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Three7s
01-27-2013, 12:46 PM
Raiders could be eyeing Geno Smith Pro Football Zone (http://profootballzone.com/nfl/raiders-to-draft-geno-smith/)

nigeriannightmare
01-27-2013, 03:35 PM
Raiders could be eyeing Geno Smith Pro Football Zone (http://profootballzone.com/nfl/raiders-to-draft-geno-smith/)

If the Raiders are eyeing Geno it's all the more reason for us not to draft him. They have done an absolutely awesome job of evaluating QB talent....Sarcasm. Using the raiders as a team interested in any qb weakens any ones argument.

The raiders are an example of what not to do when it comes to drafting a qb. Carson Palme (they gave up a couple high picks for him), Jamarcus Russel, Terrell prior whom they haven't even given a chance. Yeah let's get Geno the raiders are interested.

texaschief
01-27-2013, 04:08 PM
Looks like a great trade partner to me!! I'd take their top 3 draft picks over Geno Smith any day of the week. Then flip their 2nd to Philly for Nick Foles and we still get to pick early in the 2nd with our own pick, not to mention pick up another 3rd... hell to the yes!!! Gawd, I hope the Raiders' GM is haunted by Al Davis' stupidity!!

Just a quick comparison:

Last year, the Redskins jumped from #6 in the draft to #2 in the draft. They gave up a swap of 1st round picks AND TWO future 1st round picks along with a 2nd round pick to make up the 1000 pt difference between the two picks.

If the Raiders wanted to jump from #3 overall to #1, they'd have to make up a difference of 800 points. That COULD be equal to what the Redskins gave St. Louis except instead of a 2nd round pick, the Chiefs would get a 3rd round pick.

If a trade down of 2 spots and and additional 2 first round picks along with an additional 3rd rounder is on the table, can you honestly say Geno Smith or ANY other QB in this draft is worth that kind of haul??

jap1
01-27-2013, 04:54 PM
Looks like a great trade partner to me!! I'd take their top 3 draft picks over Geno Smith any day of the week. Then flip their 2nd to Philly for Nick Foles and we still get to pick early in the 2nd with our own pick, not to mention pick up another 3rd... hell to the yes!!! Gawd, I hope the Raiders' GM is haunted by Al Davis' stupidity!!

Just a quick comparison:

Last year, the Redskins jumped from #6 in the draft to #2 in the draft. They gave up a swap of 1st round picks AND TWO future 1st round picks along with a 2nd round pick to make up the 1000 pt difference between the two picks.

If the Raiders wanted to jump from #3 overall to #1, they'd have to make up a difference of 800 points. That COULD be equal to what the Redskins gave St. Louis except instead of a 2nd round pick, the Chiefs would get a 3rd round pick.

If a trade down of 2 spots and and additional 2 first round picks along with an additional 3rd rounder is on the table, can you honestly say Geno Smith or ANY other QB in this draft is worth that kind of haul??

I doubt anyone this years is going to value the top 2 picks as much as they did last year.

texaschief
01-27-2013, 05:08 PM
I doubt anyone this years is going to value the top 2 picks as much as they did last year.

The problem is that the Redskins set the bar. So if a team like Oakland wants to jump up this season, that trade is going to be the starting point. You're right... a trade from #3 or #1 probably won't net the Chiefs what it got St. Louis last year, but I don't think a swap plus next year's first and this year's 2nd is out of the question.

Seek
01-28-2013, 12:43 PM
If the Raiders are eyeing Geno it's all the more reason for us not to draft him. They have done an absolutely awesome job of evaluating QB talent....Sarcasm. Using the raiders as a team interested in any qb weakens any ones argument.

The raiders are an example of what not to do when it comes to drafting a qb. Carson Palme (they gave up a couple high picks for him), Jamarcus Russel, Terrell prior whom they haven't even given a chance. Yeah let's get Geno the raiders are interested.

I understand what you are saying, but the OLD Raiders are died with Al Davis. They may be worse off, but I won't instantly jump on that wagon with you.

Seek
01-28-2013, 12:45 PM
Looks like a great trade partner to me!! I'd take their top 3 draft picks over Geno Smith any day of the week. Then flip their 2nd to Philly for Nick Foles and we still get to pick early in the 2nd with our own pick, not to mention pick up another 3rd... hell to the yes!!! Gawd, I hope the Raiders' GM is haunted by Al Davis' stupidity!!

Just a quick comparison:

Last year, the Redskins jumped from #6 in the draft to #2 in the draft. They gave up a swap of 1st round picks AND TWO future 1st round picks along with a 2nd round pick to make up the 1000 pt difference between the two picks.

If the Raiders wanted to jump from #3 overall to #1, they'd have to make up a difference of 800 points. That COULD be equal to what the Redskins gave St. Louis except instead of a 2nd round pick, the Chiefs would get a 3rd round pick.

If a trade down of 2 spots and and additional 2 first round picks along with an additional 3rd rounder is on the table, can you honestly say Geno Smith or ANY other QB in this draft is worth that kind of haul??


When was the last time you saw someone make a trade of draft picks like this with our division rivals. I don't see this happening at all.

nigeriannightmare
01-28-2013, 03:02 PM
I understand what you are saying, but the OLD Raiders are died with Al Davis. They may be worse off, but I won't instantly jump on that wagon with you.

3 qb draft picks in five years is not something to emulate al Davis dead or not.

Three7s
01-28-2013, 07:11 PM
3 qb draft picks in five years is not something to emulate al Davis dead or not.
What happens if they hit on one?

slc chief
01-28-2013, 07:31 PM
the raiders are just preparing for a scenerio where smith falls to them at 3

texaschief
01-28-2013, 09:52 PM
What happens if they hit on one?

... if/when they finally hit on one, they'll have wasted so many resources on all the missed QBs that it won't matter because they'll have exactly s#!t at every other position on the field. The Raiders have had 11 starting QBs since 2006. 3 of those came in the form of Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks in 2006.

Since 2007, the Raiders have spent:

2007 first round pick on Russell (#1 overall)
2012 first round pick on Carson Palmer
2013 second round pick on Carson Palmer
2012 third round pick on Terrel Pryor

The Raiders still had to rely on Dante Culpepper and Josh McCown until Russell was ready to play. Let's not forget Bruce Bradkowski and Charlie Frye as fall back when Russell became the biggest bust in NFL history. Jason Campbell helped out somewhere in there as well.

11 QBs in 6 seasons are they're STILL in the market for ANOTHER QB heading into 2013... yeah, let's follow THAT model.

tornadospotter
01-28-2013, 10:24 PM
Just not impressed at all with the QB's that are in this draft class, this is one pick, the first, I hope we trade, and get more picks for it. I still think that there are QB's who can play and develop, that will be there in later rounds.

Seek
01-29-2013, 01:21 PM
When was the last time you saw someone make a trade of draft picks like this with our division rivals. I don't see this happening at all.

The Raiders used to also be one of the most penalized teams in the NFL for years. Last year, they were one of the least penalized teams. They are cleaning things up there now. I strongly suggest to not turn a blind eye just because it is the Raiders.

Things are changing with that organization that you can ride of with past history. The change may not be better but it is not the same old Raiders

Eydugstr
01-30-2013, 04:10 PM
My concern with the Raiders isn't the offense. We still need to come up with an answer for their defensive line which has manhandled us.

Lord-Chiefy
01-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Geno will go to raiders ...perfect fit