Alex Smith's Contract

[jap1]

Looking ahead,I hope it is on Dorsey's agenda to extend A.Smith's contract this offseason. He has a year left, but I want to lock him up now, before he hits the market. If he has a whole year like the last half if this year, then he is going to command a contract like Flacco got. Right now, I think we can get him for a lot cheaper, and he probably would be happy at this point with a long term deal knowing he is the undisputed #1 QB.

As close as our salary cap is now, I cannot imagine how tight things would get for us with a huge QB contract. There are a lot of teams that are going to be struggling to sign FAs with the huge contracts they have to give to reliable QBs.

[Chiefster]

I'm confident that Dorsey will get it figured out.

[MissingTBone]

Yeah we def need to lock him up with a long contract. When we first signed him I knew he was an upgrade from what we had but didn't realize how good of a qb he is. He came through for this team many times during the season with his legs and arm. Don't want to lose him now!!

[brdempsey69]

Admittedly, Alex Smith was not my first choice to become the Chiefs new QB after the 2012 season ended. I wanted Kirk Cousins. But, Alex hung in there and stayed on the field for all the Chiefs games, except for sitting out the season final and had his best year ever.

And yet there are some that call themselves Chiefs fans out there that still have this obsession with drafting a QB in round 1. It's laughable

[matthewschiefs]

I was not upset when we got Alex. I did feel that 2 2nd round picks was to much for him but I could live with it. I was very vocal about saying he's not Matt Cassel 2.0 when that BS was going around. But I will say I wasn't 100% sure about him.

Now after the season I'm VERY happy with Alex. He turned out better then what I hoped. There were some struggles early in the year. But I really expected there to be. New team new offense of course there are going to be growing pains. However at the bye I still can't say that I was 100% sold on him. Then the games after the bye came and I saw Alex CLEARLY step up his game. When the schedule got tough Alex SHOWED up. I am now sold on him. This is not a repeat of 2010 Cassel. Alex step up against the tougher teams. And Alex was OUTSTANDING the the playoff game. He put on a show. I'm very happy to have Alex Smith as this teams Qb. They need to lock him up for the rest of his career.

[Chiefster]

I was not upset when we got Alex. I did feel that 2 2nd round picks was to much for him but I could live with it. I was very vocal about saying he's not Matt Cassel 2.0 when that BS was going around. But I will say I wasn't 100% sure about him.

Now after the season I'm VERY happy with Alex. He turned out better then what I hoped. There were some struggles early in the year. But I really expected there to be. New team new offense of course there are going to be growing pains. However at the bye I still can't say that I was 100% sold on him. Then the games after the bye came and I saw Alex CLEARLY step up his game. When the schedule got tough Alex SHOWED up. I am now sold on him. This is not a repeat of 2010 Cassel. Alex step up against the tougher teams. And Alex was OUTSTANDING the the playoff game. He put on a show. I'm very happy to have Alex Smith as this teams Qb. They need to lock him up for the rest of his career.


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[ctchiefsfan]

I'm not ready to declare Alex Smith to be Montana 2.0, but there is no doubt in my mind that we need to work out a contract extension. Alex is one helluva QB.

[Seek]

I was not excited about Alex. However, the guy is a winner. He may not be an elite QB but he is no Trent Dilfer either and can be relied on to put the game on his shoulders. He just needs some weapons.

[Pro_Angler]

were has my man been at?????? he wanted geno soooo bad.. he's disapeared

[matthewschiefs]

were has my man been at?????? he wanted geno soooo bad.. he's disapeared

He's no longer with us here.

But I do talk to him other places and he has back off on geno actually

[Eydugstr]

Admittedly, Alex Smith was not my first choice to become the Chiefs new QB after the 2012 season ended. I wanted Kirk Cousins. But, Alex hung in there and stayed on the field for all the Chiefs games, except for sitting out the season final and had his best year ever.

And yet there are some that call themselves Chiefs fans out there that still have this obsession with drafting a QB in round 1. It's laughable


I was not upset when we got Alex. I did feel that 2 2nd round picks was to much for him but I could live with it. I was very vocal about saying he's not Matt Cassel 2.0 when that BS was going around. But I will say I wasn't 100% sure about him.

Now after the season I'm VERY happy with Alex. He turned out better then what I hoped. There were some struggles early in the year. But I really expected there to be. New team new offense of course there are going to be growing pains. However at the bye I still can't say that I was 100% sold on him. Then the games after the bye came and I saw Alex CLEARLY step up his game. When the schedule got tough Alex SHOWED up. I am now sold on him. This is not a repeat of 2010 Cassel. Alex step up against the tougher teams. And Alex was OUTSTANDING the the playoff game. He put on a show. I'm very happy to have Alex Smith as this teams Qb. They need to lock him up for the rest of his career.

Agreed. The thing about having Alex Smith here & now, is that finally the guy has a shot at getting a stable OC & a head coach that's got a good background of developing QB's and making them better. Until Harbaugh came along he never had that in SF. As good as he was this year, imagine another year of experience under Reid. Also imagine what Alex's numbers (let alone our win record) would have looked like if our recievers had cut their drops in half, and if we hadn't had a merry-go-round of TE's.

The idea of signing Alex Smith to a longer contract isn't a bad one, for the Chiefs or for Alex. My question is this, how do we go about doing it in a way the team can afford it? How hurt would we be if we waited, and spent the money now on problem areas on the team (WR, pass rushers, secondary help)?

[brdempsey69]

Agreed. The thing about having Alex Smith here & now, is that finally the guy has a shot at getting a stable OC & a head coach that's got a good background of developing QB's and making them better. Until Harbaugh came along he never had that in SF. As good as he was this year, imagine another year of experience under Reid. Also imagine what Alex's numbers (let alone our win record) would have looked like if our recievers had cut their drops in half, and if we hadn't had a merry-go-round of TE's.

The idea of signing Alex Smith to a longer contract isn't a bad one, for the Chiefs or for Alex. My question is this, how do we go about doing it in a way the team can afford it? How hurt would we be if we waited, and spent the money now on problem areas on the team (WR, pass rushers, secondary help)?

My thoughts exactly. Alex had his best year ever in spite of a lot of things, including all those dropped passes. And he had a far better first season in KC than what Trent Green did in 2001. Another major difference is the Chiefs have a youngster that they are grooming behind Alex, which is something they didn't have behind Trent Green. Hopefully, they can get something worked out with Alex that beneficial for both sides.

Off topic: As for the draft people need to pay strict attention to what John Dorsey said in an article posted today at kcchiefs.com:

"Foundations can be described in different ways by different people; I believe the foundation of a football team is on the offensive and defensive line."

Hear that? Don't expect him to draft a DB in round 1 if there is a quality 3-4 DE ( like Tuitt ) or pass-rusher available. He's aware of the need for DB's but he's not likely to reach for one in round 1. Dorsey and Reid have never drafted that way.

[MissingTBone]

How is it that we aren't stacked on either side of the ball, yet were almost topped out on cap space? With teams like Seattle being pretty solid on defense, and Donks stacked in offense how is our team with so many holes so close to out of cap room? Did we give contracts that aren't panning out?

[doobs_05]

How is it that we aren't stacked on either side of the ball, yet were almost topped out on cap space? With teams like Seattle being pretty solid on defense, and Donks stacked in offense how is our team with so many holes so close to out of cap room? Did we give contracts that aren't panning out?

Maybe we gave big conracts to players who are not playing up to that level of the contract (Bowe and probably others) Also Seattle is only paying Wilson a really cheap amount.

Don't know how the chiefs lock Smith up and then fix other issues.

As for denver, everyone WR they have is on a cheap salary (besides Welker), i think, and i think the only person making a high amount on D is Champ


MAYBE, and i know its going to be hard to swallow this, but just maybe those teams have better players in certain positions than the chiefs do.

[matthewschiefs]

We are not in that bad of cap space we are just around the middle of the pack and are not sitting on 30 million or whatever it was that we once were. Albert coming off the books most likely will even improve it. The Chiefs are not in tight cap trouble. They just don't have as much room as they did a couple of years ago

[KristofLaw]

I was not upset when we got Alex. I did feel that 2 2nd round picks was to much for him but I could live with it. I was very vocal about saying he's not Matt Cassel 2.0 when that BS was going around. But I will say I wasn't 100% sure about him.

I very much shared the same feelings. I am glad he developed here in the manner it played out. I know the missed pass was heart-breaking but he and Bowe nearly just nearly connected on that. Nobody even mentioned the Chiefs / Colts game was a battle of 1st overall selected QB's.

The Packers got Aaron Rodgers who was also a possible first overall that year and he slipt all the way to the Pack. I'm hoping there is a football connection in there at some point. A Kansas City Superbowl victory over the Packers would be something else.

That's how my confusing riddle of a football mind works, but you know, those connections are real. That Luck bounce, how does that happen football gods, how?!

[KCMASS]

I was not upset when we got Alex. I did feel that 2 2nd round picks was to much for him but I could live with it. I was very vocal about saying he's not Matt Cassel 2.0 when that BS was going around. But I will say I wasn't 100% sure about him.

Now after the season I'm VERY happy with Alex. He turned out better then what I hoped. There were some struggles early in the year. But I really expected there to be. New team new offense of course there are going to be growing pains. However at the bye I still can't say that I was 100% sold on him. Then the games after the bye came and I saw Alex CLEARLY step up his game. When the schedule got tough Alex SHOWED up. I am now sold on him. This is not a repeat of 2010 Cassel. Alex step up against the tougher teams. And Alex was OUTSTANDING the the playoff game. He put on a show. I'm very happy to have Alex Smith as this teams Qb. They need to lock him up for the rest of his career.

Matthew: I couldn't have written it any better. One of the best posts on this forum this year!

[Connie Jo]

I was thrilled when we signed Alex!! I could see great potential in him his seasons with SF! I remember in 2011 I think it was, maybe 2012...many Chiefs fans were on Alex's bandwagon, saying they'd give any thing to have a QB like Smith instead of Cassel. Well...we not only got a QB like Smith...we have the real deal!!!! ;)

[doobs_05]

I was thrilled when we signed Alex!! I could see great potential in him his seasons with SF! I remember in 2011 I think it was, maybe 2012...many Chiefs fans were on Alex's bandwagon, saying they'd give any thing to have a QB like Smith instead of Cassel. Well...we not only got a QB like Smith...we have the real deal!!!! ;)


Lot of people thought we had the real deal after 2010 with cassel, just saying

[matthewschiefs]

Lot of people thought we had the real deal after 2010 with cassel, just saying

That is true but there's a HUGE difference in now and 2010

Cassle in the playoff game failed BADLY.

Smith even losing Charles stepped up his game and put up 44 points.

That's a HUGE difference

[Eydugstr]

That is true but there's a HUGE difference in now and 2010

Cassle in the playoff game failed BADLY.

Smith even losing Charles stepped up his game and put up 44 points.

That's a HUGE difference

Spot on.

[doobs_05]

That is true but there's a HUGE difference in now and 2010

Cassle in the playoff game failed BADLY.

Smith even losing Charles stepped up his game and put up 44 points.

That's a HUGE difference

so, 2003 :D

This last loss really took a lot out of me to get excited, last year was tough but the playoff loss (in that fashion)......It's hard to say "yeah chiefs will be back in the playoffs"

[matthewschiefs]

so, 2003 :D

This last loss really took a lot out of me to get excited, last year was tough but the playoff loss (in that fashion)......It's hard to say "yeah chiefs will be back in the playoffs"


The loss hurt a lot no doubt

But from a QB spot I think it's far different from 2010 with Cassel and that's the good thing. It wasn't just one playoff game either. After the bye Alex stepped up when the schedule got tougher. Never saw that with Cassel. 03 at the end of the year was more like it. But this isn't a OLD team this time. So it's not quite like that either.

[MissingTBone]

Just my opinion but if A Smith was still quarterbacking in SF I think he would have won them that championship game. He can do the touch passes or whatever kind of pass is needed. Kap seems to throw a hard ball, but doesn't seem like he's even able to throw a finesse type pass. I wonder if SF wishes they still had him?? Not that Kap isn't a good qb and he seems more athletic than Smith but I think I'll take Smith over Kap.

[doobs_05]

Just my opinion but if A Smith was still quarterbacking in SF I think he would have won them that championship game. He can do the touch passes or whatever kind of pass is needed. Kap seems to throw a hard ball, but doesn't seem like he's even able to throw a finesse type pass. I wonder if SF wishes they still had him?? Not that Kap isn't a good qb and he seems more athletic than Smith but I think I'll take Smith over Kap.

I don't think so. Frank Gore was no where to be found in that game, and with the secondary Seattle has i think they stop Smith.

[Justin5772002]

I don't think so. Frank Gore was no where to be found in that game, and with the secondary Seattle has i think they stop Smith.
Too bad were not facing Seattle to see if your right, but next season we are

[Seek]

Just my opinion but if A Smith was still quarterbacking in SF I think he would have won them that championship game. He can do the touch passes or whatever kind of pass is needed. Kap seems to throw a hard ball, but doesn't seem like he's even able to throw a finesse type pass. I wonder if SF wishes they still had him?? Not that Kap isn't a good qb and he seems more athletic than Smith but I think I'll take Smith over Kap.

Any QB stupid enough to go sleevless in -10 degree weather, just to show his ugly guns off, is not the type of QB I want leading my team. In that Greenbay playoff game, Kap was wearing a cut off hoodie think protecting his neck, head and face but he had to show off his arms. Yes, I get there will be argument that it would hinder his throwing arm, but it does not seem to bother any other QB in the league so I will chalk it up as stupidity.

[doobs_05]

Too bad were not facing Seattle to see if your right, but next season we are

Too bad Smith isn't on SF anymore..........

I was talking about if Smith was still on the 49ers

[Justin5772002]

Too bad Smith isn't on SF anymore..........

I was talking about if Smith was still on the 49ers

but your saying Alex can't handle Seattle's secondary. Next year we play them so we will find out soon enough. Not saying we will come away with the win but if he can put up more than Kaep did (17) then I'd say he would have done even better in SF with better receivers

[Seek]

but your saying Alex can't handle Seattle's secondary. Next year we play them so we will find out soon enough. Not saying we will come away with the win but if he can put up more than Kaep did (17) then I'd say he would have done even better in SF with better receivers

You can't judge one Qb against another from two different teams specially in two different seasons. Both teams have different O-lines and different receivers. They also have different running backs and offensive game plans. We also play them at home.

[Justin5772002]

You can't judge one Qb against another from two different teams specially in two different seasons. Both teams have different O-lines and different receivers. They also have different running backs and offensive game plans. We also play them at home.
Did you even read my quote? It says that Doobs thinks that Alex cannot handle Seattle's defensive secondary and I beg to differ and that we will find out next season when we play them. Then it says that in my opinion if he puts up more points than Kaep than I THINK (my opinion) is he would have done better with better receivers. Wasn't trying to compare QBs just saying if you surround Smith with better receivers than what we had this season I think he'd perform better

[Seek]

Not saying we will come away with the win but if he can put up more than Kaep did (17) then I'd say he would have done even better in SF with better receivers

Yes, I read your quote. Maybe you should too. This right here directly shows that you are stating that if Alex can put up more this coming season with the Chiefs, then he would have done better than Kap this year. while you may use that to form your OPINION. You shouldn't because of all the different variables. If this is all you need to form an opinion, then the Chiefs secondary is in good shape. We just need to cut the starters because the back ups did great against San Diego in San Diego. While we are at it, we are better of game planning without the use of j. Charles because the offense a whole performed better in the play offs after he got hurt instead of relying on him for most of the production.

[doobs_05]

Did you even read my quote? It says that Doobs thinks that Alex cannot handle Seattle's defensive secondary and I beg to differ and that we will find out next season when we play them. Then it says that in my opinion if he puts up more points than Kaep than I THINK (my opinion) is he would have done better with better receivers. Wasn't trying to compare QBs just saying if you surround Smith with better receivers than what we had this season I think he'd perform better

why do you keep brining up next seasonw with the chiefs, i was talking about alex playing with SF in the NFC championship game with the SF players surronding him.

[Justin5772002]

I don't think so. Frank Gore was no where to be found in that game, and with the secondary Seattle has i think they stop Smith.
This is you setting the Alex Smith vs Seattle's secondary question. Your guys' point being Alex Smith WITH SF, but that's never going to happen again. Do you agree that SF has better weapons on offense than the Chiefs? My point being if that last statement is true, (that SF has better weapons on offense), and Alex Smith does a better job ripping apart SF's defense with less weapons to use with the chiefs. Than one can make an EDUCATED GUESS that given better weapons, he would only do better than his previous performance.

[Justin5772002]

why do you keep brining up next seasonw with the chiefs, i was talking about alex playing with SF in the NFC championship game with the SF players surronding him.
I keep bringing up next season cause it's the only time your going to see Smith against their secondary. I'm not a live in fantasy world type of person.

[ctchiefsfan]

Just as the Chiefs PUMMELED the Iggles last year, they will BRUTALIZE the 9ers this year. Smith will have a career day against the 9ers. Looking forward to Alex Smith's Gatorade shower against the 9ers.

[doobs_05]

Not really living in a fatnasy world, seattle had one of the best defenses in the league, all year. They were also home. I don't know how many QBs can play against that defense in seattle and look good.

but that's just my opinion

[doobs_05]

Also, as chiefs fans you'll ALWAYS say smith is better or would of won that game.

[Eydugstr]

I keep bringing up next season cause it's the only time your going to see Smith against their secondary. I'm not a live in fantasy world type of person.

Justin brings up a valid point. Why, barring major roster change, will next years' KC/Seattle matchup not count? Please explain the logic behind that? It's unlikely that Seattle would want to make big changes to a roster that took them to the SB.

[Seek]

Well first. The game will be played in Arrowhead vs being played in Seattle. The Seattle Defense will not have the crowd there to help. That right there is a huge difference in your variables for comparison. Next, would be our LT. Who is he??????

Next is possibly the weather depending on when the game is played and possible injuries. Also, it is not a play off game so the urgency to give it all won't be the same.

[doobs_05]

Well first. The game will be played in Arrowhead vs being played in Seattle. The Seattle Defense will not have the crowd there to help. That right there is a huge difference in your variables for comparison. Next, would be our LT. Who is he??????

Next is possibly the weather depending on when the game is played and possible injuries. Also, it is not a play off game so the urgency to give it all won't be the same.


Don't forget, Seattle would be preparing for a whole new team and coaches except for Alex.

[Justin5772002]

Well first. The game will be played in Arrowhead vs being played in Seattle. The Seattle Defense will not have the crowd there to help. That right there is a huge difference in your variables for comparison. Next, would be our LT. Who is he??????

Next is possibly the weather depending on when the game is played and possible injuries. Also, it is not a play off game so the urgency to give it all won't be the same.
Doobs said Alex can't handle Seattle's secondary. This is the arguement nothing else is being argued here factors aside we will see if Alex can play his "smart" and still aggressive offense against the best secondary in the game

[Justin5772002]

Also game being played in Arrowhead doesn't impact Seattle's defense other than not hindering our offense

[doobs_05]

Doobs said Alex can't handle Seattle's secondary. This is the arguement nothing else is being argued here factors aside we will see if Alex can play his "smart" and still aggressive offense against the best secondary in the game

And what if the secondary is changed or their defense changes? On that day in seatle, i don't think Alex would of done anythign different than Kaep to make the game a victory for SF.

Is that better.

[Seek]

Also game being played in Arrowhead doesn't impact Seattle's defense other than not hindering our offense

Sorry, but playing in Seattle greatly benefits Seattles Defense. Offensive lineman are going off movement instead of count. The noise energizes the defense specially when they are considered oen of the loudest stadiums. It give the defense a huge home field advantage. Being in Arrowhead gives our offense better communication and less pressure worrying about if the ball is snapped and blocking in defense but rather attacking the defense knowing the ball is snapped.

Regardless of your argument against Doobs. You can't compare any game situation to faily judge if Alex would or would not play better than Kap in that situation. Maybe in your own opinion, but that is not fair to either QB.

[Seek]

And what if the secondary is changed or their defense changes? On that day in seatle, i don't think Alex would of done anythign different than Kaep to make the game a victory for SF.

Is that better.

I think Alex would have done more in the passing game than Kap, but Kap would have been more effective running the ball which was most of San Frans sucess as Gore wasn't getting it done.

When it comes down to it. I am Glad Alex Smith is the Chiefs QB. He showed play making ability in the play off game, and is a winner. Plain and simple. Regardless of what ifs... Alex has won my loyalty as the Chiefs Qb.

[doobs_05]

I think Alex would have done more in the passing game than Kap, but Kap would have been more effective running the ball which was most of San Frans sucess as Gore wasn't getting it done.

When it comes down to it. I am Glad Alex Smith is the Chiefs QB. He showed play making ability in the play off game, and is a winner. Plain and simple. Regardless of what ifs... Alex has won my loyalty as the Chiefs Qb.

He showed he can play, but i've seriously taken a different stance with the team, you do whatever you want in the regular season0-16 - 16-0 but if you can't win in the playoffs, then you're no different then the other chiefs teams. Being happy with just making to the playoffs as a wild card is like a C- and with a afc west title its a C+

[Seek]

Alex Did everything he could to win that game. It was the Defense who failed to win the play offs. In fact Alex's performance in the play offs making the plays he did, was exciting to watch. He took the inujry to J Charles on his own shoulders and made that offense click.

4 of the top 7 paid players on this team was in the secondary who failed to make the money they are being paid (Berry, Flowers, Smith and Robinson). Changes need to be focused here and not on the QB.

[matthewschiefs]

Really the playoff game is still being talked about?

Alex Smith put up numbers and points that had NEVER lost in a playoff game before. That tells you how much of the loss was because of the offense. And throughout the season when the scedule got tougher the offense picked up there game. The defense folded there tents up and crumbled. Again that should tell you where things need to be fixed. The offense needs WR/TE help. The defense needs a lot more then that

[Pro_Angler]

Pay the nan 5 yr deal 17 mil a year

[Pro_Angler]

That loss had nothing to do with Alex!!! Defense was hurt all over and we lost both our running backs by 4th qtr thus we weren't abk e to control the clock and they caught us!! Nit Alex fault in the least!!!

[Pro_Angler]

We don't lose 2 pro bowl defensive players and our 2 running backs we win!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Thank you Angler! Alex IMO is not and will never be "one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game" but I think he is one of the best we have had in a long long time (with the obvious exception of the Montana years). Another thing I like about him is that I think he honestly LIKES playing for the Chiefs. I think he would like to finish his career here and would be willing to work with Dorsey on cap space issues if he feels we are making a serious commitment to him.

[Eydugstr]

Alex Did everything he could to win that game. It was the Defense who failed to win the play offs. In fact Alex's performance in the play offs making the plays he did, was exciting to watch. He took the inujry to J Charles on his own shoulders and made that offense click.

4 of the top 7 paid players on this team was in the secondary who failed to make the money they are being paid (Berry, Flowers, Smith and Robinson). Changes need to be focused here and not on the QB.

Alex played his butt off in the playoff game. It amazes me how the Matt Cassel/Alex Smith dartboard salesmen are still trying to chip away at the man who gave this team a 28 point lead. But even if he won five super bowls, they probably will still find some way to criticize him.

Our defense was just not the same after the first Broncos game. The pass rush began to fade, our secondary fell victim to crossing patterns and got hit by the injury bug. So if we draft a monster pass rusher, or go after secondary help I wouldn't complain.

[Seek]

Alex played his butt off in the playoff game. It amazes me how the Matt Cassel/Alex Smith dartboard salesmen are still trying to chip away at the man who gave this team a 28 point lead. But even if he won five super bowls, they probably will still find some way to criticize him.

Our defense was just not the same after the first Broncos game. The pass rush began to fade, our secondary fell victim to crossing patterns and got hit by the injury bug. So if we draft a monster pass rusher, or go after secondary help I wouldn't complain.


It was well before the Broncos game. Even against the Browns the defense looked horrible against Campbell as Qb. Since that game, our sacks seemed to have stopped and the secondary was chasing tail.