Bart Scott Makes Too Much Sense

[texaschief]

It's really hard to think about Bart Scott and not see him in Chiefs red next season. The Chiefs need an ILB and a field general to place next to D.J. He played under Sutton the last couple years and as the new D.C. tries to implement a new version of the 3-4, who better to help in that venture than a guy who's been in the Rex Ryan system since he came into the league? He's 32 and wouldn't be a great long-term fit, but a 2-year deal would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs.

Bill Williamson at ESPN has already touched on the subject:

"Don’t be shocked if you hear of the Kansas City Chiefs (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs) showing interest in veteran linebackerBart Scott (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4256/bart-scott).

He was just cut by the Jets. There are reasons to think the Chiefs could be interested in Scott. It starts with the presence of new Kansas City defensive coordinator Bob Sutton. He was Scott’s position coach in all four of the linebacker's seasons in New York. If Sutton thinks Scott can help the Chiefs, I’m sure he’d push for him.

Kansas City also could use a veteran inside linebacker. The team has Pro Bowlers in outside linebackers Tamba Hali (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9606/tamba-hali) and Justin Houston (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14048/justin-houston) and inside linebacker Derrick Johnson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8430/derrick-johnson). Adding a savvy veteran like Scott, who knows how to play under Sutton, may be beneficial.

Scott is also known as a confident leader. The young Chiefs could use a veteran voice like Scott's.

However, there are some potential pratfalls. Scott will turn 33 in August, his production slipped last season and he had offseason surgery. But there may be enough short-term positives to make it worth the Chiefs’ while to consider Scott.

The Chiefs have already considered the market of released veterans. Last week, they visited with former Giants defensive end Chris Canty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8546/chris-canty), who also visited with Tennessee. Canty is 30, so it shows the Chiefs’ new brass is open to considering aging veterans who have been released by other teams."

[Coach]

What kind of money do you think it will take to sign him?

[#58ChiefsFan]

He was due $8.6 mil this year and $8 mil in 2014 under his contract before release.

[slc chief]

i wouldn't mined signing him if his attitude is right. that's something the chiefs have been missing is veteran leadership.

[jap1]

My concern is that I think he would want more $$ than what a 2-down LB would be worth. I would rather spend that money on QB, WR, LT, LG, CB, FS, DL and THEN on ILB. Our LBers were pretty strong (with 3 pro-bowlers, granted one was an alternate) so I would hesitate to spend a lot of money on one of our positions of strength.

If he were to take a couple mil/year for like 3 years, then yes. With how tight we currently are in the cap, I woud find it hard to justify spending more than 4 mil/yr.

[texaschief]

What kind of money do you think it will take to sign him?

I'd offer 2/$6.5m. If he walks away from that, oh well. But these kinds of players are why I'd be more inclined to let Albert walk. For what we'd sign Albert for, we could have 2 players like Scott while getting a cheaper upgrade in the draft at LT.

Found out tonight that the tag number for franchising a LT is over $15m. Albert isn't worth that for one year. So, it's either long-term deal in the $7m/yr range or bust for me with Albert.

[jap1]

15 mil?! Geez! If we franchised him, I dont even know if we would be able to sign our draft picks! Yeah, I think it is either 7-8mil/yr or Joeckel. I like Albert, but that would seriously hamstring us.

[FranciscoD'anconia]

As an Eagles fan, I could tell you that there is NO chance that the Chiefs sign Bart Scott. For 12 years Reid's strategy was to sign young players and stay away from anyone who has hit the 30 mark. They'd always scoff at the Redskins who would sign all these expensive guys that used to be good, but who hit 30, and then the Eagles would go out and destroy them. Two years ago, for whatever reason, he switched gears, when out and signed Asomougha, Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Ronnie Brown and extended the contracts of Trent Cole and Todd Herrimans. WOW did that backfire in a big way. He will NOT be doing that again.

On that note, I have some news that is really going to disappoint Chiefs fans. Hali and DJ are getting up there. When their contracts run out, and I'm not sure when that is, they will NOT be back. Hali might have 12 sacks in the last year of his contract. He won't be back after that. If Reid was willing to let Brian Dawkins, Troy Vincent, Hugh Douglas, Bobby Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, Tra Thomas... go, he'll let Hali and DJ go. The good news? He'll find some guys in their early to mid 20s you never heard of who will turn out to be studs and you'll get 6 or 7 years out of them. But the KC Chiefs will NOT sign Bart Scott.

[DMN]

I am not saying that I condone the idea of signing Scott. I think he would cost more than his production would warrant. I am of the mindset of a less expensive draft pick this year to fill the ILB spot and let him play with 3 pro bowlers to foster his development. As far as age goes, Canty was in for a visit immediately after his release and he will turn 31 in November.

[N TX Dave]

The only thing I will say is Reid is not the only one to call the personnel shots so maybe Hali and DJ may stay and they may sign someone 30 why else would they bring in someone 31 to look at only time will tell.

[FranciscoD'anconia]

I am not saying that I condone the idea of signing Scott. I think he would cost more than his production would warrant. I am of the mindset of a less expensive draft pick this year to fill the ILB spot and let him play with 3 pro bowlers to foster his development. As far as age goes, Canty was in for a visit immediately after his release and he will turn 31 in November.

Yeah, but they didn't sign him. Also, there's a difference between 30 and 33. 30 is like, "Eh. We probably don't want him, but maybe let's just kick the tires for the heck of it." 33 would be "no way". I'm just goin' off of the way he thinks. Watched him for 14 years.

[Three7s]

As an Eagles fan, I could tell you that there is NO chance that the Chiefs sign Bart Scott. For 12 years Reid's strategy was to sign young players and stay away from anyone who has hit the 30 mark. They'd always scoff at the Redskins who would sign all these expensive guys that used to be good, but who hit 30, and then the Eagles would go out and destroy them. Two years ago, for whatever reason, he switched gears, when out and signed Asomougha, Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Ronnie Brown and extended the contracts of Trent Cole and Todd Herrimans. WOW did that backfire in a big way. He will NOT be doing that again.

On that note, I have some news that is really going to disappoint Chiefs fans. Hali and DJ are getting up there. When their contracts run out, and I'm not sure when that is, they will NOT be back. Hali might have 12 sacks in the last year of his contract. He won't be back after that. If Reid was willing to let Brian Dawkins, Troy Vincent, Hugh Douglas, Bobby Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, Tra Thomas... go, he'll let Hali and DJ go. The good news? He'll find some guys in their early to mid 20s you never heard of who will turn out to be studs and you'll get 6 or 7 years out of them. But the KC Chiefs will NOT sign Bart Scott.
Agreed 100%

[N TX Dave]

As an Eagles fan, I could tell you that there is NO chance that the Chiefs sign Bart Scott. For 12 years Reid's strategy was to sign young players and stay away from anyone who has hit the 30 mark. They'd always scoff at the Redskins who would sign all these expensive guys that used to be good, but who hit 30, and then the Eagles would go out and destroy them. Two years ago, for whatever reason, he switched gears, when out and signed Asomougha, Babin, Cullen Jenkins, Ronnie Brown and extended the contracts of Trent Cole and Todd Herrimans. WOW did that backfire in a big way. He will NOT be doing that again.

On that note, I have some news that is really going to disappoint Chiefs fans. Hali and DJ are getting up there. When their contracts run out, and I'm not sure when that is, they will NOT be back. Hali might have 12 sacks in the last year of his contract. He won't be back after that. If Reid was willing to let Brian Dawkins, Troy Vincent, Hugh Douglas, Bobby Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, Tra Thomas... go, he'll let Hali and DJ go. The good news? He'll find some guys in their early to mid 20s you never heard of who will turn out to be studs and you'll get 6 or 7 years out of them. But the KC Chiefs will NOT sign Bart Scott.

DJ, Hali, Berry and JC are all FA in 2016/2017 year so who knows what will happen then.

[Justin5772002]

We have 3 pro bowl line backers we need to throw a rookie in the mix to develop for when we need him to step up and be that role teaching the new rookies

[DMN]

Yeah, but they didn't sign him. Also, there's a difference between 30 and 33. 30 is like, "Eh. We probably don't want him, but maybe let's just kick the tires for the heck of it." 33 would be "no way". I'm just goin' off of the way he thinks. Watched him for 14 years.

I find it curious, in what has to be arguably the most overwhelming offseason either Reid or Dorsey my ever endure, that they would waste their time meeting with a player that they really had no intentions of signing. And by no means am I saying you don't have the upper hand on Andy Reid Insight. But in that 14 years he failed to win a ring. One could say there was a flaw in the way he "thinks".

I don't care if the guy is 45... If he can come in and make our 2-14 team better then they better be looked at. If 37 year old Tony Gonzalez wanted to sign with the chiefs and Reid snuffed him solely for age I would immediately begin to question him as a coach.

[FranciscoD'anconia]

Absolutely. I'm sure he's reevaluating how he does things all the time, knowing that he's never won a championship. For example, two years ago he said, "Ok, I haven't won a championship by avoiding guys in their 30s, so let's go out and spend big money on guys in their 30s." It didn't work. I'm sure he learned from that, and said "I guess my old way was better." You're right that they wouldn't "waste time" with it. But let me try to reexplain this way.

He will have a "grade" on each player, as each personnel guy does. Andy Reid, in my experience following him, places much higher value, in determining that grade, on age than most personnel guys. They all do, but it weighs more heavily in his thinking than I think you guys in KC might be use to, so I'm bringing that to everyone's attention.

I'm pretty confident that Bart Scott, at 33, would not be an Andy Reid guy. My guess is that there's about a 2% chance he's interested in him. Chris Canty at 30 (keep in mind, he played for a division rival and Reid has game planned against him a lot, so he might know a little more about him), I'd put at maybe 40% that they offer him a contract. That's just my best guess on how I see it. I could be wrong.

[DMN]

Right on. We are a pretty young team as it stands. I wonder if they will find exceeded value in some veteran guys to help the locker room. Maybe some guys who are on board with the new schemes. Come to think of it I am trying to think of a starter who is even 30 years old... Winston? Hali? Johnson? too lazy to check, haha.

We have a lot of holes to fill and at some very expensive positions. I kind of get the feeling that we won't be overly aggressive in FA. I would be shocked to see any high priced guys brought in. I think it is silly to think we are gonna fix this team in one offseason. But we certainly can get it on the right track.