Official In Game Thread - Chiefs @ Steelers - 8/24

[TopekaRoy]

Kansas City Chiefs
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Pittsburgh Steelers
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Saturday, August 24, 6:30pm CDT
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Heinz Field
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Television coverage:
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Kansas City area---CBS 5 KCTV
Topeka, Ks---CBS 13 WIBW

Watch online:
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Pittsburgh Steelers @ FirstRowSports.com (http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/203094/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-pittsburgh-steelers.html)

[TopekaRoy]

Forecast: http://a.espncdn.com/i/weather/mobile/76.png 68 degrees, light rain
Chiefs Inside Slant from Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/report):

So intent were the Kansas City Chiefs to get rid of disappointing wide receiver Jon Baldwin they traded him away and took another disappointment in return.On Monday, the Chiefs dealt their first-round selection in the 2011 NFL Draft to San Francisco for the 49ers first-round selection in the 2012 NFL Draft, wide receiver A.J. Jenkins.
The deal came just a few days after the teams met in a preseason game, but there wasn't anything that happened out of the ordinary in that San Francisco 15-13 victory. Baldwin did not have a catch, but did drop two passes and Jenkins did not have a catch, while failing to break up a short pass that was intercepted by Kansas City cornerback Sean Smith.
"A.J. is a talented individual with a skill-set that we feel can add value to our team," said Chiefs general manager John Dorsey. "Jon Baldwin is a hardworking player and a professional. We wish him nothing but the best moving forward."
Baldwin qualifies now as the biggest draft-day disappointment of former general manager Scott Pioli's four seasons in charge of the team's personnel. Selected at No. 26 after his college career at the University of Pittsburgh, Baldwin had problems almost from his first day in the building. There were maturity and personality issues, all of which he had displayed during his time playing for Pitt.
Pioli thought the Chiefs could change that personality, but within his first weeks of training camp, he suffered a thumb injury when he got into a locker-room fight with veteran running back Thomas Jones. The fight was started by Baldwin's complaints about teammates and the work the Chiefs were doing in camp. When he got into an argument with running back Jamaal Charles it was Jones that finished the situation.
It was all part of a pattern of immaturity for Baldwin. He put in the work time and was in good physical shape, especially in the most recent offseason and the start of the 2013 training camp. His physical gifts are many, especially considering his 6-4, 230-pound size. In practices and limited game snaps he could make the impossible catch, going up with his long arms and big hands and snagging passes that should have been in the front row of the bleachers.
But Baldwin's play had no consistency; he would come back after a remarkable catch and drop a pass right in his chest. He also had the bad habit of jumping for every pass thrown to him, and that severely limited his ability to get yards after the catch. The Aliquippa, PA native caught 41 passes for 579 yards and two touchdown receptions in 26 games over two seasons. Just 154 of those yards were after the catch, or an average of less than four yards per catch. In two seasons, he was targeted by Chiefs quarterbacks 97 times, but caught just 42 percent of throws.
The Chiefs hand was tipped by head coach Andy Reid who said after the loss to San Francisco of Baldwin and his drops: "We gave him the opportunity this week and you have to catch the football. That's how it works, and he knows that and I know that. When we give you an opportunity, you have to make sure you take advantage of the opportunity. He needs to keep playing, and (when) given the opportunity, he needs to take advantage of it."
That opportunity will now happen with the 49ers.
--Bob Sutton has been around the game of football for a long time. He first coached in 1972 when he was part of Bo Schembechler's staff at the University of Michigan. Since that introduction, he's not been out of a coaching job, spending 28 seasons in the college ranks including a nine-year stint as head coach Army.
This is his 14th season in the NFL, but his first away from the New York Jets where he began work in 2000. That's 42 seasons as a coach, so he's picked up a lot of ideas, methods and schemes from many of the coaches he worked for and with. That melting pot of knowledge is showing itself right now with the Chiefs' defense.
As the coordinator of head coach Andy Reid's defense, Sutton continues to use the preseason schedule and practices as the incubation period for an entirely different mindset on defense than the Chiefs were used to in recent seasons.
With Romeo Crennel as defensive coordinator and then head coach, the Chiefs played a defensive style that would best be described as bend-but-don't-break. On the football field, there are two kinds of defenses - those that catch the force of the opponent, and those that strike first on the opponent.
This season, the Chiefs want to strike first and they want to strike with force.
"We love the scheme," said cornerback Brandon Flowers. "We are attacking the quarterback, putting pressure on the quarterback and getting him off the spot. As a defensive back, that helps us out a lot. The ball might be held one or two seconds longer, which gives us time to recover.
"That's really what the defense has been about, attacking the quarterback."
Over the last five years, the Chiefs' defense has not done a successful job of attacking the quarterback. In 80 regular-season games (2008-12), they've totaled 127 sacks or one every 20.9 passing plays. The lack of consistent pressure on the passer has made it difficult on the secondary, where they have 69 interceptions in those 80 games; last year they had only seven interceptions.
"We've put a lot of hours in at the film room," said Flowers. "Even when we leave the film room we are always talking about how we are going to play coverages. The chemistry builds every day."
Right now, Sutton's defense has had the Chiefs' players doing a lot of thinking, and that's not always good in a game where things happen as fast as they do in the NFL.
"It's challenging - the whole scheme is different than what we had," Flowers said. "That's why were in meetings all day. That's why we were in the dorm talking about in our rooms; that's why we are working so hard at getting our chemistry down so we don't have any excuses in the regular season."
Sutton's method behind dumping the whole defensive playbook on the squad is understandable.
"With the new rules set up, during the course of the season there's a lot less contact," Sutton said. "It's this time of the year where you have to build your technique base and you have to build all of the things that will carry you through the season. That's been our emphasis - technique, technique, technique. It's about breaking to the ball, making sure we can secure the tackle, the basics."
The first-team defense has gotten that done in the preseason. Over two games, opponents have scored three touchdowns, all vs. the second and third defenses. They are allowing an average of 349 offensive yards per game, but that's not resulting in touchdowns.
And the scheme is still in the learning stages as they have just two interceptions and four sacks in 76 passing plays.
But Flowers says that part of the game is coming together.
"We're definitely getting our hands on some balls," Flowers said. "We have to try to come down with every single ball we get our hands on. That's the mentality back there. I can't wait to see what's going to happen next."

[ctchiefsfan]

Thanks TopekaRoy!!!! Hoping for a more enjoyable game than last week!

[TopekaRoy]

Steelers Inside Slant (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/pit/report):

Steelers rookie running back Le'Veon Bell could return much earlier than expected from a sprained foot, coach Mike Tomlin said Thursday.Tomlin said Bell will not require surgery, as was widely reported, and that already the team has seen dramatic improvement from treatment, including more movements without pain in the past 48 hours.
The team is listing Bell's injury as a mild mid-foot sprain. Bell was ruled out of Saturday's preseason game and will be re-evaluated next week.
Bell, listed as a co-starter with Isaac Redman, was hurt during the first quarter of the Steelers' 24-13 loss to the Washington Redskins on Monday night. He underwent an MRI on Tuesday.
ESPN and NFL Network reported the Steelers sent Bell's MRI scans to Charlotte-based foot specialist Dr. Richard Anderson for a final determination regarding the severity of the injury, but that the team was anticipating the worst -- a Lisfranc foot sprain.
The second-round draft pick had missed Pittsburgh's preseason opener with soreness in his left knee. He made his NFL debut against the Redskins, rushing for nine yards on four carries before the injury.
Pittsburgh has multiple injuries to running backs. Redman is battling a stinger and LaRod Stephens-Howling (knee) and Baron Batch (stinger) also are injured.
Redman has been listed as the co-starter with Bell the past two weeks. Jonathan Dwyer, their leading rusher last season in an injury-necessitated halfback-by-committee approach, has been the most impressive runner in the preseason.
The coaches are on record saying they hoped someone would be their feature back and carry the load this season. With Bell injured, it's possible Redman and Dwyer will now share that job, as they did for a time last season when Rashard Mendenhall was injured.
"They knew we were coming into training camp with everybody competing," Redman said. "There were a lot of jobs open -- starting jobs, third-down jobs, so I'm here to compete. Now that Le'Veon is down, we're a little banged up, I'm ready to step up and lead this room."
Dwyer looked good running the ball in the second preseason game when he led them with 68 yards on 14 carries. He replaced the injured Bell to start the second series. However, he lost a fumble in the first half and that did not go over a bit with Mike Tomlin, whose team committed 30 turnovers last season and recovered only 10.
"Obviously putting the ball on the ground doesn't help him or us," Tomlin said. "But other than that, I thought he did some nice things. He had his moments."
He had his moments last season too, particularly when he topped 100 yards in two consecutive games. But he often tapped himself out of games when he got tired and then ballooned to 265 pounds this spring. He's down to 230 now and seems to be taking his profession more seriously. If he does, he has the looks of a back who can thrive in the Steelers new outside zone run-blocking scheme.
"Just one thing led to another," Dwyer said of his weight gain. "I'm not going to blame anything. It was my fault. It's not going to happen anymore."

[TopekaRoy]

Notable Quotables:

Chiefs:

"Everything is new from the quarterback to the offensive philosophy and structure. You need your starters together as often as possible so it is going to be good to get Jamaal (Charles) back this week. In this situation it's valuable to have as many reps as you can together."
—Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson on the return of injured Jamaal Charles to practice.

Steelers:

"We need to get better in a hurry."
—Coach Mike Tomlin after the Steelers slipped to 0-2 in the preseason with a dreadful showing vs. the Washington Redskins.

[Chiefster]

...A wealth of information right there, nice job Roy! :smile

[TopekaRoy]

...A wealth of information right there, nice job Roy! :smile

Thanks, Chiefster!

What I expect/hope to see in tonight's game:

1. No injuries. I don't want anyone to get seriously hurt but especially no Chiefs injuries. We don't have a lot of depth and we'll need everyone healthy to perform at a high level.

2. Eric Fisher needs to step up. I know he's a rookie and it takes time for offensive linemen especially to learn a new offense, so I don't expect him to be perfect. He's going to make mistakes early on. But he needs to show improvement from what we have seen so far. As the first pick in the draft he needs to be ready to play on opening day and, from what we have seen so far, he's still got a long way to go. The o-line in general needs to play well and protect Alex.

3. Dwayne Bowe. As our best receiving threat we need to see more from Bowe than we have so far. I expect a couple of big, or at least medium big plays tonight.

4. Donnie Avery. He is our #2 starting WR almost by default. Have we seen anything out of him yet?

5. Jammal Charles. I would prefer that he didn't play at all tonight and continue to rest that injured foot and not risk further injury. But in a new offense, with a new QB, we don't have that luxury. He needs to get some more playing time in a "real game" situation. Will there be any lingering effect from that foot injury?

6. Alex Smith. He's done a good job so far, and I want to see him continue to get better. He needs to make good decisions, not hang onto the ball too long and spread the ball around. This can be a very powerful multiple threat offense if he plays at a high level.

7. The defense. They have been impressive so far but our secondary is thin. If one of our starters were to get hurt who would be ready to step up? Maybe we'll find out tonight. I expect to see two or three sacks from our starters and three take aways (fumbles and interceptions). That's a lot to ask for in one half, but they're good enough to get it done.

8. Great special teams play. With Toub as ST coach, I think we will be very good in this area. That can make a huge difference in winning and losing.

The Steelers have stunk so far in their first two pre-season games, but as long as they have Ben Rapistburger they are a threat. They should be a good test for where the team is, so far.

Go Chiefs!

[brdempsey69]

2. Eric Fisher needs to step up. I know he's a rookie and it takes time for offensive linemen especially to learn a new offense, so I don't expect him to be perfect. He's going to make mistakes early on. But he needs to show improvement from what we have seen so far. As the first pick in the draft he needs to be ready to play on opening day and, from what we have seen so far, he's still got a long way to go. The o-line in general needs to play well and protect Alex.



I also want to see Fisher play better than last week, but I also want to see him 100% healthy on opening day. He can't improve his game if he can't lift his right arm due to a bum shoulder, which I saw evidence of last Friday. The trouble for Fisher seemed to really start after he was replaced for that one series by Stephenson & was being checked out by the doc. They should have just let him have the rest of the night off. I know that reps are important, but they will come in due time & it's more important that Fisher stay healthy & be on the field, than get reps in the preseason.

As for the rest of the O-Line, there were no reports of injuries, and yet, they played worse than Fisher did.

[TopekaRoy]

Update: According to TVGuide.com WIBW 13 (Topeka) will be showing the Broncos/Rams game tonight. What The Foolishness!?

I guess I'll be watching an internet stream AGAIN!

[TopekaRoy]

I also want to see Fisher play better than last week, but I also want to see him 100% healthy on opening day. etc. ...

Good point. I haven't heard any updates on his injury. Has he recovered? Is he expected to start? I don't want him to further aggravate his shoulder, but he needs the reps.

This is​ a dilemma.

[brdempsey69]

Good point. I haven't heard any updates on his injury. Has he recovered? Is he expected to start? I don't want him to further aggravate his shoulder, but he needs the reps.

This is​ a dilemma.

They say that Fisher practiced all week long, so we'll have to wait and see.

[ctchiefsfan]

I just want to thank TopekaRoy again for starting this thread every week and the excellent analysis he provides right after his initially starting the thread. Better than anything the networks put out! Looking forward to a HUGE night tonight!

[MyManHali]

Geno Smith looks great.

[matthewschiefs]

Go chiefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Here we go!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Got beer, got whiskey, got non-filter cigarettes. Ready to kick some Steeler butt!

[TopekaRoy]

Geno Smith looks great.

Nobody cares. He's not on our team.

Your sig criticizes your team's starting QB.

Nice fan, you are.

[ctchiefsfan]

nobody cares. He's not on our team.

Your sig criticizes your teams starting qb.

Nice fan, you are.

right you are!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

All 4 links on FirstRowSports are to Steelers broadcast of the game :(

[matthewschiefs]

Nobody cares. He's not on our team.

Your sig criticizes your teams starting QB.

Nice fan, you are.

Plus he looked bad in his 2nd week as a pro he was clearly a wasted pick oh wait he gets time rookies my man doesn't like don't sorry i forgot

[TopekaRoy]

Ground caused the fumble!

[matthewschiefs]

And a fumble on the opening kickoff not a good start :(

[ctchiefsfan]

Well that sucked, but should be reversed.

[matthewschiefs]

At least we keep the ball

[ctchiefsfan]

Excellent!

[TopekaRoy]

Told ya!

[matthewschiefs]

Look a pass to Bowe my man

[ctchiefsfan]

We're not showing much of the things I expect us to be doing in the regular season.

[MyManHali]

Throw the ball away

[MyManHali]

Dink and dunk to a punt.

[MyManHali]

Unreal! Sean Smith beat again! Just a bad throw.

[matthewschiefs]

I still wish we took jarvis jones i think he's going to be a beast

[MyManHali]

We look great!

[ctchiefsfan]

Go for it. It's preseason

[matthewschiefs]

There's 0 running lanes so far this O line has to be better

[ctchiefsfan]

Oh well. No prob.

[ctchiefsfan]

CRAP!

[matthewschiefs]

DJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Nice sack!

[ctchiefsfan]

Ah ship!!!

[matthewschiefs]

How does that happen? COME ON D

[Miller]

I am at work and cannot watch the game. How are they looking?

[matthewschiefs]

Hali has got to make that sack he's better then that

[matthewschiefs]

WTF is with these kick returns from the back of the endzone there killing the drives making them start from there own goaline GEEZE

[ctchiefsfan]

I like seeing the special teams gambling....IN PRESEASON.

[ctchiefsfan]

Gotta throw the ball downfield on 3rd and 7

[matthewschiefs]

defense stuggleing on 3rd down that's been the story for the past few years

[TopekaRoy]

WTF is with these kick returns from the back of the endzone there killing the drives making them start from there own goaline GEEZE

He wouldn't be doing that in a regular season game. We wouldn't have gone for it on our 21 either in a real game.

[ctchiefsfan]

defense stuggleing on 3rd down that's been the story for the past few years

YUP! They are not exploiting when they have the opposing offense on a hole.

[TopekaRoy]

Time to force a turnover!

[matthewschiefs]

He wouldn't be doing that in a regular season game. We wouldn't have gone for it on our 21 either in a real game.

I guess but it's really making things hard for the offense I just don't like it

[ctchiefsfan]

He wouldn't be doing that in a regular season game. We wouldn't have gone for it on our 21 either in a real game.

Absolutely. AR has clearly given all his assistants free reign to do what they want to evaluate players.

[matthewschiefs]

A downfield pass to Bowe like to see my man hate on that play

[matthewschiefs]

That was just a poor throw and he had Avery to darn

[matthewschiefs]

The pass protection has been MUCH better tonight then last week the run blocking has been horrible so far

[matthewschiefs]

Bowe and Smith need to get insync

[MyManHali]

4 possessions, 4 punts. Our quarterback is a playmaker.

[matthewschiefs]

4 possessions, 4 punts. Our quarterback is a playmaker.

Strange the passing game seems to be the offense the running game has given nothing so Charles sucks?

[MyManHali]

This is depressing

[brdempsey69]

That 1st sack was a coverage sack. None of the Chiefs receivers got open.

[matthewschiefs]

4 possessions, 4 punts. Our quarterback is a playmaker.

Your boy Geno has 3 picks tonight so you have no room to talk there bub

[matthewschiefs]

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally won't be starting near our own endzone

[brdempsey69]

Your boy Geno has 3 picks tonight so you have no room to talk there bub

LOL, Geno been a real playmaker -- for the other team.

[matthewschiefs]

NICE Run Smith

[MyManHali]

Another failed third down. I'm sorry guys, this is bad.

[matthewschiefs]

Another failed third down. I'm sorry guys, this is bad.

UMMMMMM he was that drive

and until you tell me Geno sucks then you have 0 room to talk about QB play

[matthewschiefs]

SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

UMMMMMM he was that drive

and until you tell me Geno sucks then you have 0 room to talk about QB play

You don't really expect him to pay any attention? He is the smartest man in the world and knows everything so he doesn't have to listen to anyone else.

[matthewschiefs]

Smith IS making plays right now

[matthewschiefs]

They are clearly looking to get Bowe the ball tonight

[matthewschiefs]

Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

VERY NICE! Short passes. Down the field. Touchdown.

[Justin5772002]

TD!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

That is the way it supposed to be done in the Reid offense.

[matthewschiefs]

4 possessions, 4 punts. Our quarterback is a playmaker.

Geno Smith 14/28 184 1td 3int
Alex Smith 17/24 158 1td 0int

We clearly took the wrong Smith SMH

[Sick Dog]

Maybe all the haters will shut up now for a bit...that 2 minute drill is the best we have seen since Trent Green! That is all I needed to see bring on the reg. season!

[mcclusterfan1982]

where did MyManHali go? Seems to have disappeared after that last touchdown drive. Tons of passing. Where is the Chiefs running game? They don't seem to have one...yet. But, the short passing game looks great. So nice to have gotten rid of Baldwin, who was an offensive killer. Do you think MyManHali actually roots for Alex Smith to do bad, just so he can be "right" about him? Talk about a sad way to consider yourself a "Chiefs fan" where you have to hope your team fails. Weird.

[matthewschiefs]

That is the way it supposed to be done in the Reid offense.

Yes Sir the Quick short passing game and it's also good to see Smith and Bowe getting in rhythm I think that was the main focus on offense going into this game

[brdempsey69]

where did MyManHali go? Seems to have disappeared after that last touchdown drive. Tons of passing. Where is the Chiefs running game? They don't seem to have one...yet. But, the short passing game looks great. So nice to have gotten rid of Baldwin, who was an offensive killer. Do you think MyManHali actually roots for Alex Smith to do bad, just so he can be "right" about him? Talk about a sad way to consider yourself a "Chiefs fan" where you have to hope your team fails. Weird.

Indeed he does.

[ctchiefsfan]

Wonder what MMO/MMH will complain about now?

[matthewschiefs]

where did MyManHali go? Seems to have disappeared after that last touchdown drive. Tons of passing. Where is the Chiefs running game? They don't seem to have one...yet. But, the short passing game looks great. So nice to have gotten rid of Baldwin, who was an offensive killer. Do you think MyManHali actually roots for Alex Smith to do bad, just so he can be "right" about him? Talk about a sad way to consider yourself a "Chiefs fan" where you have to hope your team fails. Weird.

100% he does

[MyManHali]

That was a very nice drive. Unfortunately, our offense still didn't look great that half. 4 punts, one long scramble and a nice td drive.

[Sick Dog]

Not sure why MyManHali even comes here...guess he is just like a woman and likes to create drama

[brdempsey69]

And what about Eric Fisher? It looks like he's been stonewalling former 1st round pick Ziggy Hood.

[ctchiefsfan]

100% he does

NO DAMNED DOUBT!!!! He WANTS Alex Smith to fail! MMO/MMH is not a Chiefs fan. He is a self fan!

[matthewschiefs]

I hope they give the 1s on offense 1 more drive at least they seemed to be getting it together towards the end of the half lets see if they can keep it up. I'm loving to focus to get Bowe the ball tonight it's good to see him and Smith get on the same page

[ctchiefsfan]

Not sure why MyManHali even comes here...guess he is just like a woman and likes to create drama

Quoted for FACT!

[Sick Dog]

I say end on a high note and shut er down...

[brdempsey69]

I say end on a high note and shut er down...

Agreed. This is pre-season & let it end on a high note for the 1st team Offense as they proved themselves to themselves. Let's have them be healthy and ready for opening day.

[TopekaRoy]

After a horrible start the Chiefs seem to have pulled things together to tie the game 10-10 at halftime. The blocked FG attempt was the turning point of the Game. I knew special teams would come up big somehow, even though the return game has gone nowhere tonight.

Bowe made some big plays and I loved that 32 yard scramble by Smith. We got to see quite a bit of Avery and he looks like a solid, if unspectacular #2 receiver. The running game was nonexistent. Is Charles' foot still hurting him?

Defense had 2 sacks which was one of the things that I wanted to see, but no turnovers. Pass coverage was weak, but It didn't end up hurting us too bad.

Chiefs actually ended the half with more first downs more total yards, more passing yards and more rushing yards than the Steelers!

Over all I'm not thrilled with the first half, but I'm not ready to slit my wrists either.

Time for my 2nd half nap!

[texaschief]

Geno Smith 14/28 184 1td 3int
Alex Smith 17/24 158 1td 0int

We clearly took the wrong Smith SMH

Ouch. That must sting.

[ctchiefsfan]

Quoted for FACT!


I say end on a high note and shut er down...

Yup! Let AS sit unless he demands to get a chance to get a lead. Then give him 1 series. I'd like to see some other QB play with most of the offensive starters on the field. AS is our guy for better or worse this year, but I'd like to see what else we have for the future. Leave Daniels on the bench and see what is behind him.

[matthewschiefs]

After a horrible start the Chiefs seem to have pulled things together to tie the game 10-10 at halftime. The blocked FG attempt was the turning point of the Game. I knew special teams would come up big somehow, even though the return game has gone nowhere tonight.

Bowe made some big plays and I loved that 32 yard scramble by Smith. We got to see quite a bit of Avery and he looks like a solid, if unspectacular #2 receiver. The running game was nonexistent. Is Charles' foot still hurting him?

Defense had 2 sacks which was one of the things that I wanted to see, but no turnovers. Pass coverage was weak, but It didn't end up hurting us too bad.

Chiefs actually ended the half with more first downs more total yards, more passing yards and more rushing yards than the Steelers!

Over all I'm not thrilled with the first half, but I'm not ready to slit my wrists either.

Time for my 2nd half nap!

It was nothing to jump up and down about for sure

The run blocking was IMO what killed the runing game they have to get that sorted out I didn't see any holes for the Runners. The pass blocking is FAR better then last week.

What I do like is unlike last year it didn't get worse. They had a bad start but seemed to MAKE ADJUSTMENTS and got back in it. Far better then last year

So all in all on ok half some bad some good

[matthewschiefs]

Bowe with the drop get them out of the way in the preseason boys

[matthewschiefs]

And a fumble Geeze I guess get those out of the way in the preseason to boys

[brdempsey69]

What's encouraging is to see them hang in there and fight back. Not likely to have happened last year.

[TopekaRoy]

The Chase is on. Looks like he has most of the starters out there to work with on the first drive.

[ctchiefsfan]

After a horrible start the Chiefs seem to have pulled things together to tie the game 10-10 at halftime. The blocked FG attempt was the turning point of the Game. I knew special teams would come up big somehow, even though the return game has gone nowhere tonight.

Bowe made some big plays and I loved that 32 yard scramble by Smith. We got to see quite a bit of Avery and he looks like a solid, if unspectacular #2 receiver. The running game was nonexistent. Is Charles' foot still hurting him?

Defense had 2 sacks which was one of the things that I wanted to see, but no turnovers. Pass coverage was weak, but It didn't end up hurting us too bad.

Chiefs actually ended the half with more first downs more total yards, more passing yards and more rushing yards than the Steelers!

Over all I'm not thrilled with the first half, but I'm not ready to slit my wrists either.

To me that pretty much sums things up. Flashes of brilliance. Flashes of incompetence. Nothing to get all het up about one way or the other. All in all I think AR is holding his cards very close to his vest and not showing us or "them" much of what he plans.

[TopekaRoy]

Whoops!

[texaschief]

The Chiefs haven't actually played poor defenses in their 2nd and 3rd games. These are teams that are perennially considered to be in the upper echelon of the league... and there are STILL complaints that our 2-14 team isn't dominating these games?? Y'all... c'mon! Is there really anymore doubt that this team will AT LEAST finish with a .500 record?? Don't forget, we've got one of the easiest schedules in the league. We won't be playing the Saints, 49ers, and Steelers every week in the regular season. We'll be playing the Jags, Raiders, Bills, and the like.

Perspective, folks... perspective.

[matthewschiefs]

One thing I will say I like this Nico Johson guy

[brdempsey69]

What a difference a year makes. Remember the 3rd preseason game last year when they got blown out at Arrowhead by the Seahawks?

This ain't the same team in 2013 as it was in 2012. Things will be different this year.

[ctchiefsfan]

What a difference a year makes. Remember the 3rd preseason game last year when they got blown out at Arrowhead by the Seahawks?

This ain't the same team in 2013 as it was in 2012. Things will be different this year.

Yup! New management and coaching has instilled a new mentality across the board.

[TopekaRoy]

The Donkeys are losing to the Rams 20-10 at halftime. That Peyton Manning guy ... he sucks!

[ctchiefsfan]

The Donkeys are losing to the Rams 20-10 at halftime. That Peyton Manning guy ... he sucks!

No doubt at all!

[ctchiefsfan]

Where is MMO/MMH? I haven't seen a blocked post in a while.

[matthewschiefs]

The Donkeys are losing to the Rams 20-10 at halftime. That Peyton Manning guy ... he sucks!

Lets see hes getting less then 10 ypc and he has a turnover in a preseason game yep he's Cassel 2.0 isn't he LOL DInk and dunk

[ctchiefsfan]

Just a small observation.....Through the preseason we have led or been tied whenever Smith left the game. I'll take it.

[matthewschiefs]

Where is MMO/MMH? I haven't seen a blocked post in a while.

Don't worry if the Steelers score here he'll be back

[brdempsey69]

Junior Hemingway may have found himself a regular role as a red zone WR. They need somebody that can consistently get open and catch the ball in the enemy end zone.


Just a small observation.....Through the preseason we have led or been tied whenever Smith left the game. I'll take it.

Damn right. Especially after last years farce. The Steelers are not depleted by injuries, except for their starting TE.

[matthewschiefs]

This team FIGHTS BACK I love it

[ctchiefsfan]

Davis makes up for his fumble. NICE!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

I guess I can't complain anymore about bringing the ball out of the back of the endzone LOL

[TopekaRoy]

Holy crap!!! Nile Davis is ruining my 2nd half nap!

[brdempsey69]

This team FIGHTS BACK I love it

You got that right. The "roll over on our backs & die" fiasco of last year isn't going to happen this year.

[ctchiefsfan]

You got that right. The "roll over on our backs & die" fiasco of last year isn't going to happen this year.

Reid won't tolerate that. Team knows it. Won't happen any more.

[brdempsey69]

Pittsburgh only got 36 yards rushing the 1st half. Much improved run defense.

[TopekaRoy]

Special teams are special, indeed!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zYTzsNDWN4Y/TaY_4ycDv0I/AAAAAAAAAAM/lbP7GjE8vUY/s1600/Dana+Carvey+Church+Lady.jpg

[ctchiefsfan]

Don't worry if the Steelers score here he'll be back

He's like an incurable disease. Goes away for a while but is never actually gone.

[TopekaRoy]

He's like an incurable disease. Goes away for a while but is never actually gone.

MyManHerpes!

[ctchiefsfan]

MMO/MMH disappeared as soon as AS wasn't on the field. If Smith isn't around to criticize then MMH is gone searching the net for new things to "prove" that our QB sucks. MMH's signature says it all. He hates Smith. He'll always hate the Chiefs until they get whoever he thinks is the "right" quarterback. That's just MMO/MMH.

[ctchiefsfan]

mymanherpes!

perfect description!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

I'm cool if they go for it here.

[brdempsey69]

MMO/MMH disappeared as soon as AS wasn't on the field. If Smith isn't around to criticize then MMH is gone searching the net for new things to "prove" that our QB sucks. MMH's signature says it all. He hates Smith. He'll always hate the Chiefs until they get whoever he thinks is the "right" quarterback. That's just MMO/MMH.

This is the same guy that thought Kyle Orton was the "right" QB, even though Orton was more of a "game manager" than Smith and Orton couldn't score.

[ctchiefsfan]

Exactly right! He thinks he should be the GM.

[brdempsey69]

Overall, a good effort by the 1's tonight & was pleased with the better pass-protection. Fisher did good against Ziggy Hood and Lamar Woodley & here's to hoping he stays healthy and continues to improve.

[ctchiefsfan]

I like seeing the special teams return every kick. Won't happen during the regular season, but it shows we will have an aggressive return game.

[ctchiefsfan]

Draughn just showed us what we are going to see from JC this season.

[matthewschiefs]

This game is the ball game they are going for the TD I don't think either team wants OT

[ctchiefsfan]

Absolutely. Reid isn't interested in OT. If we wind up in 4th and anything but long he will go for the 1st. Reid wants an aggressive spirit in this offense. He wants the offense to understand that field goals are not good enough. The game is about touchdowns.

[TopekaRoy]

Yea! People I've never heard of who won't be on the team on opening day are making some big plays.

[ctchiefsfan]

OK....Kick the FG.

[brdempsey69]

A good effort overall, even if they don't win.

[TopekaRoy]

A Field goal? You've got to be kidding me.

I was hoping for a fake!

[KristofLaw]

Nice FG Mr. Succop. It's been a nice one today, enjoyable. INT?

[brdempsey69]

WHOA !! The Chiefs might have a chance to score again.

[TopekaRoy]

INT?

We're due for one.

[ctchiefsfan]

Stopped them. Get a FG and let's go home with a win!

[TopekaRoy]

Nevermind. Forced a punt.

Niles? ...

[ctchiefsfan]

WTF was that?

[TopekaRoy]

Pittsburgh called a timeout? What the heck?

[ctchiefsfan]

Ah....to hell with it! Have Daniels throw 2 bombs. Then MMO/MMH can become MMD!

[matthewschiefs]

Uggggg ot

[TopekaRoy]

If the Chiefs win the toss Bring out the first string offense.




Just kidding.

Oh, they're using the new overtime rules even in preseason.

We get the ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

OK.....Let's get this over with. All we are doing at this point is risking injuries.

And ....how new is this rule about if someone scored a FG in OT the other team gets 1 drive? When did that happen?

[ctchiefsfan]

Nice return!

[TopekaRoy]

.how new is this rule about if someone scored a FG in OT the other team gets 1 drive? When did that happen?

About 2 years ago?

[ctchiefsfan]

Horsecollar. I'll take it.

[ctchiefsfan]

Gotta love Daniels. BALLS BALLS BALLS! He may not be much of a QB, but He'll do anything to get the win. I like his spirit.

[TopekaRoy]

I know it means nothing, but I REALLY want to win this game!

[ctchiefsfan]

Kick the FG and give the job to the defense.

[ctchiefsfan]

OK...I was stupid. Nice job!

[matthewschiefs]

WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

NICE!!!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

Touchdown, Kansaaaaas City!

[ctchiefsfan]

We've got our very own "Tebow Time". A win is a win. I'll take it!

[TopekaRoy]

Super Bowl, here we come!


Someday.

[rodu]

odd that our best two runners today were our QB's, take them away, we barely moved the ball on the ground, going to need to work on that

nice to see a win, been a while

[brdempsey69]

I know it means nothing, but I REALLY want to win this game!

Well brother you got it !! They scored a winning TD. Overall a good effort by the guys in RED.

[KristofLaw]

That Kniles Davis return was memorable. Good effort and win by our guys, I enjoyed the game today, can't wait until next week.

Go Chiefs!

[TopekaRoy]

That was kinda fun​!

[Chiefster]

Well brother you got it !! They scored a winning TD. Overall a good effort by the guys in RED.
Yup, a slow start but a nice OT win!

[ctchiefsfan]

Post Mortem............

The offensive line did not impress.

JC did not get into the game much. Still hurting or just AR holding back a bit?

Smith was rough at best until the 2 minute drill before the half. That was nice.

Reid was gambling like a drunkard to see how people would react. I liked it assuming we don't see that sort of thing in the regular season.

I was pretty pleased with the second half. First time I've seen the "rest of the team" looking fairly sharp.

I liked Daniels tonight. He's never impressed me much in the air, but he can surely keep a defense off balance with his running....and he's not afraid to either. Our very own Tebow.

WE WON THE GAME!!!!! We didn't blow anybody out, but we didn't quit (refreshing after last year) and everybody played hard as if this game was a playoff game.

While I was not overly impressed with any part of our performance, I REALLY liked the spirit. Everybody played like they wanted to be a Chief!!!!

And that is already a HUGE improvement over last year!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

That was kinda fun​!

It was more fun than "kinda"!!!! Winning is fun....preseason....regular season.....playoffs....Superbowl....a win is always better than a loss!

[TopekaRoy]

Interesting...

"Smith struggled early but led Kansas City to a pair of scoring drives late in the first half and finished 17 of 24 (71%) for 158 yards and a touchdown."
(source (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/gamecast?gameId=330824023&version=mobile))

That's over 300 yds per game.

Dink and dunk away, Alex. Dink and dunk away.

[brdempsey69]

Interesting...

"Smith struggled early but led Kansas City to a pair of scoring drives late in the first half and finished 17 of 24 (71%) for 158 yards and a touchdown."
(source (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/gamecast?gameId=330824023&version=mobile))

That's over 300 yds per game.

Dink and dunk away, Alex. Dink and dunk away.

And add to that the 32-yard scramble. Although the Chiefs didn't score a TD on that series, that play seemed to ignite the rest of the team.

And once again, Alex did not turn the ball over.

[TopekaRoy]

I just saw on FaceBook that Andy Reid told Len Dawson (postgame show) that he wanted the Chiefs to return every kickoff so he could evaluate his returners. That explains the "stupidity."

[brdempsey69]

I just saw on FaceBook that Andy Reid told Len Dawson (postgame show) that he wanted the Chiefs to return every kickoff so he could evaluate his returners. That explains the "stupidity."

LOL, Knile Davis made "stupid" look "genius" on that 109-yard return.

[TopekaRoy]

LOL, Knile Davis made "stupid" look "genius" on that 109-yard return.

*like*

[ctchiefsfan]

I just saw on FaceBook that Andy Reid told Len Dawson (postgame show) that he wanted the Chiefs to return every kickoff so he could evaluate his returners. That explains the "stupidity."

I thought that was obvious. Reid is no fool and he would not allow 9 yard deep returns during the regular season......and he wouldn't go for it on 4th and inches on roughly his own 20 in the regular season. This was a preseason game and Reid was using it to do what preseason is all about......figuring out who has the skills and WHO HAS THE DESIRE!

While I can't get overly excited about what I have seen from any specific part of the team so far (except MAYBE special teams) what I am excited about is what Reid has done to this team. They don't quit. And that alone is a HUGE improvement!!!! Reid is acting like a coach who wants to be remembered as one of the great ones. And we all know this is his last chance to prove that. I dunno if we can win a Superbowl with Alex Smith (verdict is still out) but I do know that Reid intends to win a Superbowl in KC.....and yeah.....I THINK HE CAN DO IT!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

I thought that was obvious.

It was pretty obvious to me, but now we have confirmation straight from the horse's ... I mean coach's mouth. There were some in Chiefs Crowd and elsewhere who were questioning just what we were doing. Some thought that some of the players were so eager to impress the coaches that they were making terrible decisions. Reid confirmed that they were doing just what they were told to do.

[jason1981]

Its preseason. I dont fault reid at all for instructing the returners to return all kick offs amd also going for it on 4th and inches. Its preseason and we need to find what were made of. Though I think a qb sneak wold have been better to get the ince for a 1st.

[Eydugstr]

Very happy the Chiefs have a "W" to hang their hat on.

Alex Smith struggled some at first, but after his big scramble it seemed to calm down the Steeler's linebackers. The Steelers D acted like the Raiders, all kinds of cheap hits going on. Smith took a good hit and came right back up. Our O-line needs some work, obviously, but I do think they improved from the 49'ers game. Really think that Smith's scramble and Davis' kickoff TD really lit the fires, and after that the Steelers had their hands full.

Chase Daniels really stepped it up this game. He seemed hit or miss the first two games, but this game he improved considerably.

[ctchiefsfan]

It was pretty obvious to me, but now we have confirmation straight from the horse's ... I mean coach's mouth. There were some in Chiefs Crowd and elsewhere who were questioning just what we were doing. Some thought that some of the players were so eager to impress the coaches that they were making terrible decisions. Reid confirmed that they were doing just what they were told to do.

Ah....OK.....Didn't realize some people thought this was people doing these things on their own. Don't think many of them would take it upon themselves to do something like that. Take a kickoff 9 yards deep, try to run it back, get tacked on the 2 and you could wind up without a job. Don't think many of them want to take that chance.

[brdempsey69]

I know it was just a preseason game and doesn't count in the standings and it wasn't anything for anybody to get fatheaded about, BUT, playing well and eking out a win might have meant more to this team than one might think.

Remember game 3 of the preseason last year, and the 44-16 loss to Seattle at Arrowhead? They never seemed to recover from that throughout the rest of the 2012 season.

[MyManHali]

Common misconception I see here on Chiefs Crowd:

4 possessions, 4 punts.- It's just pre season!

1 drive to end the half- I TOLD YOU ALEX SMITH IS GOING TO WORK OUT!

Don't deny it homers.

[matthewschiefs]

Common misconception I see here on Chiefs Crowd:

4 possessions, 4 punts.- It's just pre season!

1 drive to end the half- I TOLD YOU ALEX SMITH IS GOING TO WORK OUT!

Don't deny it homers.

First off no one ever said Smith was going to work without a doubt you find one post on here that has said that. We are not losing our minds in the preseason and looking for all we can to bash a guy like you are just because your bitter they didn't do what you want.

But lets talk about what we saw last night shall we, The Chiefs got 0 from the run game in the 1st half outside of Alex Smith on a long scramble What has happened before when the run game has been shut down the whole offense has been shut down. The passing game was the offense with the 1st team last night that's MUCH different then what we have seen before is it not?

And now lets see what the guy you wanted is doing outside of throwing picks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLS_9EpaWcM
Yep your judgement on QBS is spot on

[brdempsey69]

Common misconception I see here on Chiefs Crowd:

4 possessions, 4 punts.- It's just pre season!

1 drive to end the half- I TOLD YOU ALEX SMITH IS GOING TO WORK OUT!

Don't deny it homers.

Awwww poor baby, you obviously crapped in your diaper when they traded for Alex Smith & drafted Eric Fisher. Did your mommy have to change your diaper for you, fetch your formula for you, and give you a Baby Pat-A-Burp doll to put on your shoulder so that can cry on its shoulder? Sure sounds like it.

The misconception is all on your side. Nobody said they were happy with 4 possessions and 4 punts, they simply got tired of hearing you bash Smith and neither did they say "Alex Smith is going to work out", what they said was that Alex Smith played better than Geno Smith and you kept spewing your regurgitated dogsh!t about Alex Smith not being able to make plays, only to see him do just that when they really needed him to.

The Chiefs didn't draft a QB in round 1 in 2013 and they are not likely to draft a QB in round 1 anytime soon in the near future --- GET OVER IT !!!

[MyManHali]

First off no one ever said Smith was going to work without a doubt you find one post on here that has said that. We are not losing our minds in the preseason and looking for all we can to bash a guy like you are just because your bitter they didn't do what you want.

But lets talk about what we saw last night shall we, The Chiefs got 0 from the run game in the 1st half outside of Alex Smith on a long scramble What has happened before when the run game has been shut down the whole offense has been shut down. The passing game was the offense with the 1st team last night that's MUCH different then what we have seen before is it not?

And now lets see what the guy you wanted is doing outside of throwing picks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLS_9EpaWcM
Yep your judgement on QBS is spot on



So let me get this straight. It's perfectly reasonable for you to make excuses for Alex Smith for his entire what, 6 year career where he sucked big time. Yet, Geno Smith plays one preseason game, struggles and you try to expose him.

Ahhhh, the hypocrisy of MatthewsChiefs!

[MyManHali]

Awwww poor baby, you obviously crapped in your diaper when they traded for Alex Smith & drafted Eric Fisher. Did your mommy have to change your diaper for you, fetch your formula for you, and give you a Baby Pat-A-Burp doll to put on your shoulder so that can cry on its shoulder? Sure sounds like it.

The misconception is all on your side. Nobody said they were happy with 4 possessions and 4 punts, they simply got tired of hearing you bash Smith and neither did they say "Alex Smith is going to work out", what they said was that Alex Smith played better than Geno Smith and you kept spewing your regurgitated dogsh!t about Alex Smith not being able to make plays, only to see him do just that when they really needed him to.

The Chiefs didn't draft a QB in round 1 in 2013 and they are not likely to draft a QB in round 1 anytime soon in the near future --- GET OVER IT !!!


I'm really happy a 8 year veteran that we traded multiple picks for played better than a rookie in his first start.


Logic isn't applied here is it?

[matthewschiefs]

So let me get this straight. It's perfectly reasonable for you to make excuses for Alex Smith for his entire what, 6 year career where he sucked big time. Yet, Geno Smith plays one preseason game, struggles and you try to expose him.

Ahhhh, the hypocrisy of MatthewsChiefs!

But wait wasn't preseason games good enough to judge the rookie you don't like?Didn't you already say Fisher was a wasted pick? But it's not fair to judge the guy you wanted? you want to talk about hypocrisy? Really?

And it's not "making excuses" the Piss poor coaching I have talked about is FACT. Again name me someone who played well under those coaches I've been waiting for you to answer that time and time again. YES Smith takes some blame for his time with the niners but he was not alone in that. And you IGNORE the last couple of seasons when Smith played well and only want to talk about the time when he had the horrible coaches.

You have set a clear double standards you hold the guys you don't like to perfection standards where the guys you do like you're willing to give a break to. You seem to me to be a smart guy. But sometimes you have to let you're personal opinions go and be fair that's all I ask. What we've seen from This offense has been nothing to jump and down about lets face facts. But on the other hand it's nothing to say see the season is over we are doomed to fail like you make it out to be. This team has gone head to head this preseason with 3 good teams. I don't know if there is any other team out there with a preseason like ours they are facing pretty good competition. They have held there own against them. That's reason to say ok maybe this won't be so bad. Not to say it's great but maybe just maybe there's reason to have some hope. No one is asking you to jump up and down and say see how great Alex Smith is. If you look in this game thread I said that Smith made a poor throw. I will say it when he does something bad. But all you do is point at the bad. You then make excuses for the good. You already started with game 1 of the real season. All anyone ask on here is a fair outlook. That's something you have yet to show. Instead it's perfection for the guys you don't like and a much lower standard for those who you do. I show the Geno things to show this double standard he's a rookie it's far to early to judge him. Just like Fisher is a rookie it's far to early to judge him like any other rookie. If our guys are so bad why do you hold them to the perfection standard. Even when Smith took us down the field for a td while I said good start keep it up (far from saying see i told you Smith would work) you went on and on about Dink and dunk. Learn to give credit where credit is due instead of constantly pointing out the negative and making excuses for the good.

I have been by far the nicest to you on this site. I have defended you before when some called you a troll. Help me out here so I don't look like a idiot more then I often make myself out to be. Tell us something you like about what they have done. Say SOMETHING ANYTHING positive about the offense without taking a dig at the QB. There's has to be something you like. All we here from you is negative help us all out make 1 positive post with no digs at the QB

[SloJimFizz]

I'm really happy a 8 year veteran that we traded multiple picks for played better than a rookie in his first start.


Logic isn't applied here is it?
You don't apply logic to much of anything.
It is illogical to go on and on about something that did not happen,
It is illogical to come on a CHIEFS forum and call us homers. Duh.
Some here have been rooting for the Chiefs before you were swimming in your dads sac.
Quit your *****ing, who the hell here do you think wants to hear it.

[texaschief]

"Some" called him a troll? No, no... let's not get this twisted... I called him a troll... and Myman just makes my case more and more evident everytime the guy posts on here. When is enough, enough? EVERY THREAD the guy posts on becomes a hate fest on Alex Smith, Eric Fisher, or Sean Smith. I've lost my interest in posting on this site because of him. He's got 800 posts of Chiefs-hating rhetoric that the mods allow to continue to ruin this site for so many.

The guy is clearly not a fan of this team and continues to spew hateful pessimism about the team, yet the mods do nothing. The forums are dying. Each thread gets killed by Alex Smith bashing by Myman. Traffic is down, active members are down, and "Hall of Famers" who have been here for years are leaving the site in droves. I know they are still actively talking about the Chiefs online because I still see them on other sites.

It's time for Coach and the mods to make a decision. Either watch the site die or take actions to improve the user experience. Myman, (whether he is a fan or not is beside the point) makes the vast majority of the members on this site miserable with his hateful rhetoric and people across the web have been removed from forums for doing much less.

It's time.

[jason1981]

Mymanhali
you are the homer. You act like a kid that got yourself feelings hurt. Your so blinded for your hate for alex smith that you cant see past your hirt feelings. There was not a better option then alex smith. I dont like geno smith he just rubs me the wrong way something about him is this off and hes selfish and wana be gangster. I cant say we wont ever be good but I just dont like him. You mqy not like alex smith but you let your hatred for him cloud your judgments. You have double standards that your to blind to see. so sorry that you got your feelings hurt and that it turned you into a homer. I think alex will suprise you.

[brdempsey69]

Back on topic, if last night was any indicator, then it's looking like the move to unload Baldwin and elevate Avery to the starting WR opposite Bowe was clearly the right move. At least Avery was getting open and catching some passes & he gets out of his breaks a lot quicker than Baldwin ever could and get some sort of separation from defenders. I hope Avery can continue to step to the fore and contribute, same for Hemingway, as well.

[matthewschiefs]

Back on topic, if last night was any indicator, then it's looking like the move to unload Baldwin and elevate Avery to the starting WR opposite Bowe was clearly the right move. At least Avery was getting open and catching some passes & he gets out of his breaks a lot quicker than Baldwin ever could and get some sort of separation from defenders. I hope Avery can continue to step to the fore and contribute, same for Hemingway, as well.

Getting both WRs the ball looked to be the focus of the game on offense. Maybe that's why we didn't see them do much in the running game. But it was good to see them get involved. Part of me still wishes they would have ran 1 series after the half just to get used to having the break. But at the end of the half Bowe and Smith seemed to be getting on the same page. That was good at least. But without the running game this team would be in trouble to say the least. I just hope the reason we didn't see anything out of the runners was just that the focus was on the passing and Wrs

[brdempsey69]

Getting both WRs the ball looked to be the focus of the game on offense. Maybe that's why we didn't see them do much in the running game. But it was good to see them get involved. Part of me still wishes they would have ran 1 series after the half just to get used to having the break. But at the end of the half Bowe and Smith seemed to be getting on the same page. That was good at least. But without the running game this team would be in trouble to say the least. I just hope the reason we didn't see anything out of the runners was just that the focus was on the passing and Wrs

The problem that I saw with the running game was continuing to try running between that Tackles and up the gut against the 1's of Pittsburgh's defense & their run defense is one of the best at stopping such plays. They pursue very well on wide running plays as well. Seldom do you see Pitt's Defense get gashed by the opposing teams running game, so it didn't surprise me that they held the Chiefs running game in check. Besides, we all know that under Andy Reid it's going to be a pass-first Offense.

BTW, did you notice that in the final moments of the 1st half that Alex Smith bore very close resemblance to another QB that I had mentioned in the NO gameday thread ---- that's right, Rich Gannon.

[jason1981]

It was the backside purauit that was killing our run game I believe. But then again if there were lanes for the rb to hit the back side would have had a chance to stop them. Polamalu just timed it perfectly and dont blame that on oline. Maybe alex should have gave them a hard count but dont know what the pkay clock was plus whats to say we wouldnt have jumped. It shoukd have been a qb sneak to get inches anyways so I chaulk that up as bad play call.

[ctchiefsfan]

"Some" called him a troll? No, no... let's not get this twisted... I called him a troll... and Myman just makes my case more and more evident everytime the guy posts on here. When is enough, enough? EVERY THREAD the guy posts on becomes a hate fest on Alex Smith, Eric Fisher, or Sean Smith. I've lost my interest in posting on this site because of him. He's got 800 posts of Chiefs-hating rhetoric that the mods allow to continue to ruin this site for so many.

The guy is clearly not a fan of this team and continues to spew hateful pessimism about the team, yet the mods do nothing. The forums are dying. Each thread gets killed by Alex Smith bashing by Myman. Traffic is down, active members are down, and "Hall of Famers" who have been here for years are leaving the site in droves. I know they are still actively talking about the Chiefs online because I still see them on other sites.

It's time for Coach and the mods to make a decision. Either watch the site die or take actions to improve the user experience. Myman, (whether he is a fan or not is beside the point) makes the vast majority of the members on this site miserable with his hateful rhetoric and people across the web have been removed from forums for doing much less.

It's time.


THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! I come here to have fun and talk about the Chiefs. A team I have loved from afar since the '60s. I called him a troll a long time ago and put him on "ignore". I WAS WRONG. He is not an oxygen stealer or a troll....HE IS WORSE THAN THAT! I work too damned hard for what fun I have and he is stealing my fun. The BAN HAMMER is LONG OVERDUE!!!

[Eydugstr]

The problem that I saw with the running game was continuing to try running between that Tackles and up the gut against the 1's of Pittsburgh's defense & their run defense is one of the best at stopping such plays. They pursue very well on wide running plays as well. Seldom do you see Pitt's Defense get gashed by the opposing teams running game, so it didn't surprise me that they held the Chiefs running game in check. Besides, we all know that under Andy Reid it's going to be a pass-first Offense.

BTW, did you notice that in the final moments of the 1st half that Alex Smith bore very close resemblance to another QB that I had mentioned in the NO gameday thread ---- that's right, Rich Gannon.

Pitt's D line is no joke. But after Alex's scramble it really caused them to back off, and resort to cheap hits. The one thing that I saw that Pittsburg seemed to be able to do consistently was come down with big catches to extend their drives. At times it seemed like they were catching everything thrown their way.

[brdempsey69]

Pitt's D line is no joke. But after Alex's scramble it really caused them to back off, and resort to cheap hits. The one thing that I saw that Pittsburg seemed to be able to do consistently was come down with big catches to extend their drives. At times it seemed like they were catching everything thrown their way.

Well, Big Ben was playing behind a fully-healthy O-Line ( DeCastro looks very good, BTW ) & given time to throw, he will pick any Defense apart. I do like that the Chiefs adjusted and sent some blitzes at Big Ben, and got to him a couple times after he threw that 1st TD, Of course, Big Ben might have never gotten that first TD if the Chiefs hadn't gone for it 4th and 1 inside their 30-yard line ( which of course, they wouldn't have done that in the regular season ).

Dontari Poe continues to show signs of good progress ( see the end-around play that Pitt tried that Poe and Kendrick Lewis held to a 4-yard gain -- nice pursuit by Poe ).

[Eydugstr]

Well, Big Ben was playing behind a fully-healthy O-Line ( DeCastro looks very good, BTW ) & given time to throw, he will pick any Defense apart. I do like that the Chiefs adjusted and sent some blitzes at Big Ben, and got to him a couple times after he threw that 1st TD, Of course, Big Ben might have never gotten that first TD if the Chiefs hadn't gone for it 4th and 1 inside their 30-yard line ( which of course, they wouldn't have done that in the regular season ).

Dontari Poe continues to show signs of good progress ( see the end-around play that Pitt tried that Poe and Kendrick Lewis held to a 4-yard gain -- nice pursuit by Poe ).

We should've gotten DeCastro when we had the chance...Rothlisberger has gotten sharper as a QB. My point was that even well into the third & fourth quarters, the Steelers recievers were catching everything, tough catch or not. It was just good play on their part, getting that first TD.

Poe's gotten better. If Nico Johnson competes his way into the starting lineup...

Don't blame Reid for going for it on 4 and 1 that early in a preseason game. If he's going to test his team, do it now. Also think it's the same philosophy he used by not game-planning for the 49'ers D; He wanted to see how they'd react with a situation they weren't ready for.

[brdempsey69]

We should've gotten DeCastro when we had the chance...Rothlisberger has gotten sharper as a QB. My point was that even well into the third & fourth quarters, the Steelers recievers were catching everything, tough catch or not. It was just good play on their part, getting that first TD.

Poe's gotten better. If Nico Johnson competes his way into the starting lineup...

Don't blame Reid for going for it on 4 and 1 that early in a preseason game. If he's going to test his team, do it now. Also think it's the same philosophy he used by not game-planning for the 49'ers D; He wanted to see how they'd react with a situation they weren't ready for.

Actually, I don't blame Reid for the 4th down gamble in pre-season. I just wish they had converted & not put Pitt in easy scoring range. But, it worked out in the end.

Nico Johnson did make some nice tackles & maybe before the season's end, he forges his way into the starting lineup. He's a keeper for sure.

Still have high hopes for Kelce and hope he gets back on the field soon, especially with Moeaki getting hurt (again).

[Lord-Chiefy]

As for the game. Again special teams showed up big. Offence looked better d still no line pressure

[brdempsey69]

OFF TOPIC:

I just read Brian Daboll is an assistant in New England.

An assistant what? Jock-strap washer?

[Eydugstr]

OFF TOPIC:

I just read Brian Daboll is an assistant in New England.

An assistant what? Jock-strap washer?

Believe it or not...NE picked up him right after the Crennel/Pioli "purge". Why I have no idea, but keep in mind that's the same team that took back Josh McDaniels, too.

[MyManHali]

But wait wasn't preseason games good enough to judge the rookie you don't like?Didn't you already say Fisher was a wasted pick? But it's not fair to judge the guy you wanted? you want to talk about hypocrisy? Really?

And it's not "making excuses" the Piss poor coaching I have talked about is FACT. Again name me someone who played well under those coaches I've been waiting for you to answer that time and time again. YES Smith takes some blame for his time with the niners but he was not alone in that. And you IGNORE the last couple of seasons when Smith played well and only want to talk about the time when he had the horrible coaches.

You have set a clear double standards you hold the guys you don't like to perfection standards where the guys you do like you're willing to give a break to. You seem to me to be a smart guy. But sometimes you have to let you're personal opinions go and be fair that's all I ask. What we've seen from This offense has been nothing to jump and down about lets face facts. But on the other hand it's nothing to say see the season is over we are doomed to fail like you make it out to be. This team has gone head to head this preseason with 3 good teams. I don't know if there is any other team out there with a preseason like ours they are facing pretty good competition. They have held there own against them. That's reason to say ok maybe this won't be so bad. Not to say it's great but maybe just maybe there's reason to have some hope. No one is asking you to jump up and down and say see how great Alex Smith is. If you look in this game thread I said that Smith made a poor throw. I will say it when he does something bad. But all you do is point at the bad. You then make excuses for the good. You already started with game 1 of the real season. All anyone ask on here is a fair outlook. That's something you have yet to show. Instead it's perfection for the guys you don't like and a much lower standard for those who you do. I show the Geno things to show this double standard he's a rookie it's far to early to judge him. Just like Fisher is a rookie it's far to early to judge him like any other rookie. If our guys are so bad why do you hold them to the perfection standard. Even when Smith took us down the field for a td while I said good start keep it up (far from saying see i told you Smith would work) you went on and on about Dink and dunk. Learn to give credit where credit is due instead of constantly pointing out the negative and making excuses for the good.

I have been by far the nicest to you on this site. I have defended you before when some called you a troll. Help me out here so I don't look like a idiot more then I often make myself out to be. Tell us something you like about what they have done. Say SOMETHING ANYTHING positive about the offense without taking a dig at the QB. There's has to be something you like. All we here from you is negative help us all out make 1 positive post with no digs at the QB



When did I ever say Eric Fisher was a bust? I said he looked like garbage, which has been true. He did play better against Pitt but we all saw Polamalu bust through the line right through Fisher on that 4th and short. You are totally within your right to say someone looks bad. What is wrong with that?

The reason I would give Geno or any other quarterback more time is because it is a developmental position. Notice how I have NEVER, EVER brought up Geno's circumstances in New York and I never will. You must admit that you brought up Alex Smith's circumstances early in his career over and over.

[MyManHali]

Mymanhali
you are the homer. You act like a kid that got yourself feelings hurt. Your so blinded for your hate for alex smith that you cant see past your hirt feelings. There was not a better option then alex smith. I dont like geno smith he just rubs me the wrong way something about him is this off and hes selfish and wana be gangster. I cant say we wont ever be good but I just dont like him. You mqy not like alex smith but you let your hatred for him cloud your judgments. You have double standards that your to blind to see. so sorry that you got your feelings hurt and that it turned you into a homer. I think alex will suprise you.


Honestly, I don't get hurt feelings on an internet forum. I just don't feel like Alex Smith is the qb to take us anywhere.

[MyManHali]

MatthewsChiefs wants me to make a positive post about our offense, here it goes:


Alex Smith orchestrated a beautiful drive that last possession, and it was against a legit defense, something I don't believe I ever saw Matt Cassel do. If he can play like that for most of the season, regardless what his YPC is I will be a supporter.

[tornadospotter]

Mymanhali
you are the homer. You act like a kid that got yourself feelings hurt. Your so blinded for your hate for alex smith that you cant see past your hirt feelings. There was not a better option then alex smith. I dont like geno smith he just rubs me the wrong way something about him is this off and hes selfish and wana be gangster. I cant say we wont ever be good but I just dont like him. You mqy not like alex smith but you let your hatred for him cloud your judgments. You have double standards that your to blind to see. so sorry that you got your feelings hurt and that it turned you into a homer. I think alex will suprise you.

Not in anyway shape or form is mmh a homer! I am a Homer, and damm proud of it!

[matthewschiefs]

When did I ever say Eric Fisher was a bust? I said he looked like garbage, which has been true. He did play better against Pitt but we all saw Polamalu bust through the line right through Fisher on that 4th and short. You are totally within your right to say someone looks bad. What is wrong with that?

The reason I would give Geno or any other quarterback more time is because it is a developmental position. Notice how I have NEVER, EVER brought up Geno's circumstances in New York and I never will. You must admit that you brought up Alex Smith's circumstances early in his career over and over.

You might not have said Fisher is a bust but you have jumped on him for EVERY mistake he has made. It's preseason in his Rookie year. Of course he's going to make mistakes and have plays that he would like back. He most likely will have some in the real season as well. Like EVERY rookie in the history of the game has. They all have rookie moments that they learn from. What decides If a player is good or bad is if he learns from those rookie moments and cuts them from his game we will see for Fisher. So far some good some bad. The niners game was HORRIBLE but not from just Fisher from the whole O line. Why single out Fisher?

The reason I have brought up Geno is trying to get through to you what I feel is a double standard. You wouldn't think it's fair the judge to judge him. I have agreed that QB is more of a developmental position but that doesn't mean that any other rookie doesn't go through a developmental time. Preseason is NEVER a good time to judge a rookie. All I'm saying is take a chill pill and let him develop

You would be perfectly reasonable if you did bring up Geno's circumstances as I was with Smith. Geno's not in a great offense it's one of the things that is hurting him. Very True. He might get MUCH better if they get him a better offense. The reason I have brought up Smith's circumstances is because they have been a factor it's not an "excuse" it's fact. That team didn't go out and bring in a whole lot of new players after the 2010 season they got a MUCH better coach and the level of play went up across the board. That to me say that coaching was the biggest issue there. And while I will agree it doesn't take all blame from Smith it does show that not all the struggles were on Alex Smith. He was not in a great situation and it hurt him. Just like Geno right now. It's fair to bring out that point.

MatthewsChiefs wants me to make a positive post about our offense, here it goes:


Alex Smith orchestrated a beautiful drive that last possession, and it was against a legit defense, something I don't believe I ever saw Matt Cassel do. If he can play like that for most of the season, regardless what his YPC is I will be a supporter.

Thank you. Bring more post like this and you won't get the hate on here you do now. A little positive talk when due can go a long way

[jason1981]

Either way I dont believe we will ever see wether geno will be any good or not. I dont like what iv heard about him hut either way im sure the jets will ruin his career either way.

[ctchiefsfan]

you might not have said fisher is a bust but you have jumped on him for every mistake he has made. It's preseason in his rookie year. Of course he's going to make mistakes and have plays that he would like back. He most likely will have some in the real season as well. Like every rookie in the history of the game has. They all have rookie moments that they learn from. What decides if a player is good or bad is if he learns from those rookie moments and cuts them from his game we will see for fisher. So far some good some bad. The niners game was horrible but not from just fisher from the whole o line. Why single out fisher?

The reason i have brought up geno is trying to get through to you what i feel is a double standard. You wouldn't think it's fair the judge to judge him. I have agreed that qb is more of a developmental position but that doesn't mean that any other rookie doesn't go through a developmental time. Preseason is never a good time to judge a rookie. All i'm saying is take a chill pill and let him develop

you would be perfectly reasonable if you did bring up geno's circumstances as i was with smith. Geno's not in a great offense it's one of the things that is hurting him. Very true. He might get much better if they get him a better offense. The reason i have brought up smith's circumstances is because they have been a factor it's not an "excuse" it's fact. That team didn't go out and bring in a whole lot of new players after the 2010 season they got a much better coach and the level of play went up across the board. That to me say that coaching was the biggest issue there. And while i will agree it doesn't take all blame from smith it does show that not all the struggles were on alex smith. He was not in a great situation and it hurt him. Just like geno right now. It's fair to bring out that point.


Thank you. Bring more post like this and you won't get the hate on here you do now. A little positive talk when due can go a long way

big +1

[brdempsey69]

I had to go back and watch the highlight of Knile Davis' 109-yard kickoff return TD and it was hilarious.

I'll bet there were a lot of wet spots left in the seats by Steelers fans & Tomlin looked like he crapped his pants. Plus, the Steelers announcers sounded like they'd just gotten an enema when Davis broke into the clear and they knew nobody was going to catch him.

Hope to see more of that in the regular season.