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slc chief
01-31-2013, 09:26 PM
The Supreme Geno Smith Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DZrJ_ucB_I)

should they? i think so. you have a kid with talent in geno smith. clearly he has more talent than the other qb's who are coming out. but more importantly we now have a coach who knows how to mold an nfl qb. the chiefs need to gamble on this one and just take him. here we go let the fire begin

#58ChiefsFan
01-31-2013, 10:32 PM
The Alex Smith to KC talk that is his heating up leaves me wondering what people are thinking. We already have Alex and he's wearing #7. It's time to stop the nonsense and draft Geno.

slc chief
01-31-2013, 10:54 PM
the kid has a hell of an arm and can definantly spread the field. jamaal charles would love that. i love how he hits his receivers in full stride as well. 40 td's 6 picks. i dont want to here about his record either. our local high school could have put up 21 points against wv's defense

CHIEFS_FN_ROCK
01-31-2013, 11:29 PM
After watching that I would like to see him as the #1 pick. He is not going to be there at pick 33!! I say hell no to alex cassel waste of time with him!! Geno has nice touch hits them in stride nice awareness and can run.

CHIEFS_FN_ROCK
02-01-2013, 12:09 AM
So i compared geno stats with mcnabb although mcnabb never won the big one still a great qb. Stats all four years in college. Mcnabb 548 of 928 for 8,389 yards 26 ints 77 tds and #2 pick in draft. Geno 998 of 1,465 for 11,662 yards 98 tds 21ints AND #1 PICK BY OUR KC CHIEFS!!!!:chiefs3:

slc chief
02-01-2013, 12:34 AM
12,000 yards 100 td's and 21 picks is an awesome resume. my problem with people saying we shouldnt pick him. is that there is no clear cut #1 pick in the draft period. not just the qb's. the chiefs need to take a gamble with the qb position. otherwise it will be another 10 years of mediocracy

CHIEFS_FN_ROCK
02-01-2013, 12:37 AM
1 more comparison geno and peyton. Peyton 863 of1381 for 11,201yards 89 tds 33 int. Geno 998 of 1465 for 11,662 yards 98tds 21 ints

Chiefster
02-01-2013, 12:39 AM
I honestly believe that Dorsey will take the best player available.

N TX Dave
02-01-2013, 12:47 AM
Yes he can hit a wide open receiver in stride because he had good receivers that could get separation where they won't get that in the NFL. Watch some of his long throws and how wide open the WR is, most of his highlights there good more separation. His games that he was a normal QB they did not get that separation.

matthewschiefs
02-01-2013, 01:21 AM
I honestly believe that Dorsey will take the best player available.

That's what's going to happen Not only has he been very open about that fact he has a history of doing so. I really don't think Geno's going to be the pick. I just don't think he's worth number 1. At all

matthewschiefs
02-01-2013, 01:24 AM
12,000 yards 100 td's and 21 picks is an awesome resume. my problem with people saying we shouldnt pick him. is that there is no clear cut #1 pick in the draft period. not just the qb's. the chiefs need to take a gamble with the qb position. otherwise it will be another 10 years of mediocracy

It can also be that if we gamble and lose. The best player available is proven to be a better mindset then gambles we have to get the best player in the draft no matter where they play. They will help far more then reaching for a guy If Geno's the best player fine take him if not take the best player .

chiefnut
02-01-2013, 01:39 AM
1 more comparison geno and peyton. Peyton 863 of1381 for 11,201yards 89 tds 33 int. Geno 998 of 1465 for 11,662 yards 98tds 21 ints


hey i found another comparrison 1622 att 1339 comp 82.6% 14,249 yds 157 TDs 30 ints....pretty darn impressive huh? 6'4 225 lbs and do u kno where u can find him????? he's on the CHIEFS roster...Alex Tanney

and no u can't just rely on stats unless u can break down game to game vs the same caliber opponents they mean nothing, just good for bar talk over a beer.

Chiefster
02-01-2013, 01:50 AM
That's what's going to happen Not only has he been very open about that fact he has a history of doing so. I really don't think Geno's going to be the pick. I just don't think he's worth number 1. At all

I agree; I highly doubt Geno will be at the top of the leaderboard.

Guru
02-01-2013, 07:40 AM
The Alex Smith to KC talk that is his heating up leaves me wondering what people are thinking. We already have Alex and he's wearing #7. It's time to stop the nonsense and draft Geno.

I'm no Alex Smith fan and don't want him but to say he is just another Matt Cassel is just nonsense.

OH, and yes, draft a QB. Geno or Wilson.

Guru
02-01-2013, 07:45 AM
It can also be that if we gamble and lose. The best player available is proven to be a better mindset then gambles we have to get the best player in the draft no matter where they play. They will help far more then reaching for a guy If Geno's the best player fine take him if not take the best player .

Not with the new rookie wage scale. If the QB we draft ultimately fails it doesn't set you back years like it used to. High draft picks are nowhere near the risk they used to be.

slc chief
02-01-2013, 08:33 AM
That's what's going to happen Not only has he been very open about that fact he has a history of doing so. I really don't think Geno's going to be the pick. I just don't think he's worth number 1. At all


here is my thought on that. lets compare the raiders bust pick jamarcus russell. and the cleveland browns all star pick joe thomas. one is a complete bust and one an o-lineman who is a constant pro bowler and considerd the best young o-lineman in the league he was a great pick. now look at it as how much better off are the browns than the raiders. they are not the browns have done just as bad as the raiders since the picks. my point THIS IS a qb driven league. if you dont have one you you are going to suck. all the experts say geno has the most talent and the most promise to become a nfl qb. take there experties for what it's worth

slc chief
02-01-2013, 08:35 AM
I agree; I highly doubt Geno will be at the top of the leaderboard.

cam newton wasn't projected a clear cut #1 before the pro days and the combine. geno's stock has plenty of time to rise.

whackojacko58
02-01-2013, 09:24 AM
Kc will sign alber if bowe leaves will sign mike wallace and will draft geno first overall. You all can hold me to it

#58ChiefsFan
02-01-2013, 11:50 AM
I'm no Alex Smith fan and don't want him but to say he is just another Matt Cassel is just nonsense.

OH, and yes, draft a QB. Geno or Wilson.

Career NFL stats as of week 17, 2012

Cassel 82-57 13495 80.4
Smith 81-63 14280 79.1

dl89
02-01-2013, 12:23 PM
In our position, we could grab the most talented QB in the draft (Geno) and pick up a proven winner in Alex Smith. Let them fight it out for the #1 spot- if Geno gets benched and Alex earns the job, all will be right with the world. Geno needs to be humbled and taught how to play within himself, and Alex deserves another chance as a starter after leading the league in completion percentage last year. Just a thought. We could also trade down for quantity, allowing us to pick up a CB or WR along with Barkley or Gray or maybe Mike Glennon. I reserve the right to waffle, but as of now I'd take the risk with either picking Geno first or trading down for Barkley. Either way, I still want Alex Smith in KC. If he's really Cassel 2.0, hand him the clipboard and let the youngster give it a shot.

dl89
02-01-2013, 12:29 PM
And I don't want to see stats, I don't want to see comparisons, I don't need any of that. Nobody knows what these young guys are going to do. Andrew Luck coming into the league as an obvious NFL starter is the exception to the rule. He gets ridiculous pub for a reason- he's just freakishly, abnormally mature. Maybe there's a diamond in the rough, a 3rd or 4th round that has the guts and the intellect to be the next Tom Brady. Since there's no stat for guts, I'll use the statistical analysis more as a vague guideline than a measuring stick.

matthewschiefs
02-01-2013, 01:30 PM
Not with the new rookie wage scale. If the QB we draft ultimately fails it doesn't set you back years like it used to. High draft picks are nowhere near the risk they used to be.

YES it does set you back for years. Guys are not given 1 year to prove themselfs. They are given at least 2 if not 3 years. Picking the wrong QB will still set us back YEARS we have to make sure we get that pick right.

jap1
02-01-2013, 04:10 PM
Career NFL stats as of week 17, 2012

Cassel 82-57 13495 80.4
Smith 81-63 14280 79.1

What are the first two numbers? Im assuming the 3rd is yards, and the last is percentage?

N TX Dave
02-01-2013, 04:21 PM
Td-int

70 chiefsfan70
02-01-2013, 04:40 PM
Wow! Now thats a lot of ints. 120 between the two of them. Surely they not that bad.

KCCF
02-01-2013, 04:52 PM
People on this board are actually talking about drafting Geno now? What happened to all the "he's an immature gang banger"? Glad we're all over that.

MissingTBone
02-01-2013, 05:32 PM
Geno played against a lot of bad opponents while garnering those freakish numbers. When he played better defenses that could cover his all star wide receivers he had problems getting through his reads and finding an open man. I'm not gung go for Alex Smith but despite his td/int ratio and stats he has won many games including a playoff game and against quality opponents. Cassel has not shown he can win consistently, and struggles horribly against quality teams.
I swear I heard a lot of complaining about Pioli reaching for draft picks he hoped would work out. Now that we have a GM who takes bpa everyone wants to reach for a player they hope works out. Ugh!!
Also don't like the Browns/Raiders comparison as they were both victims of poor coaching/management for the most part. Would you rather have a stud OL or a bust qb??

#58ChiefsFan
02-01-2013, 06:15 PM
Geno played against a lot of bad opponents while garnering those freakish numbers. When he played better defenses that could cover his all star wide receivers he had problems getting through his reads and finding an open man. I'm not gung go for Alex Smith but despite his td/int ratio and stats he has won many games including a playoff game and against quality opponents. Cassel has not shown he can win consistently, and struggles horribly against quality teams.
I swear I heard a lot of complaining about Pioli reaching for draft picks he hoped would work out. Now that we have a GM who takes bpa everyone wants to reach for a player they hope works out. Ugh!!
Also don't like the Browns/Raiders comparison as they were both victims of poor coaching/management for the most part. Would you rather have a stud OL or a bust qb??

I think we can all agree QB is the biggest need on this roster for 2013. Having Dorsey trade out of the first pick to a position where a QB is BPA while getting an extra couple picks to shore up this roster would be the ideal scenario.

HaliForPresident
02-01-2013, 06:19 PM
1 more comparison geno and peyton. Peyton 863 of1381 for 11,201yards 89 tds 33 int. Geno 998 of 1465 for 11,662 yards 98tds 21 ints

Colt Brennan 14193 yard 131 TD 42 INT
Graham Harrell 15793 yards 134 TD 34 INT

Thank God you guys weren't GM or we'd have them as our QBs in KC. Geno Smith is in a system that allows for big numbers like that. He doesn't have to make reads and doesn't handle pressure well if he can't make the quick one read throw. There is no QB worth a #1 pick in this draft and we need to not reach for one like that. Alex Smith is by far the best option. People for some reason don't seem to realize he was on the verge of a pro bowl season this year until he got injured.

Chiefster
02-02-2013, 01:12 AM
Not with the new rookie wage scale. If the QB we draft ultimately fails it doesn't set you back years like it used to. High draft picks are nowhere near the risk they used to be.


YES it does set you back for years. Guys are not given 1 year to prove themselfs. They are given at least 2 if not 3 years. Picking the wrong QB will still set us back YEARS we have to make sure we get that pick right.

I think Guru was talking about setting a team back years financially.

Chiefster
02-02-2013, 01:20 AM
cam newton wasn't projected a clear cut #1 before the pro days and the combine. geno's stock has plenty of time to rise.

That's a fair point, however, given Dorsey's obvious intention to stay true to the "best player available" philosophy I still think that Geno's a bit of a long shot for the first pick overall. But, hey, I'm no expert and when it comes to the draft I'm sure I've been wrong more often then I've been right. At this point: I would not be terribly disappointed if we took Smith first or if we went with whoever is considered the best player available. I trust Dorsey's judgement a lot more than I do Pioli's. JMHO

Guru
02-02-2013, 05:02 AM
YES it does set you back for years. Guys are not given 1 year to prove themselfs. They are given at least 2 if not 3 years. Picking the wrong QB will still set us back YEARS we have to make sure we get that pick right.

Because playing with other teams backups has been SOOOO successful here.

Yes, we have to get that pick right. I fully support that statement.

Tackles don't win superbowls. Just ask Cleveland.

Guru
02-02-2013, 05:07 AM
Colt Brennan 14193 yard 131 TD 42 INT
Graham Harrell 15793 yards 134 TD 34 INT

Thank God you guys weren't GM or we'd have them as our QBs in KC. Geno Smith is in a system that allows for big numbers like that. He doesn't have to make reads and doesn't handle pressure well if he can't make the quick one read throw. There is no QB worth a #1 pick in this draft and we need to not reach for one like that. Alex Smith is by far the best option. People for some reason don't seem to realize he was on the verge of a pro bowl season this year until he got injured.

Heres the thing though, every QB in every draft is a risk. Granted, the Mannings and Lucks are much less risk, but this team NEVER takes a risk at QB and look what it has gotten us. Now we have our pick of any player we want and we are still afraid to go after a QB. It's ridiculous that this team and many fans still want to completely ignore the glaring hole on this team.

I would much rather see them try and fail than to continuously NOT try at all.

70 chiefsfan70
02-02-2013, 09:19 AM
Heres the thing though, every QB in every draft is a risk. Granted, the Mannings and Lucks are much less risk, but this team NEVER takes a risk at QB and look what it has gotten us. Now we have our pick of any player we want and we are still afraid to go after a QB. It's ridiculous that this team and many fans still want to completely ignore the glaring hole on this team.

I would much rather see them try and fail than to continuously NOT try at all.


Exactly!

If people cant see the picture this past season, then they never will. We are a good team other then the qb. Just look at all the probowlers, 6 of em. We cant make this stuff up. 6 probowlers and a record of 2 and 14. I do give the previous coaching staff blame, but the real blame lies on the managment for NOT addressing the qb. As I said all last season, the Chiefs are the best team to ever have the record they had. 2 and 14.

70 chiefsfan70
02-02-2013, 09:34 AM
6 probowlers ond we get the #1 pick!

Only 6 teams had more probowlers then the team with the worst record.

There are 6 teams that did not have any pro bowl players, including the Chargers, who have a decent qb and nooo other talent to speak of.

This team is loaded I mean loaded with talent and we have only one real glaring need, but of coarse we can keep making the rest of the team better and hope the qb will magicly fix itself.

12 probowl players will not give us a winning record. We are a team and should be veiwed as such. No qb will mean no wins.

chiefnut
02-02-2013, 11:21 AM
i don't understand why some believe if we don't take geno we have doomed ourselves and it is the end of the CHIEFS football world. a bit of an exageration yes, but there is life after geno. there are currently 5 QBs including geno that are projected probable nfl starters or at least getting a shot at starting for an nfl team depending on which team drafts them. each has differnt skill sets that the scouts like and EACH have flaws that worry them. geno is not the freakish specimen of a cam newton, nor the running ability of an RGIII, russel wilson or kaepernick nor the passer of a Luck, stafford, bradford etc. he may very well turn out to be a good/great nfl QB but that remains to be seen. the other 4 QB's may also be busts or end up being great QBs so picking any of them is a gamble with a slightly higer risk as u move down the draft board.

i agree we need to pick one or more QBs early in this draft but i would be happy w/any that Dorsey and Reid want to pick. i would be dissapointed however if the pick any of the #1 overall, just seems to be a waste of value. it would be like going to a store to buy a big screen tv on sale and buying it for 10% over the pre sale price. yes you still got the same tv but just paid way to much for it.

N TX Dave
02-02-2013, 11:49 AM
Exactly!

If people cant see the picture this past season, then they never will. We are a good team other then the qb. Just look at all the probowlers, 6 of em. We cant make this stuff up. 6 probowlers and a record of 2 and 14. I do give the previous coaching staff blame, but the real blame lies on the managment for NOT addressing the qb. As I said all last season, the Chiefs are the best team to ever have the record they had. 2 and 14.

We see the problem, we are not dumb, we just don't see a solution worth the first pick in the draft. I am tired of the team reaching with their first pick as we have done most of the last 8 years. Just because we draft a QB with the first does not mean he will be good.

What is the worse case we bring in another teams reject, as some people call them and go 2-14 again next year and get a top 2 pick again and there may be some good QB coming out next year and we get one of those we have wasted one year but we have a good DE to replace Jackson or LT to replace Albert. If we draft Geno and he is a bust it will take 2-3 years to move on and draft another QB and we will still have a hole on the line instead of a stud.

chiefnut
02-02-2013, 11:53 AM
remember drafting a QB #1 does not make him a #1 QB

if we drafted stanzi any higher would he be a better QB?

Three7s
02-02-2013, 12:39 PM
Because playing with other teams backups has been SOOOO successful here.

Yes, we have to get that pick right. I fully support that statement.

Tackles don't win superbowls. Just ask Cleveland.
*waits for texaschief to come in and say Joe Thomas would be a better pick than any QB in this draft if he were there*

HaliForPresident
02-02-2013, 03:04 PM
remember drafting a QB #1 does not make him a #1 QB

if we drafted stanzi any higher would he be a better QB?

Couldn't agree more! To many of the average fans seem to think you can make a player better just by drafting him higher. That's what Pioli seemed to think he could do with Tyson Jackson. Jackson would have been a good pick late first round where he was projected, but Pioli reached just like they want Reid to do with a QB.

Fact of the matter is Alex Smith is a much better QB prospect than any of the QBs in this draft, and wouldn't have to waste a 1st overall pick on him. Also don't forget, he's only 29, he has plenty left in him. This would allow Chiefs to draft Star who many scouts predict as a dominant 3-4 DE, and that's something Chiefs need if they lose Dorsey this offseason and possibly Jackson soon after.

nigeriannightmare
02-03-2013, 03:20 PM
Because playing with other teams backups has been SOOOO successful here.

Yes, we have to get that pick right. I fully support that statement.

Tackles don't win superbowls. Just ask Cleveland.

Yeah ask Cleveland about drafting the wrong QB too. How many have they drafted in the past five years? Really you are gonna use Cleveland as an argument.

matthewschiefs
02-03-2013, 05:06 PM
Because playing with other teams backups has been SOOOO successful here.

Yes, we have to get that pick right. I fully support that statement.

Tackles don't win superbowls. Just ask Cleveland.

And the QBs we have drafted have worked out so much better?

The last Qb to be really good in KC was one that we got from anther teams backup his name Trent Green.

Three7s
02-03-2013, 06:07 PM
And the QBs we have drafted have worked out so much better?

The last Qb to be really good in KC was one that we got from anther teams backup his name Trent Green.
Yeah, maybe you should look at the trend of the last QBs we drafted. How many were in the first round again?

matthewschiefs
02-03-2013, 07:48 PM
Yeah, maybe you should look at the trend of the last QBs we drafted. How many were in the first round again?

None but that doesn't mean a 1st round pick is promised to work better then any we have. Just look at all the QBs who have been bust we have done a bad job getting a QB either way.

Guru
02-05-2013, 04:10 AM
Again, I would rather the Chiefs try and fail than continue to not even try. We have ignored the most important position on the field for far too long.

Coach
02-05-2013, 11:36 PM
Again, I would rather the Chiefs try and fail than continue to not even try. We have ignored the most important position on the field for far too long.

Agreed. It's our biggest position of need. It isn't like to haven't missed on 1st round picks before anyway. I'll take a miss on a QB before another miss on a DT or WR.

Guru
02-06-2013, 04:06 AM
Agreed. It's our biggest position of need. It isn't like to haven't missed on 1st round picks before anyway. I'll take a miss on a QB before another miss on a DT or WR.
Lord knows we have had enough of those.

Coach
02-06-2013, 07:39 PM
Lord knows we have had enough of those.
There's a good chance that Tyson Jackson will get cut this offseason and we just spent the #3 overall pick on him a few years ago.

Lord-Chiefy
02-07-2013, 12:50 AM
Let's get Orton back

Chiefster
02-07-2013, 02:08 AM
Let's get Orton back

The point of being a comedian is that the one telling the jokes is, at least, funny. :D

slc chief
02-07-2013, 10:34 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000136720/article/2013-nfl-draft-top-five-prospects-at-every-offensive-position