View Full Version : Game 11 thoughts the fact about this defense
matthewschiefs
11-24-2013, 04:45 PM
This one HURTS badly
The good
The offense THEY DID THEIR JOB. 38 points their is 0 excuse for the d to lost that game the way they did today.
The bad
The defense.
Yes I know they lost Hali and Houston but that's no excuse for the 41 points. That's the thing with this core group of defenders. When things get tough they FOLD their tents. Last year they did it time and time again. And they did it today. Very upset with these guys right now. They got a lot of praise for how they played early in the year. But they need to feel the heat for this. They can't keep folding the moment things get tough
Andy Reid Keeps being pass happy. The running game had a number of nice runs and he didn't stick to it. And lets night forget the bad timeout call late in the game instead of at the very least running the clock down he called a time out with about 20 secounds left on the playclock.
Lewis_Chiefs
11-24-2013, 04:51 PM
The man to man defense needs to be have a bit of zone mixed in with it. We always play press man and teams know that. The offence finally showed up but as soon as hali & houston went down it was always going to be tough.
When you run a blitzing defense, there is always someone open, key is to get to the QB or disrupt him enough that he doesn't have time to find that open man. Our pass rush has been non existent for several weeks now, and now with Houston and Hali out for who knows how long, Bob Sutton better have a hell of a game plan for next week.
I disagree with the folding of tents. Earlier in the year, when things got tough, teams driving on us late, our D made plays. Didn't today, for much of the year they did. Lets not forget, last year they were on the field for like 3+ quarters a game last year thanks to constant 3 and outs
matthewschiefs
11-24-2013, 04:56 PM
When you run a blitzing defense, there is always someone open, key is to get to the QB or disrupt him enough that he doesn't have time to find that open man. Our pass rush has been non existent for several weeks now, and now with Houston and Hali out for who knows how long, Bob Sutton better have a hell of a game plan for next week.
I disagree with the folding of tents. Earlier in the year, when things got tough, teams driving on us late, our D made plays. Didn't today, for much of the year they did. Lets not forget, last year they were on the field for like 3+ quarters a game last year thanks to constant 3 and outs
That's not true the Chiefs averaged more then 30 minutes in TOP last year the D just floded to easy
Probley will calm down about the D tomorrow but REALLY TICKED at the dump they took on the field today. It cost the team a huge game.
That's not true the Chiefs averaged more then 30 minutes in TOP last year the D just floded to easy
Probley will calm down about the D tomorrow but REALLY TICKED at the dump they took on the field today. It cost the team a huge game.
I was exagerating, but they were on the field often last year
Eydugstr
11-24-2013, 05:07 PM
All in all I'm still very proud of this team, the recievers obviously focused on catching the ball and today we really posted good numbers. The running game, when used, was effective. We why weren't tearing it up more on the ground in the second and third quarters I don't quite understand, but that's Reid. He makes Vermeil look conservative when it comes to calling pass plays.
We also need to face the fact that we just do NOT have a dominating roster quite yet. Today sucked because we lost so many big names on D, that would affect any team - think of all the times that other teams would've folded much sooner than the Chiefs did. Hope that Hali, Houston, Fisher & DeVito are back soon.
The season's not done, still some great football ahead of us. With that being said, with what I've seen so far I do not expect to see us beat the Broncos next week if we can't get Hali or Houston back. Believe that once Denver evaluates this game that we'll be seeing a lot more crossing routes coming our way. That needs to be fixed.
DO NOT GIVE UP CHIEFS FANS!!! We're still in a great position to get into the playoffs. The games are going to get played regardless of injuries. A lot of football to be played.
matthewschiefs
11-24-2013, 05:07 PM
I was exagerating, but they were on the field often last year
But they were on the sidelines more.
The whole Worn down excuse was just BS coming from those who wanted to put every thing on Cassel or Quinn it had no truth to it at all. Last year when there was a turnover the d folded their tents and went home. Today when a couple of guys went down they did the same. That just can't happen But I'll shut up about it until I calm down a bit really PISSED at the defense today they lost that game
KCMASS
11-24-2013, 05:11 PM
This one hurt...I agree. Andy with that timeout with 20 seconds, left me completely stunned. I mean, he has been coaching for years & he pulls that crap? Hand it to Rivers, that was an amazing pass & tough to defend. I don't know if any of you thought for a micro-second that Smith batted that ball away. I was stunned when they called it a TD! It should have never have gotten that far in the 1st place. I didn't feel good with 1:30 left & SD had the ball. Having Hali & Houston out really hurt us no question. Our defense has saved us many times this year & now your offensive steps up & look what happens. We should all be grateful that we are still 9-2 & let's get some payback against Denver. Fingers crossed with our bookends & they both come back next Sunday. Go Pats tonight!
While yes I blame the D for this loss, I don't think you should blame the players. First, we were putting a lot of pressure on Rivers until we lost Hali and Houston. Zombo almost had a sack at one point before Houston went down. There were a lot of pressures on the first quarter. When you lose 2 guys like Hali and Houston, it is hard to recover. It made our run defense and (obviously) our pass D suffer.
I put this more on bad luck and poor adjustments by the coaches. We should have played more of a zone once we lost our pass rush. Man only works when the QB doesn't have 5 seconds. Not to mention the obvious weakness in our D is running trips with a WR crossing. Whether Hali and Houston come back or not, we need to work on stopping those plays. The easiest way is to have an ILB sitting on those crossing routes.
brdempsey69
11-24-2013, 05:35 PM
All in all I'm still very proud of this team, the recievers obviously focused on catching the ball and today we really posted good numbers. The running game, when used, was effective. We why weren't tearing it up more on the ground in the second and third quarters I don't quite understand, but that's Reid. He makes Vermeil look conservative when it comes to calling pass plays.
We also need to face the fact that we just do NOT have a dominating roster quite yet. Today sucked because we lost so many big names on D, that would affect any team - think of all the times that other teams would've folded much sooner than the Chiefs did. Hope that Hali, Houston, Fisher & DeVito are back soon.
The season's not done, still some great football ahead of us. With that being said, with what I've seen so far I do not expect to see us beat the Broncos next week if we can't get Hali or Houston back. Believe that once Denver evaluates this game that we'll be seeing a lot more crossing routes coming our way. That needs to be fixed.
DO NOT GIVE UP CHIEFS FANS!!! We're still in a great position to get into the playoffs. The games are going to get played regardless of injuries. A lot of football to be played.
For me, it's not a case of giving up, but facing reality -- like what you pointed out about not having a dominant roster, although the O-Line depth is pretty good ( and I hope Dorsey/Reid keep it that way ). And when you lose both, Hali and Houston, that's a lot to overcome, but the blown coverages today were inexcusable.
I did like the progress that I saw from the Offense, today and maybe they can do it again next week against a Donkey's Defense that really isn't any better than SD's defense by a whole lot. And what happens to the Donkeys if Manning goes down?. They'll be going nowhere.
I believe we can all stop drinking the Super Bowl kool-aid at this point and just take a realistic wait and see approach. At least they've made some strides from last year, but they aren't there, yet. It'll be up to Dorsey to make the right moves to bolster this roster in the off-season.
I'm not conceding next weeks game to the Donkeys, as they will surely be favored and the Chiefs historically have been a great home underdog. They have to cover the Donks receivers better than they did against SD today, for sure, though.
jason1981
11-24-2013, 06:39 PM
I put tbis lost all on reid. 1st and goal down by 3 with a little over a minute. The first call you play is a pass that got a td but left a 1:26 on th3 clock. I was there and first thing I did was turn to my cousin and said that was a hug3 mistake that w3 left to much time on the clock. We should have run 3 straight times amd burn the clock. If you cam score from about the 5 in the run tries andthe very least you get a tie and then overtime. Even if w3 just ran it one time it woulr hav3 burned 25 seconds atleast or force the chargers to burn a timeout. This was reid. Yes there was some other play in the game that coukd have changed but we were in the driver seat and reid blew it. He kills me eith the lafk of run plays a5 key moments. Then on 3rd and short he goes spread with charles split out with no threat of a run. Wtf. Reid just cost us a game. I have not been impressed with reids play calling yet this year.
Our DB's need upgrading - Flowers and Smith are not long term answers, Berry is inconsistent, and Lewis should be on special teams. Rookie WR killed us today. Our sack total would not be 0 for last 4 games if these guys were doing their jobs.
matthewschiefs
11-24-2013, 07:00 PM
I put tbis lost all on reid. 1st and goal down by 3 with a little over a minute. The first call you play is a pass that got a td but left a 1:26 on th3 clock. I was there and first thing I did was turn to my cousin and said that was a hug3 mistake that w3 left to much time on the clock. We should have run 3 straight times amd burn the clock. If you cam score from about the 5 in the run tries andthe very least you get a tie and then overtime. Even if w3 just ran it one time it woulr hav3 burned 25 seconds atleast or force the chargers to burn a timeout. This was reid. Yes there was some other play in the game that coukd have changed but we were in the driver seat and reid blew it. He kills me eith the lafk of run plays a5 key moments. Then on 3rd and short he goes spread with charles split out with no threat of a run. Wtf. Reid just cost us a game. I have not been impressed with reids play calling yet this year.
The more I think about it the more it comes back to even with that timeout call this defense had a lead a long field and only a tad over 1:00 on the clock. The killing the clock wouldn't have happened really anyway since the Chargers had a couple of Time outs left. and seeing that the D couldn't stop them with a long field with just over 1:00 left what if the Chargers win the coin toss does anyone really think that the D could have stopped them. The more I think about it the less of an issue this becomes. The defense was given the lead they didn't hold it at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.
nigeriannightmare
11-24-2013, 07:08 PM
It comes down to being opportunistic. We were all over opportunities the first half. We had three dropped INT's. Three ball straight hit our guys in the hands and nothing. The offense is capable of putting points up. Which to me is an outstanding sign. I'm pumped to see next week. As long as we have Houston we will be okay.
Striaght up up sucks about hali. We were all over Rivers before the two of them went down. Head up folks. We got seriously hit with some bad luck today. Bring on the Donks.
Let us not forget we were 2 and 14 last year.
Whats the skinny on Hali? Didn't look good...season ending not good.
nigeriannightmare
11-24-2013, 07:08 PM
First half of the season not first half of today's game .
After watching some of the highlights (or lowlights for us Chiefs fans), I put the blame squarely on the coaching staff. Why were we in bump and run coverage with only 1 safety over the top on the last TD?! Add in that the pass rush was nonexistent without Hali and Houston and there is no reason you would be in bump coverage. Our guys can cover man to man, but not when the QB can just sit back and look for the small opening and have time to put the ball in a small window. I give Smith credit, after all, another 6 inches and he would have swatted that ball away.
ctchiefsfan
11-24-2013, 08:37 PM
We really NEED the splatriots to win tonight.
brdempsey69
11-24-2013, 08:38 PM
We really NEED the splatriots to win tonight.
No reason that they shouldn't. The Pats Offense should be able to score a lot of points, if they don't stop themselves.
And sure enough the Pats coughed it up & the Donks got a Defensive TD.
After watching some of the highlights (or lowlights for us Chiefs fans), I put the blame squarely on the coaching staff. Why were we in bump and run coverage with only 1 safety over the top on the last TD?! Add in that the pass rush was nonexistent without Hali and Houston and there is no reason you would be in bump coverage. Our guys can cover man to man, but not when the QB can just sit back and look for the small opening and have time to put the ball in a small window. I give Smith credit, after all, another 6 inches and he would have swatted that ball away.
I have to agree here. Smith (or Flowers) just aren't fast enough for bump and run coverage.
ctchiefsfan
11-24-2013, 08:48 PM
OMG!!!! Splats game not going well.
Lewis_Chiefs
11-24-2013, 08:48 PM
Patriots imploding already, not good.
ctchiefsfan
11-24-2013, 08:57 PM
From bad to worse to worser. WTF splats?
I have to agree here. Smith (or Flowers) just aren't fast enough for bump and run coverage.
I disagree. They are great for bump and run coverage. Just not when the offense is sending everyone deep and you have no pressure on the QB. Typically you don't expect the O to send everyone deep (except inside 2 minutes), so you only need one safety over the top. They sent everyone deep, so Demps couldn't provide the coverage over the top that the CBs were expecting. Few CBs in this league can bump, release, then run with a WR for 40 yards.
Unless you have Deion at CB, you don't tell your CB to bump and then cover the deep route with no help over the top. How did they not know SD would be going for a deep route. Horrible call by the coaches.
brdempsey69
11-25-2013, 12:40 AM
It's all moot now, with the Donkeys having lost. The Chiefs just have to forge on & hope the Defense and Offense can play better this next Sunday, although the Chiefs Offense had a good showing today.
Chiefs were up 7-3 when Hali got hurt. They were up 14-3 when Houston got hurt. Just saying.....
ctchiefsfan
11-25-2013, 10:16 AM
Yup. Losing those two cost us the game.
Yup. Losing those two cost us the game.
It certainly helped. It was not the only reason. There was some pretty poor coaching also. 1st and goal from the 5 with a minute 20 left on the clock. We take a Time out and score. We pretty much scored at will today and while I know we had to score. Takkng the time out when we did was stupid. At least let the clock run down to 1 then take it.
Knowing our pass rush is hurt, and watching our secondary getting abused with constant pick plays kills man to man coverage. Why play man to man when all we needed was a prevent. At some point in time, didn't Sutton realize that satying in man to man was getting us killed with huge plays. No instead of keeping the safeties back to help our corners we blitzed them leaving the corners completely on an island.
doobs_05
11-25-2013, 01:29 PM
Alex Smith throwing high balls, the INT tipped by Avery went off his hands, but the ball should not off been that high.
doobs_05
11-25-2013, 01:30 PM
Maybe the Defense just isn't as great as we thought as well.
jason1981
11-25-2013, 09:27 PM
Maybe the Defense just isn't as great as we thought as well.
Our defense is geared around and relies on strong pass rush. With both of our sack masters out we should have went more zone. Our defense is good when it has all its parts. I just hope we atleast get one of them back for denver. Hali sounds optimistic that he might be able to go but doubt he will practice much this week. Even if we only use him situational would be better tham nothing.
Yup. Losing those two cost us the game.
It hurt, but didn't cost us the game imo. What cost us the game is when Reid called a timeout with 1:28 to play, 1st and goal, and san diego has 2 timeouts. They could of run the clock, scored and won. At worst tied, instead he gave Rivers over a minute with 2 timeouts. Hali and Houston were out so not sure what he thinking. Andy Reid lost this game for the Chiefs.
ctchiefsfan
11-25-2013, 09:36 PM
Maybe the Defense just isn't as great as we thought as well.
They were always overachieving. Without Hali and Houston that just wasn't going to happen. Without them, our Defense has serious problems....especially if we are playing a decent QB with good receivers. Rivers ain't no Manning or Brady, but if you give him time he can raise pure dee hell.
I'm starting to worry that Sutton may be a one trick pony. Man-blitz and more man-blitz. Other teams have already figured out that if they do a crossing route, especially out of a bunch formation with a pick, the crossing receiver will probably have a step on our DB. As long as the QB has enough time for the play to develop, it has destroyed us. Hopefully he can show Denver something else, whether or not we have Hali and Houston.
Eydugstr
11-26-2013, 08:12 AM
Teams lately have been catching onto his schemes. We've got to address that crossing route situation.
Justin5772002
11-27-2013, 01:06 AM
Teams lately have been catching onto his schemes. We've got to address that crossing route situation.
I believe Sutton will adjust this game. Aldo the backup linebackers are going to have a full week of 1st string reps and game planning look to our defense to be half way decent this week with our offense carry the load. Totally winnable game
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