren't playing or participating in the senior bowl. Sounds like they both know their stick has dropped and they don't want to chance it dropping farther. I know it happens a lot but I would feel really reserved about drafting a qb who is more worried about their stock dropping than feeling they could perform at a high level. I wouldn't take either I them at number one, that's for sure.

[DMN]

You people are a bunch of ****ing morons.

Constructive! Its brilliant minds like yours that make this a top notch forum... I tell you what milkman. You tell me what to think about this topic and I will jump on board. That will be more fun right?

:lamende:

[N TX Dave]

Well both Geno, and Barkley say they aren't playing or participating in the senior bowl. Sounds like they both know their stick has dropped and they don't want to chance it dropping farther. I know it happens a lot but I would feel really reserved about drafting a qb who is more worried about their stock dropping than feeling they could perform at a high level. I wouldn't take either I them at number one, that's for sure.

I agree some in here have a man crush on Geno and will not be happy no matter what happens unless we get him. If we traded our #1 pick for Eli Manning they would complain, they want him no matter what.

He is an intriguing player to say the least but I am not anyone's band wagon yet lets get through all the workouts and interviews before we get tied down to anyone.

Hunt brought in Reid because he is good with QBs, lets leave this up to him, if he likes Geno and drafts him #1 I am fine with that conversely if he doesn't like him and does not draft him I am fine with that also.

[brdempsey69]

I agree some in here have a man crush on Geno and will not be happy no matter what happens unless we get him. If we traded our #1 pick for Eli Manning they would complain, they want him no matter what.

He is an intriguing player to say the least but I am not anyone's band wagon yet lets get through all the workouts and interviews before we get tied down to anyone.

Hunt brought in Reid because he is good with QBs, lets leave this up to him, if he likes Geno and drafts him #1 I am fine with that conversely if he doesn't like him and does not draft him I am fine with that also.

Personally, I have no problem with them taking Geno or trading down a few slots & taking Tyler Wilson.

Geno may be the best fit for Andy Reid's offense by the time the combine and personal workouts are done.

One has to remember that Reid drafted McNabb at #2 in 1999 & Geno does have a very similar skillset & many think Geno is the better passer than what McNabb was.

Tyler Wilson is also a very good prospect that simply cannot be ignored because of his mental toughness, pocket presence and poise, and he can throw the short and medium distance passes with pinpoint accurracy.

The gap between Wilson and Smith is not astronomical, so if one is considering Geno Smith, I do not know how you can't consider Tyler Wilson.

My point is those that have the Geno man-crush, should open their minds to Tyler Wilson as well.

[nigeriannightmare]

Well kiss any talk of trading for Kirk cousins. Washington would be monumentally stupid to trade him now. RG 3 completely tore his ACL. I blame that coaching staff. He was limping around badly after that first quarter.

So yep it's Geno or Tyler Wilson. I hope one of them just doninates at the combine and their pro day.

[brdempsey69]

Well kiss any talk of trading for Kirk cousins. Washington would be monumentally stupid to trade him now. RG 3 completely tore his ACL. I blame that coaching staff. He was limping around badly after that first quarter.

So yep it's Geno or Tyler Wilson. I hope one of them just doninates at the combine and their pro day.


That's right. The Skins think Cousins is too valuable, and they are right.

The Senior Bowl is going to be interesting. I'm hoping that Tyler Wilson and Mike Glennon turn in stellar performance there and at the combine. The more quality QB prospects that rocket up the draft board, the better.

[N TX Dave]

That's right. The Skins think Cousins is too valuable, and they are right.

The Senior Bowl is going to be interesting. I'm hoping that Tyler Wilson and Mike Glennon turn in stellar performance there and at the combine. The more quality QB prospects that rocket up the draft board, the better.

Yes with the top two QB prospects (Geno and Barkley) bypassing the senior bowl that leaves the door open for the next inline prospects to move up to 1 and 2.

I just want us to get some QBs this off season. Does anyone know of any good QB in next years draft just in case we do not get a QBOTF this year? Even if we take Geno and another QB in this draft they may prove to be no better than Stanzi. I really don't follow which college QB is in what class. The only one I know is Johnny Football is a Freshman and right now I do not know how good of an NFL QB he will be in the bowl game he had almost as many rushing as passing yards 229 and 287. I don't think he can declare next year don't you have to be a Junior?

[Three7s]

I agree some in here have a man crush on Geno and will not be happy no matter what happens unless we get him. If we traded our #1 pick for Eli Manning they would complain, they want him no matter what.

He is an intriguing player to say the least but I am not anyone's band wagon yet lets get through all the workouts and interviews before we get tied down to anyone.

Hunt brought in Reid because he is good with QBs, lets leave this up to him, if he likes Geno and drafts him #1 I am fine with that conversely if he doesn't like him and does not draft him I am fine with that also.
Not true. Yes, I'm a Geno supporter, but I'd be just as happy with Tyler Wilson. Geno is just my #1 option.

[MissingTBone]

Well kiss any talk of trading for Kirk cousins. Washington would be monumentally stupid to trade him now. RG 3 completely tore his ACL. I blame that coaching staff. He was limping around badly after that first quarter.

So yep it's Geno or Tyler Wilson. I hope one of them just doninates at the combine and their pro day.

I agree, the skins staff knew rg3 was hurting prior to the game. They didn't change their gameplay until he was injured more. IMO they should NOT have been running him as hard as they were in the first quarter. I know it's the playoffs, but that's you're franchise qb who you traded a lot of picks for. They should have come out with a few more passes by rg3 and significantly less runs by him.

[nigeriannightmare]

Heard bits and pieces with Andy and Clark on the radio today. Clark said there is no clear number one and you add the remarks Reid said to Jim rome about cassel makes one really start to wonder. Sounded as if both Clark and Andy are really wanting to trade back. Could be smoke and mirrors too.

Awesome to see this kind of media campaign though. Sounds like Clark understands how much pioli has hurt the fan base. Gotta love it.

[brdempsey69]

Heard bits and pieces with Andy and Clark on the radio today. Clark said there is no clear number one and you add the remarks Reid said to Jim rome about cassel makes one really start to wonder. Sounded as if both Clark and Andy are really wanting to trade back. Could be smoke and mirrors too.

Awesome to see this kind of media campaign though. Sounds like Clark understands how much pioli has hurt the fan base. Gotta love it.

I really believe that Save Our Chiefs was right doing what they did to send a loud & clear message to CH. I wasn't on board with it at first, but as time went on, you knew that something had to be done.

Arrowhead stadium had become a shell of its former self & was turning into a big tomb during Chiefs games. Opposing teams used to dread playing there, but it got so they were looking forward to it as of late. Clark has not seen his team win a home game against the Raiders from 2007 to the present -- it don't get much worse than that.

[N TX Dave]

Arrowhead stadium had become a shell of its former self & was turning into a big tomb during Chiefs games. Opposing teams used to dread playing there, but it got so they were looking forward to it as of late.

The reason it is a shell of its former self is that the team fielded never showed up to play like it was their house. They were an easy win, there was nothing to fear. Teams did not mind playing the Chiefs anywhere. This is the first year the Chiefs have never beat an old AFL team, no matter how bad they were in the 70's they still managed to beat at least one AFL team, that is sad to have a tradition like that broken.

[AkChief49]

I don't think he can declare next year don't you have to be a Junior?

"Football players who have been out of high school for at least three years are eligible for the NFL draft. The rules do not state that a player must attend college, but virtually all of the players selected in the NFL draft played college footballhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.ehow.com/about_4778601_nfl-draft-eligibility-rules.html#). A year as a "redshirt" player in college counts toward eligibility even though the player was not allowed to participate in games during that year. Therefore players who have completed their redshirt sophomore year can enter the NFL draft. A few players are also selected from other football leagues like the Arena Football League or the Canadian Football League."

[justin4359343593]

Who do you think they will take in the draft

[Lord-Chiefy]

For you geno supporters.. it has to be all about race..he's not good reading d's. He spotlights his throws..what he can run... that's the only thing over cassell. Oh and get might have committed murder since he is a public ff gang banger. I don't think Reid wants son thru qb that may end up in prison.

[MyManHali]

Heard bits and pieces with Andy and Clark on the radio today. Clark said there is no clear number one and you add the remarks Reid said to Jim rome about cassel makes one really start to wonder. Sounded as if both Clark and Andy are really wanting to trade back. Could be smoke and mirrors too.

Awesome to see this kind of media campaign though. Sounds like Clark understands how much pioli has hurt the fan base. Gotta love it.


Not that anyone cares, but if Cassel starts I will not watch a single game. Not only that I will leave this board for a year starting September of 2013.

[MyManHali]

For you geno supporters.. it has to be all about race..he's not good reading d's. He spotlights his throws..what he can run... that's the only thing over cassell. Oh and get might have committed murder since he is a public ff gang banger. I don't think Reid wants son thru qb that may end up in prison.


Yeah, he is 10x better than that a hole Cassel.

[DMN]

I think you need to realize that this is the NFL. Coaches will let a couple of bad decisions slide if the talent outweighs the bad decision. And, yeah yeah, he "dropped" off in the 2nd half. If his second half stats are "dropping" off, then sign me up, because Cassel couldn't do that even if the defense wasn't on the field.

Agreed. And I want to reiterate that I by no means am saying Geno can't be the guy at #1. I just don't want desperation to could peoples judgement on what "value" we are really getting with the 1rst overall pick.

Of course I believe that Cassel is cooked. But there are other outlets to upgrade at QB than potentially reaching with such a valuable pick. Granite they may not have as much upside.

I think right now the perceived difference in value of the frontrunners at QB in this draft is small. So hopefully someone knocks our socks off in the senior bowl and the combine.

Except Barkley and Smith are not participating... in which case for Barkley I believe we can all say injury.

But for Smith.. WTF. your stock starts sliding and you pull away from an opportunity to showcase your skills against colleges best!?!?! Especially coming from a weaker division. I don't like it.

[nigeriannightmare]

Just to beat a dead horse one more time. Fox News is reporting that a deaf man was stabbed when his sign language was mistaken for gang signs. You guys are right flashing a gang sign means nothing.

[Lord-Chiefy]

Besides sell that. After these other runnin g backs..errrrrr qb's can't stay healthy for a season.. that has to mean something

[whackojacko58]

Hes a pocket passer whos athletic enough to run, hes not a runner who can pass by the draft he will be the number 1 pick and the number 1 qb in the draft his athletism fits reid glad you all are genos personnal psychologists wait your not lol. These arguments are jokes and make me laugh every time i read them. (Hes a thug) (hell be in prison) unless your genos momma none of us no this kid, you can argue all kids in this draft are thugs cause guess what we dont know any of them and no mattrer what if reid is comfy with him mentally, physically hes our guy and ill welcome him to be our qb with open arms, but if reid says no then whoever (besides cassel) is our qb ill welcome so until reid gets on this forum and says hes not our guy im going to continue to get a kick out of these arguments

[KCCF]

Just to beat a dead horse one more time. Fox News is reporting that a deaf man was stabbed when his sign language was mistaken for gang signs. You guys are right flashing a gang sign means nothing.

Will you shut up about it already, old man. You're trying to start unnecessary drama and its retarded. Just stop.

[whackojacko58]

Will you shut up about it already, old man. You're trying to start unnecessary drama and its retarded. Just stop.

Agreed

[nigeriannightmare]

Will you shut up about it already, old man. You're trying to start unnecessary drama and its retarded. Just stop.

Why cause its a fact. Name calling. Nice shows your intelligence. I have family with learning disabilities that i help take care of. Outstanding.

[texaschief]

Clark Hunt, the chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs, told 610 Sports Radio that he didn't think there was a clear standout at the quarterback position coming out of college this year.

Certainly a candidate may emerge between now and the NFL Draft, but given the lack of excitement from Hunt towards players like Geno Smith of West Virginia, it seems unlikely that the team will look to use their No. 1 overall selection to fill that clear need.

A trade to drop down to the middle of the first round, where drafting Smith makes more sense, could be more likely than maneuvering into a deal for Tampa Bay's Josh Freeman, as Hunt declared that his preference would be to fill any holes in personnel via the draft.

-AJ Mass

... and smart Chiefs fans breath a SLIGHT collective sigh of relief.

Geno Smith in the middle or late in the first is ok... #1 overall?? Not unless you want to continue pissing away draft value.

[brdempsey69]

Clark Hunt, the chairman and CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs, told 610 Sports Radio that he didn't think there was a clear standout at the quarterback position coming out of college this year.

Certainly a candidate may emerge between now and the NFL Draft, but given the lack of excitement from Hunt towards players like Geno Smith of West Virginia, it seems unlikely that the team will look to use their No. 1 overall selection to fill that clear need.

A trade to drop down to the middle of the first round, where drafting Smith makes more sense, could be more likely than maneuvering into a deal for Tampa Bay's Josh Freeman, as Hunt declared that his preference would be to fill any holes in personnel via the draft.

-AJ Mass

... and smart Chiefs fans breath a SLIGHT collective sigh of relief.

Geno Smith in the middle or late in the first is ok... #1 overall?? Not unless you want to continue pissing away draft value.

I'm going to go out on limb, here. The only team I believe may take a QB in the top 15, other than KC is Arizona <---that's right, you read that correctly. I do not believe that Buffalo or Jax is taking a QB in round 1.

The Chiefs may be able to trade down a reasonable distance and still get Smith or Wilson.