Reflections on three losses.......

[ctchiefsfan]

I don't mind admitting that these 3 losses have hit me like a 10,000 pound sh!t-hammer. It took me 3 days to recover from that first loss.

The loss against San Diego was almost as bad.

And of course this second loss to the donkeys in Arrowhead hurts like hell...especially since we had the bastids by the balls and let them get away.

But being mindful of coach's advice in another thread to not get too high on the wins, I'm not going to get too low on the losses. So I've looked at these three losses and while there are certainly reasons for deep concern, I also see lots of reasons to be "almost" pleased with these last 3 games.

Let's face facts....

When we were 9-0 there was not a sane Chiefs fan anywhere that thought we were going to win the Superbowl in an undefeated season.

Many of us were worried that the pundits were right and our Chiefs were simply a "paper tiger".

A common theme in threads through the first 9 games was "Is our Offense EVER going to get their sh!t together?"

Well boys, our offense has gotten their sh!t together in the last 3 weeks. Our Defense has looked weak, but then, for 3 games they have been playing quarterbacks that are simply pretty damned good. Neither forehead nor rivers are anything to laugh at.

So where are we???????

Our Offense has shown they can light up the scoreboard just like the "big boys" do.

Our Defense has shown they aren't quite as good as we thought (and the injuries have not helped), but if they can get their mojo back they can keep us in the fight against any team in the NFL today. BAR NONE!

We are competitive with any team in the NFL so long as either our Defense or Offense is playing their "A-game".

If both our Offense AND our Defense can bring their "A-game" on the same day then we will win....NO MATTER WHO WE ARE PLAYING.

Our Chiefs have 3 tough tasks ahead of them......

1) They have to get out there and get the required wins to make the playoffs. Should be easy, but it won't be. We're dinged up and we are facing our first serious adversity this season.

2) We need to finish the season STRONG. Beating the colts and the dolts in the last 2 weeks would be HUGE!!!!

3) Assuming we make the playoffs we have to BURY that 1 and out problem we have had in the playoffs! If we make the playoffs, we need to win that first round game in a blowout!

If we can do those 3 things we will have an honest shot at the Super Bowl.

Call me a "homer"....I guess I am.....but this is a very good Chiefs team. All the pieces are there. They just have to get to the playoffs and then put all those pieces together at the same time.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!

[MissingTBone]

We aren't ready for a Super Bowl run IMO. Our defense is struggling against the better teams. I can't see us winning a playoff game when all the opposing qb has to do is spread us out and throw to whoever Copper is covering for a first down. Also find it hard to think I a win when none of our wr are consistent. Just like they were saying we were an over achieving team facing subpar offenses and feasting on them. Our defense isn't where it needs to be yet. Our secondary needs more pieces and we e need another pass rusher. Same with the offense. Not all the pieces are in place yet. This is year 1 of a new regime top to bottom. I'm excited about where we can go in the future with this team. We have excelled more than I thought we would at the beginning of the year. We have a lot of upside, but were far from being the team that Dorsey/Reid are building us. I'm happy we're moving in a positive direction!! Go Chiefs!!

[Justin5772002]

I agree. The colts are not going to be a pushover but I think the loss of Reggie Wayne killed their making a run at the Super Bowl he changed that team, just like if we had a receiver like him it would change ours. If we sat Avery I think we would instantly be a better team. When was the last time you heard Avery's name being praised for a great block? He had a good game against the chargers but that's it. The only problem I see is that he's a Reid/Dorsey guy and they don't want to be wrong. I think DeVito is definately Hali's lineman that gives him a lot of freedom to work efficiently guess how many games DeVito missed? And I'm also starting to think that rall of the perceptions about Andy Reid are right, best back in the league and in cruch times we abandon the run NOT SMART

[Coach]

That's a positive outlook for sure. Looking back on some of the former superboel winners like the giants, steelers, saints. They weren't always dominant during the regular season, but they had the pieces in place and played their best football at the right time. If this team can improve the pass rush, their secondary suddenly is better. When we were getting sacks and pressure on the QB, our secondary looked great. Now that we can't sniff theqb, our secondary looks awful. Our offense is finally moving the ball. We need all 3 phases to click and we could beat any team, on any field.

[ctchiefsfan]

Precisely!!!! Make the playoffs, win that first round game and then play solid football on both sides of the ball and we'd have a real good shot.

[jap1]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I saw a LOT of positives in the game. We were very close, and for what is basically a very young team with very little experience in winning, I am not surprised that we arent able to close out games aginst the tough opponents ... yet. The fact that we were able to mount 2 comeback drives is impressive for a team that hasnt won 10 games across like the past 3 seasons.

Alex Smith is better than an average QB. With some improvements in the WRs on this team, he can be a 300yd/game passer. Our offense can move the ball. I would like to see a more consistent and balanced attack using the ground game more, but that has been the complaint with Andy Reid ever since he became a head coach.

I dont think our Defense is weak. I think we have been playing against teams that are VERY good passers. We play a very aggressive D. So yes, we MAY give up an occasional big play to "average" QBs. Against elite QBs AND WRs, we ARE going to give up a few plays. Consider this when you are saying that our secondary sucks: Wes Welker has the most receptions and yards for any receiver in the past 7 years. He only had a couple receptions last night. Rivers and Manning are #1 and #2 QBs in this league right now. No one has been able to "shut them down" without the help of crazy weather conditions (New England).

Right now we may have a playoff spot locked up this week. If we win this week, and EITHER the Dolphins or the Ravens lose, we have a spot locked up (unfortunately this means we have to cheer for Todd Haley (vs fins) or Matt Cassel (vs Ravens)).

If we win 2 games from here on out, any 2 games, we have a spot locked up.

Granted I would like to win more than 2 games, but getting to the playoffs is a huge victory to me after last season.

I am interested to see how we play against the Colts, since they are the only playoff caliber team we have left, and they also have a pretty good QB, but their WRs arent much better than ours.

Remember people, this is the first year with Reid and Dorsey. They are still building this team.

[jap1]

The key to playing man defense is getting pressure on the QB. You can only chase someone for so long before they create separation. We were pressuring Manning in the beginning of the game, hence the 2 picks. Some reason we could keep up the pressure as the game went on and he had time to pick us apart.

[brdempsey69]

My take on the 3 losses is that they weren't blowouts and all 3 were winnable games. Mistakes were made that need to be corrected. Time will tell if that happens or not.

[ctchiefsfan]

Exactly! We haven't been beaten 3 times, we've pretty much beaten ourselves 3 times. If our offense can play 4 quarters of what we have seen the last 2 weeks and our Defense can pressure the QB again then there is not a team in the NFL that can beat us.....not now, not in the playoffs or even the Super Bowl.

Our Offense, Defense and Special Teams have all done everything right many times this season. They just never do it all at the same time for 4 quarters. If we can put it all together once/if we get to the playoffs then Super Sunday will be a whole lot of fun.....and truly the beginning of a dynasty.

[chief31]

The one I feel worst about is The Chargers loss. Well.... so far.

But, as I said before, we have been in a playoff atmosphere, and that will continue. Learning to win in that atmosphere could serve us very well when the actual playoffs begin.

[Eydugstr]

Think all three losses stung mainly because we shot ourselves in the foot. The first Broncos game we lost mainly because of dropped passes. The SD game the offense really improved, but the D got ripped by crossing patterns, and poor clock management at the end didn't help. The last Broncos game we lost to a combination of bad decisions (first INT, not calling more run plays) and dropped passes.

All of it is correctable - probably the hardest one to change will be getting the D to adjust to those crossing routes. The sky is not falling, and we've still got four games to play. Bring on the 'skins.

[ctchiefsfan]

Yup! You got it just about 100% right. We need to focus on winning each game, making the playoffs and then starting that whole new season that is the playoffs. Our Chiefs only job right now is to win some games and get in to the playoffs.

[brdempsey69]

Think all three losses stung mainly because we shot ourselves in the foot. The first Broncos game we lost mainly because of dropped passes. The SD game the offense really improved, but the D got ripped by crossing patterns, and poor clock management at the end didn't help. The last Broncos game we lost to a combination of bad decisions (first INT, not calling more run plays) and dropped passes.

All of it is correctable - probably the hardest one to change will be getting the D to adjust to those crossing routes. The sky is not falling, and we've still got four games to play. Bring on the 'skins.

That is my take as well. Having certain Defensive front 7 players (three of them) miss playing time due to injuries certainly doesn't help, either.

On the plus side, we could finally see the develop of two young WR's in Jenkins and Hemingway and brother could the Chiefs ever use a couple of young playmakers at WR RIGHT NOW, not just this off-season.

One more thing, the Donkeys fans that I know aren't saying a whole lot. It's almost as though they're fearful of a 3rd meeting between the Chiefs and Donkeys happening in the post-season, as the Donkey blow-outs over KC that many Donkeys fans were predicting, didn't happen, but rather the Donkeys were sh!thouse lucky that the Chiefs shot themselves in the foot. Personally, I'm hoping for a 3rd crack at the Donkeys in January, as there's nothing to be fearful about from the Chiefs side.

[Eydugstr]

That is my take as well. Having certain Defensive front 7 players (three of them) miss playing time due to injuries certainly doesn't help, either.

On the plus side, we could finally see the develop of two young WR's in Jenkins and Hemingway and brother could the Chiefs ever use a couple of young playmakers at WR RIGHT NOW, not just this off-season.

One more thing, the Donkeys fans that I know aren't saying a whole lot. It's almost as though they're fearful of a 3rd meeting between the Chiefs and Donkeys happening in the post-season, as the Donkey blow-outs over KC that many Donkeys fans were predicting, didn't happen, but rather the Donkeys were sh!thouse lucky that the Chiefs shot themselves in the foot. Personally, I'm hoping for a 3rd crack at the Donkeys in January, as there's nothing to be fearful about from the Chiefs side.

Losing Hali, DeVito and Houston sucked. All things considered, not sure it changed a whole lot for the past two Broncos games (Manning's quick release) but I do think it impacted what happened in SD, where difference maker is the second LESS that our first string guys normally give. But hey hat's off to SD's offensive cooridinators for teaching us a gap in our defense (better to learn it now than in the playoffs.) As Dick Vermeil used to say, sometimes you give a few lessons, sometimes you get a few...

I'd like to see Jenkins get some more reps. They're (Avery/Jenkins) both the same type of WR (fast, small) but the difference maker is the drops. We know Avery's track record with drops in big games, but we don't know with Jenkins. Hemingway's slowly developed under the radar, which is great. Hopefully we'll start seeing him more in red zone situations with Bowe, Fasano & JC. I wanna see us get our red zone swagger back.

You might be right, with a third meeting with the Broncos. But we've got four games to go, most of them on the road. We really need to take care of business in Washington. RGIII & Mike Shanahan are no joke. Same for SD or Oakland on the road, or Indy. We need to go into DC with an attitude.

[ctchiefsfan]

Yup! Got to focus on getting to the playoffs first. One game at a time. Scumskins this weekend.

[Pro_Angler]

To say were not in sb run is silly!!!! We are always running for sb thats every teams goal!! If not fire those in charge!

[ctchiefsfan]

To say were not in sb run is silly!!!! We are always running for sb thats every teams goal!! If not fire those in charge!

Of course we are in the hunt for the Superbowl!!!!!! Any team that has not been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs is in the Super Bowl hunt.

Admittedly, we are almost assuredly fighting for a Wildcard Spot, but once you get in the playoffs, it is a whole new season and you are in the Super Bowl hunt.

Many think that wildcard teams have little or no chance of making it to or winning the Super Bowl, but let's look at some facts......

6 of the last 16 Super Bowls (37.5 %) have had a Wild Card team in them.

5 of the last 16 Super Bowls (31.25%) were WON by Wildcard teams.

The FIRST team to win the Super Bowl as a Wild Card team was the Kansas City Chiefs!!!!!!! Of course, back then (1969) it was not called a "Wild Card", but the fact remains that our Chiefs did not win the AFL West that year. So regardless what name you choose to use, we were a Wild Card that year.

The second team to win the Super Bowl as a Wild Card was the 1980 Oakland Raiders.

The third team to win* the Super Bowl as a Wild Card was the 1997 donkeys.

11 teams have advanced to the Super Bowl as a "Wild Card" or non division-winning team. 7 of those 11 (63.64%) have won the Super Bowl.

Of those 7 teams, 3 came from the AFL/AFC West (42.86%). Kansas City, Oakland and Denver. All we have to do is start winning again, make the playoffs as a Wild Card, get our ENTIRE team firing on all cylinders in the playoffs and we will be a VERY SERIOUS Super Bowl contender.

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!

[Justin5772002]

The chiefs are currently just trying to expand that odds line so chief fans can rake in the cash once they do win the SB. Run out there and get your bets placed people chiefs are losing so that the odds can go up for you!...

p.s I don't really believe this, but trying to stay positive lol.

[ctchiefsfan]

Good on you Justin!!!! Know a good online betting site? Vegas is a long way to go for a $100 bet, but if the odds were right I'd certainly put a little money on a playoff win and a Super Bowl appearance.

[kcvet]

the chargers game was the hardest one for me to swallow. Rivers sliced and diced our D and took only 58 secs to do it. same ole story. D wins games and SB's

[Justin5772002]

the chargers game was the hardest one for me to swallow. Rivers sliced and diced our D and took only 58 secs to do it. same ole story. D wins games and SB's
Our D has all the tools, honestly (in our losses) I think the chiefs are learning and putting things together just at the right pace. We haven't seen our same weaknesses exposed 2 games in a row. Each game we've had a problem and corrected it by the next game. That right there says it's just a matter of time before the opposition doesn't have a problem we can't solve and to me that is very encouraging

[Justin5772002]

Good on you Justin!!!! Know a good online betting site? Vegas is a long way to go for a $100 bet, but if the odds were right I'd certainly put a little money on a playoff win and a Super Bowl appearance.
I don't see myself going to vegas before the end of this season, but next time I go I'll let you know and you can wire me your money and I'll put it down for you and send you your winnings(if you trust me)

isnt there an atlantic city near you?

[ctchiefsfan]

I don't see myself going to vegas before the end of this season, but next time I go I'll let you know and you can wire me your money and I'll put it down for you and send you your winnings(if you trust me)

isnt there an atlantic city near you?

HELL! I never thought of Atlantic City! And there are also the 2 Indian Casino's in Southeastern Connecticut! I'll make the run to the Indian Casinos and put a little money on the Chiefs to win a Playoff game and the Super Bowl. I KNOW I'll win one of the two bets.....maybe both! Thanks for making me think. Neither AC or the Indian Casinos in Ct even occurred to be. Getting old and forgetful! :(

[Justin5772002]

HELL! I never thought of Atlantic City! And there are also the 2 Indian Casino's in Southeastern Connecticut! I'll make the run to the Indian Casinos and put a little money on the Chiefs to win a Playoff game and the Super Bowl. I KNOW I'll win one of the two bets.....maybe both! Thanks for making me think. Neither AC or the Indian Casinos in Ct even occurred to be. Getting old and forgetful! :(
Can't forget to have fun in this life I'm sure there's plenty of fun in AC your missing out on

[doobs_05]

KC lost to the 2 best QBs (stat wise, people forget Rivers is having an amazing year because peyton's year is better and they only have like 4 or 5 wins)

D gave up more points because the rush isn't there and because they continue to let big plays happen

Offense is finally starting to open the playbook

[azchiefsfan]

Can I speak freely? Sure I can. Our defense is in disarray and it started before the 2 key injuries. It's almost like the line and secondary are on different playbooks. It is so bad that ANY decent QB could slice right through our D. I never once thought we were SB material, but thought this season could be a huge building block for the next few years. We have a young enough team, with little free agency concerns coming up soon, BUT I am concerned this defensive collapse is so systemic, we will have to rebuild in the off-season. Anyone who remembers me(I haven't had regular internet access for a little over a year) knows I am as optimistic as a guy gets, but looking at this melt-down realistically will reveal much bigger issues than a little coaching can fix. We have a few great players(on defense) and a whole lot of mediocre-bad players. Our offense is on fire! So, I haven't completely lost faith.

[ctchiefsfan]

I remember you Arizona. Hope we will see more of you. Meanwhile, I am not ready to dial 911 for our Defense yet because they have been up against a couple of gunslinger QBs the last 3 weeks. We'll learn more in these next weeks.

[jap1]

On one hand, we played against 2 of the best QBs (statistically) in the league. On the other hand, we were torched by them, and didnt do great the game before them. we have the Colts coming up soon. They have a retty good offense and QB, but not as explosive as Denver. Ill wait to see how we perform against the Colts before I label the D a bust. I also think it is more coaching than players. I don't really see anyone I would want to replace in our front 7. There may be better guys to get in the secondary, but they may cost more than we would have available.

[Chiefster]

That's a positive outlook for sure. Looking back on some of the former superboel winners like the giants, steelers, saints. They weren't always dominant during the regular season, but they had the pieces in place and played their best football at the right time. If this team can improve the pass rush, their secondary suddenly is better. When we were getting sacks and pressure on the QB, our secondary looked great. Now that we can't sniff theqb, our secondary looks awful. Our offense is finally moving the ball. We need all 3 phases to click and we could beat any team, on any field.

...Absolutely! Although, today I think we did get a coverage sack or two.

[Justin5772002]

Can I speak freely? Sure I can. Our defense is in disarray and it started before the 2 key injuries. It's almost like the line and secondary are on different playbooks. It is so bad that ANY decent QB could slice right through our D. I never once thought we were SB material, but thought this season could be a huge building block for the next few years. We have a young enough team, with little free agency concerns coming up soon, BUT I am concerned this defensive collapse is so systemic, we will have to rebuild in the off-season. Anyone who remembers me(I haven't had regular internet access for a little over a year) knows I am as optimistic as a guy gets, but looking at this melt-down realistically will reveal much bigger issues than a little coaching can fix. We have a few great players(on defense) and a whole lot of mediocre-bad players. Our offense is on fire! So, I haven't completely lost faith.
We were missing DeVito for 3 games and Tyson Jackdon wasn't healthy or anywhere near 100% there went our pass rush cause our line wasn't dominant. There's only so many people Poe can take on by himself

[kcvet]

we're gettin' thumped again for picking on the weak kid on the block

[ctchiefsfan]

That's what good teams do. They BRUTALIZE bad teams. BRING ON THE RAIDERS!!!!!! We are going to give them a Ned Beatty lesson!!! SQUEEL! SQUEEL LIKE A PIG!!!!!

[brdempsey69]

we're gettin' thumped again for picking on the weak kid on the block

Perhaps so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they did it to them in their park in a snowstorm.

The media is bragging about Manning's day against the Titans in the cold temperatures, but he didn't have to deal with a slippery field or a wet football.

[kcvet]

Perhaps so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they did it to them in their park in a snowstorm.

The media is bragging about Manning's day against the Titans in the cold temperatures, but he didn't have to deal with a slippery field or a wet football.

the media forgot what happened in NE. its not the temp but a combo of temp plus wind that froze Manning

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10034438

[ctchiefsfan]

Yeah manning made a comment about his having a good day in the cold. Something about how people that think he can't play in the cold should put it where the sun don't shine. If we get another crack at him this season we are going to stuff his forehead where his sun don't shine.

[doobs_05]

Perhaps so, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they did it to them in their park in a snowstorm.

The media is bragging about Manning's day against the Titans in the cold temperatures, but he didn't have to deal with a slippery field or a wet football.

If he does do it, what's your next excuse "well he did it in the regular season at home" and then he does it your next excuse is "well he didn't do it in the AFC Championship game" and then he does......you see where i'm going

[Eydugstr]

we're gettin' thumped again for picking on the weak kid on the block

The media painting us as bad guys AGAIN. Wasn't last season bad enough to recover from? We're 10-3 a year later and the talking head a$$ clowns are feeling SORRY for Daniel Snyder & Co.? We did their fans and team a bigger favor (better draft position) by beating the snot out of them. Our first string guys were getting pulled by the fourth quarter anyway, if we'd kept them in and kept pounding away the score could've been much, much worse. But Reid, being the guy that he is, didn't.

Okay, if we're the BAD guys...Let's be effective bad guys. Go into Oakland with an attitude, take care of business just like we did in DC. Gunsights on the Raiders.

[kcvet]

The media painting us as bad guys AGAIN. Wasn't last season bad enough to recover from? We're 10-3 a year later and the talking head a$$ clowns are feeling SORRY for Daniel Snyder & Co.? We did their fans and team a bigger favor (better draft position) by beating the snot out of them. Our first string guys were getting pulled by the fourth quarter anyway, if we'd kept them in and kept pounding away the score could've been much, much worse. But Reid, being the guy that he is, didn't.

Okay, if we're the BAD guys...Let's be effective bad guys. Go into Oakland with an attitude, take care of business just like we did in DC. Gunsights on the Raiders.

I read the Faiders are using 2 QB's now. like it matters

[ctchiefsfan]

The media painting us as bad guys AGAIN. Wasn't last season bad enough to recover from? We're 10-3 a year later and the talking head a$$ clowns are feeling SORRY for Daniel Snyder & Co.? We did their fans and team a bigger favor (better draft position) by beating the snot out of them. Our first string guys were getting pulled by the fourth quarter anyway, if we'd kept them in and kept pounding away the score could've been much, much worse. But Reid, being the guy that he is, didn't.

Okay, if we're the BAD guys...Let's be effective bad guys. Go into Oakland with an attitude, take care of business just like we did in DC. Gunsights on the Raiders.

RIGHT YOU ARE!!!!!

1) Lock up our playoff spot with a strong win against the raiders.

2) Close the season out STRONG! NO letdowns in the next 3 weeks.

3) Win our first round playoff game.

4) STOMP the living sh!t out of the donkeys if they don't eliminate themselves first.

5) Tell the NFC to send us the best they have.

6) PARTY TIME!!!!!!!!

[kcvet]

RIGHT YOU ARE!!!!!

1) Lock up our playoff spot with a strong win against the raiders.

2) Close the season out STRONG! NO letdowns in the next 3 weeks.

3) Win our first round playoff game.

4) STOMP the living sh!t out of the donkeys if they don't eliminate themselves first.

5) Tell the NFC to send us the best they have.

6) PARTY TIME!!!!!!!!


5) Tell the NFC to send us the best they have.

we have beat the best they have. and in past years. regarless of our record. so we make the SB its ours !!!

[ctchiefsfan]

DAMN RIGHT! We make it, we OWN IT! Getting that first playoff win will be harder than beating whatever the NFC sends.

[brdempsey69]

If he does do it, what's your next excuse "well he did it in the regular season at home" and then he does it your next excuse is "well he didn't do it in the AFC Championship game" and then he does......you see where i'm going

No, I don't see where you are going. I only see that if Manning and the Donkeys ever come to a sudden halt that your ugly face is going to half-way up their a$$es.

[Eydugstr]

Yeah manning made a comment about his having a good day in the cold. Something about how people that think he can't play in the cold should put it where the sun don't shine. If we get another crack at him this season we are going to stuff his forehead where his sun don't shine.

The fact that he has to mention it says something.

[Eydugstr]

If he does do it, what's your next excuse "well he did it in the regular season at home" and then he does it your next excuse is "well he didn't do it in the AFC Championship game" and then he does......you see where i'm going

If Manning earns it, fine. So be it. But if he gets there via the referees, then yeah he's going to get criticized just like anyone else.

[ctchiefsfan]

The fact that he has to mention it says something.

Yup he knows it's true. Even he was surprised he could beat the Titans in the cold. He's hoping he has beaten that problem. But the playoffs are coming and it's going to come back to haunt him. Sure....he can beat the titans in the cold, but he can't beat a good team in the cold.

[kcvet]

If Manning earns it, fine. So be it. But if he gets there via the referees, then yeah he's going to get criticized just like anyone else.

or backs into it like Elway

[doobs_05]

No, I don't see where you are going. I only see that if Manning and the Donkeys ever come to a sudden halt that your ugly face is going to half-way up their a$$es.

http://i.imgur.com/RIwwR44.gif


Yeah because i'm a denver fan

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif


I'm just a full blown homer and believe conspiracies about teams receiving super bowls. I don't get put into full blown circlejerks about how great the chiefs are and how badly will beat a certain team.

Excuses are made "Manning can't play in cold weather" has a good game in cold weather "well the weather wasn't the correct cold weather" But it's whatever, every team makes excuses when the team they like loses and the team they dislike wins. It's why everyone is down on KC schedule, it's why KC fans are down on Denver's schedule.