CHIEFS VS SAINTS 1st PRESEASON GAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Couldn't wait till tomorrow just to pumped up to see this team play after the loss season of a year ago.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coach]

Me too. Excited to see what our new offense looks like.

[TopekaRoy]

I was just about to start the "official" game day thread but Matthew beat me to it! No problem.

I'm not expecting much out of the first preseason game on the road with a new coach, new offense, and a new QB. I am excited to see what Smith brings to the passing game and anxious to see if our o-line can protect him. The Saints offense isn't very good so if our first string can score and not turn the ball over, I'll be happy.

I do think the Chiefs can be pretty good this year and compete for a wild-card spot, but I won't panic if they aren't all on the same page this early in preseason. It may take a few more weeks for them to "gel" and they still have a month to get ready for opening day.

[matthewschiefs]

I was just about to start the "official" game day thread but Matthew beat me to it! No problem.

I'm not expecting much out of the first preseason game on the road with a new coach, new offense, and a new QB. I am excited to see what Smith brings to the passing game and anxious to see if our o-line can protect him. The Saints offense isn't very good so if our first string can score and not turn the ball over, I'll be happy.

I do think the Chiefs can be pretty good this year and compete for a wild-card spot, but I won't panic if they aren't all on the same page this early in preseason. It may take a few more weeks for them to "gel" and they still have a month to get ready for opening day.

No one should The first preseason game tells you nothing it's more of a the team is back playing thing that gets the fans going more then anything else. If this team does come out and lay an egg in the first preseason game just remember how good they looked last season in the 1st preseason game. And how that season turned out. The time to be worried will be if they don't show any growth in the preseason or like last year take a step back during the preseason. But the 1st game shouldn't worry anyone it's just a shake the game rust off thing. But it will be fun to see the Chiefs playing again

[Justin5772002]

Yes I can't freaking wait for this season never been so excited for a season to begin before

[Coach]

Andy Reid > Romeo Crennel
Alex Smith > Matt Cassel/Quinn/Stanzi/Palko

This team improved in the most important areas in my opinion. I do worry about the defense. Romeo definitely turned this defense around when he showed up. I hope they don't revert to the pre-Romeo defense.

[rodu]

please, no significant injuries in meaningless games

[Chiefster]

Don't care that it's only pre-season, GO CHIEFS!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

In my previous post, I meant to say that the Saints defense isn't that good. Obviously their starting offense is pretty decent. They will be a good test for our secondary.

As long as nobody gets hurt I'll be happy.

[Miller]

I am just glad it is Football season...Whew feels good

[brdempsey69]

In my previous post, I meant to say that the Saints defense isn't that good. Obviously their starting offense is pretty decent. They will be a good test for our secondary.

As long as nobody gets hurt I'll be happy.

THIS !!!! The casualty list is growing league-wide & I want the Chiefs to get out of this pre-season with everybody in one piece and ready to play on opening day of the regular season.

[Lord-Chiefy]

Ummm we will probably lose. And for any of you who doesn't think winning matters in the preseason pull your head out of the Sun don't shine

[Lord-Chiefy]

We have lost the last seven preseason games hmm funny how last couple seasons suck too

[#58ChiefsFan]

Alex Smith playing a full quarter will be a nice change and well needed, not a lot of time left to get this thing going. Simple execution is all I want to see, its been a couple years since we've had that.

[matthewschiefs]

Ummm we will probably lose. And for any of you who doesn't think winning matters in the preseason pull your head out of the Sun don't shine

It doesn't the year the Pats went 16-0 they were 0-4 in the preseason The year the lions went 0-16 they went 4-0 in the preseason. Last year the Eagles went 4-0 in the preseason and then had the worse record in the time that Andy Reid was there. The biggest thing to see in the preseason is seeing the team taking steps forward and not backwards

[slc chief]

anybody who says pre season games do not matter is high. especially if they are a chief fan. do they not remember russel wilsons coming out party against us last year. do the wins losses mean much no. but you can get a very good feel on how the team is going to gel. and how much depth and talent is actually on the roster. we will learn some important stuff tonight and even more in games 2 &3

[MyManHali]

Preseason is important, will be watching Smith and Fisher closely tonight.

[matthewschiefs]

anybody who says pre season games do not matter is high. especially if they are a chief fan. do they not remember russel wilsons coming out party against us last year. do the wins losses mean much no. but you can get a very good feel on how the team is going to gel. and how much depth and talent is actually on the roster. we will learn some important stuff tonight and even more in games 2 &3

Preseason is important in a lot ways. It's where spots are won and loss on the team. From a win loss standpoint it's not important at all for just that reason. Coaches don't make choices that are going all out to win the game. They sometimes decided to do something they wouldn't in a real game to give a guy a look and see what he can do they are trying to give every one a chance to make the team. They also don't gameplan for the team they will be faceing they plan to do things that they want to see guys do. So preseason is Very important to a team. But wins and losses are no so much

[MyManHali]

The offense should look good tonight since we play the Saints, but we have Smith so who knows.

[matthewschiefs]

The offense should look good tonight since we play the Saints, but we have Smith so who knows.

Smith did good against much better ds but oh wait you don't like him so that never happened sorry i forgot

[TopekaRoy]

I'm so ticked off. I came to a bar to watch the Chiefs on TV because they have wi-fi and I can watch the Bears at the same time on my laptop. Now they didn't pay their bill, so no wi-fi and no tv. I'm tethered to my 3g cell phone right now but it's way to slow to stream both games at once on my laptop. :(

But the Bears starters aren't expected to play much (some not at all) so I will join the Chiefs game in progress. Keep me updated here on how they look.

[2010chiefs]

Anyone know of a site i can watch the game on??

[TopekaRoy]

Anyone know of a site i can watch the game on??

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/200021/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-new-orleans-saints.html

[Chiefster]

Here we go!

[matthewschiefs]

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/200021/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-new-orleans-saints.html

Thats showing the vikes game

[matthewschiefs]

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/200020/2/watch-houston-texans-vs-minnesota-vikings.html

This is actualy the chiefs

[TopekaRoy]

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/200020/2/watch-houston-texans-vs-minnesota-vikings.html

This is actualy the chiefs

I didn't actually check the link to see if it was good. There are 6 different links on that page. One of them has to be good.

So how do the Chiefs look so far?

[matthewschiefs]

Touchdown kansas city

[Chiefster]

Gotta tell ya we looked mighty good there!

[TopekaRoy]

Touchdown kansas city

How did it happen?

[Lord-Chiefy]

It doesn't the year the Pats went 16-0 they were 0-4 in the preseason The year the lions went 0-16 they went 4-0 in the preseason. Last year the Eagles went 4-0 in the preseason and then had the worse record in the time that Andy Reid was there. The biggest thing to see in the preseason is seeing the team taking steps forward and not backwards

Were not the pats.. we need wins!!

[Lord-Chiefy]

Dick and dunk right to the 1 yd line punch in

[matthewschiefs]

Looking good so far

[Chiefster]

Nice run back

[MyManHali]

Dick and dunk right to the 1 yd line punch in


This is what worries me. We saw Cassel do this against scrub d's similar to what Smith just did.

[matthewschiefs]

This is what worries me. We saw Cassel do this against scrub d's similar to what Smith just did.


He takes us down for a td completed every pass but 1 that was a throw away and you're still whineing?????????????????????

Not every pass is going to be a 90 yard bomb and the short passing game IS ANDY REIDS system

[Lord-Chiefy]

10 to nothing Dexter McCluster had 55 yard punt return did not get a first down. Got FG

[Chiefster]

First string is out and that is fine with me, I saw what I needed to see.

[Lord-Chiefy]

What worries me is they took Smith out should have them in for at least half the game

[matthewschiefs]

What worries me is they took Smith out should have them in for at least half the game

That will be game 3 the next game he will play more then the 3rd game he plays the first half and a drive after most likely

[matthewschiefs]

First BS call of the year of course Mike Carry loves to call bs calls against us

[brdempsey69]

First string is out and that is fine with me, I saw what I needed to see.

And Eric Fisher didn't look too bad going up against former 1st round pick Cameron Jordan, now did he?

I watched Fisher closely on every one of those snaps and he's off to a good start.

[matthewschiefs]

Pretty sure this now also now the 2nd sting d don't see Hali houston out there

[matthewschiefs]

Saints 1st string against our 2nd string this isn't going to end well

[matthewschiefs]

LOL thats preseason football right there

[matthewschiefs]

If the 2nd stringers can hold that saints 1st string to 3 that wouldn't be so bad

[MyManHali]

He takes us down for a td completed every pass but 1 that was a throw away and you're still whineing?????????????????????

Not every pass is going to be a 90 yard bomb and the short passing game IS ANDY REIDS system


It was a good drive, but we saw Cassel dink and dunk against scrub d's. So what.

[matthewschiefs]

It was a good drive, but we saw Cassel dink and dunk against scrub d's. So what.


It just proves my point no matter what Smith does you will find some reason to whine about him. Andy Reids system is the short passing game. That's what he does. It's what he's going to have Smith do. There was nothing to complain about from Alex in his short time out there yet here you are again comparing him to Cassel. It will never be good enough for you

[MyManHali]

It just proves my point no matter what Smith does you will find some reason to whine about him. Andy Reids system is the short passing game. That's what he does. It's what he's going to have Smith do. There was nothing to complain about from Alex in his short time out there yet here you are again comparing him to Cassel. It will never be good enough for you


No, it can be. I am just not going to get excited over 1 drive against an awful defense. How many times did we see Cassel play well against scrub defenses? Now next week we play a legit d, if smith does well there, then I can start to be positive.

[matthewschiefs]

No, it can be. I am just not going to get excited over 1 drive against an awful defense.

You don't have to be excited just don't be going on and on about comparing him to Cassel based on 1 drive we haven't seen enough and again if the short passing game isn't what you want then don't watch this team it's what Andy Reid does.

[TopekaRoy]

... here you are again comparing him to Cassel. It will never be good enough for you

Smith is decent, but he's no Kyle Orton! LOL

[matthewschiefs]

Smith is decent, but he's no Kyle Orton! LOL:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[MyManHali]

You don't have to be excited just don't be going on and on about comparing him to Cassel based on 1 drive we haven't seen enough and again if the short passing game isn't what you want then don't watch this team it's what Andy Reid does.


Check the play by play.

8 attempts on that first drive for a grand total of TWO air yards, and 66 yards of YAC. The style of play is nothing we didn't see the previous 4 seasons.

[matthewschiefs]

Check the play by play.

8 attempts on that first drive for a grand total of TWO air yards, and 66 yards of YAC. The style of play is nothing we didn't see the previous 4 seasons.

And what does it matter we Scored a TD in the past 4 season we saw this team have to settle for 3 over and over again as long as he gets the ball in the endzone who cares where the yards come from. All that matters is if you can walk away with the td or not.

And yet again I tell you that's what Andy Reid does. The short Quick passes. If you want to see something else go watch anther team.

[matthewschiefs]

ok we just got a break back from the refs so we are even I guess lol

[doobs_05]

I think Smith >= Cassel (not much tho) but i'll wait til the season starts before i proclaim smith good/great or not

[doobs_05]

FYI, heard mallet got hurt in the NE game


TEBOW TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! F__K YEAH!!

(really want that kid to make it)

[matthewschiefs]

FYI, heard mallet got hurt in the NE game


TEBOW TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! F__K YEAH!!

(really want that kid to make it)

So do I only so the donkeys look at what could have been lol

[doobs_05]

So do I only so the donkeys look at what could have been lol

Yep, and NFL needs more players with his attitude off the field

[matthewschiefs]

NICE stop on 4th

[matthewschiefs]

Yep, and NFL needs more players with his attitude off the field


Very true this offseason shows that

[matthewschiefs]

Go for it why not lol

[matthewschiefs]

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher (https://twitter.com/adamteicher)18s (https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/366007309412995074)
Eric fisher was just taken to chiefs locker room by doctors
First UT OH

[matthewschiefs]

Now we might see some downfield passing in the 2 minuit drill

[matthewschiefs]

2nd half should get a look at Bray so that's something to look forward to

[matthewschiefs]

This Agnew guy isn't going to last long if he doesn't get his stuff together

[brdempsey69]

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher (https://twitter.com/adamteicher)18s (https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/366007309412995074)
Eric fisher was just taken to chiefs locker room by doctors
First UT OH

What's the deal here? I hope it's nothing major.

Elsewhere, Geno Smith limps off the field with ankle problem.

**EDIT**

Nevermind, Fisher is on the sideline, so it's nothing major.

[matthewschiefs]

What's the deal here? I hope it's nothing major.

Elsewhere, Geno Smith limps off the field with ankle problem.

Don't think it was much Think they did some xrays on his hand they were negitive think he just got dinged up a bit

[matthewschiefs]

And there's one of those grand turnovers where have I seen that before

[matthewschiefs]

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher (https://twitter.com/adamteicher)20m (https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/366012903721148416)
Eric Fisher is back on Chiefs bench. Whatever it is doesn't appear serious

[matthewschiefs]

PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

They are just going after Agnew and he can't stop anyone Don't think I would be feeling to safe about making the team right now if I were him

[brdempsey69]

They are just going after Agnew and he can't stop anyone Don't think I would be feeling to safe about making the team right now if I were him

You are right. Poor Agnew is really having a tough time.

[matthewschiefs]

I think both Tds for the saints were against Agnew

[matthewschiefs]

GREAT return

[matthewschiefs]

Had a chance to get a td there but had a dropped pass that last drive looked like last season

[brdempsey69]

Had a chance to get a td there but had a dropped pass that last drive looked like last season

Yeah, I thought Kelce should have had that one.

[matthewschiefs]

Stanzi time

[matthewschiefs]

Anther ugly drive

[matthewschiefs]

Breaston is playing for the saints hope he understands there offense lol

[matthewschiefs]

This drive is the ballgame

[matthewschiefs]

Chiefs had some chances in the passing game but like the past few season drops hurt them

[matthewschiefs]

Ok someone has to say it Cassel cost us the game tonight

[2010chiefs]

I thought overall the first team and special teams stood out and played really well. I'm excited about our special teams. Bray played better then Stanzi. Knile Davis looks like the real deal if he can hold on to the ball. The Jamal Charles and Alex Smith combo looked like a match made in heaven. I Know it's just one preseason game but that's what I got from it. GO CHIEFS!

[matthewschiefs]

I thought overall the first team and special teams stood out and played really well. I'm excited about our special teams. Bray played better then Stanzi. Knile Davis looks like the real deal if he can hold on to the ball. The Jamal Charles and Alex Smith combo looked like a match made in heaven. I Know it's just one preseason game but that's what I got from it. GO CHIEFS!

The d was also solid outside of Agnew he was the only real stand out negative from the game outside of the big drops that really could have made a difference in the outcome

[Lord-Chiefy]

Another lost game and season..wow just wow

[Lord-Chiefy]

156 & 59 lol that's our passing and rushing yard!! Nit for the half for the game. 15 1st downs. We gave up 4 sacks and over 450yards on D. I don't want to hear it's a meaningless game!!!!

[MyManHali]

And what does it matter we Scored a TD in the past 4 season we saw this team have to settle for 3 over and over again as long as he gets the ball in the endzone who cares where the yards come from. All that matters is if you can walk away with the td or not.

And yet again I tell you that's what Andy Reid does. The short Quick passes. If you want to see something else go watch anther team.



It will matter when it's third and long.

[matthewschiefs]

The saints made a living throw the ball against Agnew in the 2nd half he won't be in the game when it's the real season he might have just played his way off the team. Calm down it's game 1 preseason

[matthewschiefs]

It will matter when it's third and long.

Did we see Smith in a 3rd in long tonight? No we didn't so we can't yet judge what he will do when it's 3rd and long. When we see him fail in 3rd and long then we can complain but not when he has had 1 drive and scored a touchdown on that drive. You're just complaining to complain about the qb you don't like

[matthewschiefs]

To show the sky is not falling and the 1st preseason game means very little take a look at this from the 1st preseason game a year ago and how awesome the team looked. And remember just how bad the season was

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=boxscore

[MyManHali]

Did we see Smith in a 3rd in long tonight? No we didn't so we can't yet judge what he will do when it's 3rd and long. When we see him fail in 3rd and long then we can complain but not when he has had 1 drive and scored a touchdown on that drive. You're just complaining to complain about the qb you don't like



No, the complaints are valid. We didn't throw a pass over 8 yards. All I am saying is this, don't be fooled by one drive against the worst D in the league. That is a similar mistake everyone made in 2010.

[matthewschiefs]

No, the complaints are valid. We didn't throw a pass over 8 yards. All I am saying is this, don't be fooled by one drive against the worst D in the league. That is a similar mistake everyone made in 2010.

I'm not fooled I'm not saying Smith is a lock for the pro bowl or anything of the sort. I'm just saying there was nothing to complain about when a guy gets 1 drive and takes it downfield and scores a Td. Now you are telling me not to get to excited about 1 drive but you're using 1 drive to say see hes like Cassel. That drive just happens to be the first drive of the preseason which in most cases is the most Bland generic drive a team will run all season. I'm sure they will throw passes over 8 yards during the season calm down. There's hardly anything to judge and so far the only results are positive. When that changes then you can rightfully complain but not after 1 drive

[rodu]

vanilla playcalling in a pre season game!!!! we gonna be 0-16!!!

[Chiefster]

And Eric Fisher didn't look too bad going up against former 1st round pick Cameron Jordan, now did he?

I watched Fisher closely on every one of those snaps and he's off to a good start.

Exactly, I thought Fisher had an impressive professional debut.

[Chiefster]

Another lost game and season..wow just wow

Wow, really? Based on one preseason game loss the entire season's a wash?

[matthewschiefs]

Wow, really? Based on one preseason game loss the entire season's a wash?

Yep seasons over and alex smith sucks since every pass wasn't a 99 yard bomb. FIRE DORSEY AND REID

Bring back Pioli and Cassel and hell even good old Haley?

[brdempsey69]

Yep seasons over and alex smith sucks since every pass wasn't a 99 yard bomb. FIRE DORSEY AND REID

Bring back Pioli and Cassel and hell even good old Haley?

You know, what Smith did with the Offense last night was very much like what Rich Gannon did in his heyday. And did anybody really think realistically that they were going to have the 1st-team Offense go bombs-away in the 1st pre-season game?

People forget that this team needs to be able to make the dink & dunk plays work first before worrying about the downfield stuff. They'll get around to throwing the ball downfield when the time is right.

BTW, as far as the "Alex Smith, game manager" aspect goes, am I the only one who noticed that the 49ers Defense suffered last year when the change was made at QB from Alex Smith to CK? And does anybody really believe that the Chiefs Defensive players are going to moan and groan about the Offense keeping long-term possession of the ball and keeping the Chiefs Defense off the field? Fat chance, because if that happens, then nobody is going to score much against the Chiefs Defense in 2013.

[MyManHali]

You know, what Smith did with the Offense last night was very much like what Rich Gannon did in his heyday. And did anybody really think realistically that they were going to have the 1st-team Offense go bombs-away in the 1st pre-season game?

People forget that this team needs to be able to make the dink & dunk plays work first before worrying about the downfield stuff. They'll get around to throwing the ball downfield when the time is right.

BTW, as far as the "Alex Smith, game manager" aspect goes, am I the only one who noticed that the 49ers Defense suffered last year when the change was made at QB from Alex Smith to CK? And does anybody really believe that the Chiefs Defensive players are going to moan and groan about the Offense keeping long-term possession of the ball and keeping the Chiefs Defense off the field? Fat chance, because if that happens, then nobody is going to score much against the Chiefs Defense in 2013.



He doesn't throw the ball down the field. 73% of his passes last year were under 10 yards. We can dink and dunk as Cassel did against the scrubs, but what about a legit defense? What about third and 10? Third and 12?

[TopekaRoy]

What about third and 10? Third and 12?

Don't get in 3rd and long situations. He converted a 3rd and 7 and a 3rd and 6. I love a "dink & dunk" offense, It keeps the other team's offense off the field and keeps the defense fresh. Tom Brady has had great success with that kind of offense in Foxborough.

[brdempsey69]

He doesn't throw the ball down the field. 73% of his passes last year were under 10 yards. We can dink and dunk as Cassel did against the scrubs, but what about a legit defense? What about third and 10? Third and 12?

You are missing the point completely & blatantly, I might add. Consistently moving the ball & picking up first downs aka Rich Gannon, and not being a turnover machine like Cassel was, is what your going to see mostly from Alex Smith -- as matt has pointed out to you repeatedly. Besides, this O-Line hasn't shown yet that they can consistently allow any QB to stand back in the pocket & fire the deep ball repeatedly & neither did SF's O-Line when Smith was the QB, or CK for that matter.

Smith does throw the ball down the field when the opportunities are there. If not for penalties in the 49ers game against the Bills, Smith would have gutted the Buffalo defense for 450+ yards passing in that game. A more accurate statement is that Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field 'recklessly, needlessly, or in desperation'

As for 3rd and 10 or 3rd and 12, the secret is to make the basic plays work on 1st and 2nd downs so your not in those situations -- something Cassel could not do consistently -- EVER. Smith did it repeatedly last night & he carried the Offense on that 1st series.

I suppose now that all season long that any opposing Defense that Smith has success against is automatically going to be a "scrub defense" in your mind.

[MyManHali]

You are missing the point completely & blatantly, I might add. Consistently moving the ball & picking up first downs aka Rich Gannon, and not being a turnover machine like Cassel was, is what your going to see mostly from Alex Smith -- as matt has pointed out to you repeatedly. Besides, this O-Line hasn't shown yet that they can consistently allow any QB to stand back in the pocket & fire the deep ball repeatedly & neither did SF's O-Line when Smith was the QB, or CK for that matter.

Smith does throw the ball down the field when the opportunities are there. If not for penalties in the 49ers game against the Bills, Smith would have gutted the Buffalo defense for 450+ yards passing in that game.

As for 3rd and 10 or 3rd and 12, the secret is to make the basic plays work on 1st and 2nd downs so your not in those situations -- something Cassel could not do consistently -- EVER. Smith did it repeatedly last night & he carried the Offense on that 1st series.

I suppose now that all season long that any opposing Defense that Smith has success against is automatically going to be a "scrub defense" in your mind.



No, the Saints were the worst defense in the NFL last year. Niners will be a legit test for Smith to see what our offense can do.

[brdempsey69]

No, the Saints were the worst defense in the NFL last year. Niners will be a legit test for Smith to see what our offense can do.

Doesn't mean the Saints Defense will be the worst THIS YEAR. Niners defense folded down the stretch last year and there are no guarantees they will be one the top Defenses this year. Pre-season in general is NOT a legit test. Watch the regular season game against the Giants or Bills for a legit test as both those teams seem to have the Chiefs number.

[matthewschiefs]

Doesn't mean the Saints Defense will be the worst THIS YEAR. Niners defense folded down the stretch last year and there are no guarantees they will be one the top Defenses this year. Pre-season in general is NOT a legit test. Watch the regular season game against the Giants or Bills for a legit test as both those teams seem to have the Chiefs number.

Correct lets look at the niners 2010 even Cassel lite the niners d up 2011 the niners with mainly the same d was much better. We know nothing of the NFL this year.Add to it the saints hired a brand new DC so we don't know what is going to happen with them

My man is just proving me right. He has already made up his mind that Alex Smith is going to fail. No matter what he does My man will just say Yeah But. We can only judge what we have seen on the field right now Smith is 1 drive 1 TD. NOTHING to complain about. Nothing to say yep he's going to take us to the superbowl but so far so good. 1 drive which as I stated before in most cases is the most bland drive a team will run all year long. So while there's nothing to get excited over and say Smith is THE GUY it is at least a baby step in the right direction game 3 of the preseason is when we will see a glimpse of what Smith is going to do. That's as close to a real game we will see all preseason

[brdempsey69]

Correct lets look at the niners 2010 even Cassel lite the niners d up 2011 the niners with mainly the same d was much better. We know nothing of the NFL this year.Add to it the saints hired a brand new DC so we don't know what is going to happen with them

My man is just proving me right. He has already made up his mind that Alex Smith is going to fail. No matter what he does My man will just say Yeah But. We can only judge what we have seen on the field right now Smith is 1 drive 1 TD. NOTHING to complain about. Nothing to say yep he's going to take us to the superbowl but so far so good. 1 drive which as I stated before in most cases is the most bland drive a team will run all year long. So while there's nothing to get excited over and say Smith is THE GUY it is at least a baby step in the right direction game 3 of the preseason is when we will see a glimpse of what Smith is going to do. That's as close to a real game we will see all preseason

I personally was at that Niners game on Sept. 26, 2010, and I can tell you for a fact that Alex Smith was NOT the reason the Niners lost. In fact, Smith was one of the few Niners players that didn't quit or give up in spite of a hopeless situation.

For me, there is something to get excited about if Smith can run this new Offense under Andy Reid and play QB in the manner that Rich Gannon did. Gannon just drove opposing Defenses insane by constantly making the little plays work and converting 3rd down into 1st and keeping possession of the ball. If the Chiefs can get that type of QB play from Alex Smith this year, and not have their Defense constantly being on the field ( and constantly defending a short field ), then nobody is going to score a whole lot against them. If they are constantly going 3 and out or turning it over in their own territory like last year, then forget it -- they might as well send the damn cheerleaders out to play Defense.

[TopekaRoy]

... We can only judge what we have seen on the field ...

Here is what I saw:

I saw a QB who was firmly in control of his offense and did everything he wanted to do. He was 7 of 8 for 68 yards of an 80 yd TD drive with a passer rating of 102.1. He completed every single pass he threw except for one when everyone was covered and he wisely threw it away out of bounds. And most importantly, he didn't turn the ball over!

What is surprising is he didn't use his wide receivers at all in that drive. How much more explosive can this offense be when Bowe and Baldwin get invoved?

I saw the Chiefs offense get 6 first downs in that drive and only two of them came after 3rd down. And he did all of this without much of a running attack which we know will be one of the best in the NFL, this year.

The play calling was very vanilla and, yes, it was against a suspect defense. But my focus was on execution and the passes were crisp and on target and our receivers didn't drop them.

I'm anxious to see them air it out more and get the running game going and I'm sure we will see how they do with that in the near future. But right now I'm not too concerned with what we didn't see. I care about what we did see.

And I liked what I saw.

[MyManHali]

Correct lets look at the niners 2010 even Cassel lite the niners d up 2011 the niners with mainly the same d was much better. We know nothing of the NFL this year.Add to it the saints hired a brand new DC so we don't know what is going to happen with them

My man is just proving me right. He has already made up his mind that Alex Smith is going to fail. No matter what he does My man will just say Yeah But. We can only judge what we have seen on the field right now Smith is 1 drive 1 TD. NOTHING to complain about. Nothing to say yep he's going to take us to the superbowl but so far so good. 1 drive which as I stated before in most cases is the most bland drive a team will run all year long. So while there's nothing to get excited over and say Smith is THE GUY it is at least a baby step in the right direction game 3 of the preseason is when we will see a glimpse of what Smith is going to do. That's as close to a real game we will see all preseason



All I am saying it is the Saints, who will most likely have one of the worst defenses in the NFL. I don't believe their 2 betteer defensive players played; Vilma and Smith. Everyone is jumping up and down about ONE drive against a scrub defense. We have seen this before and there is no reason to get excited.

We will see what happens against SF, a legit defense.

[#58ChiefsFan]

The first team players passes were caught in stride which is something that has been severely lacking during the previous regime. That's all I really wanted to see in the first game along with no injuries.

[MyManHali]

Correct lets look at the niners 2010 even Cassel lite the niners d up 2011 the niners with mainly the same d was much better. We know nothing of the NFL this year.Add to it the saints hired a brand new DC so we don't know what is going to happen with them

My man is just proving me right. He has already made up his mind that Alex Smith is going to fail. No matter what he does My man will just say Yeah But. We can only judge what we have seen on the field right now Smith is 1 drive 1 TD. NOTHING to complain about. Nothing to say yep he's going to take us to the superbowl but so far so good. 1 drive which as I stated before in most cases is the most bland drive a team will run all year long. So while there's nothing to get excited over and say Smith is THE GUY it is at least a baby step in the right direction game 3 of the preseason is when we will see a glimpse of what Smith is going to do. That's as close to a real game we will see all preseason


By the way the Niners d in 10 wasn't bad like the Saints were last year.

[matthewschiefs]

All I am saying it is the Saints, who will most likely have one of the worst defenses in the NFL. I don't believe their 2 betteer defensive players played; Vilma and Smith. Everyone is jumping up and down about ONE drive against a scrub defense. We have seen this before and there is no reason to get excited.

We will see what happens against SF, a legit defense.

No ones jumping up and down.

You just came on complaing that they didn't just air the ball out. All I and others have said is so far so good and that there is nothing to complain about. Find me one person who said that Alex has proven anything. He looked good last night. That's all that has been said. When we see him fail constantly on 3rd and long. Then we can worry until then just watch and see. There's no need to sit here and go on and on about "dink and dunk". It was 1 drive. That's hardly a fair range to judge a guy one way or anther. But that's what you want to do.

So ok if we are going to judge on the 1st game of the preseason I want you to compare your boy Geno to Cassel. His average was 6.7 YPC last night so wasn't he dinking and dunking or does he get more time then 1 preseason game because you happen to like him. See how silly this talk about dink and dunk is after 1 drive.

[matthewschiefs]

By the way the Niners d in 10 wasn't bad like the Saints were last year.

No it wasn't but they were still bad the next year they were damn good just because somethings the case last year doesn't mean it will be the case this yer. Otherwise the same exact teams would go to the playoffs every year. That's just not the case

[Seek]

Wow mmh is so dang bitter I am watching the game right now. Second pass was 7 yards to fasano. So while it was not 30 yards it was more than the stated2. This is andy reid football ger used to it.

[brdempsey69]

Wow mmh is so dang bitter I am watching the game right now. Second pass was 7 yards to fasano. So while it was not 30 yards it was more than the stated2. This is andy reid football ger used to it.

Very few ever stop to think that just maybe Reid's Offense is a better fit for Alex Smith than what Smith was working with in SF and that Reid was smart enough to see that for many years & that's why Reid went after Smith when he had the chance.

[SloJimFizz]

Wow mmh is so dang bitter I am watching the game right now. Second pass was 7 yards to fasano. So while it was not 30 yards it was more than the stated2. This is andy reid football ger used to it.

To make his argument sound better he averaged it out himself, like the flare pass to Charles behind the line= -2 yards air time. It's all about the downfeild air time baby.
I thought his passes were crisp and led the reciever in stride, and the short passing game is just an extension of the run game imo.

[brdempsey69]

The comparisons between Cassel and Alex Smith are totally ludicrous. Alex Smith has always had much more poise and awareness in the passing pocket than Cassel has ever had. It's not even remotely close. Go watch the completion to Charles that put the ball inside the 5-yard line last Friday night. I'll bet money that Cassel doesn't make that completion.

Smith also does a much better job of reading defenses than Cassel ever could. The Saints were dropping 7 and 8 guys into coverage on every single passing play & Smith read it perfectly and went to the open man underneath their coverage instead of trying to needlessly force the ball down the field & that's the type of poise and patience the Chiefs haven't had at QB for many years since Trent Green was there.

[MyManHali]

The comparisons between Cassel and Alex Smith are totally ludicrous. Alex Smith has always had much more poise and awareness in the passing pocket than Cassel has ever had. It's not even remotely close. Go watch the completion to Charles that put the ball inside the 5-yard line last Friday night. I'll bet money that Cassel doesn't make that completion.

Smith also does a much better job of reading defenses than Cassel ever could. The Saints were dropping 7 and 8 guys into coverage on every single passing play & Smith read it perfectly and went to the open man underneath their coverage instead of trying to needlessly force the ball down the field & that's the type of poise and patience the Chiefs haven't had at QB for many years since Trent Green was there.


That is all Alex Smith does is throw checkdowns. 73% of his passes last year were under 10 yards. He and Cassel are very similar.

That will be our offense, you wait and see. It is going to be checkdown city, and when we play against legit d's that can cover it ain't gonna be pretty.

[matthewschiefs]

That is all Alex Smith does is throw checkdowns. 73% of his passes last year were under 10 yards. He and Cassel are very similar.

That will be our offense, you wait and see. It is going to be checkdown city, and when we play against legit d's that can cover it ain't gonna be pretty.

Cassel and smith are similar is some ways but there is a big difference in Smith is more accurate and makes better decisions one of the things that stuck with me from the one drive oddly enough was the 1 incomplete pass that Smith threw. Smith kept the play going with his legs a bit then saw it wasn't there and THREW THE BALL AWAY. That's something we didn't see from Cassel. He would have tried to force a pass or would have just held on to the ball and taken a sack. That's a pretty big difference from what we've seen from Cassel. If Cassel was a touch more accurate with his throws and made better decisions then he would be a good QB. He just hasn't shown that ability

[brdempsey69]

That is all Alex Smith does is throw checkdowns. 73% of his passes last year were under 10 yards. He and Cassel are very similar.

That will be our offense, you wait and see. It is going to be checkdown city, and when we play against legit d's that can cover it ain't gonna be pretty.

That's funny, I saw Smith repeatedly throw the ball down the field against the same Buffalo Defense that smothered Cassel and the rest of the Chiefs Offense just a few games before & Smith would have had around 450 yards passing if not for a couple of penalties. I also saw him him makes some some nice medium distance throws against GB on opening day last year ( and other teams for that matter ).

I also saw Alex Smith carry the Niners to their playoff win over the Saints in the post-season after 2011 -- both with his arm and his legs. Cassel could have never done that.

Cassel and Smith are only similar in your mind. They aren't similar on the football field when it comes to taking care of the football or when it comes to pocket poise and pocket presence or reading opposing defenses. I've seen repeated evidence of that -- even up close and personal.

And good luck finding any LB or Safety that can cover a healthy Jamaal Charles one-on-one on a repeated basis throughout a game. Point is the Defense can't take away everything & basically what you are trying to say is Alex Smith has no ability to throw the ball down field and that just isn't true. He can, but his main objective is the first down marker -- very much like Rich Gannon in his heyday.

[MyManHali]

That's funny, I saw Smith repeatedly throw the ball down the field against the same Buffalo Defense that smothered Cassel and the rest of the Chiefs Offense just a few games before & Smith would have had around 450 yards passing if not for a couple of penalties. I also saw him him makes some some nice medium distance throws against GB on opening day last year ( and other teams for that matter ).

I also saw Alex Smith carry the Niners to their playoff win over the Saints in the post-season after 2011 -- both with his arm and his legs. Cassel could have never done that.

Cassel and Smith are only similar in your mind. They aren't similar on the football field when it comes to taking care of the football or when it comes to pocket poise and pocket presence or reading opposing defenses. I've seen repeated evidence of that -- even up close and personal.

And good luck finding any LB or Safety that can cover a healthy Jamaal Charles one-on-one on a repeated basis throughout a game. Point is the Defense can't take away everything & basically what you are trying to say is Alex Smith has no ability to throw the ball down field and that just isn't true. He can, but his main objective is the first down marker -- very much like Rich Gannon in his heyday.


He did play well against the Saints, but that is clearly the exception to his usual play style. He never did anything like that before and hasn't since. He didn't have 450 passing yards against Buffalo, he had 303. In fact, he only has ONE 300 yard passing game the past 1.5 seasons and I think, dont quote me on this, 3 for HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Cassel and Smith are both checkdown crazies, you and I both know it. How do you explain his yards per season? 73% of passes under 10 yards? Never throwing for 20 tds in a year? Only three 300 yard games in 7-8 seasons?

The answer to these questions are obvious:

He is a checkdown guru.

[matthewschiefs]

He did play well against the Saints, but that is clearly the exception to his usual play style. He never did anything like that before and hasn't since. He didn't have 450 passing yards against Buffalo, he had 303. In fact, he only has ONE 300 yard passing game the past 1.5 seasons and I think, dont quote me on this, 3 for HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Cassel and Smith are both checkdown crazies, you and I both know it. How do you explain his yards per season? 73% of passes under 10 yards? Never throwing for 20 tds in a year? Only three 300 yard games in 7-8 seasons?

The answer to these questions are obvious:

He is a checkdown guru.

Let me say this again about you and your most of his pass are short pass under 10 yards. Though I'm sure you will once again just ignore it but
THAT'S ANDY REIDS SYSTEM
Don't believe me go look at Mcnabbs stats his HIGHEST Average ypc was 8.38 yet he still did well. He won in the playoffs and even went to a superbowl Did he suck to?

[MyManHali]

Let me say this again about you and your most of his pass are short pass under 10 yards. Though I'm sure you will once again just ignore it but
THAT'S ANDY REIDS SYSTEM
Don't believe me go look at Mcnabbs stats his HIGHEST Average ypc was 8.38 yet he still did well. He won in the playoffs and even went to a superbowl Did he suck to?



Mcnabb is a hell of a lot better player. Smith had a godsend of a team and coaching staff to mask his weaknesses.

By the way, you are talking about YPA, not YPC.

Friday will be the time to see what Alex Smith has against a legit defense.

[matthewschiefs]

Mcnabb is a hell of a lot better player. Smith had a godsend of a team and coaching staff to mask his weaknesses.

By the way, you are talking about YPA, not YPC.

Friday will be the time to see what Alex Smith has against a legit defense.

No I was using the average yards per complition do the math yards/completions
http://www.nfl.com/player/donovanmcnabb/2502044/careerstats a lot of those seasons it was rounded up

So by your judgement he was nothing more then anther Cassel right dink and dunk. Mcnabb career average is under 7 yards per completion. So tell me he's noddle arm Cassel 2.0

Smith isn't going to air the ball out because that's not the offense Andy Reid runs. It's the point you ignore time and time again.

[MyManHali]

No I was using the average yards per complition do the math yards/completions
http://www.nfl.com/player/donovanmcnabb/2502044/careerstats a lot of those seasons it was rounded up

So by your judgement he was nothing more then anther Cassel right dink and dunk. Mcnabb career average is under 7 yards per completion. So tell me he's noddle arm Cassel 2.0

Smith isn't going to air the ball out because that's not the offense Andy Reid runs. It's the point you ignore time and time again.



Matt, you're mistaken. The average shown there is per attempt not per completion. Divide the total yards by completions and that is your real average.

[matthewschiefs]

Matt, you're mistaken. The average shown there is per attempt not per completion. Divide the total yards by completions and that is your real average.
ok you got me i was looking at the wrong number

but even so Smith is still within a yard of Mcnabb in yards per completion
Mcnabb 11.75
Smith 11.06

So Less the a yard is difference between good and "dink and dunk" Really?

[matthewschiefs]

And also keep in mind Mcnabb got Andy Reid who turned out to be a good head coach

Smith got Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary who turned out to be horrible head coaches so Mcnabb had a better sitution then Smith unless you can finally name me someone who played well under Nolan/Singletary like I have asked time and time again

[brdempsey69]

He did play well against the Saints, but that is clearly the exception to his usual play style. He never did anything like that before and hasn't since. He didn't have 450 passing yards against Buffalo, he had 303. In fact, he only has ONE 300 yard passing game the past 1.5 seasons and I think, dont quote me on this, 3 for HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Cassel and Smith are both checkdown crazies, you and I both know it. How do you explain his yards per season? 73% of passes under 10 yards? Never throwing for 20 tds in a year? Only three 300 yard games in 7-8 seasons?

The answer to these questions are obvious:

He is a checkdown guru.

I said he would have had 450 if not for penalties <--- what part of that didn't you get?

One can easily explain his numbers in SF -- especially the 300 yd passing games. It's because of the type of Offense they've ran throughout his time in SF and the crummy coaching staffs and lack of team support that he had. BTW, CK only had one 300-yard passing game after he took over & they lost that game in the SB. 300-yard passing games don't always equal victories and is way overrated.

Smith also has had a 30-10 TD-INT ratio over the last 2 seasons. He's not a turnover machine like Cassel was.

[MyManHali]

I said he would have had 450 if not for penalties <--- what part of that didn't you get?

One can easily explain his numbers in SF -- especially the 300 yd passing games. It's because of the type of Offense they've ran throughout his time in SF and the crummy coaching staffs and lack of team support that he had. BTW, CK only had one 300-yard passing game after he took over & they lost that game in the SB. 300-yard passing games don't always equal victories and is way overrated.

Smith also has had a 30-10 TD-INT ratio over the last 2 seasons. He's not a turnover machine like Cassel was.


Smith has NEVER come close to a 27td/7int year like Cassel did in 10.

[MyManHali]

And also keep in mind Mcnabb got Andy Reid who turned out to be a good head coach

Smith got Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary who turned out to be horrible head coaches so Mcnabb had a better sitution then Smith unless you can finally name me someone who played well under Nolan/Singletary like I have asked time and time again


Yes Smith had bad coaching, I am not denying that. But even with good coaching in 2011 he didnt even average 200 ypg. It just boggles my mind that he has all of this support, yet he has similar ypg as Cassel.

[matthewschiefs]

Yes Smith had bad coaching, I am not denying that. But even with good coaching in 2011 he didnt even average 200 ypg. It just boggles my mind that he has all of this support, yet he has similar ypg as Cassel.

Because yards per game isnt everything. His passer rating is his better then Cassel under good coaching his TD/INT ratio is higher his win loss record is higher then Cassel but all you can talk about is yards You don't mention all the other stuff

[matthewschiefs]

Here's something that shows my point about yards not being everything last year the niners forced 25 turnovers that creates a short field and limits the need for yards the offense has to get. The niners also had a good defense that gets stops creating field position and thus limits the yards the offense needs Not getting a lot of yards doesn't mean the qb sucks all the time more so when the defense of a team is good

[MyManHali]

Here's something that shows my point about yards not being everything last year the niners forced 25 turnovers that creates a short field and limits the need for yards the offense has to get. The niners also had a good defense that gets stops creating field position and thus limits the yards the offense needs Not getting a lot of yards doesn't mean the qb sucks all the time more so when the defense of a team is good



Or in other words he needs a GREAT team around him to succeed.

[MyManHali]

Because yards per game isnt everything. His passer rating is his better then Cassel under good coaching his TD/INT ratio is higher his win loss record is higher then Cassel but all you can talk about is yards You don't mention all the other stuff



We have already seen this movie. The Chiefs had a quarterback who had a good rating with 27 tds on the year, yet threw for 207 yards per game. What happened? We ended up getting blown out in the playoffs. YPC aside, if we don't have a qb who can throw for a lot of yards we aren't going to win. You have to realize Smith has had only ONE 300 yard game the past 1.5 seasons. That my friend is frightening.

[chiefnut]

We have already seen this movie. The Chiefs had a quarterback who had a good rating with 27 tds on the year, yet threw for 207 yards per game. What happened? We ended up getting blown out in the playoffs. YPC aside, if we don't have a qb who can throw for a lot of yards we aren't going to win. You have to realize Smith has had only ONE 300 yard game the past 1.5 seasons. That my friend is frightening.

Russell Wilson did not have a 300yd game last year, in fact he had more games that he threw for less than 200yds than over yet he managed to win 11games and a trip to the playoffs...just sayin

[brdempsey69]

Smith has NEVER come close to a 27td/7int year like Cassel did in 10.

Who cares about Cassel's numbers in 2010. That was against the biggest cream-puff schedule that the Chiefs ever played in their history. They didn't beat one single team with a winning record that season. Look what happened in the final 2 games of that season at Arrowhead against the Raiders and the Ravens. Everybody knows Cassel's numbers in 2010 were a fluke.

Smith, on the other hand, picked right up in 2012 where he had left off in 2011. Cassel illustrated in both 2011 and 2012 that 2010 was a fluke.

[matthewschiefs]

Or in other words he needs a GREAT team around him to succeed.

AWWWW this bs again so useing this standard of yours

Peyton Manning sucks he had that great ol Marrvion Harrison, Reggie wayne,Dallas clark ,Edgrin games he had a great team around him So Peyton Manning SUCKS

Joe Montana had the greatest WR to play to game so he SUCKS as does Steve Young

Troy Aikman had those great Cowboys teams around him so He sucks

Tom Brady has always had a good team around him so He SUCKS

Why is it that you only use this standard for guys you don't like? What a QB does well with a good team around him WELL DUH You went on and on about Geno Smith he had the best WR in the country with him in Travon Austin. Funny how that doesn't lead you to think he sucks

[matthewschiefs]

We have already seen this movie. The Chiefs had a quarterback who had a good rating with 27 tds on the year, yet threw for 207 yards per game. What happened? We ended up getting blown out in the playoffs. YPC aside, if we don't have a qb who can throw for a lot of yards we aren't going to win. You have to realize Smith has had only ONE 300 yard game the past 1.5 seasons. That my friend is frightening.

Peyton Manning has throw for a ton of yards he has as many rings as Trent Dillfer

Dan Marino threw for a ton of yards I have the same amount of superbowl rings as him

Yep yards means everything

[brdempsey69]

Peyton Manning has throw for a ton of yards he has as many rings as Trent Dillfer

Dan Marino threw for a ton of yards I have the same amount of superbowl rings as him

Yep yards means everything

Add to that most recently that Matthew Stafford has passed for over 5000 yards the past two seasons, but it hasn't made Detroit one of the elite teams in the NFC, now has it? It's starting to sound like MMH is more concerned with fantasy football numbers than anything else & the comparisons of Smith and Cassel are from a fantasy football standpoint, certainly not from the standpoint of how each guy plays QB on the football field.

[MyManHali]

Let's make it simple since you two don't seem to understand that yards from the quarterback impact the game and put your team in scoring range.

A quarterback like Alex Smith who doesn't throw for yards or touchdowns is considered a what ________?

[MyManHali]

Add to that most recently that Matthew Stafford has passed for over 5000 yards the past two seasons, but it hasn't made Detroit one of the elite teams in the NFC, now has it? It's starting to sound like MMH is more concerned with fantasy football numbers than anything else & the comparisons of Smith and Cassel are from a fantasy football standpoint, certainly not from the standpoint of how each guy plays QB on the football field.



Well why dont you show me a list of the top 10 qb's ypg and the bottom 10 ypg. Let's see how many contenders are in each category, shall we?

[MyManHali]

AWWWW this bs again so useing this standard of yours

Peyton Manning sucks he had that great ol Marrvion Harrison, Reggie wayne,Dallas clark ,Edgrin games he had a great team around him So Peyton Manning SUCKS

Joe Montana had the greatest WR to play to game so he SUCKS as does Steve Young

Troy Aikman had those great Cowboys teams around him so He sucks

Tom Brady has always had a good team around him so He SUCKS

Why is it that you only use this standard for guys you don't like? What a QB does well with a good team around him WELL DUH You went on and on about Geno Smith he had the best WR in the country with him in Travon Austin. Funny how that doesn't lead you to think he sucks


Talk about going too far. I didn't say quarterbacks that have a good team around them suck, I said Alex Smith needs a good team to succeed.

He needs all the right pieces in order to do well. On the other hand you have a qb like Peyton Manning, who picks up FA WR in the middle of the year and they are still contenders.

[MyManHali]

Peyton Manning has throw for a ton of yards he has as many rings as Trent Dillfer

Dan Marino threw for a ton of yards I have the same amount of superbowl rings as him

Yep yards means everything


Was Trent Dilfer a contender every year? No.

[chiefnut]

Well why dont you show me a list of the top 10 qb's ypg and the bottom 10 ypg. Let's see how many contenders are in each category, shall we?
TOP 10 YDS/GAME QBS
drew brees, Stafford, Romo, Brady, Ryan, Peyton Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Freeman, Palmer so that means freeman and palmer are nearly as good as Rodgers and you would rather have room than brady???????...................................... the bottom 10 QBS are RGIII, Fitzpatrick, henne, tannehill, cutler, cassell, locker, Wilson, sanchez, ponder, Smith so this means Russell Wilson is the 3rd worst QB in the NFL ??????

[matthewschiefs]

Let's make it simple since you two don't seem to understand that yards from the quarterback impact the game and put your team in scoring range.

A quarterback like Alex Smith who doesn't throw for yards or touchdowns is considered a what ________?

I never said yards have 0 impact. What I have said is yards are not EVERYTHING like you're making it out to be. You are using one area to talk on to compare Smith to Cassel. You IGNORE the td/int ratio you IGNORE the QB rating smith has had under good coaching. You IGNORE the win loss record Smith has over the last couple of years. You use 1 area to say see he's like Cassel Your blind hate is clear.


Talk about going too far. I didn't say quarterbacks that have a good team around them suck, I said Alex Smith needs a good team to succeed.

He needs all the right pieces in order to do well. On the other hand you have a qb like Peyton Manning, who picks up FA WR in the middle of the year and they are still contenders.

Only for QBs you don't like do you make having a good team around him into a negative. Peyton Manning has always had good WRS around him. Yes he has made some look better but so did having all the weapons around him. When Peyton had Reggie Wayne Marrvion Harrison Dallas Clark that's who the d would be focused on so guys like Peirre Garcon would get open. Peyton Manning and every QB I noted had good teams around them but I don't here you saying that in a negative light. Yet anther Double Standard of yours.There are your rules for guys you like then there are the never good enough standards for the guys you don't like. You keep proving me right that Alex Smith will never be good enough for you it will always be Ya but




Was Trent Dilfer a contender every year? No.

Nope he wasn't but at the end of the day the fact is he has as many super bowl rings as Peyton Manning and he has more then Dan Marino so tell me again how are yards everything?

[MyManHali]

I never said yards have 0 impact. What I have said is yards are not EVERYTHING like you're making it out to be. You are using one area to talk on to compare Smith to Cassel. You IGNORE the td/int ratio you IGNORE the QB rating smith has had under good coaching. You IGNORE the win loss record Smith has over the last couple of years. You use 1 area to say see he's like Cassel Your blind hate is clear.


Where did I say it was everything? It is a major factor.



Only for QBs you don't like do you make having a good team around him into a negative. Peyton Manning has always had good WRS around him. Yes he has made some look better but so did having all the weapons around him. When Peyton had Reggie Wayne Marrvion Harrison Dallas Clark that's who the d would be focused on so guys like Peirre Garcon would get open. Peyton Manning and every QB I noted had good teams around them but I don't here you saying that in a negative light. Yet anther Double Standard of yours.There are your rules for guys you like then there are the never good enough standards for the guys you don't like. You keep proving me right that Alex Smith will never be good enough for you it will always be Ya but.

If Peyton Manning has had such a tremendous team around him, why were they 2-14 when Peyton didn't play? How did the niners do without Smith in 2012?





Nope he wasn't but at the end of the day the fact is he has as many super bowl rings as Peyton Manning and he has more then Dan Marino so tell me again how are yards everything? Where did I say that yards mean everything? They put your team in a position to score. No one can seem to give me a valid reason why Alex Smith doesn't throw for many yards or touchdowns each season.


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[matthewschiefs]

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Yards are the only thing you have been going ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT . The QB rating TD/INT Ratio has been brought up you have IGNORED this over and over again The win loss record smith has had when he got a real head coach has been brought up you IGNORED this as well All you have done is compare his yards to Cassel you have ignored the other factors

Marvion Harrison retired well no team signed him after he was somehow involed in a shooting,
BOOM 1 weapon gone
Tony Dungy retired
The O line got old like what happened in KC
Dallas clark got injured the season between luck and manning and missed a number of games
The OC that helped make Peyton Manning what he was left.
Yep they had the same team allright

I gave you a reason that played a factor in his yards not being high There D created short fields and took the ball of course since you don't like Smith the D being good means he sucks

[MyManHali]

WTF Harrison was gone in 2009.

They had a good offensive coach in Jim Caldwell. The same Jim Caldwell who took over the offense for Baltimore, who won the super bowl.

Dallas Clark played in 11 games.

They still had Wayne and Garcon.


Anyone can see that Peyton Manning made Indy. What was their record before he got there? What was it the year that he left in 2011?

And no one can answer this question:

Why hasn't Alex Smith thrown for many yards or touchdowns per season? Is he that limited?

[matthewschiefs]

WTF Harrison was gone in 2009.

They had a good offensive coach in Jim Caldwell. The same Jim Caldwell who took over the offense for Baltimore, who won the super bowl.

Dallas Clark played in 11 games.

They still had Wayne and Garcon.


Anyone can see that Peyton Manning made Indy. What was their record before he got there? What was it the year that he left in 2011? Figure it out, Jesus.

And no one can answer this question:

Why hasn't Alex Smith thrown for many yards or touchdowns per season? Is he that limited?

Caldwell proved not to be a good head coach. Dungy was the MUCH better head coach. There's a difference between being a good offensive coach and being the Head coach. For example Romeo good dc horrible HC.

You ignored the O line issue as well as the OC issue.

Harrison was better then Garcon.

missing 5 games is more then 25% of the year you do know that right?

But ya all they were missing from there hey day was manning and I didn't even mention Edgrin James he was gone to. But yep Manning was the only one they were missing. That's ESPN Bs

And again you can't go a post talking about yards then wonder why we say you make it all about yards.

But I'll answer Smith is no doubt part to blame but so is everyone else on that team. Vernon Davis pretty good Te Right one of the best in the NFL. One of the fine fine coaches that Smith had to play under said you can't play with him. Again it wasn't just Smith that struggled for all of those years it was the whole freaking team. As for When Harbaugh got there I can't really answer that I don't watch the niners much at all. But most of his time with the niners his piss poor coaching was why. And the problems you talk about Kapernick had some of the same problems as someone had mentioned he only had 1 300 yard game but you ignored that to

[MyManHali]

Caldwell proved not to be a good head coach. Dungy was the MUCH better head coach. There's a difference between being a good offensive coach and being the Head coach. For example Romeo good dc horrible HC.

You ignored the O line issue as well as the OC issue.

Harrison was better then Garcon.

missing 5 games is more then 25% of the year you do know that right?

But ya all they were missing from there hey day was manning and I didn't even mention Edgrin James he was gone to. But yep Manning was the only one they were missing. That's ESPN Bs

And again you can't go a post talking about yards then wonder why we say you make it all about yards.

But I'll answer Smith is no doubt part to blame but so is everyone else on that team. Vernon Davis pretty good Te Right one of the best in the NFL. One of the fine fine coaches that Smith had to play under said you can't play with him. Again it wasn't just Smith that struggled for all of those years it was the whole freaking team. As for When Harbaugh got there I can't really answer that I don't watch the niners much at all. But most of his time with the niners his piss poor coaching was why. And the problems you talk about Kapernick had some of the same problems as someone had mentioned he only had 1 300 yard game but you ignored that to


Since you want to get technical, let's just focus on 2009 and 2010 since they didn't have Harrison or Edgerrin James and compare it to 2011 (when they didn't have Manning).

2009: AFC South Champions; AFC Champions; Superbowl appearance. 33 touchdowns, 4500 yards, 100 Rating.

2010: AFC South Champions; Out in the first round; 33 touchdowns; 92 rating; 4700 yards


Their line in 2009 wasn't good and was one of the worst in 2010. The colts had THE SAME COORDINATOR in 10 and 11 as well as the same coach.


Concerning Alex Smith:

Still cannot come up with a valid reason for his pathetic touchdown and yards per season.

[matthewschiefs]

Since you want to get technical, let's just focus on 2009 and 2010 since they didn't have Harrison or Edgerrin James and compare it to 2011 (when they didn't have Manning).

2009: AFC South Champions; AFC Champions; Superbowl appearance. 33 touchdowns, 4500 yards, 100 Rating.

2010: AFC South Champions; Out in the first round; 33 touchdowns; 92 rating; 4700 yards


Their line in 2009 wasn't good and was one of the worst in 2010. The colts had THE SAME COORDINATOR in 10 and 11 as well as the same coach.


Concerning Alex Smith:

Still cannot come up with a valid reason for his pathetic touchdown and yards per season.

You're missing the whole point with the Colts

Don't you think if the better head coach was still there Dungy One of there biggest weapons Harrison was still there the O line was playing like they did during much of Mannings time there Edgerrin James was still there that they would have been better even without Manning. All those guys brought nothing to the table???????????????????? You really believe that? OF COURSE THEY WERE FACTORS. Losing Manning was there Death blow but they were already hit with a number of other blows they were not able to take the loss of Manning as well as they could have if all the other parts had not left.

And again you just want to ignore the piss poor coaching Smith had as not a vaild reason??????????? So i want you to rule Vernon Davis sucks Do it he didn't play well under singletary he was sent off the field it was so bad. SO hold him to that same standard he sucks right?

It's clear as day you've made up you're mind on Smith. Alex Smith has played one drive for the Chiefs took them down for a td and what did you do. You come on going dink and dunk BLAH BLAH BLAH. Whats wrong with good start keep it up. You can't do it. You clearly can't be objective when it comes to QBs. Your track record speaks for itself to argue any further at this point would be pointless. Smith will never please you.

[brdempsey69]

Let's make it simple since you two don't seem to understand that yards from the quarterback impact the game and put your team in scoring range.

And Smith passed for 68 of those 80 yards on that opening drive last Friday night to put them in scoring range. So what's your point?



A quarterback like Alex Smith who doesn't throw for yards or touchdowns is considered a what ________?

He's considered a quality QB if he takes care of the football, isn't a turnover machine like Cassel, and moves the ball and puts points on the scoreboard like he did Friday night. I'm not worried about fantasy football stats, I'm more concerned about an increase in the win column for the Chiefs this year and in the coming years and, like it or not, Alex Smith was the best QB available to help them with that.

[MyManHali]

You're missing the whole point with the Colts

Don't you think if the better head coach was still there Dungy One of there biggest weapons Harrison was still there the O line was playing like they did during much of Mannings time there Edgerrin James was still there that they would have been better even without Manning. All those guys brought nothing to the table???????????????????? You really believe that? OF COURSE THEY WERE FACTORS. Losing Manning was there Death blow but they were already hit with a number of other blows they were not able to take the loss of Manning as well as they could have if all the other parts had not left.

They were good without Dungy, James and Harrison.

And again you just want to ignore the piss poor coaching Smith had as not a vaild reason??????????? So i want you to rule Vernon Davis sucks Do it he didn't play well under singletary he was sent off the field it was so bad. SO hold him to that same standard he sucks right?

Then look at the Harbaugh season, why didn't he throw for yards/touchdowns then?

It's clear as day you've made up you're mind on Smith. Alex Smith has played one drive for the Chiefs took them down for a td and what did you do. You come on going dink and dunk BLAH BLAH BLAH. Whats wrong with good start keep it up. You can't do it. You clearly can't be objective when it comes to QBs. Your track record speaks for itself to argue any further at this point would be pointless. Smith will never please you.

I judge Smith's performance from his entire career. Those that do not like to do that, and blame it on other factors look at his only full successful season with Harbaugh. When I bring up his lack of touchdowns/yards for that year, they start talking about other quarterbacks. If he meets the requirements I posted in the other thread which are very reasonable, then I will not consider the trade to be a bust.

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[MyManHali]

And Smith passed for 68 of those 80 yards on that opening drive last Friday night to put them in scoring range. So what's your point?



He's considered a quality QB if he takes care of the football, isn't a turnover machine like Cassel, and moves the ball and puts points on the scoreboard like he did Friday night. I'm not worried about fantasy football stats, I'm more concerned about an increase in the win column for the Chiefs this year and in the coming years and, like it or not, Alex Smith was the best QB available to help them with that.

But he has not done that his entire career.

[matthewschiefs]

But he has not done that his entire career.

Again show me a QB that played well under Singletary/Nolan. You Can't you expect Smith to come into the NFL with that piss poor coaching and just lite up the league? Something Tells me if Geno's NFL coach was sending his starting TE off the field and pulling his pants down at half time like the coach Alex Smith had you would be telling us about the horrible coaching if Geno struggled. Those things are facts they happened you think any QB would come in to the NFL and lite up the league under those conditions? In one post you admit to the piss poor coaching then in the next you say it's not a valid reason. Make up your mind

In that season under Harbaugh Smith was so horrible he just had his team on the brink of the SUPERBOWL
The 2nd year he was on pace to have the 20td season before he got a concussion new league rules state that you have to miss time the old days he most likely wouldn't have missed time. Kapernick got hot and he never got a chance to start again he had 13 tds in 9 starts that's 1.4 tds a game give him 16 games of that and you have 22tds there would be your 20td season. He was on pace but got a concussion. He was also on pace to average 200 yards a game he didn't get a chance to grow in Harbaughs system but was doing well in the time he did get

[brdempsey69]

But he has not done that his entire career.

He has done that the last 2 seasons. And Andy Reid's Offense is a better system than he's ever been in before.

What makes you think that any QB that was available in the 2013 draft is going to do it their entire careers?

[tornadospotter]

All I am going to say is, Alex is our starting QB. That is it period. I remember being upset with DV bringing in Trent Green, because we destroyed him when he was playing against us while at the rams. I was sure he was not going to be any good! But he became a Chief, and our starting QB, and I support and believe in my team, so I as a fan of my Team, supported him. Was I wrong to be that way? Is Trent Green now one of the best QB in Chief's history, if he is not in your opinions, then your not a true Chief. So that being said, I gave my fan support to Cassel, he did not live up to it. Alex Smith is a Chief, and starting QB of my team, I believe in him, 1 preseason game does not prove him, only time will tell the story it will tell. But I believe in him, he is a CHIEF!
So why all the crap in this thread that is negative about this or because we did not draft a QB with the first pick crap so lets be neg about the current starter, or lets bring more crap just to fuel the bs? Stop the negative attitudes! Be Chiefs! Get excited for OUR TEAM!!!! THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get Pumped UP!!!!!! For the NEW SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:chiefs:

[MyManHali]

He has done that the last 2 seasons. And Andy Reid's Offense is a better system than he's ever been in before.

What makes you think that any QB that was available in the 2013 draft is going to do it their entire careers?


No he didn't! In 2011 he was 17th in the league in touchdowns thrown. And get this, that was his best year! 2012 was better but unfortunately he got hurt. He's injury prone, another negative about Alex Smith.

[MyManHali]

Again show me a QB that played well under Singletary/Nolan. You Can't you expect Smith to come into the NFL with that piss poor coaching and just lite up the league? Something Tells me if Geno's NFL coach was sending his starting TE off the field and pulling his pants down at half time like the coach Alex Smith had you would be telling us about the horrible coaching if Geno struggled. Those things are facts they happened you think any QB would come in to the NFL and lite up the league under those conditions? In one post you admit to the piss poor coaching then in the next you say it's not a valid reason. Make up your mind

In that season under Harbaugh Smith was so horrible he just had his team on the brink of the SUPERBOWL
The 2nd year he was on pace to have the 20td season before he got a concussion new league rules state that you have to miss time the old days he most likely wouldn't have missed time. Kapernick got hot and he never got a chance to start again he had 13 tds in 9 starts that's 1.4 tds a game give him 16 games of that and you have 22tds there would be your 20td season. He was on pace but got a concussion. He was also on pace to average 200 yards a game he didn't get a chance to grow in Harbaughs system but was doing well in the time he did get


200 yards a game?! *Insert dance GIF here.

[matthewschiefs]

No he didn't! In 2011 he was 17th in the league in touchdowns thrown. And get this, that was his best year! 2012 was better but unfortunately he got hurt. He's injury prone, another negative about Alex Smith.

He had a concussion in the old system he would have been right back out there. The new CBA brought brand new ways when it comes to head injuries Brett Farve would have missed a number of starts instead of being the iron man . But why bring that fact out when you can bash him


200 yards a game?! *Insert dance GIF here.

You asked why he had didn't average 200ypg he was on pace to do so and now you act like it's nothing like I said my man you just keep proving my point Smith will never be good enough for you. IT will always be ya but he didn't do this or he didn't do that. So far all we have seen is 1 drive as a Chief the only thing that matters. That drive was a td. What's wrong with saying good job keep it up? You can't do that. Instead it's ya but he only threw short passes. WE GET IT YOU DON'T LIKE SMITH you can stop now. Bashing him over and over again is just old. But that's ALL YOU DO. Pretty much every post you bash or throw in a little dig t him WE GET IT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You have made your opinion of him very clear. We can talk about other things. You have every right to have your opinion but to go on and on about it is VERY VERY ANNOYING.

[tornadospotter]

It is preseason, so I am closing this thread. It has ran its time long enough.