Discuss the Game with a Broncos Fan

[BroncosFan]

Hello everyone!
I have decided to join this forum in hostile territory to discuss this game. This is probably the biggest game of either of our team's season.

First, you should know that the majority of Broncos fans are very worried about this game. We do not believe this will be a blowout. Reason being: we lost to Indy. They provided the blueprint on turning out the Broncos. I admit we got ****y, blowing out teams left and right and now teams know how to take Manning out of the game.

Really: provide a great 4-man rush, putting pressure on Manning and man-coverage against our WRs. Who is able to do this better than the Chiefs? I think the Chiefs could really put pressure on Manning and cause him to cough up some turnovers.

Something I think the Chiefs should be worried about is Denver's defense is much better than they look on paper. Think of it like this...when a team is behind and couldn't put points up on the opposing team all game, then suddenly at the end they run no-huddle and seem to easily move down the field to stay in the game. It's called garbage-time. The Broncos have blown out a lot of teams early, causing teams to give up on their running game and throw the ball. And without Miller and Bailey for most of the season, teams could easily throw on us.

Now we have Philips (who is having a great season) and Miller back, we have a formidable pass-rush that's only getting better. Denver also has a great run defense, stopping every RB so far this season and even the high-powered RG3/Alfred Morris and Vick/McCoy combos.

In this game, I think the Chiefs will slow the Broncos offense down. I just read an article on Yahoo about how Reid went out and found large CBs to cover the larger, physical Broncos WRs. So you're going to disrupt our offensive juggernaut. But in biased fashion, I think Manning will find a way to score points, especially by leaning on screens and running the ball to slow down the blitzes. I just don't see the Chiefs scoring more points than the Broncos UNLESS the defense causes Manning to give up several turnovers.

It will be a great game and I give you guys mad respect for the turnaround you've made. Finally the West is competitive again and it's really good!

What are your thoughts?

[jap1]

I agree completely that it is going to be a great matchup. I think the home field advantage is going to be hard for us to overcome, but I think we match up well.

Like you said, the key is to put pressure on the QB with a 4-man rush. Oddly enough, I read some stats a few weeks ago that our team has more sacks with a 4-man rush than when we are in our base defense and rush 5. On that note, I wouldnt be surprised to see us with a 2 man line with Poe and a rotation of our other DLinemen in the middle, with Hali and Houston rushing on almost every down, with an occasional blitz by DJ. That would allow us to have an extra cornerback on the field as well as keeping 2 MLBs to cover the run.

Manning is going to score. I doubt we will be able to set the record for most games where we held the opponent under 17 points (we are tied right now). I expect you guys to get at least 21-24 points, if not more. The big question for this matchup is whether we can put up 24-30 points (what I expect it is going to take to win). I dont expect our D to score any touchdowns against the efficient Denver O, unless we force a fumble, so it is likely going to be on our offense to put up points.

Part of me hopes that Reid has been holding back the offense on purpose, but the rational side of me thinks that is not likely.

[BroncosFan]

Yeah I asked the question on the Broncos forum...how do we stop the rush/blitz? If we had Clady, I think he would be a major factor in slowing down the rush. But if we can keep Manning upright and give him more time to throw, he'll pick the Chief's D apart. So the pass rush will be the difference maker in this game IMO.

[ctchiefsfan]

WELCOME!!!! BroncosFan to the Bulletin Board of the best team in the NFL!!!! You'll find that if you respect where you are you'll be well-treated here.

I have no quibble with most anything you said, except for this.....


This is probably the biggest game of either of our team's season.

It is in fact the biggest game of the year for the broncos. If you win we still remain with an equal record to yours (except for tie-breakers). If the Chiefs win then we are two games ahead of you. Your broncos have their backs against the wall in this game. If you are down 2 games and have to come to Arrowhead then you are deeply in the shi*!

Your thrice-damned donks :) have a good team! No doubt! But like our Chiefs they have not faced much in the way of opposition this year. We haven't played a team that currently has a winning record. You have....once....and you lost. So in reality, both our teams success remains "suspect".

As much of a "homer" as I am, I'm not going to claim this will be an easy game for our Chiefs. You could blow us out. If we beat you it will probably be pretty close. Almost certainly under 10 points and I can see it being a 1-3 point game.

The first half will be the key to the game. Our D has been outstanding in the 3rd quarter and absolute bullies in the 4th quarter. Your offense has been at their best in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Won't happen against our D unless you already have a substantial lead. If you can get a 14 or more point lead in the 1st half then we are in deep trouble. We've yet to show the ability for 14+ point comebacks. If the game is within 6 points at the start of the 4th then we will strangle manning like the Boston Strangler and somehow come up with the points to win--most likely from our D.

We have yet to see both our D and our O come up with 4 quarters of their best or even their "above average" in the same game. We are going to need to if we hope to beat you. We can beat your broncos like rented mules if our D and O both put together a game that lives up to the potential they have shown. Only Sunday will tell.

As things stand right now, I give you the edge in this game because of home field advantage. But I wouldn't bet the price of a beer on this game one way or the other.

Just as an aside.......If your great but old and creaky QB gets hurt I sincerely hope it is not seriously hurt. He is going to be facing a tough pass rush and your boys must have your hearts in your mouths every time he hits the turf.

Best wishes for your coaches speedy recovery and may the best team win!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Welcome to the forum I for one enjoy other teams fans as long as they are respectful some smack talk is ok but to do nothing but talk trash is not going to go over well.

As for the game I have said a number of times first I expect Denver to win at home. And the Chiefs to win the rematch at Arrowhead. Both teams are able to win at the others place. But I really see a split.

The key to this game I have said before is not the Chiefs defense vs the Broncos offense. It's the Chiefs offense vs the Broncos defense. If the Chiefs can do what the Chargers did keeping Manning on the sideline that' going to be a big plus in their chances to win the football game. They simply have to be able to finish drives unlike what the Chargers did. But they have to keep the ball away from the Broncos offense as much as they can. The Chiefs offense hasn't been as bad as some think. They have looked really good at times. But they have yet to put it together for a full game. They are going to have to do that to win in Denver.

Miller coming back is going to help your d for sure but I really still think that D is weak. Go back to last year in the playoffs. Even with Miller that D cost you guys in the playoffs. And it wasn't just that one play in OT that cost you. The Ravens put up a ton of points. Miller being suspended hurt for sure so the D numbers made them look worse then what they are with Miller but I still think at the end of the year that's what's going to keep Denver from winning it all.

[Coach]

18-17, Chiefs! I predict that we will struggle on offense but create some turnovers on defense that allow us to score a few points. Our offensive line will get exposed, again. But I won't be shocked if Manning doesn't finish the game due to injury. Best way to kill a snake is to cut off its head.

[jason1981]

Well I ha e to disagree with the bronco fan in which he says majority of broncos fans are worried about the chiefs. I joined the broncos forum past month and 98 % of them say it will be a blowout win for them and that the chiefs are frauds or pretenders. They say our defense is real but cant hold them below 30 points and that we cant score 30 against them. None of them was worried at all. The only thing the was worried about is turnovers bjt they think they cqn shut down charles and that we wont be able to atop their run game. They are way to confident borderline ****y when ot comes to beleivi g they will blow out the chiefs. They even made a thread that they cant wait til pfm (manning) humiliates us on national tv. So I wouldnt say majority of them are worried.
Funny thing is like the chiefs have beaten all teams .500 pr below like the broncos amd the only team denver faced with a winning record was the colts amd they lost to them. Yet they use our schedule as an excuse.

[BroncosFan]

Well, this is NOT meant as being disrespectful or trash talk, but the reason why the media (and some Broncos fans) have doubted the Chiefs is because of who we faced. The poster above stated that we've both faced bad teams. I disagree. Though Denver's second-half of the schedule is indeed more difficult than the first, we blew out most of our opponents. Even during the Indy game, we had many drives when we blew down the field and scored in less than a minute!

The consensus about the Chiefs is they barely beat lowly teams with no starting QB, like the Browns and Buffalo. Again, no disrespect meant by this post, but I believe this is just as big a game for the Chiefs as it is for the Broncos. A loss for Chiefs would put them in second place and it would prove the media right that KC's record is only a fluke because they haven't faced a decent offense yet.

So winning the game would prove that ya'll are true contenders. When people ask who will go to the Super Bowl, no one gives KC a chance. They're not a well-rounded team. You may think you can slow Denver down, but you just can't outscore Denver.

[RaiderHater61]

The Chiefs have already proven they are contenders. After the end of last year and looking at the schedule for this year no one would(could) have predicted how this season has unfolded. I did not look at the broncos schedule other than when they played the Chiefs. No matter how last years favorites have started this year, the Chiefs are doing what it takes to win. Before this season started I would not expect the Chiefs to win in Denver. Now I know they can.

No matter the outcome this should be a good game! I hate that it has been moved to Sunday night, getting up at 4am Monday will be tough! My daughter lives in Denver and loves to rag on me about the Chiefs, she has been quiet this year. As much as I love my daughter I hope she stays that way!

[matthewschiefs]

Well, this is NOT meant as being disrespectful or trash talk, but the reason why the media (and some Broncos fans) have doubted the Chiefs is because of who we faced. The poster above stated that we've both faced bad teams. I disagree. Though Denver's second-half of the schedule is indeed more difficult than the first, we blew out most of our opponents. Even during the Indy game, we had many drives when we blew down the field and scored in less than a minute!

The consensus about the Chiefs is they barely beat lowly teams with no starting QB, like the Browns and Buffalo. Again, no disrespect meant by this post, but I believe this is just as big a game for the Chiefs as it is for the Broncos. A loss for Chiefs would put them in second place and it would prove the media right that KC's record is only a fluke because they haven't faced a decent offense yet.

So winning the game would prove that ya'll are true contenders. When people ask who will go to the Super Bowl, no one gives KC a chance. They're not a well-rounded team. You may think you can slow Denver down, but you just can't outscore Denver.

I don't think that there are many Chiefs fans who think we can outscore Denver. That's why the matchup between the Chiefs offense and Denvers D is so important. I don't know how much of our games you watch but when the Chiefs offense is at it's best they hold on to the ball and go on long drives. That's going to be the Key to beating you guys. The Chiefs are going to have to be at their best offense which will help the defense.

The Chiefs when they are at their best are a very well rounded team. They play complementary football the offense helps the Defense by staying on the field limiting the chances of the other team to score. The defense helps the offense by getting 3 and outs creating short fields for the offense. The problem for them has been they have yet to play at their best for a full game. They have done it for a half or 3 quarters but not a full game. For them to beat Denver they'll have to do that for a full game. It will be a tough one but I think there are a lot of Denver fans out their who think that Denver's going to just walk over the Chiefs. I think this one you guys win 28-24 but I hope to be wrong.

[jap1]

Well, it depends on how you look at the stats (just like any kind of statistics). Denver beat their opponents by an average of 16 points/game, which is more than the Chiefs 7ppg.

However, if you look at points scored relative to how many surrendered, it looks a lot different. Because our D allows so few points, we have scored nearly 2x (1.9x to be exact) as many points as we have allowed (215-111), whereas for you guys it is closer to 1.56x (371-238).

We can also look at common opponents:
KC DEN
NY 31-7 (24pts) 41-23 (18)
Oak 24-7 (17) 37-21 (17)
Phi 26-16 (10) 52-20 (32)
Dal 17-16 (1) 51-48 (3)
Jax 28-2 (26) 35-19 (16)

Total:126-48 (78pts) 216-131 (85pts)

In 2 games we won by a bigger margin, in 2 games it was a very close margin to yours (im counting the dallas game as being the same margin of vistory) and in one game you won by a bigger margin.

I dont think it is going to be a blow out. It will be close, but I think the high altitude may wear down our defense.

I am predicting that we are going to limit the Donkeys to the mid to high 20s. The question is can we score into the high 20s or 30s? The big question is how your D is going to do against our O.

[TopekaRoy]

Blah, blah, blah... Even during the Indy game, we had many drives when we blew down the field and scored in less than a minute!

The consensus about the Chiefs is they barely beat lowly teams with no starting QB, like the Browns and Buffalo.

Ah, now the warped twisted "Bronco think" comes out (No offense or disrespect intended. You are a product of your environment.)

You are forgetting Eli Manning, Tom Roethlisburger, Michael Vick and Tony Romo. Most people would consider all of them to be pretty good QBs. I would argue that Keenum was an upgrade over Schaub, and Campbell was an upgrade over Weeden. That accounts for 6 of the nine teams the Chiefs have beaten.

I wouldn't brag about moving the ball against Indy (who you lost to). Their defense is ranked 19th against the pass and 26th against the rush. They gave up 95 points in their last 3 games, lost to the Rams (!) 38-8 and are losing to the Titans 17-3 as I write this.


Again, no disrespect meant by this post, but I believe this is just as big a game for the Chiefs as it is for the Broncos. A loss for Chiefs would put them in second place ...

Actually a Chiefs loss would put both teams tied for first place. True, the Donks would have the tie breaker but that only factors in if both teams end up with the same record. Even if the Chiefs do lose this week, they can win at Arrowhead and reclaim the lead outright (assuming both teams win or lose next week). If Denver loses this week, a win at Arrowhead would still leave them one game back in the standings.


and it would prove the media right that KC's record is only a fluke because they haven't faced a decent offense yet.

One game doesn't prove anything. If the Chiefs win, the media will say that they only won because Manning is playing on two sprained ankles and Ryan Clady is out. They would also point out that Denver STILL hasn't beaten a team with a winning record, so what does beating them prove?


So winning the game would prove that ya'll are true contenders. When people ask who will go to the Super Bowl, no one gives KC a chance. They're not a well-rounded team. You may think you can slow Denver down, but you just can't outscore Denver.

9-0 already proves that the Chiefs are "contenders." The Chiefs are outscoring their opponents by an average of 11.56 points per game. That is 2nd in the NFL to only Denver at 14.78 ppg (Really. Look it up.) You say the Broncos are blowing out their opponents (51-48!) and the Chiefs are barely beating theirs, but Denver is only winning, on average by one more field goal, than the Chiefs are!

You say we can't outscore Denver? i say you can't outscore Kansas City. Nobody has done it yet. The Chiefs have not given up more than 17 points in ANY game this year and have not scored less than 17 in ANY game this year. Denver hasn't held ANY team to less than 20 points, this year. Twice they gave up 39 or more points and twice they have scored less than 39 points. If the Chargers can hold the Broncos to 28 then the Cheifs can surely keep them in the 20-24 point range.

I appreciate you coming into hostile territory and defending your team, but come on, Donkey fan. You will have to do better than that! :smile

[TopekaRoy]

Well, it depends on how you look at the stats (just like any kind of statistics). Denver beat their opponents by an average of 16 points/game, which is more than the Chiefs 7ppg.

Good post. I just have couple of minor corrections.

Denver has outscored it's opponents by 133 points. 133/9 = 14.78, not 16.

KC has outscored it's opponents by 104 points. 104/9 = 11.56, not 7.

And 37-21 is 16, not 17.

So...

However, if you look at points scored relative to how many surrendered, it looks a lot different. Because our D allows so few points, we have scored nearly 2x (1.9x to be exact) as many points as we have allowed (215-111), whereas for you guys it is closer to 1.56x (371-238).

We can also look at common opponents:
KC DEN
NY 31-7 (24pts) 41-23 (18)
Oak 24-7 (17) 37-21 (16)
Phi 26-16 (10) 52-20 (32)
Dal 17-16 (1) 51-48 (3)
Jax 28-2 (26) 35-19 (16)

Total:126-48 (78pts) 216-131 (85pts)

In 2 games we won by a bigger margin, in 2 games it was a very close margin to yours (im counting the dallas and oakland games as being the same margin of vistory) and in one game you won by a bigger margin.

I dont think it is going to be a blow out. It will be close, but I think the high altitude may wear down our defense.

I am predicting that we are going to limit the Donkeys to the mid to high 20s. The question is can we score into the high 20s or 30s? The big question is how your D is going to do against our O.

[ctchiefsfan]

Thanks Topeka! My blood was "getting up" again and I was going to be rude to our guest. MY BAD! But you got out your calculator and politely introduced him to some inconvenient facts. I took the bit out of my teeth and have calmed down. Truly appreciate it. I hate it when I let my emotions override my civility. Thanks again man!!!

BroncosFan......This game remains far more of a MUST WIN for your broncos than it is for our Chiefs. If you lose, the chance of the Broncos winning the AFC West go straight into the crapper. A loss would mean they are 2 games down and facing the Chiefs in Arrowhead in 2 1/2 weeks. If that ain't bad juju I don't know what is. But if the Chiefs lose our records will be tied and you will still have to come to OUR HOUSE! Advantage Chiefs. As to our needing to win this game to "get respect".....Some of the silliest nonsense I have ever read. The ONLY real respect you get in the NFL is by winning the Superbowl. Oh sure the media respects the donkeys and thinks manning's shi* don't stink, but if you don't win the Super Bowl you'll still just be another loser. Just like we will be if we don't win the Super Bowl. The difference is that the media will still talk about the Chiefs amazing turnaround even if we don't win the Super Bowl. If you don't win the Super Bowl you'll become the most powerful team EVER to not win the Super Bowl. The Chiefs are the underdogs and we LIKE it that way! The only respect we give a flying fig about is the respect we have for our team.

Rest assured, we don't need some media moron to give us respect. We'll get respect the old-fashioned way--we'll go out and EARN IT!!! In all likelihood both your broncos and our Chiefs are going to the playoffs, and once the playoffs start it is a whole new season. If you want to go to the big dance you are probably going to have to beat us 3 times this year. Long odds my friend. LONG ODDS.

[Justin5772002]

Thanks Topeka! My blood was "getting up" again and I was going to be rude to our guest. MY BAD! But you got out your calculator and politely introduced him to some inconvenient facts. I took the bit out of my teeth and have calmed down. Truly appreciate it. I hate it when I let my emotions override my civility. Thanks again man!!!

BroncosFan......This game remains far more of a MUST WIN for your broncos than it is for our Chiefs. If you lose, the chance of the Broncos winning the AFC West go straight into the crapper. A loss would mean they are 2 games down and facing the Chiefs in Arrowhead in 2 1/2 weeks. If that ain't bad juju I don't know what is. But if the Chiefs lose our records will be tied and you will still have to come to OUR HOUSE! Advantage Chiefs. As to our needing to win this game to "get respect".....Some of the silliest nonsense I have ever read. The ONLY real respect you get in the NFL is by winning the Superbowl. Oh sure the media respects the donkeys and thinks manning's shi* don't stink, but if you don't win the Super Bowl you'll still just be another loser. Just like we will be if we don't win the Super Bowl. The difference is that the media will still talk about the Chiefs amazing turnaround even if we don't win the Super Bowl. If you don't win the Super Bowl you'll become the most powerful team EVER to not win the Super Bowl. The Chiefs are the underdogs and we LIKE it that way! The only respect we give a flying fig about is the respect we have for our team.

Rest assured, we don't need some media moron to give us respect. We'll get respect the old-fashioned way--we'll go out and EARN IT!!! In all likelihood both your broncos and our Chiefs are going to the playoffs, and once the playoffs start it is a whole new season. If you want to go to the big dance you are probably going to have to beat us 3 times this year. Long odds my friend. LONG ODDS.


CT I love this post, Roy I like your post as well. I've been saying it for a while now everyone discredits the chiefs for facing backup QBs, but in reality the facts are those teams are winning with those QBs now where they were not with their starters. Manning better sleep with his eyes open cause the chiefs defense is coming for him

[ctchiefsfan]

CT I love this post, Roy I like your post as well. I've been saying it for a while now everyone discredits the chiefs for facing backup QBs, but in reality the facts are those teams are winning with those QBs now where they were not with their starters. Manning better sleep with his eyes open cause the chiefs defense is coming for him

Thanks Justin!!!

[jap1]

Good post. I just have couple of minor corrections.

Denver has outscored it's opponents by 133 points. 133/9 = 14.78, not 16.

KC has outscored it's opponents by 104 points. 104/9 = 11.56, not 7.

And 37-21 is 16, not 17.

So...

Thanks ... most of the math was done in my head, hence the errors.

[Seek]

I personally believe the chiefs will lose by double digits. I am not one to look a the record and forget how the chiefs have won many of these games. A lot of it was luck and just poor play from bad teams or back up players. There was a 14 point swing against Buffalo that Manning would not make.

I truly think this week will be a humbling to many Chiefs fans. All these stats are being thrown out there to support why we are better then the Donkies, but none of that matters until the Chiefs actually man up and prove. Including the Donkies have the same schedule but lost to the only winning team, so that means we are just as good, but the difference is, we have not played that team either and most of Donkies wins were pretty convincing while the Chiefs are waiting until the 4th qtr to pull out a close one.

So unless Andy Reid has been playing possum with this offense just for a big game like this and they come out and do a 180. I think playing in Denver when Denver is out to prove something will prove to be a an eye opener.

Now with that being said, the humbling may help the Chiefs get that chip back on their shoulder and things will be different in two weeks in KC.

[ctchiefsfan]

I personally believe the chiefs will lose by double digits. I am not one to look a the record and forget how the chiefs have won many of these games. A lot of it was luck and just poor play from bad teams or back up players. There was a 14 point swing against Buffalo that Manning would not make.

I truly think this week will be a humbling to many Chiefs fans. All these stats are being thrown out there to support why we are better then the Donkies, but none of that matters until the Chiefs actually man up and prove. Including the Donkies have the same schedule but lost to the only winning team, so that means we are just as good, but the difference is, we have not played that team either and most of Donkies wins were pretty convincing while the Chiefs are waiting until the 4th qtr to pull out a close one.

So unless Andy Reid has been playing possum with this offense just for a big game like this and they come out and do a 180. I think playing in Denver when Denver is out to prove something will prove to be a an eye opener.

Now with that being said, the humbling may help the Chiefs get that chip back on their shoulder and things will be different in two weeks in KC.

While I don't agree with you, I have to admit that it is not outside the realm of possibility. The real problem as I see it is that our D just hasn't been as good in the first half as they have been in the 2cond half. Their halftime adjustments have been phenomenal. But I have a hard time seeing us coming back if the donkeys go into the half with a 14 point or more lead. Our D needs to play the entire game like they have the 4th quarter if we are going to pull out a win here.

[BroncosFan]

Well, math can be done both ways. Let's look at the last three weeks and our opponents. I think we can see Denver might actually have the better defense:

KANSAS CITY - played against Keenum, Tuel, and Campbell
1104 yards (368/game)
52 first downs (17.33/game)
6 sacks (2/game)
5 turnovers (1.67/game)

DENVER - played against Luck, Griffin III, and Rivers
929 yards (309/game)
50 first downs (16.67/game)
9 sacks (3/game)
6 turnovers (2/game)

If the Chiefs defense allows on average 368 points to those guys, wait until they see Peyton.

[ctchiefsfan]

Well, math can be done both ways. Let's look at the last three weeks and our opponents. I think we can see Denver might actually have the better defense:

KANSAS CITY - played against Keenum, Tuel, and Campbell
1104 yards (368/game)
52 first downs (17.33/game)
6 sacks (2/game)
5 turnovers (1.67/game)

DENVER - played against Luck, Griffin III, and Rivers
929 yards (309/game)
50 first downs (16.67/game)
9 sacks (3/game)
6 turnovers (2/game)

If the Chiefs defense allows on average 368 points to those guys, wait until they see Peyton.

Don't you worry one bit we most certainly will NOT allow 368 points to anyone. Proof reading your posts is your friend. A skill perhaps not taught in donkeyland. Or perhaps your brain just doesn't get enough oxygen up there.

[chief31]

Myself, I fully expect Peyton to try to establish the running game before he gets too loose with the passing game.

I have seen him do this several times against the tougher pass defenses over the years. And my Chiefs are allowing a very high average per rushing attempt. (Tied for dead last, with The Saints)

[doobs_05]

Jeff tuel is probaly the only QB chiefs fans should not be proud about beating, dude just plain sucks.

Keenum and Campbell have looked way better than the starters the teams had (schaub and weeden sucked).

The chiefs offense will needs to get TD's to win this game and should not be hoping for a Defense TD to help them out.

Bronco fans over hyping their team and not giving enough credit to the chiefs, Chief fans over hyping the chiefs and not giving enough credit to the broncos

[TopekaRoy]

Well, math can be done both ways. Let's look at the last three weeks and our opponents. I think we can see Denver might actually have the better defense:

KANSAS CITY - played against Keenum, Tuel, and Campbell
1104 yards (368/game)
52 first downs (17.33/game)
6 sacks (2/game)
5 turnovers (1.67/game)

DENVER - played against Luck, Griffin III, and Rivers
929 yards (309/game)
50 first downs (16.67/game)
9 sacks (3/game)
6 turnovers (2/game)

If the Chiefs defense allows on average 368 points (um ... yards) to those guys, wait until they see Peyton.

Like most Donkey fans, you are focused on the wrong stats. These stats are far more important.

Last 3 games:
KANSAS CITY
Points allowed: 46 (15.33 ppg)
Record: 3-0

DENVER
Points allowed: 80 (26.67 ppg)
Record: 2-1

Oh and this is pretty important, too ...

CHIEFS:
Takeaways: 23 (best in the NFL)
Giveaways: 8 (best in the NFL)
Takeaway/Giveaway Margin: +15 (best in the NFL)

Denver: Giveaways 18 (tied for 4th worst in NFL)

Fans at OrangeMane.com keep making ridiculous predictions and saying "if we don't turn the ball over."

Good luck with that.

[jap1]

I didnt realize they had so many giveaways, Topeka. That makes things a little more interesting.

[Eydugstr]

Hello everyone!
I have decided to join this forum in hostile territory to discuss this game. This is probably the biggest game of either of our team's season.

Welcome to the forum. Yes it's going to be a great game.

First, you should know that the majority of Broncos fans are very worried about this game. We do not believe this will be a blowout. Reason being: we lost to Indy. They provided the blueprint on turning out the Broncos. I admit we got ****y, blowing out teams left and right and now teams know how to take Manning out of the game.

Actually Dallas provided the blueprint; Indy provided the results. I'm sure Reid's staff studied both games (among many others) the extra week off.

Really: provide a great 4-man rush, putting pressure on Manning and man-coverage against our WRs. Who is able to do this better than the Chiefs? I think the Chiefs could really put pressure on Manning and cause him to cough up some turnovers.

My guess is that 3-4 man rushes will be the MINIMUM number. Sometimes Sutton empties the cupboards and sometimes the guys just stay put.

Something I think the Chiefs should be worried about is Denver's defense is much better than they look on paper. Think of it like this...when a team is behind and couldn't put points up on the opposing team all game, then suddenly at the end they run no-huddle and seem to easily move down the field to stay in the game. It's called garbage-time. The Broncos have blown out a lot of teams early, causing teams to give up on their running game and throw the ball. And without Miller and Bailey for most of the season, teams could easily throw on us.

I'd argue that the Chiefs offense is underrated. Despite whatever issues our offense have had, they've toughed their way through some highly ranked D's (Bills, Browns, Texans) people shrug that off because on all of those teams their offenses have issues. If it weren't for two dropped passes our offense would have REALLY extended the lead away from the Bills (AT Buffalo). They've also come through at critical times with long drives when they were needed the most. It'll take time for the Chiefs to build a dominant offense, but given Reid's past history...I'd say it's coming.

Now we have Philips (who is having a great season) and Miller back, we have a formidable pass-rush that's only getting better. Denver also has a great run defense, stopping every RB so far this season and even the high-powered RG3/Alfred Morris and Vick/McCoy combos.

Von Miller is a great player, no doubt there. However, your D won't be facing an average running back. It'll be JC, who is still finding ways to get yards out of broken plays, and is blocking better than he ever has. Also, with Fasano back, we've ended the merry-go-round of TE shuffling that would hamper any offense.

In this game, I think the Chiefs will slow the Broncos offense down. I just read an article on Yahoo about how Reid went out and found large CBs to cover the larger, physical Broncos WRs. So you're going to disrupt our offensive juggernaut. But in biased fashion, I think Manning will find a way to score points, especially by leaning on screens and running the ball to slow down the blitzes. I just don't see the Chiefs scoring more points than the Broncos UNLESS the defense causes Manning to give up several turnovers.

It will be a great game and I give you guys mad respect for the turnaround you've made. Finally the West is competitive again and it's really good!

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are this...Come what may, if the Chiefs lose a player, or even this game, we're still a team that can find a way to win. The Bronco's fortunes are hinged on one thing - Manning. As long as Manning stays upright, the Donks will be a competitive team that burns asleep-on-the-job DB's. If Manning goes down the Broncos will not recover.

If the Broncos were serious about the postseason, they'd bench Manning for a game until his ankles got better, let Osweiler get some reps and focus on winning in the playoffs (there is very good reason to assume they'll make it there) KC had to do this in '93 a couple of times, and we managed to still win, and had a fragile Joe Montana all the way through to the AFC championship game that year. But then again Montana didn't have to worry about primetime coverage to support Papa John's and Buick ads, or a 95 million dollar contract to live up to.

Looking forward to Sunday night.

[BroncosFan]

We may very well bench Manning, but not against the Chiefs. And I think Denver has a great team that won games with Tim Tebow as our QB lol. We're not suddenly a bad team without Manning. We're just exceptional with him. Even at 75% he's better than most. You're not just dealing with talent, but a very smart man who adjusts frequently and can pick apart defenses. Jack Del Rio is also a very smart defensive-minded coach. I don't think the Chiefs are an enigma. And I also know ya'll are eager to prove yourselves.

I look forward to a hard-fought, divisional rivalry that will go down in the books. I just don't see the Chiefs scoring more points than the Broncos, especially at home.

[Eydugstr]

We may very well bench Manning, but not against the Chiefs. And I think Denver has a great team that won games with Tim Tebow as our QB lol. We're not suddenly a bad team without Manning. We're just exceptional with him. Even at 75% he's better than most. You're not just dealing with talent, but a very smart man who adjusts frequently and can pick apart defenses. Jack Del Rio is also a very smart defensive-minded coach. I don't think the Chiefs are an enigma. And I also know ya'll are eager to prove yourselves.

I look forward to a hard-fought, divisional rivalry that will go down in the books. I just don't see the Chiefs scoring more points than the Broncos, especially at home.

With confidence like that, there's no need to smear vaseline on your jerseys then, right?

[Pro_Angler]

Hey Broncos fan.. for once. We'll twice counting yoga *raider) fan have I ever welcomed opposing fan. I give you a great deal of respect for your sensible not arrogant post.
As for the game.. to beat manning we need to keep up our pass rush and jam receivers man coverage. If we play zones we are doomed!
This will be the first game either team has beaten a team with a winning record! I predict a split on home field advantages. We have outscored 3 out of the 5 mutual teams we've played more then you bad you only scored 3 more points on one of them then us.
The stupid media and most Broncos fans are blinded by ?? I don't know what..stat s don't lie.
Good luck Sunday hopefully we win but I suspect it will be closer then people think.

[kcvet]

Yeah I asked the question on the Broncos forum...how do we stop the rush/blitz? If we had Clady, I think he would be a major factor in slowing down the rush. But if we can keep Manning upright and give him more time to throw, he'll pick the Chief's D apart. So the pass rush will be the difference maker in this game IMO.

this forum comment??


I just stumbled into the Chiefs forum and man are they confident. Damn I can't wait to go back there after PFM and Da Broncos blow them out this Sunday. There is a difference playing against last place teams vs playing first place teams. I stumble into the Bolts and Raiders forums, but haven't seen a bunch of arrogant fans like the chiefs (pun intended). As a matter of fact lets sweep them to shut them up. Alex Smith is not gonna have a shootout with PFM. This game will humble them. Go to the kink below and see for yourselves.

eh??

[brdempsey69]

So the Donkeys are exceptional with Manning, huh? So exceptional that they've only beaten one team with a winning record coming into the game with the Donks and they still have yet to win a post-season game since Manning has become their starter. Manning, in his 26 starts, hasn't surpassed Tim Tebow in his 1 year as a Donks starting QB, in either of those two areas.

[Seek]

While I don't agree with you, I have to admit that it is not outside the realm of possibility. The real problem as I see it is that our D just hasn't been as good in the first half as they have been in the 2cond half. Their halftime adjustments have been phenomenal. But I have a hard time seeing us coming back if the donkeys go into the half with a 14 point or more lead. Our D needs to play the entire game like they have the 4th quarter if we are going to pull out a win here.

So are we ready to make opions based on eye test now, or do we still need to look at skewed stats to convince ourselfs that we are better than we are. Fact of the matter, we are still a good team, but so is Denver and playing any good team on the road is not a favorable situation. As stated before. This offense needed to perform better to have a chance.

[BroncosFan]

I thought it was a really great game last night. The Broncos did really well keeping Manning untouched, which is always the formula if you're going to beat Manning.

I thought the KC defense was better than I thought it would be. They were extremely physical...especially Flowers against Welker. You held Manning to one passing touchdown.

[Seek]

I thought it was a really great game last night. The Broncos did really well keeping Manning untouched, which is always the formula if you're going to beat Manning.

I thought the KC defense was better than I thought it would be. They were extremely physical...especially Flowers against Welker. You held Manning to one passing touchdown.

Yeah, can't wait to see this rematch in our house with our fans. Our offense can only get better and our Defense will be pumped. If you thought it was physical in your house, plan to see more in ours.

Now go do us a favor and lose in New England.

[ctchiefsfan]

Yeah, can't wait to see this rematch in our house with our fans. Our offense can only get better and our Defense will be pumped. If you thought it was physical in your house, plan to see more in ours.

Now go do us a favor and lose in New England.

Got that right!!!!!

[KCRaised13]

Not from all the broncos forums I read. They thought they were going to slaughter us

[KristofLaw]

I thought it was a really great game last night. The Broncos did really well keeping Manning untouched, which is always the formula if you're going to beat Manning.

I thought the KC defense was better than I thought it would be. They were extremely physical...especially Flowers against Welker. You held Manning to one passing touchdown.

I repped you too, because, why not... see you in Arrowhead.

[BroncosFan]

Well we did you a favor and lost to New England. That was a rough game to watch. Now it's time to prepare for Arrowhead.

[ctchiefsfan]

Nah....That was a FUN game to watch! Manning does not handkle the cold very well and it was VERY COLD around here last night.

[kcvet]

Well we did you a favor and lost to New England. That was a rough game to watch. Now it's time to prepare for Arrowhead.

we paid Manning to throw it. C U next wk

[BroncosFan]

How cold will it be next weekend in KC?

[kcvet]

How cold will it be next weekend in KC?

snow and 40 below

[nigeriannightmare]

How cold will it be next weekend in KC?

With it being an afternoon game the sun will be pretty much behind the stadium for most of the game. I'm seeing 30s to low 40s as the high. However the sun will be down and the temps will be around freezing. It will be cold but no nearly as cold as it was this weekend.

[kcvet]

looks like its true Manning has trouble with weather. last night their game plan was run run run. his passing was off and had trouble hanging on to the ball. lots of errant throws. so im hoping its a cold wind blowing here.

[Chiefster]

Will Hali and Houston be back?

[kcvet]

Will Hali and Houston be back?

Hali has a sprained ankle. could return. Houstons' shoulder was swollen so big it wouldn't fit in the imagining machine. they'll try again tomorrow. this per the noon news here in KC

[Seek]

Hali has a sprained ankle. could return. Houstons' shoulder was swollen so big it wouldn't fit in the imagining machine. they'll try again tomorrow. this per the noon news here in KC

I don't see anyway Houston makes it. He dislocated his Elbow. I guess he could be a big old brace on it like Dexter did last year, but Houston would need his elbow a lot more than Dexter does as his arms are what helps get his leverage.

[jap1]

Hali has a sprained ankle. could return. Houstons' shoulder was swollen so big it wouldn't fit in the imagining machine. they'll try again tomorrow. this per the noon news here in KC

The article I read was that his elbow was too swollen to do the MRI. Nothing about his shoulder and nothing about not fitting into the MRI. The swelling they are talking about is probably keeping him from straightening his elbow out all the way so they can do the MRI in the correct position.

[ctchiefsfan]

BroncosFan.....It ain't going to be anywhere near as cold in KC as it was in New England. I live less than 200 miles south of New Englands stadium and I can tell you it was BRUTAL here last night. Temps below freezing with a wind chill that had to be in the low teens or maybe single digits. It was COLD!!!!!

To all my fellow Chiefs fans.....Pray for COLD!!!! And pray for Hali and Houston to come back. If our Offense plays against the donkeys the way they played against the dolts and we have Hali and Houston back then we will DESTROY the donks!

We can beat these damned donks in a shootout if our Offense comes loaded for bear and our Defense does half what they are capable of.

[doobs_05]

Is everyone forgetting some dude put up over 200 yards rushing against the Pats? Chiefs are suspect at stopping the run. Denver could turn the table on the chiefs and play the game of TOP and make KC's defense tired.

[Justin5772002]

Is everyone forgetting some dude put up over 200 yards rushing against the Pats? Chiefs are suspect at stopping the run. Denver could turn the table on the chiefs and play the game of TOP and make KC's defense tired.
Not that Andy Reid will call run plays but do you for one second think we couldn't do the same in the run game? I think we should leave Stephenson in as tackle regardless of fishers status and see how he fairs against Denver he did a killer job against San diego

[brdempsey69]

Not that Andy Reid will call run plays but do you for one second think we couldn't do the same in the run game? I think we should leave Stephenson in as tackle regardless of fishers status and see how he fairs against Denver he did a killer job against San diego

Not going to happen. If Fisher is able to play, then he'll start. They didn't draft him #1 overall to ride the pine & he needs as much playing time as he can get to gain valuable experience. SD doesn't have anybody that could have really tested Stephenson, anyway. It's not suprising that Schwartz & Stephenson fared as well as they did, because SD doesn't have anybody on that side of their D-Line.

[matthewschiefs]

Not that Andy Reid will call run plays but do you for one second think we couldn't do the same in the run game? I think we should leave Stephenson in as tackle regardless of fishers status and see how he fairs against Denver he did a killer job against San diego

I have to disagree. Fisher is a rookie and needs all the snaps that he can get to get better going forward. Fisher was pretty bad at the start of the season but has gotten better. Just go back to the game at Denver. He was going against Von Miller and he did a pretty good job. Stephenson did a good job against the Chargers but Fisher is the starter for a reason

[Justin5772002]

I have to disagree. Fisher is a rookie and needs all the snaps that he can get to get better going forward. Fisher was pretty bad at the start of the season but has gotten better. Just go back to the game at Denver. He was going against Von Miller and he did a pretty good job. Stephenson did a good job against the Chargers but Fisher is the starter for a reason
I understand where you are coming from, but if the plan is to move him back to LT then were looking at possibly our starting RT next season in Stephenson if that could be the goal, do you think it's more important putting Either one in more than the other? Especially if Fisher isn't 100%

[Eydugstr]

I understand where you are coming from, but if the plan is to move him back to LT then were looking at possibly our starting RT next season in Stephenson if that could be the goal, do you think it's more important putting Either one in more than the other? Especially if Fisher isn't 100%

Interesting point, given our situation...but I still say go with Fisher if he's ready. He did well against Von Miller (all things considered). If anything I'd be tempted to take one of our O-line guys and make them our temporary pass rushing linebacker!! Play with THAT, donkey O-line!!

[Seek]

Not that Andy Reid will call run plays but do you for one second think we couldn't do the same in the run game? I think we should leave Stephenson in as tackle regardless of fishers status and see how he fairs against Denver he did a killer job against San diego

I agree. Why did our offense score this week. The answer is Smith had time to throw the ball. Why? The right side of the ball protected him better than he had all year. I don't care what people expect out of Fisher or wish he becomes. Stephenson is an upgrade over Fisher at the moment. I would rather leave Fisher at RT and move Stephenson to LT before Fisher gets Smiths kiled on a blind side hit. You can keep Swartz in at RG and leave Asamoah on the bench also.

[Seek]

I have to disagree. Fisher is a rookie and needs all the snaps that he can get to get better going forward. Fisher was pretty bad at the start of the season but has gotten better. Just go back to the game at Denver. He was going against Von Miller and he did a pretty good job. Stephenson did a good job against the Chargers but Fisher is the starter for a reason

The reason is they invested a first over all draft pick in him. They have to start him to SAVE FACE. Stephenson is also the future. It is only his second year and could very well be our starter for years given the snaps. He did pretty good last year.

[TopekaRoy]

I agree. Why did our offense score this week. The answer is Smith had time to throw the ball. Why? The right side of the ball protected him better than he had all year.

I disagree. The reason Smith had time to throw the ball is because we were playing the Chargers. They are ranked 27th against the pass and tied for 15-18 with 29 sacks. Going into the game they didn't have anybody on the team with more than 3 sacks. Now Keiser and Walker both have 4. SD doesn't have anybody that can get after the QB like Miller and Phillips can.

[brdempsey69]

I disagree. The reason Smith had time to throw the ball is because we were playing the Chargers. They are ranked 27th against the pass and tied for 15-18 with 29 sacks. Going into the game they didn't have anybody on the team with more than 3 sacks. Now Keiser and Walker both have 4. SD doesn't have anybody that can get after the QB like Miller and Phillips can.

Not only that, but the Chiefs Offense dialed up more play-action passes in the SD game, than they had in previous 10 games combined -- something that I had been calling for during the SD game day thread. Teams are gearing up to stop Charles & the Chiefs need to take advantage of this with more play-action passing, which will give them chances to take shots down the field.

[Seek]

Not only that, but the Chiefs Offense dialed up more play-action passes in the SD game, than they had in previous 10 games combined -- something that I had been calling for during the SD game day thread. Teams are gearing up to stop Charles & the Chiefs need to take advantage of this with more play-action passing, which will give them chances to take shots down the field.

I am not sure about this. I have seen the Chiefs try play action pass a lot, and due to the pass protection had Smith immediately looking for his dump off or tight end just behind the sucked in Line Backers. They receivers just got more separation on the charges poor secondary.

[kcvet]

Not only that, but the Chiefs Offense dialed up more play-action passes in the SD game, than they had in previous 10 games combined -- something that I had been calling for during the SD game day thread. Teams are gearing up to stop Charles & the Chiefs need to take advantage of this with more play-action passing, which will give them chances to take shots down the field.

and they put up 38 pts on their own with no help.

http://www.safetysupplywarehouse.com/v/vspfiles/photos/10734-2.jpg

[brdempsey69]

I am not sure about this. I have seen the Chiefs try play action pass a lot, and due to the pass protection had Smith immediately looking for his dump off or tight end just behind the sucked in Line Backers. They receivers just got more separation on the charges poor secondary.

I am sure of it. I've watched the games & listened to the audio commentary by Mitch & Lenny. There were hardly any in the first 10 games with the RB faking taking the hand-off and running at the LOS to try to sell the opposing Defense that it was a running play.

[Eydugstr]

I am sure of it. I've watched the games & listened to the audio commentary by Mitch & Lenny. There were hardly any in the first 10 games with the RB faking taking the hand-off and running at the LOS to try to sell the opposing Defense that it was a running play.

Agreed. Too many times JC was clearly being used as a blocker, even now too many times where he's being split out as a WR. But at least they're taking advantage of play action fakes (which will also lead to some big runs by JC).

[jap1]

I think that is why JC's bigger runs came later in the game. At the beginning of the game, the defense stacked the box and we completed a few play action passes. Towards the end of the game, they were thinking pass first since we had thrown the ball so much, so JC caught them dropping back.