Tamba Hali

[nigeriannightmare]

Say what u want about Carl and Herm but they found a gem. Don't know if y'all got to watch him on ESPN today but man is the guy educated, well spoken, and soft spoken. My favorite chief for sure. That is all.

[ctchiefsfan]

No doubt he was a great find! I was glad to see both Carl and Herm go, but not everything they did was bad.

[jap1]

Apparently Hali is a big tipper as well. And by big he likes to leave tips in the $1,000 dollar range at an average restaurant. When asked about it he said he is just trying to give back to the community and people who work just as hard as him who just werent as lucky as he was.

All around a classy guy and great player. Not the most athletic player, but he has a motor and drive and gets after the QB.

[tornadospotter]

I met him at training camp his rookie year, he is indeed soft spoken and has a heart as big as his motor. He did not just sign an autograph for my daughter, he took time to talk to her.

[nigeriannightmare]

I met him at training camp his rookie year, he is indeed soft spoken and has a heart as big as his motor. He did not just sign an autograph for my daughter, he took time to talk to her.

Im sure there are others like him. Too bad the media can't spitlight athletes like him more often. The true sports role model. Even if he smokes a little weed.

[ctchiefsfan]

I just can't get too excited about someone using weed. Not my cup of tea, prefer beer and maybe a little whiskey if I am at home, but I just don't see it as being any worse than alcohol and it's pretty clear now that eventually it will be legalized so I just can't get my nickers in a twist about it. So long as you are an upstanding citizen I don't get too worried about whether someone used alcohol or weed to relax. For me it is about how one behaves that is important.

[brdempsey69]

Good pick by Carl and Herm. He was the BPA and there weren't any O-Lineman available with that pick, even though replacements were needed for Willie Roaf and Will Shields.

Hali had much to do with that pick-six by Sean Smith. Tuel didn't have time to look for Stevie Johnson and had to go to his first look or else Hali would have decked him for a loss. Go look at the play again and you will see.

Denver's LT should not be able to block him. Clady had many troubles with Hali in the past and he won't even be there. I've seen the refs allow opponents to get away with holding Hali more than a few times this season & it'll probably happen again in Denver. Hali must plead his case to the officials and if they don't listen, then I hope Hali clobbers Manning if he gets a chance.

[ctchiefsfan]

Hali had much to do with that pick-six by Sean Smith. Tuel didn't have time to look for Stevie Johnson and had to go to his first look or else Hali would have decked him for a loss. Go look at the play again and you will see.

Absolutely right. half second more and Tuel would have been eating turf.


Denver's LT should not be able to block him. Clady had many troubles with Hali in the past and he won't even be there. I've seen the refs allow opponents to get away with holding Hali more than a few times this season & it'll probably happen again in Denver. Hali must plead his case to the officials and if they don't listen, then I hope Hali clobbers Manning if he gets a chance.

Agreed. If the damned zebras allow Hali to be held, there needs to come a point where he just decides to take the penalty in trade for a SERIOUS hit on Manning!

[brdempsey69]

Agreed. If the damned zebras allow Hali to be held, there needs to come a point where he just decides to take the penalty in trade for a SERIOUS hit on Manning!

And not just Hali. The Chiefs coaches need to paying attention to this also. The Chiefs defenders need to plead their case to both the officials and the Chiefs coaches & if it becomes apparent that the refs aren't calling obvious holding, then it's time for the Chiefs to implement their own rules with rule #1 being to go after Manning and knock him out. If Denver can't play on a level playing field and under the same rules as the other 31 teams, with the correct and proper calls being made by the officials, then they aren't winning games outright -- which is exactly what happened in '97 and '98.

I'm not saying the Donks didn't win both games outright against the Chiefs in 2012 -- they did. But, I've seen this movie before where they finished 13-3 and got first seed and then lost in the opening round ( in 1996 to the Jags and in 2012 to the Ravens ) and then the next season the playing field got tilted grossly in the Donkeys favor.

[jap1]

And not just Hali. The Chiefs coaches need to paying attention to this also. The Chiefs defenders need to plead their case to both the officials and the Chiefs coaches & if it becomes apparent that the refs aren't calling obvious holding, then it's time for the Chiefs to implement their own rules with rule #1 being to go after Manning and knock him out. If Denver can't play on a level playing field and under the same rules as the other 31 teams, with the correct and proper calls being made by the officials, then they aren't winning games outright -- which is exactly what happened in '97 and '98.

I'm not saying the Donks didn't win both games outright against the Chiefs in 2012 -- they did. But, I've seen this movie before where they finished 13-3 and got first seed and then lost in the opening round ( in 1996 to the Jags and in 2012 to the Ravens ) and then the next season the playing field got tilted grossly in the Donkeys favor.

I disagree entirely. I'd rather lose with honor than take a cheapshot on Manning. If one of my players did that, he would be sitting the rest of the game. Plus imagine what all the talking heads would say: "well they won, but it is only because they took a dirty cheapshot on Manning. The Donks really should have been the #1 ranked team if the Chiefs weren't so dirty."

[Eydugstr]

Agreed. If the damned zebras allow Hali to be held, there needs to come a point where he just decides to take the penalty in trade for a SERIOUS hit on Manning!


And not just Hali. The Chiefs coaches need to paying attention to this also. The Chiefs defenders need to plead their case to both the officials and the Chiefs coaches & if it becomes apparent that the refs aren't calling obvious holding, then it's time for the Chiefs to implement their own rules with rule #1 being to go after Manning and knock him out. If Denver can't play on a level playing field and under the same rules as the other 31 teams, with the correct and proper calls being made by the officials, then they aren't winning games outright -- which is exactly what happened in '97 and '98.

I'm not saying the Donks didn't win both games outright against the Chiefs in 2012 -- they did. But, I've seen this movie before where they finished 13-3 and got first seed and then lost in the opening round ( in 1996 to the Jags and in 2012 to the Ravens ) and then the next season the playing field got tilted grossly in the Donkeys favor.

As far as making an illegal hit on Manning...eh, let some other team do that. However if holding is going on, have EVERY player and coach possible pointing it out to the refs. It's one thing for just one player to speak up, but when several players start pointing it out, it'll cause refs to look, as well as cameramen, and sooner or later it'll start getting called. When it's called, BLITZ. It'll force their linemen to either make another hold and take the penalty, or not hold and watch Manning take a legal hit.

Also consider this...I'd much rather face a demoralized Broncos team than an enraged one. If Manning's hit legally and goes out of the game because their linemen couldn't handle the D, it's demoralizing. If Manning's hit illegally, it'll tick off their team to the point where they'll start looking for payback in any way, shape or form.

[brdempsey69]

As far as making an illegal hit on Manning...eh, let some other team do that. However if holding is going on, have EVERY player and coach possible pointing it out to the refs. It's one thing for just one player to speak up, but when several players start pointing it out, it'll cause refs to look, as well as cameramen, and sooner or later it'll start getting called. When it's called, BLITZ. It'll force their linemen to either make another hold and take the penalty, or not hold and watch Manning take a legal hit.

Also consider this...I'd much rather face a demoralized Broncos team than an enraged one. If Manning's hit legally and goes out of the game because their linemen couldn't handle the D, it's demoralizing. If Manning's hit illegally, it'll tick off their team to the point where they'll start looking for payback in any way, shape or form.

Personally, I'm not worried about the Donkeys being enraged & so much the better if they are. It's not OK for them to do illegal things & it seems to have become a Donkeys tradition. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire & send a stern message to a team like Denver, because if you don't, then they'll continue to carry on with it for as long as they think they can get away with it.

Neither the Donkeys or Peyton Manning should be an exception to the rules & if rules are being broken by the Donks and blatantly ignored by the refs, then it's not a level playing field & that is something that a majority of Donkeys fans could care less about -- in fact, they seem to be all for it.

I've seen the Chiefs Eric Berry grabbing opposing receivers jerseys beyond the 5-yard zone on more than one occasion & he better quit doing that or he's going to get flagged at an inopportune time and it could be very costly.

[Seek]

Not to say I love one kid over another, but the Chiefs have a few of those character guys. Derrick Johnson is tops of my list. The guy is a class A role Model. Eric Berry is another.

D Bowe is a great community guy even though I wish he would stop talking to the media to help his identity.

[matthewschiefs]

Tamba was on the Dan Patrick show this morning a show that I watch every day here's a link to his interview

http://www.danpatrick.com/2013/11/06/tamba-hali-on-richie-incognito-chiefs-being-disrespected-rap-career/

[ctchiefsfan]

As far as making an illegal hit on Manning...eh, let some other team do that. However if holding is going on, have EVERY player and coach possible pointing it out to the refs. It's one thing for just one player to speak up, but when several players start pointing it out, it'll cause refs to look, as well as cameramen, and sooner or later it'll start getting called. When it's called, BLITZ. It'll force their linemen to either make another hold and take the penalty, or not hold and watch Manning take a legal hit.

Also consider this...I'd much rather face a demoralized Broncos team than an enraged one. If Manning's hit legally and goes out of the game because their linemen couldn't handle the D, it's demoralizing. If Manning's hit illegally, it'll tick off their team to the point where they'll start looking for payback in any way, shape or form.


Personally, I'm not worried about the Donkeys being enraged & so much the better if they are. It's not OK for them to do illegal things & it seems to have become a Donkeys tradition. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire & send a stern message to a team like Denver, because if you don't, then they'll continue to carry on with it for as long as they think they can get away with it.

Neither the Donkeys or Peyton Manning should be an exception to the rules & if rules are being broken by the Donks and blatantly ignored by the refs, then it's not a level playing field & that is something that a majority of Donkeys fans could care less about -- in fact, they seem to be all for it.

I've seen the Chiefs Eric Berry grabbing opposing receivers jerseys beyond the 5-yard zone on more than one occasion & he better quit doing that or he's going to get flagged at an inopportune time and it could be very costly.

Both of you make valid and important points. I don't think anybody is advocating the Chiefs becoming the way the Raiders were for so many years--complete cheap-shot artists. But there does come a point where if the opposition is CONTINUOUSLY AND DELIBERATELY breaking the rules and the Zebras are DELIBERATELY ignoring it despite having the problem pointed out repeatedly then you have to say...."OK....what's good for the Donkey is good for the Chief. Break the rules and you will pay a price and if the Zebra won't make you pay that price then we will." To do otherwise invalidates everything the NFL stands for. I'm not advocating hits that are deliberately designed to do a player grievous bodily harm...we've seen where the "bounty scandal" led to....but players currently go to extraordinary lengths to avoid hitting a QB after he has released the ball, while he is sliding or while he is going out of bounds. A little less effort to avoid that late hit is acceptable in my mind in a situation where the opposition is gaining an unfair advantage by continuously and deliberately violating the rules and the Zebras are doing nothing about it. We all know that there is holding by the offensive line of every team on almost every play but it is momentary and fleeting....almost to the point of "did it really happen".....but if the holding is obvious and the Zebras do nothing after it is pointed out repeatedly, then what choice does any team really have?

[jap1]

Both of you make valid and important points. I don't think anybody is advocating the Chiefs becoming the way the Raiders were for so many years--complete cheap-shot artists. But there does come a point where if the opposition is CONTINUOUSLY AND DELIBERATELY breaking the rules and the Zebras are DELIBERATELY ignoring it despite having the problem pointed out repeatedly then you have to say...."OK....what's good for the Donkey is good for the Chief. Break the rules and you will pay a price and if the Zebra won't make you pay that price then we will." To do otherwise invalidates everything the NFL stands for. I'm not advocating hits that are deliberately designed to do a player grievous bodily harm...we've seen where the "bounty scandal" led to....but players currently go to extraordinary lengths to avoid hitting a QB after he has released the ball, while he is sliding or while he is going out of bounds. A little less effort to avoid that late hit is acceptable in my mind in a situation where the opposition is gaining an unfair advantage by continuously and deliberately violating the rules and the Zebras are doing nothing about it. We all know that there is holding by the offensive line of every team on almost every play but it is momentary and fleeting....almost to the point of "did it really happen".....but if the holding is obvious and the Zebras do nothing after it is pointed out repeatedly, then what choice does any team really have?

And risk getting 15 yard personal foul penalties, suspensions, etc. No thanks.

[Eydugstr]

Personally, I'm not worried about the Donkeys being enraged & so much the better if they are. It's not OK for them to do illegal things & it seems to have become a Donkeys tradition. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire & send a stern message to a team like Denver, because if you don't, then they'll continue to carry on with it for as long as they think they can get away with it.

Neither the Donkeys or Peyton Manning should be an exception to the rules & if rules are being broken by the Donks and blatantly ignored by the refs, then it's not a level playing field & that is something that a majority of Donkeys fans could care less about -- in fact, they seem to be all for it.

There's one big drawback to fighting fire with fire...It's usually the reaction that gets flagged. And we'll be facing a team that has a history of calls going their way. We don't need a Sunday Night Meltdown to go along with the Monday night one.

Hear what you're saying, Brd - trust me when I say that I've no love of the current Broncos - but still staying with the idea of multiple players & coaches pointing out holds to refs. If one or two players point, the refs won't budge for the donks. But if you get five or six guys, plus coaches on the sidelines, the cameras will start doing more playbacks, and then the refs follow suit and start making the calls. When the calls happen...blitz.

[brdempsey69]

And risk getting 15 yard personal foul penalties, suspensions, etc. No thanks.

Or do nothing & let the Donks get away rules violations that have a major impact on the game & then what does that accomplish? Not a damn thing. Because they'll keep doing it until somebody does stand up hardcore against it. And if the Donks O-Line is allowed to get away with holding in this game, and the Chiefs can't get pressure on the QB, then Manning will play pitch & catch with his receivers all game long, which the Chiefs can not afford.

If you wish to see a SB trophy handed over to Denver without them earning it outright like it was '97 and '98, then be my guest. I'd prefer it be won outright by the best team & I'm not convinced that team is Denver. The Donks weren't the best team in '97 or '98, either.

[brdempsey69]

There's one big drawback to fighting fire with fire...It's usually the reaction that gets flagged. And we'll be facing a team that has a history of calls going their way. We don't need a Sunday Night Meltdown to go along with the Monday night one.

Hear what you're saying, Brd - trust me when I say that I've no love of the current Broncos - but still staying with the idea of multiple players & coaches pointing out holds to refs. If one or two players point, the refs won't budge for the donks. But if you get five or six guys, plus coaches on the sidelines, the cameras will start doing more playbacks, and then the refs follow suit and start making the calls. When the calls happen...blitz.

Believe me, I know what I'm saying, and I remember the Monday Night meltdown, but I can't blame Derrick Thomas one bit. I rather enjoyed watching DT grab big-mouth Sharpe's facemask and sling him around and nearly rip his head off.

Five or six guys plus the coaches MAYBE will get them to listen ( but I doubt it ), but drawing blood literally will certainly get their attention. The Chiefs most like won't go the route that I'm suggesting, as far as drawing blood goes, but you won't hear me complain if they do.

And I will admit openly, that it would suit me fine if the Chiefs engaged in more of a literal hand-to-hand combat warfare against the Donks with several fistfights breaking out, then play football, because I'm of the belief they are going to get screwed somehow with this game being shifted to primetime and at 9-0, they can afford to for this one, anyway.

[Eydugstr]

Believe me, I know what I'm saying, and I remember the Monday Night meltdown, but I can't blame Derrick Thomas one bit. I rather enjoyed watching DT grab big-mouth Sharpe's facemask and sling him around and nearly rip his head off.

Five or six guys plus the coaches MAYBE will get them to listen ( but I doubt it ), but drawing blood literally will certainly get their attention. The Chiefs most like won't go the route that I'm suggesting, as far as drawing blood goes, but you won't hear me complain if they do.

And I will admit openly, that it would suit me fine if the Chiefs engaged in more of a literal hand-to-hand combat warfare against the Donks with several fistfights breaking out, then play football, because I'm of the belief they are going to get screwed somehow with this game being shifted to primetime and at 9-0, they can afford to for this one, anyway.

Yeah, remember that. Remember Wayne Simmons punching Shannon Sharpe, too. Also remember Wayne Simmons getting released the next day, and DT getting suspended. Both Shannon Sharpe and DT got huge fines from the league, too.

It's not just the players & coaches. It's the cameras. Unlike '98, if a ref makes a bad call, it gets presented in full HD and often gets posted on youtube within minutes after it happens. The league probably gets the email about it in the same amount of time. Does it make the refs immune from the Pat Bowlen/Turd Elway schmoozling? No. But the refs aren't immune to losing their jobs, either. If the crud calls happen - Point. Make 'em famous.

You're right about the nonsense of being moved to primetime. It's bull. Wouldn't be surprised to find out if the move was done to give better exposure to Papa John's commercials.

Far as I'm concerned, the first Bronco that takes a swing...That's THEIR funeral. But until then it's football not MMA.

[brdempsey69]

^^Good points, Eydugstr -- especially regarding the "Pat Bowlen/Turd Elway schmoozling". BTW, I'm pleased to see another Chiefs fan join me in giving Elway that reference. It's like they say if the shoe fits him let him wear it. And that reference comes from a poke at Elway's passing style as illustrated below:

Remember the 1991 game in KC in the 3rd QTR with the Chiefs leading 13-10 and Denver had a 3rd down on the Chiefs 30-yard line and Elway went across the LOS and pulled a turd out of his back pocket and threw it into the end zone and it stuck to Mark Jackson for a TD, and not only did the Line Judge not correctly flag Elway for being across the LOS, but instant replay also refused to overturn it. When Elway was asked about the play his response was "if I had known I was across the LOS, then I wouldn't have thrown the ball" <--- that is NOT the point, the point is the refs and instant replay both blew it as it should have been a penalty and loss of down instead of a Denver TD. Elway, to me, lost all credibility with that statement and I'll admit that I was hoping somebody would maim him from that point on.

[Eydugstr]

Actually, no I didn't know about the "Turd" referencing to a specific game or play. Is there a clip of that somewhere on youtube? I'll have to check. When I call Elway a turd it's referring to many things, a career of poo-flinging that got somehow got everyone else around him fired while somehow never getting himself axed. As a former broncos fan, my irritation started when Coach Reeves got fired. IMHO that's the moment when the Broncos ceased being a team, and became a sideshow act for Elway.

[brdempsey69]

Actually, no I didn't know about the "Turd" referencing to a specific game or play. Is there a clip of that somewhere on youtube? I'll have to check. When I call Elway a turd it's referring to many things, a career of poo-flinging that got somehow got everyone else around him fired while somehow never getting himself axed. As a former broncos fan, my irritation started when Coach Reeves got fired. IMHO that's the moment when the Broncos ceased being a team, and became a sideshow act for Elway.

Really? You were a former Broncos fan? When did you come over to KC? I hope you weren't a Donks fan when they went up against the Niners in SB 24 when the man Montana showed the boy Elway who was who in that 55-10 blowout.

You are right about the Elway sideshow and it seemed in '97 and '98 everything revolved league-wide around helping him get his two SB rings that he couldn't earn outright under Dan Reeves. Donkeys fans can't stomach it when you tell them Elways SB record is 0 wins, 3 losses, and 2 given to him by the league office because he wasn't good enough to earn one outright, but it's the truth.

Sorry but I don't have a clip of that '91 Donks-Chiefs game in 1991, but trust me, my account of what happened is 100% accurate.

Anyway, since this thread is about Hali, lets hope he gets to Manning all game long, and that Hali and the rest of the Chiefs Defense puts Manning under the hardest rush he's seen all year.

[Eydugstr]

Really? You were a former Broncos fan? When did you come over to KC? I hope you weren't a Donks fan when they went up against the Niners in SB 24 when the man Montana showed the boy Elway who was who in that 55-10 blowout.

You are right about the Elway sideshow and it seemed in '97 and '98 everything revolved league-wide around helping him get his two SB rings that he couldn't earn outright under Dan Reeves. Donkeys fans can't stomach it when you tell them Elways SB record is 0 wins, 3 losses, and 2 given to him by the league office because he wasn't good enough to earn one outright, but it's the truth.

Sorry but I don't have a clip of that '91 Donks-Chiefs game in 1991, but trust me, my account of what happened is 100% accurate.

Anyway, since this thread is about Hali, lets hope he gets to Manning all game long, and that Hali and the rest of the Chiefs Defense puts Manning under the hardest rush he's seen all year.

Yep. We lived in KC from the late '70's to mid '80's, moved to Denver, then moved back to KC in late '89. KC was a baseball town, but Denver took their football very seriously, and Reeves & Elway certainly made it fun to watch. Yes, did watch the SB where Montana sliced & diced the Broncos (That SF team was INCREDIBLE.) but by that point I was a Chiefs fan. The whole Reeves/Elway fued was a turnoff, and after all those great Broncos/Browns games Marty had earned a lot of respect.

Too long of a story to post here, but will sum it up by saying that the Reeves SB Broncos teams and the Broncos(ish) teams that went to on to win SB's in '97 & '98 were two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT critters. Under Reeves they struggled, but they held their egos in check and earned everything they got. Sure, the Reeve's teams had some calls go their way, but nothing as blatanly going their way like it did in the late nineties.

To relate this back to Tamba Hali...Tamba has earned every bit of his success. What he did for that poster's daughter was great, bet she'll remember that for a long time!! When he came here, he was originally a defensive lineman, but really took off as a linebacker. So far not one NFL team we've faced has been able to stop this LB corps or D-line. And Tamba's a big part of that.

[brdempsey69]

Yep. We lived in KC from the late '70's to mid '80's, moved to Denver, then moved back to KC in late '89. KC was a baseball town, but Denver took their football very seriously, and Reeves & Elway certainly made it fun to watch. Yes, did watch the SB where Montana sliced & diced the Broncos (That SF team was INCREDIBLE.) but by that point I was a Chiefs fan. The whole Reeves/Elway fued was a turnoff, and after all those great Broncos/Browns games Marty had earned a lot of respect.

Too long of a story to post here, but will sum it up by saying that the Reeves SB Broncos teams and the Broncos(ish) teams that went to on to win SB's in '97 & '98 were two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT critters. Under Reeves they struggled, but they held their egos in check and earned everything they got. Sure, the Reeve's teams had some calls go their way, but nothing as blatanly going their way like it did in the late nineties.

To relate this back to Tamba Hali...Tamba has earned every bit of his success. What he did for that poster's daughter was great, bet she'll remember that for a long time!! When he came here, he was originally a defensive lineman, but really took off as a linebacker. So far not one NFL team we've faced has been able to stop this LB corps or D-line. And Tamba's a big part of that.

Excellent point illustrated there. Another illustrative example would be the 1990 Giants, who won the NFC Championship 15-13 with the key play being a Roger Craig fumble recovered by Lawrence Taylor that gave the Giants a chance at a game-winning FG, and the the SB that followed where the key play was Scott Norwood missing that FG and allowed the Giants to win 20-19. What happened with the '97 and '98 Donkeys was NOT along that same vein as the 1990 Giants, not by a longshot.

And I openly admit that I've never gotten over what Marty did regarding Rich Gannon in that 1997 playoff game. It was absolutely unthinkable & proved that Marty didn't care about winning in the post-season, for if he had, then Gannon would have been in the game by no later than the end of the 1st QTR. One needs to ask themselves this -- how could Marty substitute Gannon in for Grbac after a couple of series when Grbac was struggling to move the Offense in a meaningless season final against NO, but not substitute Gannon in for Grbac after a couple of series when Grbac was struggling to move the Offense in a meaningful post-season game against the Donkeys? Marty was without excuse.

I'm really hopeful that the current Chiefs regime NEVER makes that sort of mistake & hope that they devise a game plan to give the Chiefs a chance to win in Denver -- especially a Defensive scheme that will slow down the Donkeys Offense for 4 QTR's and put Manning under the hardest rush he's seen all year long. led by Hali, of course. I really don't believe that Donks current LT can block Hali all game long and keep Hali at bay without holding him. Question is, will the refs call it when it happens, because I'm willing to bet the farm that it will happen & multiple times.

[Chiefster]

No doubt about it, Hali is more than a solid pick. My hat's off to Carl who gave us ten good years.

[Eydugstr]

Excellent point illustrated there. Another illustrative example would be the 1990 Giants, who won the NFC Championship 15-13 with the key play being a Roger Craig fumble recovered by Lawrence Taylor that gave the Giants a chance at a game-winning FG, and the the SB that followed where the key play was Scott Norwood missing that FG and allowed the Giants to win 20-19. What happened with the '97 and '98 Donkeys was NOT along that same vein as the 1990 Giants, not by a longshot.

And I openly admit that I've never gotten over what Marty did regarding Rich Gannon in that 1997 playoff game. It was absolutely unthinkable & proved that Marty didn't care about winning in the post-season, for if he had, then Gannon would have been in the game by no later than the end of the 1st QTR. One needs to ask themselves this -- how could Marty substitute Gannon in for Grbac after a couple of series when Grbac was struggling to move the Offense in a meaningless season final against NO, but not substitute Gannon in for Grbac after a couple of series when Grbac was struggling to move the Offense in a meaningful post-season game against the Donkeys? Marty was without excuse.

I'm really hopeful that the current Chiefs regime NEVER makes that sort of mistake & hope that they devise a game plan to give the Chiefs a chance to win in Denver -- especially a Defensive scheme that will slow down the Donkeys Offense for 4 QTR's and put Manning under the hardest rush he's seen all year long. led by Hali, of course. I really don't believe that Donks current LT can block Hali all game long and keep Hali at bay without holding him. Question is, will the refs call it when it happens, because I'm willing to bet the farm that it will happen & multiple times.

LT made a LOT of guys fumble in his day! But when you bring that game up, are you referring to the Browns/Broncos game when Byner fumbled? No, there's no comparison attitude or hype-wise from the Bill Parcells' Giants to the late nineties donks.

When I think back about the situation with Gannon/Grbac and the '97 season...The lesson learned should've been "Stick with the QB that's got the hot hand." Marty didn't, and it handicapped the offense in the middle of a game that was already being choked by bad calls/no calls. While I don't believe that Marty wanted to lose that game, I'm sure there were some front office types that said to themselves, "Hey let's focus on season ticket sales, just win during the regular season, we can raise parking prices..." and I'm sure CP was not wanting to see all his efforts at promoting Elvis Grbac as (another) KC QBOTF waste away on the bench watching a QB (one that CP publicly stated he felt wasn't the long term answer for KC) win ball games. Between all that, playoff hype, facing John Elway hype (again), and just trying to get a team ready to play a game...Marty was in a pressure cooker.

Whatever the circumstances, sometimes you got to just make life simple, fix the obvious and deal with the backlash afterwards. Marty didn't. Unfortunately.

Yeah I'd agree...Tamba's going to get held. A lot. It's the Inve$co way. While I can sympathize with a player holding a defender & taking a penalty to keep his teams' vital $95 mil QB healthy, I'll never go along with a ref letting it slide again and again.

[Seek]

Not to say I love one kid over another, but the Chiefs have a few of those character guys. Derrick Johnson is tops of my list. The guy is a class A role Model. Eric Berry is another.

D Bowe is a great community guy even though I wish he would stop talking to the media to help his identity.

Wow, D Bowe just threw this one compliment back at me. Apparently just talking to the media is not the only stupid thing he excels at.