chiefs interested in joeckel smith combo????????????????????/

[slc chief]

Report: Chiefs interested in Alex Smith, Luke Joeckel Posted by Josh Alper on February 24, 2013, 2:38 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/350x-1211.jpg?w=250 APTrade talks involving Nick Foles (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7475/nick-foles) might not have gone anywhere (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/23/report-eagles-chiefs-talked-foles-no-progress-toward-trade/), but that’s not the only trade option available to the Chiefs this offseason.
Alex Smith would be another possibility and Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network and NFL.com reports that it is one that interests them (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000144569/article/kansas-city-chiefs-eyeing-alex-smith-luke-joeckel-more-buzz?campaign=Twitter_writers_rapsheet). Rapoport writes that “word is starting to leak of their interest” in Smith and that the Chiefs have “shown more interest” than anyone else in making a trade for a quarterback that could become their starter in 2013.
The 49ers said this week that all options are on the table (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/49ers-gm-says-all-options-are-on-the-table-for-alex-smith/) in regard to Smith, who is set to make $8.5 million in 2013. A trade that allows Smith to at least challenge for a starting role while also bringing something back for the 49ers seems like the best one of those options for all involved.
Rapoport also reports that the Chiefs are “high” on Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel, a player who has been mentioned often in discussions of possibilities for the first overall pick in the draft. That’s not surprising, although interest in Joeckel will help dictate what the team does with current left tackle Branden Albert (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4805/branden-albert), an impending free agent. There’s been some talk of keeping Albert and moving him to guard if Joeckel is the pick in April, albeit talk Albert thinks should cease and desist (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/branden-albert-wants-to-stay-in-k-c-and-at-tackle/).
With a decision looming for wide receiver Dwayne Bowe (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4184/dwayne-bowe) as well, the Chiefs will have plenty to do in the next couple of weeks as they plot their course into the free agency and trading season.

[slc chief]

take it for what it's worth. i believe any info that get's leaked out this time of year is done so on purpose. maybe they are trying to send a message to the eagles or maybe they are serious about it. also there is a possability they are trying to get a team who is in love with joeckel to take the bait for a trade.

[Chiefs fanatic]

Some interesting tweets about Alex Smith by Jason La Canfora.


@JasonLaCanfora
(https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12


@JasonLaCanfora (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)
so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

[Ryfo18]

I just kinda want to cry right now.

[texaschief]

I'm sure the other team HAS to be K.C. Rumors have recently surfaced about Cassel being let go as well as Reid shooting down all the Foles discussions. Perhaps Philly is serious about keeping Foles. Nobody but those who are absolutely head over heels in love with Geno Smith believe he's worth the #1 pick, so that rules out a QB there. It also helps to know that Andy Reid went hot and heavy after Alex Smith last season in Philly. These Alex Smith rumors are also coupled with "leaks" that the Chiefs are "high on Luke Joekel." This should lead you to believe the Chiefs are either looking at letting Albert walk and taking Joekel, or they're trying to drive the interest in Joekel in a move to trade down. Either way, the info available shouldn't lead ANYONE to believe Geno Smith will be the pick at #1 or even part of the solution in K.C. at the QB position.

[chiefnut]

this doesnt mean any thing, what are we supposedly giving up for smith?

[slc chief]

this doesnt mean any thing, what are we supposedly giving up for smith?

i think it does reports are leaking out that the deal is all but done and that k.c is the team involved.......


uuuuuuugh another teams backup as our starter. alex smith comes with a bunch of question marks in my mind. i would feel better about it if they draft e.j manuel or tyler wilson in the 2nd or 3rd round .. and if they give up anything more than a 3rd i will be pissed i would like it to be a 4th

[Ryfo18]

DeBerg, Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith.

[Coach]

After watching the QB's all day on the NFL channel I think it's fairly safe to say that nobody believes that any of these qb's are worthy of the #1 overall pick. There doesn't seem to be much separation amongst the top 4-5 QB's. I think we could get just as good of a QB at the top of the second round as the one we would be reaching for if we used the #1 pick.

This still doesn't mean I'm in favor of using the #1 pick to draft a LT. I'd rather sign Albert and use the #1 pick in the draft to fill a position of need.

[Chiefs fanatic]

This still doesn't mean I'm in favor of using the #1 pick to draft a LT. I'd rather sign Albert and use the #1 pick in the draft to fill a position of need.
If we do end up taking Joeckel, the money we save by not resigning Albert would allow us to sign other free agents that address areas of need.

[slc chief]

If we do end up taking Joeckel, the money we save by not resigning Albert would allow us to sign other free agents that address areas of need.


they was also talking that the chiefs are interested in retaining albert even if they pick joeckel and moving him to either guard or rt.. now that would be an impressive o-line. but i am still not sold on alex smith. andy reid obviously knows more than i do about nfl qb's. but it just is not an atractive pick up. and i hope they dont give up our second round pick for him. again early reports say that the 49ers are very happy with the offer

[Bortnem]

I wouldnt mind getting Alex Smith. I just think back to when we had our amazing line and ran the ball with Priest and Trent Green managed the game. With a great o-line and running game, the QB doesnt have to win you the game, he just has to not lose it. I think that is something Alex would bring to the Chiefs. Even though we dont know much about how he will play in the NFL, we know more about how he handles it than we do with anyone we might possibly draft. If we get Alex Smith and pick up a developmental kid in the 3/4 round I have to look at that as a success with the mediocrity of this years QB class both free agents and draft.

[texaschief]

There's no way you bring Albert back to play OG. For the money it would take to franchise him ($15M) or sign him to a long-term deal $8-10m/yr, you could fill so many holes and not have to worry about upgrading at positions already filled by Asamoah and Jeff Allen. There are too many other things to spend that money on. Besides, the OL depth in this draft would allow the Chiefs to upgrade at OG in a much more efficient manner than spending that kind of money for a guy who doesn't want to be an OG.

BTW, did anyone catch the fact that Alex Smith is owed $8.5M in 2013? There's no way the Chiefs gave up anything higher than a 4th round pick unless the 49ers agreed to take on a substantial amount of his salary. If the 49ers agreed to pay 3/4 of his remaining salary, I'd go as high as a 2nd. If they didn't help with his salary at all, I'd be pissed if the Chiefs gave up anything more than a 4th.

[texaschief]

I wouldnt mind getting Alex Smith. I just think back to when we had our amazing line and ran the ball with Priest and Trent Green managed the game. With a great o-line and running game, the QB doesnt have to win you the game, he just has to not lose it. I think that is something Alex would bring to the Chiefs. Even though we dont know much about how he will play in the NFL, we know more about how he handles it than we do with anyone we might possibly draft. If we get Alex Smith and pick up a developmental kid in the 3/4 round I have to look at that as a success with the mediocrity of this years QB class both free agents and draft.

I heard Alex Smith was Kaepernick's primary QB coach. I think he'd be a great influence on a guy like Bray if the Chiefs decided they wanted to bring in a QB project. If Bray's maturity is the issue, wouldn't this seem like the perfect situation to bring him into? He gets to learn how to be a pro and maximize all the tools that make him one of, if not THE most talented QB in this draft.

[slc chief]

There's no way you bring Albert back to play OG. For the money it would take to franchise him ($15M) or sign him to a long-term deal $8-10m/yr, you could fill so many holes and not have to worry about upgrading at positions already filled by Asamoah and Jeff Allen. There are too many other things to spend that money on. Besides, the OL depth in this draft would allow the Chiefs to upgrade at OG in a much more efficient manner than spending that kind of money for a guy who doesn't want to be an OG.

BTW, did anyone catch the fact that Alex Smith is owed $8.5M in 2013? There's no way the Chiefs gave up anything higher than a 4th round pick unless the 49ers agreed to take on a substantial amount of his salary. If the 49ers agreed to pay 3/4 of his remaining salary, I'd go as high as a 2nd. If they didn't help with his salary at all, I'd be pissed if the Chiefs gave up anything more than a 4th.

i agree on albert we will see where it goes if the chiefs gave up there 2nd round pick or even traded 2nd rounders with them i will puke

[Chiefster]

I know there are those who disagree, but I can't help thinking that this might well be the best case scenario.

[Canada]

Alex Smith is terrible. The second coming of Matt Cassel.

[texaschief]

I no there are those who disagree, but I can't help thinking that this might well be the best case scenario.

I think I agree. But it also depends on what happens after the Smith trade.

[Chiefster]

Alex Smith is terrible. The second coming of Matt Cassel.

He would fit well with Reid's offense, much better than would Cassel.

[Chiefster]

I think I agree. But it also depends on what happens after the Smith trade.

I wonder what we'd have to give up for him?

[MyManHali]

Not that many people care on this board, but if it is official and they trade for Alex Smith and don't draft Geno I'm done. I sat through, cried and complained about the Pioli regime for 2 years. We keep bringing in FA qb after FA qb and we still wonder why we can't be competitive every year.

If April rolls around and there is no Geno I will quit following the Chiefs, posting on this forum and will be done watching games, until I actually see some promise is when I will start caring.

[Coach]

Not that many people care on this board, but if it is official and they trade for Alex Smith and don't draft Geno I'm done. I sat through, cried and complained about the Pioli regime for 2 years. We keep bringing in FA qb after FA qb and we still wonder why we can't be competitive every year.

If April rolls around and there is no Geno I will quit following the Chiefs, posting on this forum and will be done watching games, until I actually see some promise is when I will start caring.

everyone is jumping to conclusions. No deal has been announced. And it is still very likely that the Chiefs will use an early on a QB. It's highly unlikely that Geno would be left at the top of the 2nd rd, but there will be a good option for us at QB.

[Coach]

If we do end up taking Joeckel, the money we save by not resigning Albert would allow us to sign other free agents that address areas of need.
If you draft Joeckel instead of paying Albert, you are essentially saying that Albert is equal to #1 overall pick plus $3-4mm/yr cap money. Albert is a good LT. Why are we replacing our best players with the #1 pick?

[70 chiefsfan70]

If you draft Joeckel instead of paying Albert, you are essentially saying that Albert is equal to #1 overall pick plus $3-4mm/yr cap money. Albert is a good LT. Why are we replacing our best players with the #1 pick?

You said it very well. We have soooooo many needs and also huge talent and we just dont have enough time to do small improvements as the huge talent is getting older and are running out of years on their contract.

[Sick Dog]

If you draft Joeckel instead of paying Albert, you are essentially saying that Albert is equal to #1 overall pick plus $3-4mm/yr cap money. Albert is a good LT. Why are we replacing our best players with the #1 pick?

Everyone is speculating here as mentioned and I am going to as well...maybe Albert's injury back I believe is more significant than we know and you can't go giving contracts to a player who may have this lingering issue...As far as Alex Smith is concerned you need someone to play QB and to all the Geno lovers...MyManHali...there is not a QB from what the experts are saying and I am not one of them that can start right away so at least they are potentially getting someone who can start right away.

[N TX Dave]

Smith only has two more years on his contract. Smith's projected cap figures for the three years of his contract are $9.25 million in 2012, $9.75 million in 2013, and $8.75 million in 2014.

As far a Albert goes who says that the Chiefs don't want him, for all we know the Chiefs might have offered him a good contract and Albert might want to see what he can get in the free market or him might want out of KC so it might be Albert's fault he does not have a contract.

Why is it always the Chiefs fault when there is a contract problem? Last year people jumped all over the Chiefs for letting Carr sign a $50 million contract with his home town Cowboys. They would have had to pay more to keep him here so if you take $10 million ore out of the cap we are now down to around $8 million about the rookie hit this year. This is not Madden FB were you can get the best players in every position.

Mymanhali is has been nice knowing you because the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Geno with the first pick.

[texaschief]

If you draft Joeckel instead of paying Albert, you are essentially saying that Albert is equal to #1 overall pick plus $3-4mm/yr cap money. Albert is a good LT. Why are we replacing our best players with the #1 pick?


No, it's saying that a #1 overall LT+$3-4M/yr cap money is GREATER than Albert-$3-4M/yr cap money. If taking the best player in the draft was a lateral move, I wouldn't be for it either.

[Lord-Chiefy]

Bye mymanorton..errrrrrr..mymanhali.....lmao

[slc chief]

according to this report even the cardinals think k.c is where smith will go


The Arizona Cardinals (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) will check in on the availability of San Francisco 49ers (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF) quarterback Alex Smith (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/player/alexsmith/2506410/profile). They just don't expect much to come of it.
Schein: Smith perfect for Chiefs
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2012/08/23/0ap1000000053195.jpgAlex Smith to the Chiefs? Adam Schein says he couldn't think of a more perfect trade for Andy Reid and Co. to pull off. More ... (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145455/article/alex-smith-to-kansas-city-chiefs-is-a-trade-that-would-make-sense?icampaign=ATL_newsdriver)



NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday on "NFL Total Access" that the Cardinals (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) are interested in Smith, but they are extremely pessimistic a deal with the Niners will happen because they share the same division.
The Cardinals (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) -- like the rest of the football world -- believe the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC) are the frontrunners to land Smith. That won't stop Arizona from inquiring. One source told Rapoport: "Nothing to lose."
Rapoport has been told the Cleveland Browns (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE) also are "in the picture."
This all makes sense. Despite a Sunday report that a Smith deal was "effectively complete (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/305812341730189312)," the 49ers (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF) would be foolish to turn their backs on another team that might offer a better package than the Chie -- sorry, mystery team.
Follow Dan Hanzus on Twitter @DanHanzus (https://twitter.com/DanHanzus).

[Seek]

From what I have heard and this is just rumors on the radia, but Albert is asking for a lot. (source may have been Nick Athan but that was over a week ago so I am not sure) Something like 15 million a year for 5 years. Still uncertain on how his back is.

[texaschief]

From what I have heard and this is just rumors on the radia, but Albert is asking for a lot. (source may have been Nick Athan but that was over a week ago so I am not sure) Something like 15 million a year for 5 years. Still uncertain on how his back is.


That's his franchise tag #. Branden Albert does not deserve to be paid like a top 5 tackle in this league. End of conversation. If that's his number, it's gonna make the Chiefs' first round decision REALLY effin easy.

[Ryfo18]

Cool so this team is in way better shape w/ Smith + Joeckel instead of Cassel + Albert.

What a disaster.

[brdempsey69]

From what I have heard and this is just rumors on the radia, but Albert is asking for a lot. (source may have been Nick Athan but that was over a week ago so I am not sure) Something like 15 million a year for 5 years. Still uncertain on how his back is.

If Albert is wanting that much, then I do hope the deal for Alex Smith does go through and they do draft Joeckel. Albert is NOT worth that much. He isn't even in the top 3 of LT's in the AFC West division, let alone the NFL. Let him walk.

[Coach]

It's looking like the Joeckel lovers are gonna get your wish. I better see this team go sign a big time free agent with this cap money they supposedly saved by replacing our already good LT.

[texaschief]

It's looking like the Joeckel lovers are gonna get your wish. I better see this team go sign a big time free agent with this cap money they supposedly saved by replacing our already good LT.

He's wanting $15m/yr for 5 years. You honestly think he's worth that??

[brdempsey69]

He's wanting $15m/yr for 5 years. You honestly think he's worth that??

Don't the Chiefs have a compensatory pick ( 3rd rounder ?? ) for Carr in the upcoming draft and could they not get a a compensatory pick regarding Albert if he walks? Why, yes, of course.

Not saying that the cost for Alex Smith wasn't high. It was. But, knowing the Chiefs history like I do, the most successful QB's they've had, have come from trade or FA -- not through the draft. Every QB that they've drafted since 1970 has been a BUST.

[Ryfo18]

It's looking like the Joeckel lovers are gonna get your wish. I better see this team go sign a big time free agent with this cap money they supposedly saved by replacing our already good LT.

Dont worry, tgey'll use that money to sign Alex to a 5-year extension...I feel like I've seen this before.

[Coach]

He's wanting $15m/yr for 5 years. You honestly think he's worth that??

No. But he's not asking for that. Where did you read that he is wanting $15m/yr? I think you are referring to a franchise tag number, but even that is not $15m. The highest paid LT in the league makes less than $12mm/yr. He isn't asking for $15mm per season. He could probably be signed for something around $10mm per year. William Beatty got $8m/yr yesterday. Albert would be somewhere between there and the highest paid.

Just saying that that your argument for replacing one of the best left tackles in the league is to save cap space so we can spend it on free agents. I'm gonna be really f'ing disappointed when we come in $10mm under the cap as we do every year and will have wasted our #1 overall pick on a LT.

[texaschief]

No. But he's not asking for that. Where did you read that he is wanting $15m/yr? I think you are referring to a franchise tag number, but even that is not $15m. The highest paid LT in the league makes less than $12mm/yr. He isn't asking for $15mm per season. He could probably be signed for something around $10mm per year. William Beatty got $8m/yr yesterday. Albert would be somewhere between there and the highest paid.

Just saying that that your argument for replacing one of the best left tackles in the league is to save cap space so we can spend it on free agents. I'm gonna be really f'ing disappointed when we come in $10mm under the cap as we do every year and will have wasted our #1 overall pick on a LT.

I can't find where I saw it but I was definitely shocked when I read it. I agree that he'll probably end up signing somewhere in the $8-10m range. I don't think this administration is going to sit on excess cap space the way Pioli did. I don't understand Pioli's approach hardly at all. This team needed to be spending money to get better and they didn't. Perhaps Pioli has a good explanation for that... but until I hear it, I'll remain confused. I think these guys understand this franchise is built to win right now. I think that's one of the biggest reasons they went after Alex Smith instead of one of the rookies. They need to turn this thing around immediately and they're going to use everything at their disposal.