Elway's a fool for signing some FA's he has... [Archive]

Connie Jo

03-13-2014, 09:56 PM

Yep, that's right. I think Elway's a fool for signing Ware and Talib in particular. I'm not alone, several pro analyst articles I've read have more or less said the same...the signings were "risky".

I don't know why some Chiefs fans are worried and think the donkey signings were so great. Below is a quote from one pro analyst:

"Ware was just released by the Dallas Cowboys Tuesday afternoon at the official start of the NFL free-agent period: the team didn't want to carry his $16 million salary cap figure for the 2014 season. Ware turns 32 before the start of the season, was hampered by quad injuries and finished with a career low six sacks in a career low 13 games."

I don't know why some think the signing of Talib was all that great, either. The quote below is from another NFL pro analyst giving thoughts on the donkey's latest signings:

"Talib is a risk, too. He's had hip injuries and also incurred some off field issues, which ran him out of Tampa Bay just a few years ago. Plus, last we saw of him he was being taken out in the playoff game by the Bronco' Wes Welker on a play Bill Belichick called one of the dirtiest he had ever seen. Clearly, Talib has forgotten, or was charmed by dollar signs, whatever."

The donkey's signed two injury prone aging players. One of which has had off field issues, too, and another coming off his worst career year ever, and they spent $87 million to sign those two "risky" players. I don't call that making "great" moves on Elway's part, rather, call it foolish.

Elway's ego has more to do with who he's signing than any other factor. He's trying to make a media splash because his ego LOVES the attention, but he's also trying to redeem himself & the franchise after their pathetic humiliating Super Bowl loss. He's really not that smart of a GM.

He's been signing aging injury prone players, including Manning, at the end of their careers chasing one Super Bowl win, that's it. He's trying to build a one year SB winning team. He's not preparing for the future, nor for a team that can compete consistently for consecutive seasons. Hey, maybe it's worth it to some, but I'd rather have a wise GM like Dorsey, who builds more through the draft, homegrown young and healthy players who can compete for years to come, and win consistently and for more than one season. I want a Dorsey & Reid dynasty, like Green Bay & the Pats built...not a one year contender.

Connie Jo

03-13-2014, 10:13 PM

Additionally...Manning isn't all *that* great of a threat either. His pitiful performance in Super Bowl exposed his weaknesses when playing against a true Super Bowl worthy caliber team...Seattle. The donkey's weren't a Super Bowl caliber team, had they been, they wouldn't have lost as pathetically as they did. They had a 2013 season of which many opponents had mediocre or bad defenses. They also had refs at times appear to protect Manning by allowing his O-Line to choke hold opposing defenses without being flagged for it.

Whether those refs intentionally helped Manning or not, is questionable or debatable no doubt. He's the NFL's biggest money maker with endorsements, and he's the media's biggest money maker too, in that coverage of him draws high ratings/profits/sponsor dollars. If Manning was seriously hurt, couldn't play...money is lost on many levels of the NFL & it's partners. Most would protect their business investments, including human....IE: a billion dollar investment value NFL QB - Manning.

The officiating in the Super Bowl was fair, no protection for Manning like he'd had often in the regular season, and Manning was pressured unlike he'd been all season. As is his history, Manning chokes when under pressure, and he stayed true to that history playing in SB 2014. He's struggling with age, arthritic & troubled joints, including his knees & neck, and his throwing arm isn't what it once was. He has publicly admitted such.

The donkey's better hope Lady Luck and the refs are on their side again in 2014.

matthewschiefs

03-13-2014, 10:19 PM

Always good to see a Connie JO post

Ware doesn't scare me at all. I don't know if anyone paid attention but that Dallas D with him was HORRIBLE last year. And Ware was part of that. I think that pick up is overrated

ctchiefsfan

03-13-2014, 11:37 PM

Great posts Connie Jo!!!! I hate how many players we have lost to free agency, but seeing the crazy money they are getting paid there is no doubt they had to go.

As to the donks....If I was an oddsmaker I'd have to make them the favorite to win the west. But I wouldn't make the odds TOO BIG....as you say, Elway is cobbling together a team of aging stars that is only an injury or two from becoming very mediocre very quickly! Perhaps more importantly, in the not to distant future donkeyland is going to find itself in very deep salary cap trouble....or maybe losing a few draft choices--AGAIN!!!

Eydugstr

03-14-2014, 08:45 AM

Elway's ego has more to do with who he's signing than any other factor. He's trying to make a media splash because his ego LOVES the attention, but he's also trying to redeem himself & the franchise after their pathetic humiliating Super Bowl loss. He's really not that smart of a GM.

He's been signing aging injury prone players, including Manning, at the end of their careers chasing one Super Bowl win, that's it. He's trying to build a one year SB winning team. He's not preparing for the future, nor for a team that can compete consistently for consecutive seasons. Hey, maybe it's worth it to some, but I'd rather have a wise GM like Dorsey, who builds more through the draft, homegrown young and healthy players who can compete for years to come, and win consistently and for more than one season. I want a Dorsey & Reid dynasty, like Green Bay & the Pats built...not a one year contender.

That's it; Nail on the head, Connie Jo.

Know that some people have been disappointed with the lack of big name signings by KC in the past few days...But there is an additional thing I'd like to point out. Whether it works out for Denver or not, someone in Denver is going to be shilling out huge dollars over the Manning, Welker, Talib & Ware signings. And guess what...It's not John Elway. It's not even Pat Bowlen. It's the Bronco fanbase. They're going to see it in the prices of tickets, parking, concessions, merchandise, publicity events etc etc. That money comes from somewhere. Better them than us.

So given the current rules with rookie contracts, and the fact that a lot of the free agents were either a) going to re-sign with their team or b) not really game changing talent...I'm very okay with what Reid & Dorsey are doing.

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 12:50 PM

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 01:45 PM

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 01:51 PM

In other words, you fantasize of Elway when you hump your neighbors dog.

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Man you got me. Glad you could counter my points.

matthewschiefs

03-14-2014, 02:26 PM

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Elway is doing this because they have a team that made the NFL. And by saying the Broncos don't have a super caliber team, you just shot down the whole AFC (yes including the chiefs). They are in a win now mode. I get it, were chiefs fans and we're suppose to circle-jerk about how bad the donkeys are "see that super loss, hahaha so funny". At least they ****ing made the super bowl. I don't look at manning the same way a lot of you guys do, dude has 11 wins in the playoffs, how many do the chiefs have in the same span.......0, "but he sucks and he's the reason their team loses" oh okay but cassel was not the only problem when chiefs were bad

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Like i said, it get it, some of you want this to be a circle-jerk about "this is the chiefs year, doresy and reid will lead us to the promise land, all the teams in the afc west are going to be terrible for years to come".

I don't think that anyone disagrees with the Denver is in win now mode. BUT that like I've said has never been a proven way to win. In fact it just leads to trouble. I go back to the uncapped year we had a few years ago. A lot of teams loaded up for that season. Who went to the superbow? Pittsburgh and Green Bay. Two teams who build there team through the draft and don't go out and spend a lot in free agency. What Denver is doing sounds great on paper but as we have seen over the years on paper doesn't mean it will be great on the field. Denver is going with the method that has a track record of failing more often then not.

As for the Manning point. I don't anyone says he sucks. Just that he's overrated. The talking heads on tv tell you he's the best ever BLAH BLAH BLAH. He's not. He has thrown way to many game costing picks late in the playoffs to be there. He's good. He's a hall of famer without question but he's not close to the best ever. Comparing Cassel and Manning deal is insane. No one is saying that Cassel is the best ever. They are about Manning. It's just not the same

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 02:33 PM

Man you got me. Glad you could counter my points.

Nobody has said the Donkeys didn't a have a good team, as you were suggesting or was imply anything else that you were suggesting, STUPID. Your so-called "points" weren't even remotely suggested by anybody. What others are saying is this FA spending by the Donkeys could damage them over the long haul.

I don't know what you current occupation is, but you should go to the closest hospital and apply for a job as a bedpan, because with your IQ equivelant, you can't miss.

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 03:46 PM

I don't think that anyone disagrees with the Denver is in win now mode. BUT that like I've said has never been a proven way to win. In fact it just leads to trouble. I go back to the uncapped year we had a few years ago. A lot of teams loaded up for that season. Who went to the superbow? Pittsburgh and Green Bay. Two teams who build there team through the draft and don't go out and spend a lot in free agency. What Denver is doing sounds great on paper but as we have seen over the years on paper doesn't mean it will be great on the field. Denver is going with the method that has a track record of failing more often then not.

As for the Manning point. I don't anyone says he sucks. Just that he's overrated. The talking heads on tv tell you he's the best ever BLAH BLAH BLAH. He's not. He has thrown way to many game costing picks late in the playoffs to be there. He's good. He's a hall of famer without question but he's not close to the best ever. Comparing Cassel and Manning deal is insane. No one is saying that Cassel is the best ever. They are about Manning. It's just not the same

The manning and cassel comparison was more along the lines of when a team manning is QB for loses "lol manning sucks lost the game"

When cassel was playing like crap all game "guys its not all cassel's fault, its other problems as well"

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 03:54 PM

Nobody has said the Donkeys didn't a have a good team, as you were suggesting or was imply anything else that you were suggesting, STUPID. Your so-called "points" weren't even remotely suggested by anybody. What others are saying is this FA spending by the Donkeys could damage them over the long haul.

I don't know what you current occupation is, but you should go to the closest hospital and apply for a job as a bedpan, because with your IQ equivelant, you can't miss.

The donks don't care about the long haul, they've gotten out of messes before and became a contender pretty fast. When you have a team that got to the super bowl and your QB is aging but showed he can still play, they're going to build around that. What is elway suppose to do, sit on his hands and do nothing "we got to the super bowl, but lost. Might as well build for the future even tho my future HoF QB is still playing." The fans want to see that super bowl win, elway wants the super win, that whole team wants the super bowl win. It's risky, but don't act like its a dumb move. Chiefs are rebuilding, Denver is ready to win.

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 04:23 PM

The donks don't care about the long haul, they've gotten out of messes before and became a contender pretty fast. When you have a team that got to the super bowl and your QB is aging but showed he can still play, they're going to build around that. What is elway suppose to do, sit on his hands and do nothing "we got to the super bowl, but lost. Might as well build for the future even tho my future HoF QB is still playing." The fans want to see that super bowl win, elway wants the super win, that whole team wants the super bowl win. It's risky, but don't act like its a dumb move. Chiefs are rebuilding, Denver is ready to win.

You really are void of any grey matter between the ears if you can't figure out that 87 mill in contracts between two players -- both of whom will not help them surpass the NFC Powers, as Ware is not that big of an upgrade over Shaun Phillips, and Talib is not an upgrade over Rodgers Cromartie (assuming he doesn't resign) -- isn't fiscally incompetent. They've paid all this money for two players to replace two players of similar caliber that most likely they could have resigned for a lot less <--that's what CJ and others are pointing out and that they haven't bolstered their talent level a whole lot. What part of that don't you get?

Are you really stupid enough to believe that if the Donkeys had Ware and Talib, instead of Phillips and DRC, that they would've beaten the Hawks in the SB? FAT CHANCE!!!!!

All you've ever illustrated to anybody is that if someone were light a candle and hold it beside your right ear & then blew in your left ear, they'd blow the damn candle out.

Eydugstr

03-14-2014, 04:39 PM

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Elway is doing this because they have a team that made the NFL. And by saying the Broncos don't have a super caliber team, you just shot down the whole AFC (yes including the chiefs). They are in a win now mode. I get it, were chiefs fans and we're suppose to circle-jerk about how bad the donkeys are "see that super loss, hahaha so funny". At least they ****ing made the super bowl. I don't look at manning the same way a lot of you guys do, dude has 11 wins in the playoffs, how many do the chiefs have in the same span.......0, "but he sucks and he's the reason their team loses" oh okay but cassel was not the only problem when chiefs were bad

Like i said, it get it, some of you want this to be a circle-jerk about "this is the chiefs year, doresy and reid will lead us to the promise land, all the teams in the afc west are going to be terrible for years to come".

The Broncos made the NFL ?!? Dude, Elway has you hook, line & sinker.

Actually I didn't mention the SB loss, just questioned GM Elway's battle plan of "Sign the biggest name free agents for huge dollars, so that my $95 million dollar 38 year old QB - with a history of neck surgery and zero mobility - can feel more secure about staying with the team." But now that you bring it up, Manning didn't live up to his pricetag once he got to the SB, and it's not like Elway's other acquisitions did anything to help.

Calling what the Chiefs front office are doing right now a "circle jerk" is WAY off base. The Broncos (fortunately for them) have not had to suffer through a 2-14 season like the one we had in '12. Dorsey and Reid are simply playing the hand they've been dealt this year. And unlike the Hee-haw squad, just can't picture Clark Hunt violating the cap rules blowing money hand over fist.

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 05:11 PM

Are you really stupid enough to believe that if the Donkeys had Ware and Talib, instead of Phillips and DRC, that they would've beaten the Hawks in the SB? FAT CHANCE!!!!!

Oh, and I forgot to add to that, obviously Elway is stupid enough to believe it, but that's not surprising since Elway is stupid enough to think that he was in the same class as Joe Montana when it came to playing QB, but the rest of the world, outside of the Donkeys camp, actually saw differently when they were actually on the playing field, and the rest of the world saw that Elway was never in Montana's class.

Connie Jo

03-14-2014, 06:31 PM

OR

Elway is doing this because they have a team that made the NFL. And by saying the Broncos don't have a super caliber team, you just shot down the whole AFC (yes including the chiefs). They are in a win now mode. I get it, were chiefs fans and we're suppose to circle-jerk about how bad the donkeys are "see that super loss, hahaha so funny". At least they ****ing made the super bowl. I don't look at manning the same way a lot of you guys do, dude has 11 wins in the playoffs, how many do the chiefs have in the same span.......0, "but he sucks and he's the reason their team loses" oh okay but cassel was not the only problem when chiefs were bad

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Like i said, it get it, some of you want this to be a circle-jerk about "this is the chiefs year, doresy and reid will lead us to the promise land, all the teams in the afc west are going to be terrible for years to come".

Call it as I see it, because the reality is...Chiefs are NOT a SB caliber team, either...yet, that is. That said however, I do believe the Chiefs would've scored more than 8 pts. in the Super Bowl playing against Seattle. I don't believe the donkey's would've made it to SB had it not been for their weak schedule, and for refs allowing opposing defenses to be held without flagging Denver's offensive line.

Sure, all teams get away with holds now & then, or other penalities, but the donkey's were getting away with it EVERY game, and there were many non called holds EVERY game they played. Manning is the NFL's most valuable $$$ making player with marketing, endorsements, as well as is the media's big money maker. They all stand to lose millions if Manning goes down in a game seriously injured and can't return. I believe the refs were giving Manning, the NFL & media's biggest $$$ making investment...'extra' protection. There are many more photo's to back it up.

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Connie Jo

03-14-2014, 06:36 PM

I'd be a fool if I didn't question how many TD's and yards would Manning have thrown in 2013 had the refs thrown flags on Manning's O-Line for holding opposing defenses. I speculate many QB's could've been more successful if their O-Lines were allowed to hold, including blatent choke holds right in front of refs vision.

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brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 06:41 PM

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 07:04 PM

^^Thanks for the pics CJ. And there are pics of those chokeholds from the game in KC, as well, I'm sure.

But, doobs_05 is a Donkeys fan & it wouldn't matter if your original post was put into braille and shoved up his arse. He still wouldn't comprehend what you were pointing out.

hahahahahahaha, just because i'm not a blind homer doesnt mean i'm not a fan. Any time a person says one bad thing about the chiefs, everyone flips out and calls them *SHOCKED* A BRONCO FAN.

Every team gets away with holding calls. KC pass rush was disappearing even before the Denver game. But if you want to make excuse for KC and why they can't win games, go for it.

Denver got to the super bowl (if you want to say the refs helped them, go for it), but my point to this whole thing is denver is in a win now mode, i bet its peytons final year. No way denver does not re-sign DT and VM. They brought in players they thought could help them win. Its just like the chiefs brining in players.

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 07:13 PM

The Broncos made the NFL ?!? Dude, Elway has you hook, line & sinker.

Actually I didn't mention the SB loss, just questioned GM Elway's battle plan of "Sign the biggest name free agents for huge dollars, so that my $95 million dollar 38 year old QB - with a history of neck surgery and zero mobility - can feel more secure about staying with the team." But now that you bring it up, Manning didn't live up to his pricetag once he got to the SB, and it's not like Elway's other acquisitions did anything to help.

Calling what the Chiefs front office are doing right now a "circle jerk" is WAY off base. The Broncos (fortunately for them) have not had to suffer through a 2-14 season like the one we had in '12. Dorsey and Reid are simply playing the hand they've been dealt this year. And unlike the Hee-haw squad, just can't picture Clark Hunt violating the cap rules blowing money hand over fist.

WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR 3 ****ING YEARS NOW! And nothing has happen to Peyton *inb4, the line holds all the damn time* This is what i'm talking about. It's always going to happen, "denver will lose to kc in arrowhead" denver wins "denver will lose in the first round" wins "NE will beat Denver, brady has Peytons number" denver wins "they'll lose in the super bowl" they lose "hahahah see i told you" yeah after you guessed it so many times.

The "broncos made the NFL" should of been super bowl, my bad lol

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 07:13 PM

I'm just not a blind homer who thinks every chiefs move is brilliant and every move by the opposing team is terrible

Well, no sh!t, McDuff. Many of us here have questioned many of the Chiefs moves over the years. Personally, I didn't like the 2010 draft at all for the Chiefs and I've stated that many times. Many have stated they didn't like Bowe being signed to a big contact and there are many other examples.

So tell us, who exactly are these "blind homers who thinks every chiefs move is brilliant and every move by the opposing team is terrible" that you speak of? I know of none.

matthewschiefs

03-14-2014, 07:29 PM

The manning and cassel comparison was more along the lines of when a team manning is QB for loses "lol manning sucks lost the game"

When cassel was playing like crap all game "guys its not all cassel's fault, its other problems as well"

I understand that mindset but theres a big difference in the two.

One we are told is the best to ever play the game. He is the one that the team is suppose to count on to come up big and take the team to the win. So when he throws 2 picks and fumbles in the biggest game of the year with the build up he gets the backlash is going to be bigger.

The other is nothing more then an average QB. the hype isnt as big you're not counting on him to come up huge for the team. You not getting anything more then expected. so to compare the backlash the two get is just not a good comparision

As for the blind fan thing I can't say I've seen to many of that. Berdempsy has over time had things about the Chiefs he didn't like. Example is Brandon Albert. He was never high on him. I think pretty much everyone Bashed Pioli. I took some heat during the 2012 season when I "defended" Cassel when I said he wasn't the only problem with the team. I don't see many blind fans here that's just my opinion. Lots are critical of what Denvers doing but there are reasons that are vailid. What they are doing just hasn't worked. Not just in the NFL but in many sports. In the NBA the Knicks brought in name after name for a few years and are to this day a mess because of it. Can it work for Denver sure. But I think it's very fair to be critical of a team using a method that just hasn't worked in sports.

ctchiefsfan

03-14-2014, 07:32 PM

doobs_05

03-14-2014, 07:49 PM

I understand that mindset but theres a big difference in the two.

One we are told is the best to ever play the game. He is the one that the team is suppose to count on to come up big and take the team to the win. So when he throws 2 picks and fumbles in the biggest game of the year with the build up he gets the backlash is going to be bigger.

The other is nothing more then an average QB. the hype isnt as big you're not counting on him to come up huge for the team. You not getting anything more then expected. so to compare the backlash the two get is just not a good comparision

As for the blind fan thing I can't say I've seen to many of that. Berdempsy has over time had things about the Chiefs he didn't like. Example is Brandon Albert. He was never high on him. I think pretty much everyone Bashed Pioli. I took some heat during the 2012 season when I "defended" Cassel when I said he wasn't the only problem with the team. I don't see many blind fans here that's just my opinion. Lots are critical of what Denvers doing but there are reasons that are vailid. What they are doing just hasn't worked. Not just in the NFL but in many sports. In the NBA the Knicks brought in name after name for a few years and are to this day a mess because of it. Can it work for Denver sure. But I think it's very fair to be critical of a team using a method that just hasn't worked in sports.

Alright, i'll apologize to anyone i upset with my words

The buying out players has worked for NY Yankess in the past (then again i dont know if they were BIG spenders in their other WS appearences).

ctchiefsfan put (in way better words) what i was trying to say.

ctchiefsfan

03-14-2014, 07:52 PM

But, doobs_05 is a Donkeys fan & it wouldn't matter if your original post was put into braille and shoved up his arse. He still wouldn't comprehend what you were pointing out.

brdempsey....I am glad to see you back. You've been MIA for a while and I was just about to send out a search party. You've been on a real tear all through this thread. And lemme be clear......doobs_05 annoys the hell out of me sometimes. But I think calling him a donkeys fan is being a little harsh. For me at least he has come nowhere near being as annoying as MMO/MMH was. I mean....if you called me a Raiders fan I'd probably stroke out right at my keyboard. I'm not telling you what to do. I've no standing here to do that, but could you maybe tone it down just a little? Again. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just asking that as a fellow Chiefs fan could you maybe consider turning down the heat a little?

matthewschiefs

03-14-2014, 08:00 PM

Alright, i'll apologize to anyone i upset with my words

The buying out players has worked for NY Yankess in the past (then again i dont know if they were BIG spenders in their other WS appearences).

ctchiefsfan put (in way better words) what i was trying to say.

When they won in 09 they were huge spenders so it worked out for them in the late 90s early 00s they won with guys that worked through there system or they found that were not highly thought of the Jeters,Riveras and such. Guys they drafted or made into stars. In the time they have really went out and spent 200 million they have missed the playoffs twice to 1 ws win. So if thats working for you then sure it works for them. The Yanks and Redsox both have made it work at times but at the same time it has come back to bite them at times.

ctchiefsfan

03-14-2014, 08:06 PM

ctchiefsfan put (in way better words) what i was trying to say.

Thanks for the mention. I have been watching this thread blow up and I apologize for how long my post was but I sorta think maybe I understand what elway is doing. Like many on this board, I was all hot to trot for us to buy manning. 2 years later, with a new head coach and a new GM, I am glad we didn't. But that is just me and how I think. I'm not a gambler. Never even been to Vegas or wanted to.

As pished as I will be if the damned donks win a Super Bowl with manning, I honestly think Reid and Dorsey are charting a path that will make me happy as a Chiefs fan for a much longer time than anything Elway is doing in donkeyland.

But that is just me and I can certainly understand a Chiefs fan that would be in favor of "risking it all" for a shot at the Super Bowl. Not my way of thinking, but I understand it.

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 09:32 PM

brdempsey....I am glad to see you back. You've been MIA for a while and I was just about to send out a search party. You've been on a real tear all through this thread. And lemme be clear......doobs_05 annoys the hell out of me sometimes. But I think calling him a donkeys fan is being a little harsh. For me at least he has come nowhere near being as annoying as MMO/MMH was. I mean....if you called me a Raiders fan I'd probably stroke out right at my keyboard. I'm not telling you what to do. I've no standing here to do that, but could you maybe tone it down just a little? Again. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just asking that as a fellow Chiefs fan could you maybe consider turning down the heat a little?

Sorry, but in case anyone hasn't noticed, this is a Chiefs fans website, not a site for defending the Donkeys like he does continually with stupid & illogical posts time and again, even with substantiated evidence put right in front of his face. When he stops doing that, then I'll stop the attack. And I did tell him before not to post responses to me, but he chose to disregard that. So be it, but I suggest that he and other like him consider a statement that Ho Chi Minh made prior to the French-Indochina war when he told the French: "If you want to fight, then we will fight. For every 10 men of ours that you kill, we will kill one of yours, BUT IN THE END, YOU WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL TIRE OF IT".

Even in this thread, he chose to rip things out of context. Connie Jo is quite correct about Elway being a fool for handing out 87 mill in contracts to two players ( and I believe it's over 40 mill in guaranteed money ) that probably will not be much of an upgrade over the two guys they'll most likely be replacing & could ultimately wind up being a downgrade, and of course doobs_05 defended it like a dog defends its food when it senses the threat of it being taken away -- completely illogical and anybody with any sense of diplomacy can see that.

So what if the Donkeys gave Manning a 5-yr 96 mill contract? Are you telling me that because of that, the playing field should be tilted unfairly in the Donkeys favor like Connie Jo provided pictorial evidence of, or that it excuses Elway for paying a whopping amount to these two players that would not have made any difference in their SB loss to Seattle? Sorry, but I'm not buying into any that. Connie Jo is simply telling the truth, she's not giving her opinion, as one might believe.

Donkeys can not and will not win any SB without the deck stacked in their favor somehow and here's an article that proves they were cheating the salary cap from 1996-1998 for which they got fined for and lost draft picks and if you read Bowlen's statements you can easily see he's nothing more than a clever liar.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

BTW, Joe Montana's contract with the Chiefs was 3 yrs, 10 mill., not 43 mill, and the Chiefs didn't have the playing field tilted in their favor in any way, shape, or form while Montana played in KC.

Eydugstr

03-14-2014, 10:05 PM

WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR 3 ****ING YEARS NOW! And nothing has happen to Peyton *inb4, the line holds all the damn time* This is what i'm talking about. It's always going to happen, "denver will lose to kc in arrowhead" denver wins "denver will lose in the first round" wins "NE will beat Denver, brady has Peytons number" denver wins "they'll lose in the super bowl" they lose "hahahah see i told you" yeah after you guessed it so many times.

The "broncos made the NFL" should of been super bowl, my bad lol

Yeah, the Broncos have skirted disaster. A combination of getting rid of the ball fast & holding no-calls has kept Peyton on the field. If I was an Offensive lineman for the Broncos, and my paycheck revolved around me keeping Peyton upright, I'd be holding, too. I'd also be expecting to get flagged & fined as well. Strangely enough that part just doesn't seem to happen to the Broncos. None of which makes Elway a genius GM. Doesn't make anything I stated untrue, either.

As far as the "win now" theory...Sounds great, as long as you win, and/or figure out a way to stick someone else with the tab.

ctchiefsfan

03-14-2014, 10:44 PM

brdempsey....C'mon....you know I am not picking a fight with you. I consider you a friend and one that I usually agree with.

On Montana's contract....

BTW, Joe Montana's contract with the Chiefs was 3 yrs, 10 mill., not 43 mill, and the Chiefs didn't have the playing field tilted in their favor in any way, shape, or form while Montana played in KC.

Yes I know that. But if you take that 3 years/$10 million, adjust it for inflation since '93 when we signed Montana and then multiply it to reach 5 years it comes out to roughly $43 million for 5 years in today's dollars. I was merely trying to make a fairly honest comparison between the two contracts. Y'know....apples to apples? Guess I didn't do a good enough job of making that clear in my earlier post.

As to these new free agent signings by Elway.....I tend to agree that they were foolish. But not doing them would have been even more foolish. Elway's choice was "dumb or dumber". He chose dumb. The true stupidity was signing manning to a $96 million contract.

Elway has burned through 40% of the contract with manning and elway has no more "outs" for passing physicals. And if Elway doesn't produce a Super Bowl win with manning then he looks like the biggest jackass excuse for a GM to ever walk the planet. Which he probably is.

He has no choice but to "double down" and bring in a bunch of overpriced free agents. Because if he burns $96 million on manning and doesn't get a Super Bowl win to show for it then he looks like he should be riding on the "short bus". Which he probably should. I'm not much impressed with the free agents he bought. He should have done much better for the cash he spent. These signings make me think of a John that spends $300 for 20 minutes with a streetwalker.

As to the "special consideration" that manning has without a doubt received from the zebras and maybe from the NFL....there is NO DOUBT it is there. Only a complete fool wouldn't recognize that. But it is what it is and as rotten as it sounds to say, that is part of what the damned donks paid $96 million for. YES! An uneven playing field. And right now it looks like they may not even get what they thought they were paying for. They thought they were paying for a Super Bowl win. So far, all they have gotten is a SUPER EMBARRASSMENT.

Lighten up brdempsey.....I'm not picking a fight with you. I'm just calling things the way I see them. I *THINK* I understand what elway is doing and if I was in his shoes I'd probably do the same thing. Because once he bought manning he was screwed if he didn't win a Super Bowl. And after this year it's starting to look like he won't.

Personally, I think there is a real good chance that about 5-6 years from now there will be planes flying over Mile High towing banners saying "FIRE ELWAY." The moron has screwed himself. If after spending $96 million on manning the donks don't win a Super Bowl denver will run elway out of town on a rail.

brdempsey69

03-14-2014, 11:39 PM

ctchiefsfan

03-15-2014, 12:29 AM

ctchiefsfan,

You are missing the point. The point is Elway DIDN'T have to overspend for these two guys, because neither of these two guys would have made any difference to the outcome of the last SB and they aren't major upgrades over the two players that they'll be replacing. This isn't the same scenario as Alex Smith upgrading the QB position over Matt Cassel or Peyton Manning upgrading the QB position over Tim Tebow, not by a longshot. And Elway should have been smart enough to see that before handing out these big contracts, but I'm grateful that he wasn't and grateful he proved to everybody that he's not as smart as he'd like everyone to think.

brdempsey69.....

I agree with just about everything you said. But with all due respect, I think you missed my point. I think Elway is running scared. In the last two years he has dumped $38 million into manning and he is certainly going to pay him another $20 million this year. That's $58 million in 3 years. And what does he have to show for it so far? A TRULY EMBARRASSING Super Bowl blowout. Given his history before the NFL handed him 2 Super Bowls I suspect he is waking up in the middle of the night with the cold shakes thinking he may get no return on investment for the $96 million. In short I think that after this last embarrassment he is terrified he is not going to get a Super Bowl for that $96 million bucks. Instead he is worried that manning will turn out to be no better than he was on a level playing field. I think this worthless dweeb is scared shipless. When the NFL didn't hand him this last Super Bowl on a platter he got more scared than a herion addict that lost his dealer.

And Elway run out of Denver? Never happen. His followers are too big of SHEEP to muster the intestinal fortitude to run him out of town.

You may have a point there and I may have gone a little over the top. But tell me true.....once manning and all the other aging vets are gone and the donks are never winning more than 6 games per year for 3-4 years straight how long will it be before donks fans mutiny if the manning money didn't buy them a Super Bowl? And there is no certainty it will.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Elway KNOWS he was given 2 Super Bowls and he EXPECTED to be given one this year. And I think he may be terrified that he might have to earn one instead of having to given to him. Just a thought.......

brdempsey69

03-15-2014, 02:30 AM

brdempsey69.....

I agree with just about everything you said. But with all due respect, I think you missed my point. I think Elway is running scared. In the last two years he has dumped $38 million into manning and he is certainly going to pay him another $20 million this year. That's $58 million in 3 years. And what does he have to show for it so far? A TRULY EMBARRASSING Super Bowl blowout. Given his history before the NFL handed him 2 Super Bowls I suspect he is waking up in the middle of the night with the cold shakes thinking he may get no return on investment for the $96 million. In short I think that after this last embarrassment he is terrified he is not going to get a Super Bowl for that $96 million bucks. Instead he is worried that manning will turn out to be no better than he was on a level playing field. I think this worthless dweeb is scared shipless. When the NFL didn't hand him this last Super Bowl on a platter he got more scared than a herion addict that lost his dealer.

You may have a point there and I may have gone a little over the top. But tell me true.....once manning and all the other aging vets are gone and the donks are never winning more than 6 games per year for 3-4 years straight how long will it be before donks fans mutiny if the manning money didn't buy them a Super Bowl? And there is no certainty it will.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Elway KNOWS he was given 2 Super Bowls and he EXPECTED to be given one this year. And I think he may be terrified that he might have to earn one instead of having to given to him. Just a thought.......

Funny that you should refer to him as a DWEEB, because I remember a gal named Gail that I worked with that also called him a DWEEB back in 1990. I really P.O'd Donkeys fans at nfl.com after the SB and really took some shots at Elway when I told Donkeys fans that now their all-time SB record was now 0 wins, 5 losses, and 2 given to them as a going-away present to Elway because he wasn't good enough to earn one outright on a level playing field & telling them Elway was overrated and named a dozen other QB's that I know were better. Especially telling them that SB 48 will always be known to me as the JUSTICE BOWL because the Donkeys and their fans got exactly what they deserved.

It was especially hilarious telling Elway was an inferior QB to Joe Montana and listed a whole slew of points that they could not refute. Especially what happened in SB 24 with the biggest factor being Montana's great play at QB versus Elway's crummy play at QB in that game.

Speaking of dweebs, look how Pioli handed out 41 million dollars in contracts to Asamoah and Tyson Jackson. I would have been livid if Dorsey would have paid those two guys that much. They aren't worth it. Walker will probably be an upgrade over Jackson and Asamoah got flatbacked more than any Guard I've ever seen play the game.

As for Donkeys fans staging a mutiny, like I said, they are too big of SHEEP to do that and will probably just go silent if Elways decisions backfire on them.

Connie Jo

03-15-2014, 02:42 PM

If I may, I'd like to try to inject just a touch of reason into all this sturm und drang.

I think Connie Jo's calling Elway's recent free agent signings foolish was perhaps a little over the top. In fact, Elway had no choice but to spent every dime he could scrape together on big name free agents. When the donks signed a $96 million contract with manning they made a simple statement. They said "The future is the next 5 years and the success or failure of those 5 years will only be measured by whether we win one or more Super Bowls." Well 2 seasons later, they have spent $38 million on manning and they haven't won a Super Bowl. So by the donks own measurement, the last 2 years have been a failure for them. A $38 million failure.

They have manning under contract for 3 more seasons. If they don't win a Super Bowl in those 3 years they will have essentially wasted $96 million. Manning isn't getting any younger so Elway had no choice but to "go all in" to try to get some free agents that could help them win a Super Bowl RIGHT DAMN NOW. With the lower end draft picks their record gets them they simply do not have the luxury of trying to draft and develop to fill their needs. Elway has no choice but to try to buy big name free agents to get them over the top and win a Super Bowl. And frankly, if he has to violate the salary cap to do it I am sure he will. Elway has sold the donkey's soul to the devil for a shot at a Super Bowl so he needs to move fast before the devil comes to collect his payment.

The donkeys are going to spend a good while rotting in the AFC West cellar as a result of what they have done. But that is OK with them SO LONG AS THEY WIN A SUPER BOWL with manning.

It's a gamble. Nothing more. Some people like that kind of gamble. Some don't.

I've heard (not in this thread) the manning signing compared to the Chiefs signing Joe Montana. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON! Adjusted for inflation and making it a 5 year contract instead of 3, Montana's contract was approx $43 million for 5 years. We got Montana for less than half what the donks paid for manning. And so far they have ABSOLUTELY no more return on investment than we got.

So.....did Elway do a smart thing signing manning or was it the stupidist move ever made by a GM? I dunno. Nobody knows yet. But having signed manning to the deal he did, Elway would have been a MORONIC CRETIN not to spend money like a drunken sailor on free agents. Elway took a huge gamble when he signed manning. Once you have made that gamble and been BLOWN OUT in a Super Bowl what choice do you have but to double down on your original bet????? There is no choice.

Me? I'm pretty happy with Reid/Dorsey. I expect the 2014 season to be a step down (record wise) from 2013 but I honestly think they are building a team that will dominate the AFC West for a decade or more.

Will that get us a Super Bowl? DUNNO. But I feel pretty confident it will get us more playing time and wins in January than we have seen in a long long time. And I am OK with that.

I agree with you, and your analysis was more or less my point for calling him "foolish". As I said in my post...Elway's desperately panicking with trying to build a "one year SB team" while he still has Manning, rather he's not concerned with building a team that can compete for years to come. He's not making choices using forethought of the future. In my opinion, it is foolish when you don't invest in your future well being & security, rather invest for immediate gratification. It would be in theory a similar risk to blowing your paycheck at a casino gambling, end up losing all the money, then can't pay your electric bill so it gets shut off. In my mind...such choices are foolish, not wise. The opposite of wise is fool, hence, he's "foolish", hahaha. ;)

First...I understand many fans impatience with wanting immediate results or instant gratification, considering 1970 was our last SB appearance, but also considering our ever growing impatient society of which a majority expects or demands instant gratification in most life aspects. They see Elway signing a couple big name FA's for $87 million and think they're wise signings that will bring immediate results, then freak out becoming upset because the Chiefs didn't do the same. They're presumptuously giving the donkey's the AFC West in 2014 as such. The point of my post was to give a different perspective of those moves by Elway. Short term wise?...maybe, if those aging injury players make it through 2014. Long term wise?...nope, absolutely "foolish".

Elway as you say, is desperately trying to win a SB before Manning retires. He's doing it for his own well known arrogant ego to make his mark as a SB winning GM, and also because he thinks that SB will carry him successfully as a GM in the minds of the fans & media for the next decade, while he tries to make up for spending literally millions to buy Manning & the donkey's a Lombardi. He's even more desperate now, because the way he's been trying to win that SB has failed the past two years, and he knows he's running on empty, running out of time. He's also more desperate because they made fools out of themselves with their humiliating SB loss to Seattle, which angered & embarrassed their fans, and he wants to redeem his credibility as a GM even more than he wants to win a SB. Elway has always been about himself first, and he always will be, that's just his nature of personality.

Some say they at least made it to a SB. Yep, they did, but I can honestly say knowing myself as well as I do...I would rather the Chiefs not make it to a SB than to make it and lose being humiliated and embarrassed, as well as be known for setting negative Super Bowl NFL historical records. I know how embarrassed & bad I felt when the Chiefs set a playoff record for it's loss to Indy. I would've rather we had never made the playoffs than to feel how I felt after that pathetic embarrassing record setting loss. I'm still not completely over the pain of that loss.

In my opinion, it is foolishly risky to continue spending all the money he has signing aging players with histories of being injury prone, simply with the hope of building a team that is capable of winning one season, or win one Super Bowl before Manning retires. He's been trying that approach for 2 years and failed. The Chiefs made the same mistake using the same theory when they signed Montana. It didn't get us a Lombardi, either. Maybe the third year of risking throwing good money after bad will be his Lombardi charm, but then what? I'll tell you what...he theoretically won't have the money to pay the donkey's electric bill. Was that short term joy worth it if he theoretically can't pay the donkey's electric bill for the next decade? I personally don't think so.

I'm not in favor of building an aging injury prone team that might win one SB before the QB retires. In my mind, sacrificing long term security & stability for instant gratification is foolish. I'm in favor of building a team as Dorsey & Reid are wisely doing, a young & healthy team built mostly through the draft that can compete consistently long term. I'm willing to sacrifice a couple years of not making it to a SB if that's what it takes to build a team that can compete each season for the next decade.

ctchiefsfan

03-15-2014, 04:19 PM

Thanks Connie Jo! You put it pretty damned well.

Justin5772002

03-15-2014, 05:18 PM

Maybe Elway is on his way out when manning exits, then such moves would be far from foolish.

brdempsey69

03-15-2014, 05:26 PM

Maybe Elway is on his way out when manning exits, then such moves would be far from foolish.

In other words, Elway leaves a big mess there in Denver for somebody else to have to try and clean up. It wouldn't surprise me and just shows everybody how much integrity Elway DOESN'T have.

Eydugstr

03-15-2014, 06:57 PM

Connie Jo - Like the crafty old carpenter, hit the nail on the head.

Lewis_Chiefs

03-15-2014, 09:43 PM

Someone linked me to this when I asked about their future cap situation:

http://www.getrealfootball.com/denver-broncos-playing-win-now-future/

brdempsey69

03-15-2014, 10:34 PM

Someone linked me to this when I asked about their future cap situation:

http://www.getrealfootball.com/denver-broncos-playing-win-now-future/

Interesting how the article says: "The players will receive all of their guaranteed money in 2014."

This smacks of the same type of scenario as this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28969-2004Sep17.html

Wonder what their lame excuse is going to be this time.

Eydugstr

03-16-2014, 12:19 AM

Someone linked me to this when I asked about their future cap situation:

http://www.getrealfootball.com/denver-broncos-playing-win-now-future/

Quoting from the article...

"As for the concern that these contracts are going to mortgage the future for the Broncos; nothing could be further from the truth. These deals are so well constructed that people should be throwing a party for Elway and salary cap guru, Mike Sullivan. Yes the numbers are big and on the surface it seems like the Broncos are going to be stuck for the next five years regardless of how the players perform. Without boring all of you to death with a lot of detail, let me try to explain why these contracts as so well done.
There is a lot of guaranteed money for all three of the players but unlike other teams, the guaranteed money is not spread out over the life of the contact. The players will receive all of their guaranteed money in 2014. That means after next season if something goes wrong with an injury, poor play or whatever then the Broncos can get out of the contract at anytime. In short, after 2014 the Broncos could cut anyone of these three players and not owe them a dime. There would be no dead money.
Dead money is a term that refers to money being paid to players who are no longer on the roster, and this happens when teams spread out the guaranteed money over the life of the contract. Once a player is cut, any guaranteed money not yet paid is accelerated into the year they are cut. That in a nutshell is why the Dallas Cowboys (http://www.dallascowboys.com/) are in salary cap purgatory. The easiest way to think about it is like this; when teams spread out the guaranteed money over the life of the contract, it’s a lot like using a credit card. Eventually there’s a big bill. The Broncos are paying cash as they go and currently are in no danger of getting one of those big bills.

I can only hope that the Player's Union is going over this with a fine toothed comb. Ditto for the league office.

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 02:22 AM

Eydugstr

03-16-2014, 02:28 AM

No it doesn't. 20 mil over right there, not including Peyton's cut.

matthewschiefs

03-16-2014, 02:41 AM

ctchiefsfan

03-16-2014, 08:50 AM

Eydugstr

03-16-2014, 09:53 AM

Sure it adds up and

I got a bridge to sell you in Brookly
Your checks in the mail
I have ocean front property in Arizona
These are not the droids you're looking for
No honey those pants don't make you look fat :biggrin: (of course i've never had to tell that one)

LMAO

Could probably sit here and think up some more, but why mess with a set of classics...

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 11:54 AM

That article was written by a complete moron who happens to be an elway and Mike Sullivan fan. Show me a team that pays all it's players their guaranteed money in the first year of the contract and I SWEAR I won't *** in your mouth. The author of that is as stupid as they get.

brdempsey.....I've never completely bought into the idea that the donks are complete crooks but this really is starting to smell like '97 & '98

Did you notice in 2012 that nobody was complaining about the Donkeys getting away with massive holding like in 2013? It's because the Donkeys weren't doing the holding gig in 2012 and were playing under the same rules as everybody else. Nobody disputed the Donkeys winning the AFC West on 2012, because they did win it fair and square.

But what happened in the 2012 post season? One and done for them. The problem started last year with with all the hype before the 2013 season about the Donkeys going to the SB and winning it. But, they lost Ryan Clady and has to go with the backup Clarke the entire season & did not have to play any real Defenses throughout the season, except perhaps the Chiefs in the game at Denver.

CJ's pic of Hali being held right in front of an official wasn't a one-time occurrence -- it was a regular occurrence all season long. After the SB, many Hawks fans posted on NFL.com that they saw at 6 holding infractions that occurred right in front of the refs that weren't called, and I saw every one of them via NFL Game Rewind. Plus, the Offensive PI that should have been called on D. Thomas when he blatantly grabbed Richard Sherman to prevent an INT. The Donkeys problem was the Hawks drilled them so badly in all phases of the game, that the refs couldn't help them.

I won't say the Donks have always been crooked. I don't believe they were from 1999 -- 2012, but of course, we saw what happened to Terrell Davis in 1999 when his O-Line was no longer allowed to get away with their illegal chop-blocks and holding tactics. Davis got the living hell beaten out of him and his career was essentially over. Here was his stats in 1999:

67 carries
211 yds
2 TD's

3.1
ypc through 4 games because defenders were now getting off Donkeys blockers and tackling Davis.

As for that statement made by that Donkeys fan named doobs_05 about being a 'homer', he couldn't be more wrong. Others can point to my posts in the past regarding the Chiefs having ZERO success drafting QB's since 1970, as well as the rotten post-season record of 3-13 since 1970, the handling of the Branden Albert situation, the 2010 draft which I was criticized right from the time those selections were made, pointing out that Eric Fisher needs to step up his game and play better ( and I loved the selection of Fisher and still do, but he must prove his worth on the field ) < -- that doesn't sound like homerism to me.

By contrast, CJ post pictorial proof of the blatant holding the Donks were getting away with on a regular basis in 2013 and did you notice doobs_05's stupid response of "all teams get away with holding", all the while failing to acknowledge the fact that other teams DON'T get away with blatant holding like that, they get flagged for it < -- that sounds like Donkeys homerism to me.

And regarding the article, it's typical of the Elway sheep to rip things out of context and justify anything he does. It shouldn't surprise anybody, because after all they're stupid enough to believe Elway was in the same QB class as Joe Montana, even though the rest of the world knows differently that saw the two of them play their entire careers.

ctchiefsfan

03-16-2014, 12:23 PM

brdempsey....

There really aren't any people out there that think elway was better than Montana? Can't be. Nobody is that stupid. elway was good. DAMN good. But simply not in the same class as Montana.

As to holding. It is true that all teams get away with holding. I think most O-linemen practice and get coached to learn how to hold without getting caught. But without a doubt the donks were WAY OVER THE TOP this past season. If it was any worse the donkey 0-line would have been carrying guns and shooting pass rushers. I'm not ready to say it was a conspiracy but if it happens against next year it will be very hard not to believe that something is not going on.

doobs_05

03-16-2014, 12:31 PM

Sorry, but in case anyone hasn't noticed, this is a Chiefs fans website, not a site for defending the Donkeys like he does continually with stupid & illogical posts time and again, even with substantiated evidence put right in front of his face. When he stops doing that, then I'll stop the attack. And I did tell him before not to post responses to me, but he chose to disregard that. So be it, but I suggest that he and other like him consider a statement that Ho Chi Minh made prior to the French-Indochina war when he told the French: "If you want to fight, then we will fight. For every 10 men of ours that you kill, we will kill one of yours, BUT IN THE END, YOU WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL TIRE OF IT".

You said you ignored me anyways, but I'm not going to take the approach of when denver does something "oh, just a terrible move, they cheated in the past, they messed up their franchise". I'm not going to look at it different ways. I have friends that are bronco fans (because when you grow up in montana, that's considered the "local team"), so when i talk to them, i'm not going to have a dumb conversation with them when they say "Denver signed so and so", i'm not going to respond with "hahahaha, you're team is so stupid, making dumb actions".

doobs_05

03-16-2014, 12:42 PM

http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/3/13/5502376/2014-denver-broncos-free-agency-breaking-down-the-big-name-contracts

Believe it if you want to or not (source is the SB Nation broncos page)

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Chiefs&Year=2014 also i don't know how legit this page is, but give it a shot if you have questions about the salary cap

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 01:51 PM

brdempsey....

There really aren't any people out there that think elway was better than Montana? Can't be. Nobody is that stupid. elway was good. DAMN good. But simply not in the same class as Montana.

Are you kidding? Those stupid Donkeys fans post everywhere around the web about how Elway was the best QB ever & they continually try to undermine Montana's achievements saying stupid things like "Montana was a system QB" and "SF would have won 7 or 8 SB's during the 80's". Talk about self-delusion. First off, Montana made the West-Coast system, not the other way around, and Montana didn't play in a West Coast offense in high school or college and yet, exhibited the same clutch touch in high school and college that he did in the NFL. All QB's play in a 'system' of some sort. Secondly, the 49ers would not have won any SB's if Elway was their QB in '80's, as Elway was absolutely horrific in the SB's that the Donks lost to the Giants, Redskins, and Niners, whereas Montana owned the SB when he played in it.

Here's something else to consider. Remember the Chiefs last playoff win in '93 against Houston in the Astrodome with Montana as the starting QB? Here's a logical question which I can provide a legit answer to. Does anybody really believe that if Elway were QBing the Chiefs in that game instead of Montana that the Chiefs would have won that game? ANSWER: No freaking way -- Elway always struggled playing in the Astrodome and I can't recall him and the Donks ever winning down there, whereas Montana's teams NEVER lost to Texas-based teams with Joe as the starting QB in college and in the NFL, EVER. And it's good thing for Dallas that they didn't have to face Montana and the Chiefs in the SB after the '93 season, as they most likely would have suffered the same fate as the Oilers.

Donkeys fans try to undermine Montana's acievements out of pure JEALOUSY because they know in their hearts and minds that he outperformed Elway in every facet of the game through their careers and was clearly the better QB all the way around the horn. They're still puked out about the beating they got Montana and the Niners in SB 24.

For many of us Chiefs fans, our all-time favorite QB is Len Dawson, but we can't pretend that Dawson was a better QB than Joe Montana, the way Donkeys fans do with Turd Elway. If you had a choice of those 3 QB's in their prime & could take one of them to put on your football team, you would have to go with Montana hands down. Honestly, I really don't believe I could give a real big edge to Elway over Dawson as a QB. Sure, Elway had a better arm and was a better athlete than Dawson, but that doesn't make him a better QB than Dawson or a better passer.

As to holding. It is true that all teams get away with holding. I think most O-linemen practice and get coached to learn how to hold without getting caught. But without a doubt the donks were WAY OVER THE TOP this past season. If it was any worse the donkey 0-line would have been carrying guns and shooting pass rushers. I'm not ready to say it was a conspiracy but if it happens against next year it will be very hard not to believe that something is not going on.

The point is that teams don't get away with it BLATANTLY in front of the officials like Denver does, they get flagged. That's what CJ was illustrating with the pic she posted and that totally negates any phony argument along the lines of "all teams get way with holding". BTW, I watched Eric Fisher closely on every one of his snaps in 2013 via NFL Game Rewind and I didn't see him holding opposing defenders on a repeated basis and getting away with it, as he seldom held anybody and got flagged for it when he did.

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 02:33 PM

You said you ignored me anyways, but I'm not going to take the approach of when denver does something "oh, just a terrible move, they cheated in the past, they messed up their franchise". I'm not going to look at it different ways. I have friends that are bronco fans (because when you grow up in montana, that's considered the "local team"), so when i talk to them, i'm not going to have a dumb conversation with them when they say "Denver signed so and so", i'm not going to respond with "hahahaha, you're team is so stupid, making dumb actions".

I had ignored you, but that's now changed & if the quote that you posted didn't make you aware of that, then you obviously have the brain of a demented duck.

Nobody here cares who's in your local area & what conversations you have with them or how you deal with Donkeys fans in your own sphere, as it has NOTHING to do with what we are posting here on this site regarding OUR grievances with the Donkeys which we have provided a whole slew of valid points repeatedly, and yet, you keep posting your stupid & illogical response & posting GIF's of Jennifer Lawrence and Micheal Jordan over and over, again like a Donkeys homer would generally do.

If your going to be dumb enough to come to a Chiefs fans site and defend the Donkeys, with nothing to really validate your arguments, then you better be smart enough to figure out that somebody is going to call you out.

doobs_05

03-16-2014, 03:45 PM

I had ignored you, but that's now changed & if the quote that you posted didn't make you aware of that, then you obviously have the brain of a demented duck.

Nobody here cares who's in your local area & what conversations you have with them or how you deal with Donkeys fans in your own sphere, as it has NOTHING to do with what we are posting here on this site regarding OUR grievances with the Donkeys which we have provided a whole slew of valid points repeatedly, and yet, you keep posting your stupid & illogical response & posting GIF's of Jennifer Lawrence and Micheal Jordan over and over, again like a Donkeys homer would generally do.

If your going to be dumb enough to come to a Chiefs fans site and defend the Donkeys, with nothing to really validate your arguments, then you better be smart enough to figure out that somebody is going to call you out.

Yeah i'm so dumb for stating what you said.

People said denver's move is foolish and dumb. I said it's what they think will help them and cover needs. But i'm sorry i'll join the circle jerk and trash the moves

"denver is so dumb with these signings. What do they think they'll get out of this. They barely beat KC and they think adding a CB who got injured in the playoffs last year, a DE who is on the wrong side of 30, and a saftey that played for the browns (lol), is going to top what WE are doing. No it won't, Dorsey and Reid are brining in a new generation of chiefs (i know i stated that the last time we got a new gm and head coach, bu this time i'm certain it will work). KC is going to dominate the AFC West, not next year but the following years to come because we have a Defense with a lot of pro bowlers, we didn't give up 17 points until after the bye week. Alex Smith has shown he can play (and i'm being really serious here, I ADMIT i did not like alex signing but he won me over) and he'll get in sync with bowe and they'll burn that secondary of Denver lol. Peyton will choke away everything and denver won't win anything again. The only reaosn they win is because the NFL helps them out. refs give them games all the time."

Is that better.

I'll keep coming, i'll keep making the same arguments for the rival teams until a mod thinks i'm bad for this thread and bans me. These signings are good right now. Until its proven wrong on the field, i'll keep saying these were good signings for them.

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 04:08 PM

Yeah i'm so dumb for stating what you said.

People said denver's move is foolish and dumb. I said it's what they think will help them and cover needs. But i'm sorry i'll join the circle jerk and trash the moves

"denver is so dumb with these signings. What do they think they'll get out of this. They barely beat KC and they think adding a CB who got injured in the playoffs last year, a DE who is on the wrong side of 30, and a saftey that played for the browns (lol), is going to top what WE are doing. No it won't, Dorsey and Reid are brining in a new generation of chiefs (i know i stated that the last time we got a new gm and head coach, bu this time i'm certain it will work). KC is going to dominate the AFC West, not next year but the following years to come because we have a Defense with a lot of pro bowlers, we didn't give up 17 points until after the bye week. Alex Smith has shown he can play (and i'm being really serious here, I ADMIT i did not like alex signing but he won me over) and he'll get in sync with bowe and they'll burn that secondary of Denver lol. Peyton will choke away everything and denver won't win anything again. The only reaosn they win is because the NFL helps them out. refs give them games all the time."

Is that better.

I'll keep coming, i'll keep making the same arguments for the rival teams until a mod thinks i'm bad for this thread and bans me. These signings are good right now. Until its proven wrong on the field, i'll keep saying these were good signings for them.

I didn't say for you to be a circle jerk or to rip anything completely out of context or make any further stupid and illogical statements. Nobody here cares if Denver thinks what they did was right for them & everybody is already aware of that anyways, Captain Obvious.

If you think those signings were good for them, go tell it the Donkeys fans on their site. CJ's analysis about the Donkeys foolishly handing out these big contracts to Ware and Talib, still stands and it was pointed out already that they didn't have to overspend like that for just two players & why they didn't have to, as well. But, of course, you are too big of an illiterate to read and fully comprehend that, aren't you?

doobs_05

03-16-2014, 05:00 PM

I didn't say for you to be a circle jerk or to rip anything completely out of context or make any further stupid and illogical statements. Nobody here cares if Denver thinks what they did was right for them & everybody is already aware of that anyways, Captain Obvious.

If you think those signings were good for them, go tell it the Donkeys fans on their site. CJ's analysis about the Donkeys foolishly handing out these big contracts to Ware and Talib, still stands and it was pointed out already that they didn't have to overspend like that for just two players & why they didn't have to, as well. But, of course, you are too big of an illiterate to read and fully comprehend that, aren't you?

i no can read

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 05:05 PM

i no can read

We know that already. :biggrin:

No reason to state the obvious.

Eydugstr

03-16-2014, 06:31 PM

I'll keep coming, i'll keep making the same arguments for the rival teams until a mod thinks i'm bad for this thread and bans me. These signings are good right now. Until its proven wrong on the field, i'll keep saying these were good signings for them.

Is that what a troll confession looks like? Figure out some little angle to tick everyone off, then run and hide behind the rules or the moderators?

If not, then I'm assuming your admiring the way the Broncos front office has conducted itself. Yeah, when you can sign free agents left and right without worrying about the cap, or always get the refs to look the other way, yes your team will consistently be successful. How 'bout them Broncos. Yep. Winners.

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 06:47 PM

Is that what a troll confession looks like? Figure out some little angle to tick everyone off, then run and hide behind the rules or the moderators?

If not, then I'm assuming your admiring the way the Broncos front office has conducted itself. Yeah, when you can sign free agents left and right without worrying about the cap, or always get the refs to look the other way, yes your team will consistently be successful. How 'bout them Broncos. Yep. Winners.

Yessiree, just like the Donkeys were outright SB champs from 1999 -- 2013. Oh wait......they didn't make it to the SB from 1999 -- 2012, and they weren't able to cheat their way to a 3rd SB trophy in 2013, like they had cheated their way to 2 SB trophies in '97 and '98, because this time, their opponent ( Seattle ) ripped their guts out and proved the Donkeys were frauds and pretenders, just like so many Donkeys fans had accused the Chiefs of being during the 2013 season.

Bike

03-16-2014, 09:01 PM

brdempsey69

03-16-2014, 09:27 PM

Some impressive arguments in this thread. But I see this topic pretty black and white. The Donks are building for tomorrow by attempting to buy a Superbowl. That didn't work out so good for Philli - and I don't think it will work for the Donks. The Chiefs are in a small market - and simply can't afford the millions for these high-priced free agents. We must build through the draft - relying more on superior management skills more than millions of dollars. That management is currently in place. In 1-2 years, the Donks will be a bloated team full of unmanageable, over-priced contracts and will be forced to rebuild. And still no Superbowl. The Chiefs, however, will be a hungry, young team building a DYNASTY under Reid and Dorsey. There is no doubt in my mind that this will happen. We must be a patient bunch here (45 years since last Superbowl?) lt's gonna take a couple years to undo the Edwards/Haley/Pioli fiasco. We're doing this right now. It will happen - and maybe not this season - but shortly thereafter. And how much more rewarding it will be for us as fans to win it all with superior management and determination rather than dollars. GO CHIEFS!

My thoughts exactly. The Chiefs are still a work in progress & they need a couple of seasons to get all the pieces in place. Specifically a couple more drafts under this regime that bring in a stable of good football players. The Chiefs O-Line is still a work in progress & the Defensive Front 7 is good, but not elite just yet and they could use some help in both those areas. Also need a couple more bonafide playemakers at WR, Kelce to stay healthy and develop at TE, and another good CB and Safety.

I like the players that were selected in the 2013 draft, but the problem was they all got bit by the injury bug at some point or another during the 2013 season, except C Eric Kush, and if they can all have better luck physically and all step up their game, they could make a huge impact in 2014.

Bike

03-16-2014, 09:56 PM

My thoughts exactly. The Chiefs are still a work in progress & they need a couple of seasons to get all the pieces in place. Specifically a couple more drafts under this regime that bring in a stable of good football players. The Chiefs O-Line is still a work in progress & the Defensive Front 7 is good, but not elite just yet and they could use some help in both those areas. Also need a couple more bonafide playemakers at WR, Kelce to stay healthy and develop at TE, and another good CB and Safety.

I like the players that were selected in the 2013 draft, but the problem was they all got bit by the injury bug at some point or another during the 2013 season, except C Eric Kush, and if they can all have better luck physically and all step up their game, they could make a huge impact in 2014.
I think Cooper can be coached up. With a year behind him, I think he'll do nicely opposite Flowers. We might be more concerned about Flowers - who is getting up there in age and may have lost a step. With Abdullah being resigned, I have to wonder if he won't be used as a free safety opposite Berry - as I have heard that Berry won't be moved to FS. I believe TJ's replacement has just been signed - so I believe the draft will be primarily offense - as it should be - at least this year. WR is a pressing need, as is OL.

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 02:41 PM

Bottom line is I'm not going to go along with the other Chiefs fans who are up in arms over the Donkeys FA signings and start pushing panic buttons. Why you ask ? Because of of who the Donkeys have at QB. That's right, you read that correctly, because of Manning. Two years in a row Manning has piled up big numbers in the regular season and then in the post-season dropped a big pile in the back of his shorts.

Okay, so Manning is 2-2 in the post-season with the Donkeys and Alex Smith is 0-1 with the Chiefs. In which of Mannings 4 post-season games with the Donks did he surpass Alex's post-season performance with the Chiefs ( and let's not forget Alex's performance with the Niners in 2011 against NO )? Well...er...um....duh.....that's right, ZERO.

What I'm failing to understand is why people think that just because the Donkeys were big spenders in FA that it automatically makes them AFC champs all over again in 2014 like all the other teams in the AFC are just going to roll over on their backs and die. Not going to happen. NE and Indy are still very much real threats to keep the Donkeys from getting back to the SB. Add to that, the Donkeys won't have as easy a schedule as what they had in 2012 or 2013 and although they are favored to win the AFC West , they may not get home-field advantage like they had in 2012 and 2014.

So looking at the bigger overall picture, with all these FA signings by the Donkeys, they've put themselves in a position where anything short of a SB victory in 2014 ( and we all know the Donkeys have never won a SB outright in their history ) makes all these signings a major failure. Add to that, they won't get any compensatory picks in the 2015, whereas the Chiefs might wind up getting 4 compensatory picks in the 2015 draft ( 4 is the max any team can get ). In 2015, the Donkeys will not be getting better as a result of these FA signings, whereas the Chiefs may have as many as 10 or 11 draft picks and really have tremendous opportunity to bolster the Chiefs roster.

There's an old saying -- "appearances can be deceiving". The majority of people are being deceived by the amount of dollars that Turd Elway threw at these FA's and think that makes them SB favorites for 2014. What they aren't looking at is the fact that none of these FA's that they signed would have been difference makers for them in the SB against Seattle. Ware is just an expensive marginal upgrade over Shaun Phillips, Talib is just an expensive replacement for DRC, not an upgrade. Sanders is a replacement for Eric Decker, but not an upgrade. The only upgrade that I can see is TJ Ward at Safety and he's had his struggles in pass coverage & he wasn't that big of a difference make in the Browns game against the Chiefs last season.

The main point is & the obvious questions are, where are the major upgrades at from all this money that the Donkeys spent in FA to help them cope with teams like Seattle and other NFC West teams they are going to have to play in 2014, plus road games in NE and Cincy & how do all these signing guarantee that the Donks will finish with the best record in the AFC and make it back to the SB? THEY DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 04:17 PM

If anyone is really wondering how Denver has all this money to spend, a guy at www.reddit.com/r/NFL (http://www.reddit.com/r/NFL) has a nice write up

I've been seeing a lot of threads and comments asking about how the Broncos have so much cap as well as a lot of comments accusing us of selling out our future to win now. So I put together a FAQ to clear up these questions. If I've got anything wrong or you have another question reply below or PM me and I'll check it out.

How do the Broncos have so much cap space?
The Broncos had roughly $17 Million in cap space heading out of last season which was due to a large number of players they let walk this offseason, big cap hits being Woodyard ($3.25m), DRC ($2.9m), Ayers ($2.2m), Moreno ($3.3m), Lenon and Decker (Both $1.5m) and a few others at around the $1m mark.*

Then on top of this cutting Champ Bailey and Chris Kuper retiring freeing up $15 million between them.
This left the Broncos with $32 Million in cap space for this free agency.
* Note the above numbers are the players 2013 cap hits so there might still be dead money for some this year, the $17 Million is what the team had available after taking dead money and such like into account.

So the Broncos are nearly done this free agency right?
The Broncos currently have two back up TE’s, Dreessen and Tamme, who are currently eating up $5.5m total of cap space with only $1.1m of potential dead money. Expect these guys to be cut if the team decides to grab someone else this free agency.

Surely the Broncos are selling out the future to win now? There’s no way they can re-sign any of their big names up next year.
The Broncos next year have a lot of big names needing re-signed. At a quick glance that is Demaryius Thomas, Von Miller, Terrance Knighton, Julius Thomas, Rahim Moore, Wes Welker, Orlando Franklin, and Kevin Vickerson. Now not all of these are must signs and not necessarily everyone will be re-signed.
Out of them expect only D. Thomas and Knighton to be getting big contracts. Julius Thomas broke out this year and will be expected to do well in 2014 and this will most likely help him get a good but probably not a huge contract. Moore, Franklin and Vickerson will also most likely get good contracts but don’t have quite the impact to demand a huge contract, they are also the players the Broncos probably let walk if they think they can get bigger contracts from others. Wes Welker with his age and history of concussions is generally expected to retire but might stay around on a cheaper 'I love football' contract. Von Miller has a 5th year option meaning he will be costing roughly between $8-9 million which is only a small pay rise over his current contract.

Now all those contracts above are going to combine to be a hefty chunk of change so how do the Broncos afford these especially after the big name signings this Free Agency.
Firstly before any signings this FA the total money the Broncos had locked up next offseason was $61 Million leaving them with $72 Million free cap space. The new signings this FA hit the cap as so Talib - $7m, Ward - $7.75m and Ware $8.6m. Leaving the Broncos with $48.65 million in cap space to re-sign all the players they need to. This is also before any increase to the cap space that might happen.
On top of this Manning is going to retire soon he has 1 maybe 2 seasons left to play and when he retires he instantly clears up $20 million in cap space and will be, as it currently stands, replaced by Brock Osweiler who will be either still on his rookie contract or signing a fairly low contract as he will be yet to prove himself.

This means that if Manning retires after the 2014 season the Broncos are currently going into the next offseason with $68 Million cap space, more than double what they entered with this year and after Talib, Ware and Ward are accounted for. And if Manning doesn’t retire this year he will retire the year after meaning the team can load contracts quite heavily towards that year.

How is it possible that the Broncos keep having so much cap space?Very simply it’s a combination of rookie contracts, 1 year contracts we can drop with no dead money and most importantly while a lot of teams backload contracts or split the dead money across the whole contract via signing bonuses the Broncos frontload their contracts when they have cap space and stay away from signing bonuses, instead preferring roster bonuses which are only guaranteed provided the player starts the season on the roster. This is roughly the difference between saving your money before spending vs buying things now on credit and trying to play catch up with the payments.

Sources:
Fitzgerald,J; Korte,N. (2014). Denver Broncos 2014 Salary Cap. Available: http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Broncos&Year=2014. Last accessed 17/3/2014. Fitzgerald,J; Korte,N. (2014). Denver Broncos 2015 Salary Cap. Available: http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Broncos&Year=2015. Last accessed 17/3/2014. Fitzgerald,J; Korte,N. (2014). Denver Broncos Free Agents. Available: http://overthecap.com/futurefreeagents.php?Team=Broncos. Last accessed 17/3/2014. Lee,D. (2014). A crude guesstimate on Denver’s current cap space.Available: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/a-crude-guesstimate-on-denvers-current-cap-space. Last accessed 17/3/2014.
edit: Had Champ Bailey as retiring when he was cut.
Quick further note on sources the www.itsalloverfatman.com (http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/) article is a great summary of this and next seasons situations but it's estimates on how the Ward, Talib and Ware contracts breakdown are exactly that estimates and are solely a product of that article being written before the information was released. Note the article is titled A crude guesstimate on Denver’s current cap space for a reason.
All cap numbers came from Over the Cap which does it's best to be as accurate as possible. Jason Fitzgerald talks about the accuracy of the data a bit here http://overthecap.com/sample-page/.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/20mp0x/a_broncos_cap_faq/

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 04:43 PM

If anyone is really wondering how Denver has all this money to spend, a guy at www.reddit.com/r/NFL (http://www.reddit.com/r/NFL) has a nice write up

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/20mp0x/a_broncos_cap_faq/

Well, we are all real over-f***ing-whelmed by those details regarding the Donkeys cap space management. So what?

My analysis in my previous post in this thread still stands & points out that all that money thrown out by Donkeys in FA doesn't mean SQUAT.

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 06:15 PM

Eydugstr,

If that guaranteed money is all being paid in 2014 as that article suggests & the Donkeys were 30 mill under the cap headed into FA as has been said, then let's do some simple math. Here's the guaranteed payments to the following players:

Ward 14 mill guaranteed
Ware 20 mill guaranteed
Talib 26 mill guaranteed

Doesn't quite add up, now does it?

No it doesn't. 20 mil over right there, not including Peyton's cut.

That article was written by a complete moron who happens to be an elway and Mike Sullivan fan. Show me a team that pays all it's players their guaranteed money in the first year of the contract and I SWEAR I won't *** in your mouth. The author of that is as stupid as they get.

brdempsey.....I've never completely bought into the idea that the donks are complete crooks but this really is starting to smell like '97 & '98

Well, we are all real over-f***ing-whelmed by those details regarding the Donkeys cap space management. So what?

My analysis in my previous post in this thread still stands & points out that all that money thrown out by Donkeys in FA doesn't mean SQUAT.

Some people were wondering (including myself).....sorry

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 07:04 PM

Some people were wondering (including myself).....sorry

We are also wondering BUT, we can't take that report you posted for fact. The Donkeys have already been guilty of salary cap violations before, that they got fined for and lost draft picks, so therefore, many of us know better than to trust anything coming their camp or take it for fact. The same two culprits that were involved back in '96 through '98 are the same two involved today -- Elway and Bowlen.

Look carefully at the 1st sentence of that article:

I've been seeing a lot of threads and comments asking about how the Broncos have so much cap as well as a lot of comments accusing us of selling out our future to win now

The word 'us' in that sentence refers to the Donkeys camp. This is the same camp that is quite well known for urinating on their own heads and telling themselves it's raining and thinking they can do the same thing to everybody else outside of their camp. A classic example is they're continued self-delusional statements about Elway being "the greatest QB that ever played" & when confronted about what happened when Elway went head to head against Montana in SB 24, you should see the copouts and lame excuses that they come up with, all due to their lack of integrity and stubborn refusal to admit that not only was Montana the better QB that day, but career-wise as well all the way around the horn. By contrast, looking at the very 1st SB, Bart Starr was the better QB that day than Len Dawson ( although Lenny played pretty well for the most part, but the INT he threw was very costly ).

In light of that, you tell me, how are any of us Chiefs fans here supposed to trust anything posted by members of the Donkeys camp?

And whether or not they are adhering to the cap is probably going to prove irrelevant as I outlined in post #62 of this thread.

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 08:08 PM

We are also wondering BUT, we can't take that report you posted for fact. The Donkeys have already been guilty of salary cap violations before, that they got fined for and lost draft picks, so therefore, many of us know better than to trust anything coming their camp or take it for fact. The same two culprits that were involved back in '96 through '98 are the same two involved today -- Elway and Bowlen.

Look carefully at the 1st sentence of that article:

The word 'us' in that sentence refers to the Donkeys camp. This is the same camp that is quite well known for urinating on their own heads and telling themselves it's raining and thinking they can do the same thing to everybody else outside of their camp. A classic example is they're continued self-delusional statements about Elway being "the greatest QB that ever played" & when confronted about what happened when Elway went head to head against Montana in SB 24, you should see the copouts and lame excuses that they come up with, all due to their lack of integrity and stubborn refusal to admit that not only was Montana the better QB that day, but career-wise as well all the way around the horn. By contrast, looking at the very 1st SB, Bart Starr was the better QB that day than Len Dawson ( although Lenny played pretty well for the most part, but the INT he threw was very costly ).

Because every bronco fan you've met and chatted with is every bronco fan in the world

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 08:25 PM

Because every bronco fan you've met and chatted with is every bronco fan in the world

HA! HA! Nice try, but you fail. I've met in person & debated against on the web, scores of them over many years & they all sing the same song and every one of them has came with the same "urinate on our own heads and tell ourselves it's raining" type of mentality -- even as you are seemingly doing right now.

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 08:27 PM

HA! HA! Nice try, but you fail. I've met in person & conversed against on the web scores of them over many years & they all sing the same song and every one of them comes with same "urinate on our own heads and tell ourselves it's raining" type of mentality -- even as you are seeming doing right now.

So you met every bronco fan alive. COLOR ME IMPRESSED!

I wonder if everyone thinks chiefs fans will boo an injury?

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 08:31 PM

damn you edit post thing

"cheer an injury"

Eydugstr

03-17-2014, 08:53 PM

Because every bronco fan you've met and chatted with is every bronco fan in the world

So you met every bronco fan alive. COLOR ME IMPRESSED!

I wonder if everyone thinks chiefs fans will boo an injury?

Doobs....Anybody is going to question a report that uses a website named "www.It'salloverfatman.com" as a material source.

If the Broncos way of handling it's front office affairs is so great, Why isn't anybody typing the words "dynasty" and "Denver Broncos" together? I've read those words put together with Seattle.

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 09:02 PM

Eydugstr

03-17-2014, 09:40 PM

Nobody is saying they're going to start a dynasty, they're going for 1 sb with manning at the helm, they have 3 years (tops) left (injuries could happen and end that). They're building for the now. When Peyton leaves, they'll build for tomorrow. Never once have I said this is a move that'll help them for years to come.

More like "gambling" instead of building. And yes, it was YOU that drug up the article in the first place, which read...

"This means that if Manning retires after the 2014 season the Broncos are currently going into the next offseason with $68 Million cap space, more than double what they entered with this year and after Talib, Ware and Ward are accounted for. And if Manning doesn’t retire this year he will retire the year after meaning the team can load contracts quite heavily towards that year."

Which was written via "Crude guesstimate" on a Broncos loving website. If you yourself didn't have faith in it, then why post it? If I posted it, I'd fully expect to get criticized from every angle.

doobs_05

03-17-2014, 09:49 PM

More like "gambling" instead of building. And yes, it was YOU that drug up the article in the first place, which read...

"This means that if Manning retires after the 2014 season the Broncos are currently going into the next offseason with $68 Million cap space, more than double what they entered with this year and after Talib, Ware and Ward are accounted for. And if Manning doesn’t retire this year he will retire the year after meaning the team can load contracts quite heavily towards that year."

Which was written via "Crude guesstimate" on a Broncos loving website. If you yourself didn't have faith in it, then why post it? If I posted it, I'd fully expect to get criticized from every angle.

Yeah i drug the article up for the cap space, not to prove a dynasty was happening. The reddit community gave positive feedback on it. You can question it (I don't fault you on that) it can be taken as an idea of what is going on, but i also posted other things that showed the cap (overthecap and the SBNation Broncos page, but then again, you'll put that one down to because "broncos blog")

so again, i never said that they were building a dynasty or said they were going to be fine in the future

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 10:21 PM

So you met every bronco fan alive. COLOR ME IMPRESSED!

Nice try at ripping things out of context, but my exact words were "scores of them", not meaning every Donkeys fan alive, but a pretty good multitude numbering in the upper hundreds over the time span of nearly three decades. And color yourself STUPID for not being able figure that out that "scores of them" doesn't define "every one of them".

brdempsey69

03-17-2014, 10:42 PM

I wonder if everyone thinks chiefs fans will cheer an injury?

If by that you mean Manning getting KO'd, when the type of concessions are being made for his sake, that we've seen pictorial evidence of like CJ posted of the blatant holding not being called and those illegal pick plays -- all of which started last year -- then he deserves to get KO'd, just like Terrell Davis did in '99 after being the benefactor of his O-Line getting away with massive holding and illegal chop-blocks and leg whips that allowed him to rack up massive rushing numbers in '96 -- 98. In each case, if they can't play under the same rules as everybody else, then they shouldn't be on the playing field to begin with.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 12:40 AM

Nice try at ripping things out of context, but my exact words were "scores of them", not meaning every Donkeys fan alive, but a pretty good multitude numbering in the upper hundreds over the time span of nearly three decades. And color yourself STUPID for not being able figure that out that "scores of them" doesn't define "every one of them".

so 100 out of what, maybe 100,000, maybe more? .1% of the fans, nice

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 12:41 AM

If by that you mean Manning getting KO'd, when the type of concessions are being made for his sake, that we've seen pictorial evidence of like CJ posted of the blatant holding not being called and those illegal pick plays -- all of which started last year -- then he deserves to get KO'd, just like Terrell Davis did in '99 after being the benefactor of his O-Line getting away with massive holding and illegal chop-blocks and leg whips that allowed him to rack up massive rushing numbers in '96 -- 98. In each case, if they can't play under the same rules as everybody else, then they shouldn't be on the playing field to begin with.

Bravo being happy that a human being got injured or gets injured, such a great fan.

You do realize this isn't a life or death thing, it's just a game. Not something you say "he deserves to get KO'd for playing game"

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 01:25 AM

so 100 out of what, maybe 100,000, maybe more? .1% of the fans, nice

Who are these other 99,900 that you speak of & I suppose you met them all and can vouch for all them and can truthfully testify that they don't possess the same thought process of "urinating on their own heads & telling themselves it's raining", as the other 100 do, right? WRONG !!

Bravo being happy that a human being got injured or gets injured, such a great fan.

You do realize this isn't a life or death thing, it's just a game. Not something you say "he deserves to get KO'd for playing game"

Classic illustration of the pot calling the kettle black. You try telling somebody else "it's just a game" & yet when it's pointed out regarding the Donkeys getting away with rules infractions & what really transpired in '97 and '98 regarding them being give 2 SB trophies, you defend it tooth, fang, and claw with the same lame excuses & phony arguments as every other Donkeys fan I've ever heard or seen post on the web. Must be more than "just a game" then to you and them if you have to resort to that.

And why do you persist in ripping things out of context by saying stupid things like "he deserves to get KO'd for playing game"? That's not what was said. What was said was them getting what they deserved because of the illegal rules infractions they were getting away with, and I might add that in '98 one of these chop-blocks resulted in Dallas DT Chad Hennings getting injured on a play that same chop-block sprung Davis for a long TD run, and yet no flag was thrown. Same thing in AFC Championship game with that illegal pick play by Welker on Talib that KO'd Talib from the game, and yet no flag thrown, but they threw one on a Patriots TE that barely grazed a Donkeys defender with no injury occurring. Even former Chiefs WR Steve Breaston commented that the rules weren't being enforced equally in that regard. If players on other teams are getting hurt as result of blatant rules infractions by the Donkeys, then why should anybody outside the Donkeys camp get all sentimental about any Donkeys players getting hurt?

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 03:40 AM

BTW, here is the best picture of Elway that I've ever seen:

727

Does kind of epitomize all that Elway stands for, now doesn't it?

Eydugstr

03-18-2014, 09:15 AM

Yeah i drug the article up for the cap space, not to prove a dynasty was happening. The reddit community gave positive feedback on it. You can question it (I don't fault you on that) it can be taken as an idea of what is going on, but i also posted other things that showed the cap (overthecap and the SBNation Broncos page, but then again, you'll put that one down to because "broncos blog")

so again, i never said that they were building a dynasty or said they were going to be fine in the future

The article YOU posted is right there explaining why they'll be fine in the future.

It's pretty obvious you're a Broncos fan. Why are you hooked up with a Chiefs fan site?

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 10:37 AM

The article YOU posted is right there explaining why they'll be fine in the future.

It's pretty obvious you're a Broncos fan. Why are you hooked up with a Chiefs fan site?

And right there he tripped over his own tongue and contradicted himself.

It's goes back to what I pointed out about how he defends the Donkeys tooth, fang, and claw if anything is said against the Donkeys on this -- a Chiefs fans site. Is he really dumb enough to think long-time Chiefs fans are going to post anything positive about the Donkeys given what's gone down in the past and the pictorial evidence to back it up?

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 12:12 PM

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 12:37 PM

The article YOU posted is right there explaining why they'll be fine in the future.

It's pretty obvious you're a Broncos fan. Why are you hooked up with a Chiefs fan site?

Been here since 2008, yep totally came out right now, my plan has camefull circle, good try tho.

Yeah it says they'll be fine but doesnt say anything about how they'll go and win super bowls afterwards, nice try.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 12:44 PM

When did it become the thing to do just say that someone you might disagree with is a Denver fan.

Doobs has been here for years and hasn't been accused of being a Denver fan. Come on guys you don't have to agree with him but just calling him a Denver fan is just crazy.

Doobs might like the moves that Denver has made this year that doesn't make him a Denver fan. I like the move that the Ravens made in bringing in Steve Smith to help there WR core. That doesn't make me a Ravens fan.

I don't agree with Doobs all the time but come on lets not just start calling someone you disagree with a denver fan or anything else. It's silly.

Thank you!

Are the players old, yes. Have they been injured before, yes. But denver needed secondary help with Bailey gone (even tho he lost his ability 2 years ago) and DRC not re-signing. Talib was the next best thing on the market, and probably in their eyes, they were taking him away from NE, but NE has made 2 GREAT SIGNINGS (now i'm a pats fan) in Browner and Revis. Ware, last season, was the first time he had less than 10 sacks in 7 years, but that whole defense was just god awful (and i think ware went from LB to DE). NE has the edge right now, but we won't see til the season plays out.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 12:49 PM

BTW, here is the best picture of Elway that I've ever seen:

727

Does kind of epitomize all that Elway stands for, now doesn't it?

not even close

http://tacticalip.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/elway_horseface.png

there we go

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 12:54 PM

Thank you!

Are the players old, yes. Have they been injured before, yes. But denver needed secondary help with Bailey gone (even tho he lost his ability 2 years ago) and DRC not re-signing. Talib was the next best thing on the market, and probably in their eyes, they were taking him away from NE, but NE has made 2 GREAT SIGNINGS (now i'm a pats fan) in Browner and Revis. Ware, last season, was the first time he had less than 10 sacks in 7 years, but that whole defense was just god awful (and i think ware went from LB to DE). NE has the edge right now, but we won't see til the season plays out.

The loss of Bailey and DRC is why I think Denvers offseason is overrated. It's not like they didn't lose anything. They replaced two good Cbs with 2 good Cbs. Then they added Ware. Ware was part of what was a bad defense last year and didn't help them much why should I think he's a sure thing to help Denver's d? Could the moves work out Sure. But this talk that they have already wrapped up anther SB season is just way to early. These "dream teams" have proven not to work out so good. There is no reason to think they have already wrapped up the AFC like we are hereing now.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 01:02 PM

The loss of Bailey and DRC is why I think Denvers offseason is overrated. It's not like they didn't lose anything. They replaced two good Cbs with 2 good Cbs. Then they added Ware. Ware was part of what was a bad defense last year and didn't help them much why should I think he's a sure thing to help Denver's d? Could the moves work out Sure. But this talk that they have already wrapped up anther SB season is just way to early. These "dream teams" have proven not to work out so good. There is no reason to think they have already wrapped up the AFC like we are hereing now.

They don't have it wrapped up, NE has the better team, IF they can get some more WR help, then it's the smart team to pick to win the afc. Maybe Indy can finally take that next step and be up there. Baltimore needs a better run game next season to finally get up there, IF steve smith can produce like he did in the past with the Panthers, that would take pressure off Ray(that's if he plays after those videos surfaced) and can get back to form. KC has that defense to address and the o-line will be a wait and see what happens. SD is just too...inconsistent. They beat great team but play down to terrible teams. Cincy with Andy Dalton is going no where, but maybe he'll prove his doubters wrong finally.

I think (as of right now, with no draft and not seeing teams on the field, it's either NE or Den who take the AFC, who ever gets homefiled has it, but that can change with the draft and after the 4 preseason games.

But as always, wait and see til the season starts

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 01:30 PM

When did it become the thing to do just say that someone you might disagree with is a Denver fan.

Doobs has been here for years and hasn't been accused of being a Denver fan. Come on guys you don't have to agree with him but just calling him a Denver fan is just crazy.

Doobs might like the moves that Denver has made this year that doesn't make him a Denver fan. I like the move that the Ravens made in bringing in Steve Smith to help there WR core. That doesn't make me a Ravens fan.

I don't agree with Doobs all the time but come on lets not just start calling someone you disagree with a denver fan or anything else. It's silly.

Because when anybody calls Denver out on something, he defends them tooth, fang, and claw in the very same fashion Donkeys fans do, that's why.

Notice all the stupid .gif images that he's posted repeatedly, when some of us have discussed how the Donkeys SB's in '97 and '98 were tainted. Or his retarded comments like "all teams get away with holding", when the pictorial evidence was put right in front of his ugly face showing the type of choke-holding right in front of the official that none of the other 31 teams get away with, except the Donkeys. Only a Donkeys fan would defend that in that manner & if he's not a Donkeys fan, then what's the purpose of him defending that which is really can't be defended with anything other than stupid statements & phony arguments and nothing valid?

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 02:40 PM

Because when anybody calls Denver out on something, he defends them tooth, fang, and claw in the very same fashion Donkeys fans do, that's why.

Notice all the stupid .gif images that he's posted repeatedly, when some of us have discussed how the Donkeys SB's in '97 and '98 were tainted. Or his retarded comments like "all teams get away with holding", when the pictorial evidence was put right in front of his ugly face showing the type of choke-holding right in front of the official that none of the other 31 teams get away with, except the Donkeys. Only a Donkeys fan would defend that in that manner & if he's not a Donkeys fan, then what's the purpose of him defending that which is really can't be defended with anything other than stupid statements & phony arguments and nothing valid?

I just think it's dumb to keep being mad about 98, if anything be mad that Tony G's TD was not called. I bet there is so is a ton of cheating in the NFL that doesn't come out. It's a business, whoever brings in the most the most money will get the calls.

Be mad at the NFL, not a team.

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 03:52 PM

I just think it's dumb to keep being mad about 98, if anything be mad that Tony G's TD was not called. I bet there is so is a ton of cheating in the NFL that doesn't come out. It's a business, whoever brings in the most the most money will get the calls.

Be mad at the NFL, not a team.

Not with everything that went on at that time, although you do make a good point about Tony G's TD not being called, but there was a whole lot more that went down both those years.

And it is the team, in this case the Donkeys, to be blamed first and foremost, and the league 2nd for going along with it & the truth should be continually exposed. Nowadays, because of the the Donkeys being given those 2 SB's, we hear and see stupid stuff posted all over the web like "Elway is the best QB to ever play", as though Elway being given a going-away present automatically rewrites history & catapults Elway to "best ever", which is a total crock of BS.

You say "it's dumb to keep being mad about 98", but the reality is, there's nothing dumb at all about exposing the truth and setting record straight -- IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO -- regardless of whether you want to believe it or not.

You also say "I bet there is so is a ton of cheating in the NFL that doesn't come out", but that doesn't make it right for any team to get away with obvious cheating that every eye can see, while the officials on the field blatantly ignore it. I saw multiple posts by Seahawks fans after their SB win on NFL.com pointing out that the Donkeys should have called for at least 6 more holding calls than what they were & when you consider the Hawks won in dominating fashion and yet are pointing this out, then something isn't right. You tell me, are the Hawks fans whining or simply telling it like it is?

Mongo

03-18-2014, 04:07 PM

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 04:31 PM

Not with everything that went on at that time, although you do make a good point about Tony G's TD not being called, but there was a whole lot more that went down both those years.

And it is the team, in this case the Donkeys, to be blamed first and foremost, and the league 2nd for going along with it & the truth should be continually exposed. Nowadays, because of the the Donkeys being given those 2 SB's, we hear and see stupid stuff posted all over the web like "Elway is the best QB to ever play", as though Elway being given a going-away present automatically rewrites history & catapults Elway to "best ever", which is a total crock of BS.

You say "it's dumb to keep being mad about 98", but the reality is, there's nothing dumb at all about exposing the truth and setting record straight -- IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO -- regardless of whether you want to believe it or not.

You also say "I bet there is so is a ton of cheating in the NFL that doesn't come out", but that doesn't make it right for any team to get away with obvious cheating that every eye can see, while the officials on the field blatantly ignore it. I saw multiple posts by Seahawks fans after their SB win on NFL.com pointing out that the Donkeys should have called for at least 6 more holding calls than what they were & when you consider the Hawks won in dominating fashion and yet are pointing this out, then something isn't right. You tell me, are the Hawks fans whining or simply telling it like it is?

They could be whining, they could be right. I remember it was the norm here after every game "did you see Hali get held on that play" (except when he went against Jake Long (miami, now STL) and Joe Thompson (Cleveland) dudes just outworked him). I hear it a the bar from every fan "THAT WAS A HOLD AND THEY DON'T CALL IT!". You have to realize, you have the ability (maybe if you have tivo or whatever) to pause, rewind and check to see (and if you recorded the game it's way easier), you have a sort of birds eye view on the field. I've never reffed a game so i have no clue how hard it is to look at the whole line and make sure everything is in order. The holding calls will never be 100% called, ever, if they were, games would be boring and NFL would lose revenue. It will never change, top QB (Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and soon to be, if they keep it up, Wilson, Kaep, and Luck) will get the calls. Offense and high scoring = $$$$$$$$$$, defense and low scoring = $$

Every NFL board i've ever been on, it is a very low percent that called Elway the best (Elway was the best bronco QB ever), I always see him in the top 10, sometimes top 5. Even the broncos fans here (hometown) are not that dumb to say that, they witnessed Montana rip their team apart. But again, it's how you rank the QB, is rings the number one thing, are stats, is it the team he had surrounding him?

The only time i have ever thought in sports a team got really REALLY cheated out of a title shot (because if KC won, they still needed to play 2 more games, right? Jets and Falcons? or am i thinking another year, and hell maybe Minnesota beats ATL. That Minnesota team was so good.) ...got off track for a sec., Sac. Kings losing to the Lakers in game 6 of the WCF.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 04:34 PM

New to the thread. New to the forum. I think Elway is doing exactly as he should. His team is in an entirely different state than our Chiefs. He needs to improve his defense and has done so, on paper, that is. He has a two year window to get this done before starting over. And he had cap room KC did not.

KC did not win an AFC Championship. We are not a player or two away. This thing is just getting started here. There's no sense throwing caution to the wind.

I really don't worry about what DEN or some other team does.

Welcome, and you're right. Chiefs need more to get to that next step, maybe this draft class will step up day 1 and launch them to the next phase. Have to wait til the season starts to get a real feel of what is going to happen

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 05:03 PM

They could be whining, they could be right. I remember it was the norm here after every game "did you see Hali get held on that play" (except when he went against Jake Long (miami, now STL) and Joe Thompson (Cleveland) dudes just outworked him). I hear it a the bar from every fan "THAT WAS A HOLD AND THEY DON'T CALL IT!". You have to realize, you have the ability (maybe if you have tivo or whatever) to pause, rewind and check to see (and if you recorded the game it's way easier), you have a sort of birds eye view on the field. I've never reffed a game so i have no clue how hard it is to look at the whole line and make sure everything is in order. The holding calls will never be 100% called, ever, if they were, games would be boring and NFL would lose revenue. It will never change, top QB (Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and soon to be, if they keep it up, Wilson, Kaep, and Luck) will get the calls. Offense and high scoring = $$$$$$$$$$, defense and low scoring = $$
.

Could be? You aching Aunt Fannie! Common sense should tell you that if it's being pointed out by Hawks fans, even with the Hawks winning by dominating from start to finish, then they are telling the truth. How could you possibly have that sail over your head?

As for having the ability to have tivo, replay, etc. go look again at the pic CJ posted & you will clearly see the damn ref doesn't need that & it is easy to see that the blatant holding is happening right in front of his face at point-blank range & you keep ignoring the fact that if that's any other 31 teams doing that, then that ref is going to throw the flag & why you continually sidestep that by saying things like "holding calls will never be 100%", is what I'm failing to understand. Everybody and their brother is aware that holding calls are going to be seen 100% by the officials.

And Elway is not the best Bronco QB ever. He forfeited that title when he brought Manning on board.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 06:18 PM

Could be? You aching Aunt Fannie! Common sense should tell you that if it's being pointed out by Hawks fans, even with the Hawks winning by dominating from start to finish, then they are telling the truth. How could you possibly have that sail over your head?

As for having the ability to have tivo, replay, etc. go look again at the pic CJ posted & you will clearly see the damn ref doesn't need that & it is easy to see that the blatant holding is happening right in front of his face at point-blank range & you keep ignoring the fact that if that's any other 31 teams doing that, then that ref is going to throw the flag & why you continually sidestep that by saying things like "holding calls will never be 100%", is what I'm failing to understand. Everybody and their brother is aware that holding calls are going to be seen 100% by the officials.

And Elway is not the best Bronco QB ever. He forfeited that title when he brought Manning on board.

Because that's one picture CJ posted, one hold doesn't mean always holding. And yes every team holds. Chiefs have held on the plays that weren't called (Chiefs vs saints, i think it was albert who held the guy for charles to break loose for that 90 yard td run). I'll never believe every holding call is picked up on every team except the broncos....never. And yes Elway Bronco career > Peyton's Bronco Career.

And if that hold was a Pats, Packers, or Saints o-lineman, no it wouldn't be called.

Eydugstr

03-18-2014, 07:03 PM

Been here since 2008, yep totally came out right now, my plan has camefull circle, good try tho.

That's not a denial. Given the fact that you rarely if ever have said anything complimentary towards the Chiefs, have a picture of an former broncos QB's g/f as an avatar pic, make a bunch of Broncos-supporting posts, and will make some little crack that you know will tick Chiefs fans off, are you surprised that I would come to the conclusion that you're a Donks fan, and simply ask why you're here?

Yeah it says they'll be fine but doesnt say anything about how they'll go and win super bowls afterwards, nice try.

Lame. You posted it, you own it.

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 07:17 PM

Because that's one picture CJ posted, one hold doesn't mean always holding.

Nobody said ALWAYS holding. Where the hell are you deriving that from? What's being said is multiple instances that are blatantly being ignored TOO often & even Seahawks fans pointed that out in the SB. The Hawks got called for twice as many holding penalties as the Donks and the refs didn't have any problems seeing the Hawks do it or have any problem throwing their flags. CJ's pic wasn't just a one-time occurrence, it happened way too many times throughout the season for anybody to keep count of it.

And yes every team holds.

Well no joke, Captain Obvious. The difference is the other 31 teams do not have it blatantly ignored at the horrific rate that the Donkeys did last year. They get flagged for it. And I meant to say "Everybody and their brother is aware that holding calls are not going to be seen 100% by the officials" but I made a typo error and forgot to put the word "not" in that sentence in my previous post.

Chiefs have held on the plays that weren't called (Chiefs vs saints, i think it was albert who held the guy for charles to break loose for that 90 yard td run).

And I pointed that out & acknowledged that right here on this very forum in the neighborhood of about a year ago that Albert got away with one and could have been flagged.

I'll never believe every holding call is picked up on every team except the broncos....never.

Believe whatever you want. My analysis of the Donkeys getting away with it blatantly more than the other 31 teams still stands & I watch the games via NFL Game Rewind and the overhead camera doesn't lie in that regard.

And yes Elway Bronco career > Peyton's Bronco Career.

Correction. Elway has a longer career as a Donkey than Manning. But, Elway was never close to being as prolific playing QB for the Donkeys during any of his 16 seasons as Manning was in 2012 or 2013.

And if that hold was a Pats, Packers, or Saints o-lineman, no it wouldn't be called.

You're totally full of s**t, there, and you have nothing to substantiate that statement. I know those teams would have gotten flagged for it & I know that I could go back and watch their games and probably never see holding calls being blatantly ignored at the rate the Donkeys holding calls were being blatantly ignored.

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 07:38 PM

They don't have it wrapped up, NE has the better team, IF they can get some more WR help, then it's the smart team to pick to win the afc. Maybe Indy can finally take that next step and be up there. Baltimore needs a better run game next season to finally get up there, IF steve smith can produce like he did in the past with the Panthers, that would take pressure off Ray(that's if he plays after those videos surfaced) and can get back to form. KC has that defense to address and the o-line will be a wait and see what happens. SD is just too...inconsistent. They beat great team but play down to terrible teams. Cincy with Andy Dalton is going no where, but maybe he'll prove his doubters wrong finally.

I think (as of right now, with no draft and not seeing teams on the field, it's either NE or Den who take the AFC, who ever gets homefiled has it, but that can change with the draft and after the 4 preseason games.

But as always, wait and see til the season starts

The Pats still have their biggest problem on offense no WR help. There TE is often injured so they still have that major problem. So I can't say I think they have gotten much better this offseason. But they could find a gem in the draft. It's still very early in the offseason.

Because when anybody calls Denver out on something, he defends them tooth, fang, and claw in the very same fashion Donkeys fans do, that's why.

Notice all the stupid .gif images that he's posted repeatedly, when some of us have discussed how the Donkeys SB's in '97 and '98 were tainted. Or his retarded comments like "all teams get away with holding", when the pictorial evidence was put right in front of his ugly face showing the type of choke-holding right in front of the official that none of the other 31 teams get away with, except the Donkeys. Only a Donkeys fan would defend that in that manner & if he's not a Donkeys fan, then what's the purpose of him defending that which is really can't be defended with anything other than stupid statements & phony arguments and nothing valid?
I don't think Doobs has ever denied that the salary cap stuff of the 90s ever happened his point is that it's time to let it go. And he doesn't deny that they get away with holding he's just saying they are not the only ones that are getting away with it. Which IMO in true. The Pats get away with a lot of stuff to.

That's not a denial. Given the fact that you rarely if ever have said anything complimentary towards the Chiefs, have a picture of an former broncos QB's g/f as an avatar pic, make a bunch of Broncos-supporting posts, and will make some little crack that you know will tick Chiefs fans off, are you surprised that I would come to the conclusion that you're a Donks fan, and simply ask why you're here?

Lame. You posted it, you own it.
WOAH now lets not insult doobs Avatar pic. I am a fan :smile

You're totally full of s**t, there, and you have nothing to substantiate that statement. I know those teams would have gotten flagged for it & I know that I could go back and watch their games and probably never see holding calls being blatantly ignored at the rate the Donkeys holding calls were being blatantly ignored.

I disagree here. While I don't agree with doobs that the Pack is on that level IMO the Pats get away with just as much as Denver. Brady and Manning are the NFL golden boys. The Nfl is going to do all they can to help them. SO I don't think it's just Denver I put the Pats there two.

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 07:48 PM

That's not a denial. Given the fact that you rarely if ever have said anything complimentary towards the Chiefs, have a picture of an former broncos QB's g/f as an avatar pic, make a bunch of Broncos-supporting posts, and will make some little crack that you know will tick Chiefs fans off, are you surprised that I would come to the conclusion that you're a Donks fan, and simply ask why you're here?

Lame. You posted it, you own it.

Correction i posted it when Tebow was still a Gator :D Nice try tho. Nothing wrong with Tebow, just the media. More players need to have heart like him and act like him (with a little bit less of the religion.

Yeah i own it but the guy isn't saying they're going to win Super Bowls forever, just saying they'll be fine, which in my mind reads "we'll still contend for the AFC West and/or make playoffs"

Eydugstr

03-18-2014, 07:49 PM

WOAH now lets not insult doobs Avatar pic. I am a fan :smile

LOL How ELSE would it have gotten my attention ?!?

doobs_05

03-18-2014, 07:55 PM

The Pats still have their biggest problem on offense no WR help. There TE is often injured so they still have that major problem. So I can't say I think they have gotten much better this offseason. But they could find a gem in the draft. It's still very early in the offseason.
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It just seems every time brady doesn't have weapons, he makes it work. No wes, no problem. Oh one my TE's is a psycho going to jail and the other one is party animal and hurt himself, no prob, i got this. (hence Brady > Peyton)

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 07:58 PM

It just seems every time brady doesn't have weapons, he makes it work. No wes, no problem. Oh one my TE's is a psycho going to jail and the other one is party animal and hurt himself, no prob, i got this. (hence Brady > Peyton)

He does make it work a lot of the time most of the time. But there were times this past season that it really did have an effect on them. If they had a better WR core I think they would have been the number 1 seed in the playoffs and it might have been them in the super bowl rather then Denver.

But I do agree with Brady>Manning. To many times Manning has throw the big pick when brady threw the big td pass.

brdempsey69

03-18-2014, 07:59 PM

I don't think Doobs has ever denied that the salary cap stuff of the 90s ever happened his point is that it's time to let it go. And he doesn't deny that they get away with holding he's just saying they are not the only ones that are getting away with it. Which IMO in true. The Pats get away with a lot of stuff to.

Not going to happen if it's rearing it ugly head again like it did last year with the same two culprits involved & I'm not alone in that thought. Such a thing wasn't happening in 2012 and therefore there was no discussion of the matter.

I disagree here. While I don't agree with doobs that the Pack is on that level IMO the Pats get away with just as much as Denver. Brady and Manning are the NFL golden boys. The Nfl is going to do all they can to help them. SO I don't think it's just Denver I put the Pats there two.

No, sorry, but that is incorrect. The stats from last year show that the Pats gave up twice as many sacks as the Donkeys in fewer attempts & I watched enough Pats games via NFL Game Rewind to know they don't get away with as much blatant rules infractions and have the officials blatantly ignore those rules infractions as much as the Donkeys did last year -- not by a longshot. Two examples would be the pick play the Pats got called for in the AFC Championship game that drew commentary from former Chiefs WR Steve Breaston & that botched call that went against the Pats in the Carolina game at the very end of the game. I guarantee you that if that had been the Donkeys playing Carolina instead of the Pats, the refs would have enforced a 5-yard illegal contact foul, instead of picking up the flag and saying "no foul, game over".

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 08:02 PM

Not going to happen if it's rearing it ugly head again like it did last year with the same two culprits involved & I'm not alone in that thought. Such a thing wasn't happening in 2012 and therefore there was no discussion of the matter.

No, sorry, but that is incorrect. The stats from last year show that the Pats gave up twice as many sacks as the Donkeys in fewer attempts & I watched enough Pats games via NFL Game Rewind to know they don't get away with as much blatant rules infractions and have the officials blatantly ignore those rules infractions as much as the Donkeys did last year -- not by a longshot. Two examples would be the pick play the Pats got called for in the AFC Championship game that drew commentary from former Chiefs WR Steve Breaston & that botched call that went against the Pats in the Carolina game at the very end of the game. I guarantee you that if that had been the Donkeys playing Carolina instead of the Pats, the refs would have enforced a 5-yard illegal contact foul, instead of picking up the flag and saying "no foul, game over".

Last year I would agree Denver got more calls. I guess I should have said over the years Brady has gotten just as many calls. I was talking more over the years then just last season

Eydugstr

03-18-2014, 10:12 PM

Nothing wrong with Tebow, just the media. More players need to have heart like him and act like him (with a little bit less of the religion.)

Nothing wrong with Tebow?...?!?....Did the grading curve of lower-than-average NFL QB's just drop greatly, and overnight? The media's to blame for his downfall? Not the decision to go to NYC instead of Jacksonville? Not his inability to learn a different offense? Denver QB's can do no wrong even when they're fired by former Denver QB's...What are you smoking?...Oh yeah that's legal there, too...

matthewschiefs

03-18-2014, 10:22 PM

Nothing wrong with Tebow?...?!?....Did the grading curve of lower-than-average NFL QB's just drop greatly, and overnight? The media's to blame for his downfall? Not the decision to go to NYC instead of Jacksonville? Not his inability to learn a different offense? Denver QB's can do no wrong even when they're fired by former Denver QB's...What are you smoking?...Oh yeah that's legal there, too...

The media is the reason that Most people have a problem with Tebow. They overhyped him and people got sick of him

Tebows problem on the field is in part due to the fact he never got a chance to grow in an offense. He was cut lose after less then a year of starting for Manning. He might have gotten a chance to grow in an offense if he had gone to Jacksonville but chose to go to New York instead.

Mongo

03-19-2014, 01:20 AM

The media is the reason that Most people have a problem with Tebow. They overhyped him and people got sick of him

Tebows problem on the field is in part due to the fact he never got a chance to grow in an offense. He was cut lose after less then a year of starting for Manning. He might have gotten a chance to grow in an offense if he had gone to Jacksonville but chose to go to New York instead.
Tim Tebow's problem is he is a terrible QB. He cannot throw accurately and has not been able to correct it.

Eydugstr

03-19-2014, 08:13 AM

The media is the reason that Most people have a problem with Tebow. They overhyped him and people got sick of him

Tebows problem on the field is in part due to the fact he never got a chance to grow in an offense. He was cut lose after less then a year of starting for Manning. He might have gotten a chance to grow in an offense if he had gone to Jacksonville but chose to go to New York instead.

The thing is, if he'd gone to Jacksonville, it's very likely they would have built an offense around his style of play (Wildcat offense). That area was his biggest fanbase, it might've carried some clout with the front office & coaching staff, at least at that time.

doobs_05

03-19-2014, 12:28 PM

I wasn't talking about Tebow's play, i was more talking about his character. Plus i love his speech after the loss to Ole Miss. I dig it up if i wasn't at work.

brdempsey69

03-19-2014, 12:35 PM

Tebow was a major reach on draft day in 2010 with the Donks trading multiple picks to move up in round 1 to take him. I never thought that he was any better than a 3rd rounder at best.

doobs_05

03-19-2014, 12:38 PM

Team-by-team salary cap space:
Oakland Raiders: $32,299,198
Cleveland Browns: $31,828,788
New York Jets: $27,899,282
Cincinnati Bengals: $26,607,666
Jacksonville Jaguars: $25,239,764
Miami Dolphins: $19,185,752
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $17,558,206
Green Bay Packers: $17,024,449
Indianapolis Colts: $16,730,795
Philadelphia Eagles: $16,203,629
Buffalo Bills: $15,590,046
Minnesota Vikings: $15,489,099
Seattle Seahawks: $15,213,737
Atlanta Falcons: $10,194,447
Houston Texans: $9,469,501
Tennessee Titans: $9,100,702
Baltimore Ravens: $9,061,187
St. Louis Rams: $8,999,358
New England Patriots: $8,804,036
Arizona Cardinals: $8,137,968
Denver Broncos: $7,642,337
Washington Redskins: $7,455,869
Carolina Panthers: $7,344,546
Dallas Cowboys: $7,162,442
Chicago Bears: $5,773,177
Kansas City Chiefs: $5,227,069
San Francisco 49ers: $3,726,835
New York Giants: $3,690,088
San Diego Chargers: $3,653,247
Detroit Lions: $2,204,330
Pittsburgh Steelers: $2,174,434
New Orleans Saints: $849,212

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/after-one-week-of-free-agency-a-team-by-team-look-at-cap-space-available/

Pro_Angler

03-19-2014, 07:17 PM

Atleast they are goingvto win a SB we aren't doing chat good for them

brdempsey69

03-19-2014, 07:49 PM

Atleast they are goingvto win a SB we aren't doing chat good for them

Who's going to win a SB? The Donkeys? I'll bet they don't. Their schedule will be a lot tougher this year & Seattle exposed them in the last SB. And the rest of the AFC isn't just going to roll over on their backs and die for them.

Eydugstr

03-19-2014, 09:01 PM

I wasn't talking about Tebow's play, i was more talking about his character. Plus i love his speech after the loss to Ole Miss. I dig it up if i wasn't at work.

Robert Kraft said the same thing. Then fired him a few months later. Did KISS hire him or is he still a talking head on ESPN?

chief31

03-19-2014, 09:04 PM

brdempsey69

03-19-2014, 09:11 PM

Doobs is a good Chiefs fan. He is simply in the position of not being as extreme in his belief of just HOW GOOD last years Chiefs were, and how disgusting The Broncos are.

I agree with SOME of the criticism of The Donks. But not all of it.

I can't recall anybody saying the above in bold, as just about everybody has acknowledged the Chiefs are a work in progress & there's still more pieces that need to be added.

Now the part about about "the Donkeys being disgusting", many of us did say it & will continue to for all the obvious reasons stated.

Justin5772002

03-19-2014, 11:57 PM

Part of being a fan is CHEERING on your team, not ALWAYS putting them down.

Mongo

03-20-2014, 10:46 AM

Elway's no fool. The deals are intelligently structured based on incentives and little guaranteed money. Here's a good read on the subject:

http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/5719/how-the-broncos-did-what-they-did

Elway tormented us first as a player, now as a GM. The dude is good.

chief31

03-20-2014, 11:37 AM

I can't recall anybody saying the above in bold, as just about everybody has acknowledged the Chiefs are a work in progress & there's still more pieces that need to be added.

Now the part about about "the Donkeys being disgusting", many of us did say it & will continue to for all the obvious reasons stated.:lol:

I just remember seeing him during the season, and getting similar treatment for not being "AS" positive-minded as others. When you are in that position, it tends to look (and even feel) like you are against The Chiefs, because the other fans are looking over the fence at you when you disagree with their opinion. The more that happens, the more you find you are arguing each angle that the other Chiefs fans choose to focus on, which is the things you disagree on. Therefore, just about all of your comments wind-up being "anti-Chiefs".

As for The Donkos.... It is the same thing. If there are loud voices against, and you disagree with some things, then those points are the one's that will bring on extended debate. Little debate is to be had on aspects that you agree on.

I'm just sayin'.... I have been there. And so have most of us.

Brdemsey has been in long enough discussions to look like he hates Eric Berry. But he clearly doesn't.:bananen_smilies046:

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 12:35 PM

Robert Kraft said the same thing. Then fired him a few months later. Did KISS hire him or is he still a talking head on ESPN?

Yeah, because he wasn't a good QB, the position they signed him too. You can still like a guys character and fire him/cut him.

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 12:36 PM

Brdemsey has been in long enough discussions to look like he hates Eric Berry. But he clearly doesn't.:bananen_smilies046:

No, I don't hate Berry. It was the circumstances in how he was drafted and and being made the highest-paid Safety ever, that I hated. Berry's a good player, but I can't rate him above guys like Greg Wesley or Lloyd Burruss, nor ignore the fact that since Berry has been drafted, he's been overpaid while Jamaal Charles has been underpaid.

And I hate to break this to people, but when Berry's rookie contract is up, he may be allowed to walk same as Albert, Asamoah, and McCluster. Alex Smith, Dontari Poe, and Justin Houston are bigger priorities and Dorsey/Reid do not strike anyone as the types that want to continue to pay Berry 10 mill a year or any Safety.

Elway tormented us first as a player, now as a GM. The dude is good.

As a player, people forget that the Chiefs caused Elway a good number of low moments, especially the game in the season final at Arrowhead in '92, when DT and company worked him over so badly, that they pulled Elway out of the game in the 4th QTR, and when did that ever happen in any other game that Elway played in?

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 12:39 PM

Thank You!

chief31

03-20-2014, 01:03 PM

No, I don't hate Berry. It was the circumstances in how he was drafted and and being made the highest-paid Safety ever, that I hated. Berry's a good player, but I can't rate him above guys like Greg Wesley or Lloyd Burruss, nor ignore the fact that since Berry has been drafted, he's been overpaid while Jamaal Charles has been underpaid.

And I hate to break this to people, but when Berry's rookie contract is up, he may be allowed to walk same as Albert, Asamoah, and McCluster. Alex Smith, Dontari Poe, and Justin Houston are bigger priorities and Dorsey/Reid do not strike anyone as the types that want to continue to pay Berry 10 mill a year or any Safety

Yeah... I get that. That was the point. Surely you have been berated a bit over seeming anti-Eric Berry? When, in truth, it is not that you are against Berry at all. But when someone else's opinion of him is higher than yours, any discussion you have on that topic will make you look like you don't like him.

I have seen threads that make Doobs look like he is anti-Chiefs. But I just plain know better. I think you do too. Just let him get under your skin, so ya unleash on him some. (Been on both sides of those kind of exchanges myself too).

He might be a bit of an a***ole at times. I know I am. Must of us are from time to time. But I trust that, if I ever see any of you guys at a Chiefs game, we are going to get along GREAT!

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 01:31 PM

Yeah... I get that. That was the point. Surely you have been berated a bit over seeming anti-Eric Berry? When, in truth, it is not that you are against Berry at all. But when someone else's opinion of him is higher than yours, any discussion you have on that topic will make you look like you don't like him.

I have seen threads that make Doobs look like he is anti-Chiefs. But I just plain know better. I think you do too. Just let him get under your skin, so ya unleash on him some. (Been on both sides of those kind of exchanges myself too).

He might be a bit of an a***ole at times. I know I am. Must of us are from time to time. But I trust that, if I ever see any of you guys at a Chiefs game, we are going to get along GREAT!

I didn't say doobs was anti-Chiefs. What was said was he defends things regarding the Donkeys that really cannot rightfully be defended like Donkeys fans in general would do -- such as them being over the salary cap in 96 through 98 which has been documented, the massive holding they were getting away with at that time ( and last year, as well as the illegal pick plays) as well as the illegal chop-blocks and leg whips, the ridiculously easy schedules they had in '97 and '98, and the horrific amount of bad calls/no calls that went in their favor that was unparalleled in NFL history & with all that tilting the playing field in their favor, a great majority are not about to honor them as outright champs for those two seasons, even though Donkeys fans think that everybody else is obligated to do such. But, that just isn't the case. The main point being, that all things being equal & on a level playing field, the Donkeys don't get to those two SB's in '97 add '98 and they don't run up those Offensive numbers that they did last year & may not have made it to the SB last year. Seattle's thrashing of the the Donkeys in SB 48 will always be known to me as the JUSTICE BOWL.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 02:42 PM

I didn't say doobs was anti-Chiefs. What was said was he defends things regarding the Donkeys that really cannot rightfully be defended like Donkeys fans in general would do -- such as them being over the salary cap in 96 through 98 which has been documented, the massive holding they were getting away with at that time ( and last year, as well as the illegal pick plays) as well as the illegal chop-blocks and leg whips, the ridiculously easy schedules they had in '97 and '98, and the horrific amount of bad calls/no calls that went in their favor that was unparalleled in NFL history & with all that tilting the playing field in their favor, a great majority are not about to honor them as outright champs for those two seasons, even though Donkeys fans think that everybody else is obligated to do such. But, that just isn't the case. The main point being, that all things being equal & on a level playing field, the Donkeys don't get to those two SB's in '97 add '98 and they don't run up those Offensive numbers that they did last year & may not have made it to the SB last year. Seattle's thrashing of the the Donkeys in SB 48 will always be known to me as the JUSTICE BOWL.

I never defended Denver being over the salary, like matthew has said, i said to get over it. It happen so many years ago. They got fined, they lost draft picks. It happen, they got caught and got punished. Now it's time to move on. I think Elway is the only person from those years who is till involved with everything (maybe the gm and owner of denver). No player that played for denver is still on the field suited up and playing for denver.

And yes, other teams have cheated or gotten away with calls. Denver got an easy schedule because 1. The schedule is determined before the season started 2. teams didn't live up to their rank from last year. It's not like the NFL said "hey, denver needs an easy schedule." and i higly doubt the NFL said "Hey, refs! Give denver all the calls, okay? Thanks"

Also where are you getting the weak schedule from?

http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflrnk97.htm

seems that had a harder schedule then most? if you went by the R

OpPct

Opponents "Raw" winning percentage (Strength of Schedule

the were 7th

if you went by

Strength of victory they were 3rd

98 you have a better arguement Opct 14th (or 15th) and their strength of victory was 3rd (and only 10 teams were above .500 that year, 7 were at .500) http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflrnk98.htm

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 05:26 PM

I never defended Denver being over the salary, like matthew has said, i said to get over it. It happen so many years ago. They got fined, they lost draft picks. It happen, they got caught and got punished. Now it's time to move on. I think Elway is the only person from those years who is till involved with everything (maybe the gm and owner of denver). No player that played for denver is still on the field suited up and playing for denver.

Also where are you getting the weak schedule from?

http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflrnk97.htm

seems that had a harder schedule then most? if you went by the R

OpPct
Opponents "Raw" winning percentage (Strength of Schedule

the were 7th

if you went by

Strength of victory they were 3rd

98 you have a better arguement Opct 14th (or 15th) and their strength of victory was 3rd (and only 10 teams were above .500 that year, 7 were at .500) http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/nflsbar/nflrnk98.htm

Who did they play in the opposing teams park either of those years that had made the playoffs the year before in the 1st half of those schedules in '97 and '98? NOBODY, and it allowed them to get off to fast starts, 6-0 in '97 and then 13-0 in '98 ( same as we saw last year ). And in '97, they didn't have to play in Pitt. or SF or even in KC until the 2nd half of the schedule.

And yes, other teams have cheated or gotten away with calls. Denver got an easy schedule because 1. The schedule is determined before the season started 2. teams didn't live up to their rank from last year. It's not like the NFL said "hey, denver needs an easy schedule." and i higly doubt the NFL said "Hey, refs! Give denver all the calls, okay? Thanks"

What other teams have gotten away with the amount of bad calls/no calls that paralleled what the Donkey's did in '97 and '98? Please explain why you can't name them? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY -- plain and simple.

And how do you know what transpired in the league office at that time? Were you there? No, you are merely guessing. I found it quite strange that in 2nd game against the Donkeys at KC that the league office handed out a 10,000 dollar fine to Safety Jerome Woods for a perfectly legit hit on Ed McCaffery that prevented McCaffery from catching a tipped pass in the end zone that if McCaffery had caught, the Donks would have won that game, but they lost. Do you know who it was specifically that handed out that fine to Woods? None other than Stanford grad, Gene Washington ( same school as Elway and McCaffery ).

As for "moving on" from it, that is your choice. But I got news for you. I don't follow your lead. That is my choice & when the same type of thing is rearing it's ugly head again with the same two culprits involved ( Elway and Bowlen ), then people like CJ and eydugstr and myself and others will be discussing the matter & we don't need your permission.

Mongo

03-20-2014, 05:54 PM

Who did they play in the opposing teams park either of those years that had made the playoffs the year before in the 1st half of those schedules in '97 and '98? NOBODY, and it allowed them to get off to fast starts, 6-0 in '97 and then 13-0 in '98 ( same as we saw last year ). And in '97, they didn't have to play in Pitt. or SF or even in KC until the 2nd half of the schedule.

What other teams have gotten away with the amount of bad calls/no calls that paralleled what the Donkey's did in '97 and '98? Please explain why you can't name them? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY -- plain and simple.

And how do you know what transpired in the league office at that time? Were you there? No, you are merely guessing. I found it quite strange that in 2nd game against the Donkeys at KC that the league office handed out a 10,000 dollar fine to Safety Jerome Woods for a perfectly legit hit on Ed McCaffery that prevented McCaffery from catching a tipped pass in the end zone that if McCaffery had caught, the Donks would have won that game, but they lost. Do you know who it was specifically that handed out that fine to Woods? None other than Stanford grad, Gene Washington ( same school as Elway and McCaffery ).

As for "moving on" from it, that is your choice. But I got news for you. I don't follow your lead. That is my choice & when the same type of thing is rearing it's ugly head again with the same two culprits involved ( Elway and Bowlen ), then people like CJ and eydugstr and myself and others will be discussing the matter & we don't need your permission.

I love conspiracy theories. If the game is as fixed as you say why do you bother to watch it?

I was present at KC at DEN this year and their fans griped about officiating same as any other. Every fan thinks refereeing is biased against their team. It isn't.

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 06:08 PM

I love conspiracy theories. If the game is as fixed as you say why do you bother to watch it?

I was present at KC at DEN this year and their fans griped about officiating same as any other. Every fan thinks refereeing is biased against their team. It isn't.

Guess what? I didn't bother to watch the SB, until after I had heard the Hawks won it in a romp.

And not every fan thinks refereeing is biased against their team & in fact, that's not even what's being discussed. It's being biased FOR a particular team that was being discussed. So you're humping the neighbors dog with that one.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 06:16 PM

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 06:19 PM

Guess what? I didn't bother to watch the SB, until after I had heard the Hawks won it in a romp.

And not every fan thinks refereeing is biased against their team & in fact, that's not even what's being discussed. It's being biased FOR a particular team that was being discussed. So you're humping the neighbors dog with that one.

He's not talking the super bowl, he's talking about the NFL in general, if you think Denver (or any team) has an advantage every game, every year and the fix is in, why do you watch?

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 06:26 PM

You play who is put infront of you, they won their games. It's like people who *****ed about KC's schedule this year. Sorry but it's not KC's fault they had an easy first 10 games schedule and its not denvers fault they had a "easy schedule"

Yeah, the chiefs have started 10-0 in the past and didn't turn out well. Starting fast or slow doesn't matter. You get to the playoffs and you're hot, you're going to go far (see NYG first super bowl win against the Pats)

One major difference that you failed to point out. The Chiefs were coming off a 2-14 record in 2012. The Donkeys were coming off a 13-3 record going into '97, a 12-4 record going into '98, and a 13-3 record going into 2013 <---- that's the difference and that renders your argument completely invalid. Even back in '97, the Chiefs had a tougher schedule coming coming off a 9-7 season than the Donkeys did.

And the Chiefs have never started any season 10-0 in their history, EVER. Get your facts straight.

He's not talking the super bowl, he's talking about the NFL in general, if you think Denver (or any team) has an advantage every game, every year and the fix is in, why do you watch?

I didn't say whether or not he was talking about the SB or NFL in general.

I never said "every game, every year". I fact I not only said specific years, I also pointed out in an earlier post that it didn't happen 2012. The question isn't why do I watch, but why do you continually rip things out of context? You've clearly humped your neighbors dog one too many times, they way you continually rip things out of context & misquote things.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 06:27 PM

Who did they play in the opposing teams park either of those years that had made the playoffs the year before in the 1st half of those schedules in '97 and '98? NOBODY, and it allowed them to get off to fast starts, 6-0 in '97 and then 13-0 in '98 ( same as we saw last year ). And in '97, they didn't have to play in Pitt. or SF or even in KC until the 2nd half of the schedule.

What other teams have gotten away with the amount of bad calls/no calls that paralleled what the Donkey's did in '97 and '98? Please explain why you can't name them? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY -- plain and simple.

And how do you know what transpired in the league office at that time? Were you there? No, you are merely guessing. I found it quite strange that in 2nd game against the Donkeys at KC that the league office handed out a 10,000 dollar fine to Safety Jerome Woods for a perfectly legit hit on Ed McCaffery that prevented McCaffery from catching a tipped pass in the end zone that if McCaffery had caught, the Donks would have won that game, but they lost. Do you know who it was specifically that handed out that fine to Woods? None other than Stanford grad, Gene Washington ( same school as Elway and McCaffery ).

As for "moving on" from it, that is your choice. But I got news for you. I don't follow your lead. That is my choice & when the same type of thing is rearing it's ugly head again with the same two culprits involved ( Elway and Bowlen ), then people like CJ and eydugstr and myself and others will be discussing the matter & we don't need your permission.

Faily Mary
Music City Miracle
Rice agains the Packers
Big Ben fumble against miami
Jerome Bettis coin flip call
Pats vs Raiders (TUCK RULE!!!!!)
Mike Renfro TD catch
Favre vs saints

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 06:29 PM

One major difference that you failed to point out. The Chiefs were coming off a 2-14 record in 2012. The Donkeys were coming off a 13-3 record going into '97, a 12-4 record going into '98, and a 13-3 record going into 2013 <---- that's the difference and that renders your argument completely invalid. Even back in '97, the Chiefs had a tougher schedule coming coming off a 9-7 season than the Donkeys did.

And the Chiefs have never started any season 10-0 in their history, EVER. Get your facts straight.

WHAT YOU FAIL to realise is the chiefs only had 2(!) teams they played because of their 2-14 (Cleveland, Bills). Everything else was determined about 10 years ago.

Oh sorry, so they've started 6-0 before than, sorry.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 06:31 PM

And how many times are perfectly legal hits getting fines now, all the time

Eydugstr

03-20-2014, 06:48 PM

Yeah, because he wasn't a good QB, the position they signed him too. You can still like a guys character and fire him/cut him.

I'm pretty sure the Broncos & Jets didn't hire/fire him for character reasons either.

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 07:02 PM

Faily Mary
Music City Miracle
Rice agains the Packers
Big Ben fumble against miami
Jerome Bettis coin flip call
Pats vs Raiders (TUCK RULE!!!!!)
Mike Renfro TD catch
Favre vs saints

Invalid examples. Those were controversial plays, but those were the exception, not the rule.

Those aren't along the same vein as the the Donkeys getting away with BLATANT rules infractions on continued basis as has been illustrated repeatedly. A 2-yr old could figure that, but you can't?

WHAT YOU FAIL to realise is the chiefs only had 2(!) teams they played because of their 2-14 (Cleveland, Bills). Everything else was determined about 10 years ago.

WRONG!! I'm quite aware of the two different teams the Chiefs had to play as opposed to the Donkeys ( NE and Balt ). The opponents are predetermined, but the sequence in which they play them is not -- it's determined during the off-season and therefore it raises legit questions about why the Donkey's got an easy start to the 1st half of the '97 and '98 and even 2013 seasons.

And how many times are perfectly legal hits getting fines now, all the time

That's completely bogus. It doesn't happen all the time & in fact, the NFL is coming forth with their explanations of why they are handing out fines for what they consider to be illegal hits. I've seen them do that on NFL.com time and again. Regarding Jerome Woods hit on Ed McCaffery that Woods was fined 10k for, there was no explanation for it or any just cause for it. In fact, McCafferey wasn't even knocked to the ground on that play & if Woods doesn't hit him, then McCaffery catches that tipped pass for a TD and the rules clearly state that once a ball is tipped, then contact is allowed. Woods was innocent of any wrong-doing on that play.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:13 PM

Invalid examples. Those were controversial plays, but those were the exception, not the rule.

You honestly don't believe brady and Pats get every call or any other team? You don't believe every team cheats (be it small ones or bigs ones)?

There is probably a guy just like you for every team that crying about a rival team and them getting every call.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:14 PM

I'm pretty sure the Broncos & Jets didn't hire/fire him for character reasons either.

Jets did it for the circus and probably thought he was a better QB than Sanchez. You also can like a guy in college before he goes pro, just so happen he went to a rival team.

Eydugstr

03-20-2014, 07:17 PM

Doobs is a good Chiefs fan. He is simply in the position of not being as extreme in his belief of just HOW GOOD last years Chiefs were, and how disgusting The Broncos are.

I agree with SOME of the criticism of The Donks. But not all of it.

It's ironic that at the same time he has a thread going where he was getting ready to bash a former Chiefs player that stood up for an injured Chiefs QB, and in another thread was talking about how the team was only going to go 7-9.

I asked him straight out if he was a Broncos fan. That's my statement, not Brd's. Look at the responses I got and judge for yourself if I got a straight answer. If it looks like a duck, walks like duck, and quacks like a duck...It should come as no surprise that someone calls it out as a duck. And if he'd said "yes", it's not like he'd been kicked off the board, plenty of fans on the board from other teams. The red flags for me were the constant little argument starting cracks, all the supportive statements of the Broncos (he sourced a report from a website founded by CRAIG MORTON era donks fans), and never a compliment about a Chiefs player.

A lot of folks seem to be trying to turn this into Brd's accountability for his thoughts on the Broncos. Where's Doobs' accountability for the stuff he's posted?

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:21 PM

It's ironic that at the same time he has a thread going where he was getting ready to bash a former Chiefs player that stood up for an injured Chiefs QB, and in another thread was talking about how the team was only going to go 7-9.

I asked him straight out if he was a Broncos fan. That's my statement, not Brd's. Look at the responses I got and judge for yourself if I got a straight answer. If it looks like a duck, walks like duck, and quacks like a duck...It should come as no surprise that someone calls it out as a duck. And if he'd said "yes", it's not like he'd been kicked off the board, plenty of fans on the board from other teams. The red flags for me were the constant little argument starting cracks, all the supportive statements of the Broncos (he sourced a report from a website founded by CRAIG MORTON era donks fans), and never a compliment about a Chiefs player.

A lot of folks seem to be trying to turn this into Brd's accountability for his thoughts on the Broncos. Where's Doobs' accountability for the stuff he's posted?

hahaha bash a former chiefs player THAT THREW THE FANBASE UNDER THE BUS!!!

7-9 as of right now, is what i said

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:22 PM

Take it bashing LJ is bad too or Lin Elliot

Eydugstr

03-20-2014, 07:29 PM

hahaha bash a former chiefs player THAT THREW THE FANBASE UNDER THE BUS!!!

7-9 as of right now, is what i said

Thank you

Take it bashing LJ is bad too or Lin Elliot

You are honestly comparing LJ or Lin Elliot to what happened with Eric Winston ?!? Again, thank you.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:30 PM

Thank you

You are honestly comparing LJ or Lin Elliot to what happened with Eric Winston ?!? Again, thank you.

Eric Winston threw a fan base under the bus to where ESPN and all the sports networks were calling Chiefs fans Classless

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:31 PM

and predicting a 1 game below .500 as of right now record does not make me less of fan then someone saying they'll go to the playoffs

Eydugstr

03-20-2014, 07:36 PM

and predicting a 1 game below .500 as of right now record does not make me less of fan then someone saying they'll go to the playoffs

No, it that's in ADDITION to a lot of other things you've posted that's making you less of a fan.

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 07:38 PM

You honestly don't believe brady and Pats get every call or any other team? You don't believe every team cheats (be it small ones or bigs ones)?

Did Brady and the Pats get the call in Carolina last year at the end of the game? Or in the AFC championship game? No, they didn't.

Please illustrate some examples regarding "every team cheating" instead of just throwing out nonsense.

There is probably a guy just like you for every team that crying about a rival team and them getting every call.

That smacks of a "can't attack the message, so attack the messenger" type statement.

Guess again, clod. I already pointed out an example of the Hawks fans calling out the Donkeys getting away with blatant holding and not getting called for it in the SB. I'm not the only Chiefs fan pointing it out. I personally know a Raiders fan named Grant whose pointed it out & says the Donks cheated their way to those SB's in '97 and '98 & I'll bet I could hunt down multiple other Raiders fans that would say the same thing, as it was Al Davis that led that investigation regarding the Donkeys being over the salary cap in 96 -- 98.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:39 PM

Glad you know a guy, but that doesn't help you here just like i know bronco fans in my hometown that wouldn't rank elway number 1 and that are not as delusional as you think all bronco fans are

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 07:41 PM

Did Brady and the Pats get the call in Carolina last year at the end of the game? Or in the AFC championship game? No, they didn't.

Please illustrate some examples regarding "every team cheating" instead of just throwing out nonsense.

So you believe that denver is the only team thta cheats and every other team plays without cheating? You think the refs get EVERY call, no call gets by them unless they ref a broncos game then they let things slide?

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 08:08 PM

Glad you know a guy, but that doesn't help you here just like i know bronco fans in my hometown that wouldn't rank elway number 1 and that are not as delusional as you think all bronco fans are

On the contrary, it does help me when multitudes of others are acknowledging the same thing and they aren't all Chiefs fans.

And regarding the Donks fans in your hometown that wouldn't rank Elway #1, does that mean you alone by yourself? I'm willing to bet it does.

So you believe that denver is the only team thta cheats and every other team plays without cheating? You think the refs get EVERY call, no call gets by them unless they ref a broncos game then they let things slide?

Nice try at side-stepping what I asked, but you fail.

Once again you are humping your neighbors dog & ripping things out of context. Nobody said they thought "the refs get every call". What was said that they are blatantly ignoring holding calls on the Donks & there was pictorial evidence to prove it & that they would indeed have thrown a flag on any of the other teams, because I've seen the refs throw the flags on the other teams, just like they did to Seattle in the SB when the refs saw holding and it was blatantly obvious.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 08:14 PM

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 08:14 PM

On the contrary, it does help me when multitudes of others are acknowledging the same thing and they aren't all Chiefs fans.

And regarding the Donks fans in your hometown that wouldn't rank Elway #1, does that mean you alone by yourself? I'm willing to bet it does.

Nice try at side-stepping what I asked, but you fail.

Once again you are humping your neighbors dog & ripping things out of context. Nobody said they thought "the refs get every call". What was said that they are blatantly ignoring holding calls on the Donks & there was pictorial evidence to prove it & that they would indeed have thrown a flag on any of the other teams, because I've seen the refs throw the flags on the other teams, just like they did to Seattle in the SB when the refs saw holding and it was blatantly obvious.

You didn't watch the super bowl, remember

brdempsey69

03-20-2014, 08:38 PM

Okay, so can i say that my friends that are not bronco fans think this whole denver cheatin in 97 and 98 (one being a dolphins fan and another a Pittsburg fan) think it is what it is, it happen and we should focus more on how our team should get to the playoffs and/or super bowl next year?

Very well, but I don't believe the Chiefs have arrived at a SB contending position just yet, and neither does any Chiefs fan who is a realist.

I'm glad you seen it, but i'm never going to believe that denver is the only team that gets away with holding calls. Everyteam doesn, the reason i can't give you the info you want is because i watch chiefs games and track players on fantasy football, and that's it. So i don't have the privilege to watch every game and know that denver is the only team that gets away with things. And with other teams cheating, can't tell you because some teams probably haven't been caught (unlike, NE, Dal, Den, Washington, NO, and players with steroids).

Your missing the point. The point is the refs were BLATANTLY ignoring the Donks holding repeatedly last year and that was not the case in previous years from 1999-2012 -- they DID get called for them. Nor were they resorting to illegal pick plays until last year. Regardless of what you believe, other teams last year were not getting away with blatant holding that the officials saw on the scale that the Donks were & as I said before I watched Eric Fisher extremely closely on every one of his snaps and anytime he held an opposing defender, he got called for it, but the truth is, Fisher seldom held any one.

I like how your evidence is 2 pictures btw on 2 seperate plays. getting the calls all the time i see.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that many more pictures couldn't be posted, if one wanted to. And yet, you'd probably come up with the same phony argument of "all teams get away with holding", even if 100 different pics were posted.

You didn't watch the super bowl, remember

No, I said I didn't watch it until after I had heard the Hawks had won. I watched it several times in delight via NFL Game Rewind, afterwards. You're trying to suggest that I didn't watch it at all, and that's not the case.

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 09:09 PM

doobs_05

03-20-2014, 09:11 PM

since edit won't work heres the link to the penalties in 2013 for offense

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-offensive-penalties/2013/

brdempsey69

03-21-2014, 12:21 AM

And see, you have the NFL Rewind to re watch these games. But the one problem is, you can say "i saw they missed this" but you need to source it, make a video and say "here is where they missed it' but the big problem with that is the NFL likes to shut down their videos without their permission (sometimes).

Says who? Why don't you purchase an NFL Game Rewind subscription and go watch closely for yourself? Or are you too fearful?

I will always be on the side of the fence that says "teams cheat, players cheat, and both get away with a lot of calls" I was going to point out that denver was 7th in the penalties on offense, but i already know you're rebuttle will be "you don't know which penalties were called (holding offsides) and i'm talking about missed ones"

Don't care what side of any fence you are on. All that's telling anybody is their ranking should have been higher, probably 1st. And you don't know what each of those specific infractions were, so what's your point? 70 penalties, 461 rushing plays, and 675 passing plays. None of which changes the fact that they should been called for a lot more than just 70 and given the number of plays they ran from scrimmage, the Donks being ranked 7th in most penalties is quite misleading. Also proves they didn't play against any legit Defenses, as the SB also proved.

I acknoledge denver cheated in the past AND I'M SUPER SURPRISED you haven't talked about the vassoline in 97 yet (come on son!), i was waiting for that one. But someone directed me to an article by Mark Slyrathith (i butchered that name bad) and he stated (and again you won't agree with him at all) they did it to get the refs attention, so they would make the correct calls in the trench (he talked about the game they lost in KC how defenders were holding them so they couldn't pull guard fast enough).

You are incorrect. eydugstr and I have discussed that here on this forum before, amongst other dirty tactics that Donkeys blockers were getting away with at that time, all taught to them by an O-Line coach named Alex Gibbs You simply haven't been paying attention. Are you really dumb enough to believe Schlereth's statement that they wore greasy substance to "get the refs attention so that they'd make the correct calls in the trench". That's a crock of BS. Defenders have always been allowed to grab Offensive blockers on running plays & opposing O-Lineman on passing plays since the game was invented and that has never changed. If the refs made the proper call, they would have ejected the Donks O-Lineman from the game because that is a blatant violation of league rules, same as using stickum which got outlawed in the early '80's. They weren't even made to take those jerseys off in that game & all they did was wipe them with towels. Schlereth is just being a clever liar like his twin brothers Elway and Bowlen.

And everybody saw what happened to Terrel Davis in '99 when those dirty blocking tactics were taken away from them. Davis got the living hell beaten out of him and didn't last 4 games into the '99 season and his career was essentially over.

It's time to end this, no one wants this thread to keep popping up even tho this is the only thing we as KC fans can talk about because "offseason".

Running away due to the difficulty you seem to be having refuting a whole slew of valid points that I've made, are we?

70 chiefsfan70

03-21-2014, 09:12 AM

I should get a life, and have my head examined. I just read this entire post desperately searching for so Chiefs news. I was denied.

70 chiefsfan70

03-21-2014, 09:17 AM

I should get a life, and have my head examined. I just read this entire post desperately searching for so Chiefs news.

Mongo

03-21-2014, 11:42 AM

Invalid examples. Those were controversial plays, but those were the exception, not the rule.

Those aren't along the same vein as the the Donkeys getting away with BLATANT rules infractions on continued basis as has been illustrated repeatedly. A 2-yr old could figure that, but you can't?

WRONG!! I'm quite aware of the two different teams the Chiefs had to play as opposed to the Donkeys ( NE and Balt ). The opponents are predetermined, but the sequence in which they play them is not -- it's determined during the off-season and therefore it raises legit questions about why the Donkey's got an easy start to the 1st half of the '97 and '98 and even 2013 seasons.

That's completely bogus. It doesn't happen all the time & in fact, the NFL is coming forth with their explanations of why they are handing out fines for what they consider to be illegal hits. I've seen them do that on NFL.com time and again. Regarding Jerome Woods hit on Ed McCaffery that Woods was fined 10k for, there was no explanation for it or any just cause for it. In fact, McCafferey wasn't even knocked to the ground on that play & if Woods doesn't hit him, then McCaffery catches that tipped pass for a TD and the rules clearly state that once a ball is tipped, then contact is allowed. Woods was innocent of any wrong-doing on that play.
The Broncos getting an easy start those years is not a conspiracy to give them an advantage. Its to have favorable TV matchups during the stretch drive to the playoffs. There's a reason BAL and PIT don't usually play each other until the second half of the season. The NFL is banking both teams will be good and in a playoff run. Makes for better TV viewership.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 12:36 PM

Says who? Why don't you purchase an NFL Game Rewind subscription and go watch closely for yourself? Or are you too fearful?

Don't care what side of any fence you are on. All that's telling anybody is their ranking should have been higher, probably 1st. And you don't know what each of those specific infractions were, so what's your point? 70 penalties, 461 rushing plays, and 675 passing plays. None of which changes the fact that they should been called for a lot more than just 70 and given the number of plays they ran from scrimmage, the Donks being ranked 7th in most penalties is quite misleading. Also proves they didn't play against any legit Defenses, as the SB also proved.

You are incorrect. eydugstr and I have discussed that here on this forum before, amongst other dirty tactics that Donkeys blockers were getting away with at that time, all taught to them by an O-Line coach named Alex Gibbs You simply haven't been paying attention. Are you really dumb enough to believe Schlereth's statement that they wore greasy substance to "get the refs attention so that they'd make the correct calls in the trench". That's a crock of BS. Defenders have always been allowed to grab Offensive blockers on running plays & opposing O-Lineman on passing plays since the game was invented and that has never changed. If the refs made the proper call, they would have ejected the Donks O-Lineman from the game because that is a blatant violation of league rules, same as using stickum which got outlawed in the early '80's. They weren't even made to take those jerseys off in that game & all they did was wipe them with towels. Schlereth is just being a clever liar like his twin brothers Elway and Bowlen.

And everybody saw what happened to Terrel Davis in '99 when those dirty blocking tactics were taken away from them. Davis got the living hell beaten out of him and didn't last 4 games into the '99 season and his career was essentially over.

Running away due to the difficulty you seem to be having refuting a whole slew of valid points that I've made, are we?

Well since you don't want to to drop i guess we shall continue.

Yes i'm going to take a fellow chiefs fan opinion about denver being the team that gets away with the most calls without any evidence other than 2 pictures. That's like a philly fan saying cowboys get away with all the calls but doesn't want to prove it. Why would i subscribe to NFL Rewind? Why would i want to watch every bronco game, or pakcers game, or 49ers game. Is it safe to say you're a broncos fan because you watch all their games? Believe in your fantasy land that denver gets every call.

Also the dude who told me about the article about the trenches and vassoline was a Pittsburgh fan (a team that beat denver in the regular season and then lost in the post season).

But please continue your hatred for denver, continue the conspiracy that denver is getting away with every call known to man. It's enjoyable, go get your stack of Denver games on VHS and re watch them and tell me which game they got away with calls other than a chiefs game.

I'm surprised you haven't gone to name calling yet, which you like to do, but i think you can't because you'll get in trouble again.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 12:39 PM

No, it that's in ADDITION to a lot of other things you've posted that's making you less of a fan.

And what addition is that, not being chiefs fan that full on hates everything denver, oakland and SD does.

brdempsey69

03-21-2014, 03:41 PM

The Broncos getting an easy start those years is not a conspiracy to give them an advantage. Its to have favorable TV matchups during the stretch drive to the playoffs. There's a reason BAL and PIT don't usually play each other until the second half of the season. The NFL is banking both teams will be good and in a playoff run. Makes for better TV viewership.

How the hell would you know that for certain? Were you there in the league office when the schedule was made? Can you provide a transcript of all the conversations that went on at that time? Of course not, and therefore nobody really knows what went down at that time. I'm not buying into that TV ratings BS. It doesn't refute any of the points that I made, nor does BAL vs PIT have anything to do with it. If something fishy wasn't going on at that time, then why would Al Davis lead an investigation that turned up salary cap violations for which the Donkeys were fined and lost draft picks?

Anybody that would believe that things couldn't be manipulated by the league office, if they so chose to do so, is being a complete naive idiot. Governments and institutions have been corrupt for centuries world-wide. WWE is already known for rigging their wrestling matches. Why would anybody believe that the NFL league office is incapable of scripting something, if they choose to do so?

It'll be intesesting to see who the Donkeys first 6 or 7 opponents are when the schedule is released & it will come as no surprise to me if they don't have to play either in Seattle or NE or Cincy in those first 6 or 7 games.

Eydugstr

03-21-2014, 04:39 PM

And what addition is that, not being chiefs fan that full on hates everything denver, oakland and SD does.

You need to ask ?!?! Lame. Again, another example of you trying to make a crack to get another argument going. Thank you.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 04:47 PM

You need to ask ?!?! Lame. Again, another example of you trying to make a crack to get another argument going. Thank you.

Yet 2 poster (who are probably the some of the best posters on this site) back me up as a chiefs fan. Just because i don't think think denver is the number 1 team to get away with calls, and think that they're doing the right thing for their team, and that i think its better just to move forward from something that happen 17 years ago and worry about what the chiefs should do now, doesnt make me less of a chiefs fan. I have not said one bad thing about the chiefs in here.

On Paper, yes i think 7-9 is what i'm predicting but predictions change over time. I think eric winston threw a whole fanbase under the bus when he said "you have 70,000 people cheering an injury", it was a bunch of drunk idiots cheering for it and the rest was for a first down play and then cheering that cassel got up and then cheering that brady was coming in.

But go ahead question if i'm a fan or not.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 04:54 PM

How the hell would you know that for certain? Were you there in the league office when the schedule was made? Can you provide a transcript of all the conversations that went on at that time? Of course not, and therefore nobody really knows what went down at that time. I'm not buying into that TV ratings BS. It doesn't refute any of the points that I made, nor does BAL vs PIT have anything to do with it. If something fishy wasn't going on at that time, then why would Al Davis lead an investigation that turned up salary cap violations for which the Donkeys were fined and lost draft picks?

Anybody that would believe that things couldn't be manipulated by the league office, if they so chose to do so, is being a complete naive idiot. Governments and institutions have been corrupt for centuries world-wide. WWE is already known for rigging their wrestling matches. Why would anybody believe that the NFL league office is incapable of scripting something, if they choose to do so?

It'll be intesesting to see who the Donkeys first 6 or 7 opponents are when the schedule is released & it will come as no surprise to me if they don't have to play either in Seattle or NE or Cincy in those first 6 or 7 games.

The broncos will play 1 or 2 AFC west games in the first 8 games, they'll play the majority of the AFC West during the last 8 (just like the NFL has been trying to do, getting all the division games on the later part of the schedule, and putting the primetime games that will pull in money on sunday and monday night) Seattle vs denver, SF vs Den, Den vs KC (1 of them), Den vs NE, Den vs Indy will all be a primetime game (sunday or monday). Maybe seattle vs denver in seattle will be the kick off game aswell. KC will get SF and Den as primetime games, maybe also NE.

They have to seperate the primetime games out so that the best match ups are played on monday and sunday night for the $$$$$$$$

Eydugstr

03-21-2014, 05:31 PM

matthewschiefs

03-21-2014, 06:00 PM

Yet 2 poster (who are probably the some of the best posters on this site) back me up as a chiefs fan. Just because i don't think think denver is the number 1 team to get away with calls, and think that they're doing the right thing for their team, and that i think its better just to move forward from something that happen 17 years ago and worry about what the chiefs should do now, doesnt make me less of a chiefs fan. I have not said one bad thing about the chiefs in here.

On Paper, yes i think 7-9 is what i'm predicting but predictions change over time. I think eric winston threw a whole fanbase under the bus when he said "you have 70,000 people cheering an injury", it was a bunch of drunk idiots cheering for it and the rest was for a first down play and then cheering that cassel got up and then cheering that brady was coming in.

But go ahead question if i'm a fan or not.

The broncos will play 1 or 2 AFC west games in the first 8 games, they'll play the majority of the AFC West during the last 8 (just like the NFL has been trying to do, getting all the division games on the later part of the schedule, and putting the primetime games that will pull in money on sunday and monday night) Seattle vs denver, SF vs Den, Den vs KC (1 of them), Den vs NE, Den vs Indy will all be a primetime game (sunday or monday). Maybe seattle vs denver in seattle will be the kick off game aswell. KC will get SF and Den as primetime games, maybe also NE.

They have to seperate the primetime games out so that the best match ups are played on monday and sunday night for the $$$$$$$$

Going to cover a few different things here.

1st Eric Winston I'm not going to bring him in the same way doobs did but he is a prime example of the offseason meaning very little. Does everyone remember two years ago at this time. How excited we were when he signed in KC? I do. I was the one that kept checking twitter every couple of minutes to see if he signed then rushed on here to post the tweet. How did that work out? All these offseason moves are great right now can be a whole different story when it comes time to start playing the games again. Winston is a prime example of what I've said in that regard.

2nd the NFL did years ago start moving division matchups to later in the season. They at that time didn't think it was best when two teams were fighting for the division crown in week 17 and one team had a division rival to play and the other had a team that had nothing to play for and clearly didn't care about that game. That wasn't a move to help Denver at all. That's something that they did and I actually liked that move.

I do think right now Denver gets more calls then anyone I will say. IMO the NFL wants Manning to have his Elway run around the stadium moment to end his career. They still milk that Elway moment at times to this very day so they want anther and they are willing to lend a helping hand. But I also think there are other teams that get calls so they are not alone in that. If you have a star Qb you are going to get calls that's just how the NFL works. I wish it was different but it is what it is.

brdempsey69

03-21-2014, 06:00 PM

I'd agree we have some great posters on this site. But for a fan, you certainly have a funny way of showing it. I've posted that before, too. In your above quote, you say you've said "not one bad thing about the chiefs.." then, in the SAME POST, turn around and criticize a former Chief for sticking up for his team's QB, in response for him getting ELECTED by his fellow players to represent them in a union. Right now you're just trying to drag this out for all it's worth.

You can tell by his posts he's either got LSD suppositories down to an art form or he's had one too many intimate sessions with his neighbors dog. The way he contradicts himself and rips things out of context is enough for anybody see that he ain't playing with a full deck.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 06:06 PM

You can tell by his posts he's either got LSD suppositories down to an art form or he's had one too many intimate sessions with his neighbors dog. The way he contradicts himself and rips things out of context is enough for anybody see that he ain't playing with a full deck.

What part of me saying winston threw the fanbase under the bus is bad? Did he not?

He could of said "You have some fans cheering for an injury" but no he said "you have 70,000 people cheering" There was not 70,000 cheering, ESPN and every sports talk went on to say "KC is full of classless fans", i remember when it happen people were saying that winston was wrong to call the whole fanbase out.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 06:23 PM

He also probably got the cheers mixed up with the first down call ( like i said before) and when people looked over and saw cassel on the ground, they got quiet. Yes there was a few people probably cheering for cassel, but i do not believe 70,000 or 7,000 fans were cheering for cassel's injury. They cheered when he got up and walked off and cheered for Brady coming in (like i stated before).

i'm calling out a player for making the wrong assumption that everyone was cheering for cassel's injury. He was right to be mad at the select few that actually did, not the majority of fans that didn't

Eydugstr

03-21-2014, 06:29 PM

Going to cover a few different things here.

1st Eric Winston I'm not going to bring him in the same way doobs did but he is a prime example of the offseason meaning very little. Does everyone remember two years ago at this time. How excited we were when he signed in KC? I do. I was the one that kept checking twitter every couple of minutes to see if he signed then rushed on here to post the tweet. How did that work out? All these offseason moves are great right now can be a whole different story when it comes time to start playing the games again. Winston is a prime example of what I've said in that regard.

2nd the NFL did years ago start moving division matchups to later in the season. They at that time didn't think it was best when two teams were fighting for the division crown in week 17 and one team had a division rival to play and the other had a team that had nothing to play for and clearly didn't care about that game. That wasn't a move to help Denver at all. That's something that they did and I actually liked that move.

I do think right now Denver gets more calls then anyone I will say. IMO the NFL wants Manning to have his Elway run around the stadium moment to end his career. They still milk that Elway moment at times to this very day so they want anther and they are willing to lend a helping hand. But I also think there are other teams that get calls so they are not alone in that. If you have a star Qb you are going to get calls that's just how the NFL works. I wish it was different but it is what it is.

Agreed about the Eric Winston signing. Pioli finally woke up & smelled the coffee and decided KC needed some O-line help, and drafted Allen and Stephenson as well. Unfortunately it was for a Brian Daboll helmed offense that didn't have a true backup center. We were really luck to have Lilja step in and do the job he did, as bad as that season was it could've gone worse if we hadn't drafted & signed the O-line help that year.

Do think that Mongo has a point, which also goes in hand with what you're saying about NFL "Golden boys". It's a business. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that the scheduling has to filter it's way through the marketing departments before it's all approved. People want to see the big name QB's go head to head with other big name QB's or big name Defenses, and are more willing to part with the $$'s when it happens.

matthewschiefs

03-21-2014, 06:37 PM

Agreed about the Eric Winston signing. Pioli finally woke up & smelled the coffee and decided KC needed some O-line help, and drafted Allen and Stephenson as well. Unfortunately it was for a Brian Daboll helmed offense that didn't have a true backup center. We were really luck to have Lilja step in and do the job he did, as bad as that season was it could've gone worse if we hadn't drafted & signed the O-line help that year.

Do think that Mongo has a point, which also goes in hand with what you're saying about NFL "Golden boys". It's a business. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that the scheduling has to filter it's way through the marketing departments before it's all approved. People want to see the big name QB's go head to head with other big name QB's or big name Defenses, and are more willing to part with the $$'s when it happens.

I'm not one to make a huge deal out of the scheduling. The only time I think it matters is in the case I stated the end of the year when you have some teams that have nothing to play for and they don't give the same effort as they would otherwise. The only thing I see marketing for the scheduling is making sure that every one of the networks gets a big game or two.

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 06:40 PM

I'm not one to make a huge deal out of the scheduling. The only time I think it matters is in the case I stated the end of the year when you have some teams that have nothing to play for and they don't give the same effort as they would otherwise. The only thing I see marketing for the scheduling is making sure that every one of the networks gets a big game or two.

They will never give the lesser teams (Jax, Cleveland, Buff, Oak, ect../teams that had losing records) a sunday or monday night, but they'll give them a thursday night game (which they should get rid of or allow teams to have a bye before the thursday night game). Also, SF will not be playing any Monday night games with the new stadium. Won't be surprised if they have 3-5 sunday night games and they're the first sunday night game.

brdempsey69

03-21-2014, 06:54 PM

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 07:01 PM

I was referring to a WHOLE LOT more than just the comments about Winston, and I suspect you know that.

Could point it out then.

Just know i'm not like you, i don't go on a witch hunt on a rival team for what happen 17 years ago. I don't assume denver is the only team getting away with every call (like others have said, if you have a Star QB , you're going to get the calls). You live on consipracy that denver wins because the NFL wants them to win. Your evidence for getting away with calls has been 2 pictures so far and telling me to get on nfl rewind and watch denver games.

Eydugstr

03-21-2014, 07:12 PM

What part of me saying winston threw the fanbase under the bus is bad? Did he not?

He could of said "You have some fans cheering for an injury" but no he said "you have 70,000 people cheering" There was not 70,000 cheering, ESPN and every sports talk went on to say "KC is full of classless fans", i remember when it happen people were saying that winston was wrong to call the whole fanbase out.

Actually Brd's post was more centered around the question of drug usage, and yeah I'm beginning to ponder that one, too.

What the hell was Eric Winston SUPPOSED to do ?!? Go into the stands, take a consensus? He's an offensive lineman who looks back, sees his (overly criticized) QB down, and hears an audience cheering. HE CALLED IT AS HE SAW IT.

As for term "Threw KC fanbase under the bus..." The first time I'd that description was courtesy of wonderful ESPN. Which, oddly enough, have a good number of ex-broncos on the payroll. How many former Chiefs work for ESPN? Very few.

Again, it's really interesting that YOU are focusing on a very negative moment in KC history, repeat the same message a Broncos supporting media pounded into our heads over and over and over at that time. Do you understand the picture you are painting of yourself?

doobs_05

03-21-2014, 07:21 PM

Actually Brd's post was more centered around the question of drug usage, and yeah I'm beginning to ponder that one, too.

What the hell was Eric Winston SUPPOSED to do ?!? Go into the stands, take a consensus? He's an offensive lineman who looks back, sees his (overly criticized) QB down, and hears an audience cheering. HE CALLED IT AS HE SAW IT.

As for term "Threw KC fanbase under the bus..." The first time I'd that description was courtesy of wonderful ESPN. Which, oddly enough, have a good number of ex-broncos on the payroll. How many former Chiefs work for ESPN? Very few.

Again, it's really interesting that YOU are focusing on a very negative moment in KC history, repeat the same message a Broncos supporting media pounded into our heads over and over and over at that time. Do you understand the picture you are painting of yourself?

Yeah because the head of ESPN, CBS, FOX, ABC, NBC, whatever canada has for sports network all are run by bronco fans/former players.

how far does this consipracy thing go. No one on ESPN or anywhere every said winston threw the fanbase under the bus, espn and all them liked what winston did, they stood up for him. This is getting crazy if you think because some bronco players are on ESPN that they said "hey lets make winston look good (a chiefs player) but make the fan base look bad". That is ****ING INSANE to think that.

Winston did the right thing to stick up for the QB, but he went off the rails when he said "70,000". Fans were not happy that he did that.

matthewschiefs

03-21-2014, 07:57 PM

The Winston thing He made a mistake doing the right thing. When Cassel went down there clearly were not 70,000 people cheering that he was down. And the loudest cheer came when Cassel got up. There were some that yes cheered him being hurt and he was right to call them out. I think in the heat of the moment he just made a mistake in how he phrased it. But that was 2 years ago I can's say i think of it much at all anymore

brdempsey69

03-21-2014, 10:39 PM

Could point it out then.

Just know i'm not like you, i don't go on a witch hunt on a rival team for what happen 17 years ago. I don't assume denver is the only team getting away with every call (like others have said, if you have a Star QB , you're going to get the calls). You live on consipracy that denver wins because the NFL wants them to win. Your evidence for getting away with calls has been 2 pictures so far and telling me to get on nfl rewind and watch denver games.

Witch hunt, your aching a$$. Just simply calling it like I see it. Others are also calling it the same way, like Hawks fans did in the SB. Obviously, just like a typical Donkeys fan would do, you seem to be getting all puked out about somebody telling the truth about the Donkeys. There's been more evidence pointed out to you than just 2 pictures & why do sound so fearful about actually going and watching the games via NFL Game Rewind? If you're not watching the games, then how can rightfully refute anything that's been said?

Star QB's don't always get the calls. That's a crock of BS. I can't recall Joe Montana getting the calls. Show me one example where he got the calls. Or Dan Marino. Or Jim Kelly. Or Troy Aikman. Or Steve Young. Or Brett Favre. Didn't happen.

JPPT1974

03-21-2014, 11:40 PM

Well people have their reasons for signing people. May be dumb or not. But they have their reasons!

Mongo

03-22-2014, 07:42 AM

How the hell would you know that for certain? Were you there in the league office when the schedule was made? Can you provide a transcript of all the conversations that went on at that time? Of course not, and therefore nobody really knows what went down at that time. I'm not buying into that TV ratings BS. It doesn't refute any of the points that I made, nor does BAL vs PIT have anything to do with it. If something fishy wasn't going on at that time, then why would Al Davis lead an investigation that turned up salary cap violations for which the Donkeys were fined and lost draft picks?

Anybody that would believe that things couldn't be manipulated by the league office, if they so chose to do so, is being a complete naive idiot. Governments and institutions have been corrupt for centuries world-wide. WWE is already known for rigging their wrestling matches. Why would anybody believe that the NFL league office is incapable of scripting something, if they choose to do so?

It'll be intesesting to see who the Donkeys first 6 or 7 opponents are when the schedule is released & it will come as no surprise to me if they don't have to play either in Seattle or NE or Cincy in those first 6 or 7 games.
Because it makes sense and nothing you say on this matter does. The league is guilty of one thing, and they confess to it, doing everything possible to make money for the NFL. That doesn't mean scripting games or having referees turn the other way. If there were a league wide conspiracy don't you think it would have leaked by now?

Stacking the schedule for better late season prime time games is smart business. Furthermore, the league wants more scoring. Its curved the rules making it next to impossible to play pass defense. Why? Not because they love Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Because they cater to legions of fantasy weenies and casual fans who can't appreciate the beauty of 10-7 slugfest.

brdempsey69

03-22-2014, 11:22 AM

Because it makes sense and nothing you say on this matter does. The league is guilty of one thing, and they confess to it, doing everything possible to make money for the NFL. That doesn't mean scripting games or having referees turn the other way. If there were a league wide conspiracy don't you think it would have leaked by now?

Stacking the schedule for better late season prime time games is smart business. Furthermore, the league wants more scoring. Its curved the rules making it next to impossible to play pass defense. Why? Not because they love Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Because they cater to legions of fantasy weenies and casual fans who can't appreciate the beauty of 10-7 slugfest.

That's absolute BS. What I said makes perfect sense. What I had said about the Donkeys not having to play any teams in their park that had made the playoffs the year before in the first 6 or 7 games, did indeed happen in '97 and '98 and 2013 ( Ex Donkey LB Tom Jackson has pointed out that history favors the Donks getting to the SB when they start 6-0 and I looked it up and he's right ). That was not the case in 2012. All your stupid talk about TV ratins doesn't change that fact. How is that you say what I said doesn't make sense when it did happen for a fact, and yet you use the phrase "stacking the schedule" in the next paragraph. A blind man with a cane can see the contradiction there.

Justin5772002

03-22-2014, 03:24 PM

That's absolute BS. What I said makes perfect sense. What I had said about the Donkeys not having to play any teams in their park that had made the playoffs the year before in the first 6 or 7 games, did indeed happen in '97 and '98 and 2013 ( Ex Donkey LB Tom Jackson has pointed out that history favors the Donks getting to the SB when they start 6-0 and I looked it up and he's right ). That was not the case in 2012. All your stupid talk about TV ratins doesn't change that fact. How is that you say what I said doesn't make sense when it did happen for a fact, and yet you use the phrase "stacking the schedule" in the next paragraph. A blind man with a cane can see the contradiction there.
We are on a level playing field. Last year we had the perfect easy schedual just like the Donks. Believe what you want but quit trying to beat it into peoples skulls. As far as calls, yeah broncos and all the high profile stars get calls because they are money makers. Seahawks won a Super Bowl with little "star power" means we have more to overcome, but we can do it

brdempsey69

03-22-2014, 03:29 PM

We are on a level playing field. Last year we had the perfect easy schedual just like the Donks. Believe what you want but quit trying to beat it into peoples skulls. As far as calls, yeah broncos and all the high profile stars get calls because they are money makers. Seahawks won a Super Bowl with little "star power" means we have more to overcome, but we can do it

The answer to that is a resounding NO !! If you don't like it, that's your problem. Pass it on by and don't read it, if it bothers you.

Rest assured that anyone's feelings being hurt by it is the least of my worries.

Justin5772002

03-22-2014, 07:32 PM

Justin5772002

03-22-2014, 07:38 PM

Hey Brdempsey, Broncos won the Super Bowl in 97 & 98. Nobody took their trophies away 17 years later even being able to prove whatever it is. Cheating or not what's done is done we cannot get those ones back. Can we complain every time we get cheated now in this moment? You bet! But I can care less about turd Elway and how much he got away with. Back then

brdempsey69

03-22-2014, 08:07 PM

Feelings hurt? Not even close. You are just embarrassing yourself by how annoying and rediculous you sound. It's not that you don't have valid points, but people are just saying things to light you up and you play right into their hands.

Dream on. I like to debate. Especially when they can't refute what I'm saying. Nobody is being lit up or playing into anyone's hands. In case you didn't notice, this is a discussion board. There is no shame or embarrassment in telling the gospel truth, and I don't know where you'd get the idea there is other than foolishly trying to guilt induce me. Nice try, but you fail.

Hey Brdempsey, Broncos won the Super Bowl in 97 & 98. Nobody took their trophies away 17 years later even being able to prove whatever it is. Cheating or not what's done is done we cannot get those ones back. Can we complain every time we get cheated now in this moment? You bet! But I can care less about turd Elway and how much he got away with. Back then

Hey Justine. Donkeys didn't win those SB's outright in '97 and '98 and I've already provided a slew of points as to why, and I know I'm not alone in those thoughts & others have posted such at many other sites. Your talking this dumb trash like there's some sort of obligation by all NFL fans to honor the '97 and '98 Donkeys as outright champions, but I got news for you. Nobody is obligated to do that & anyone has every right point out the truth about what really happened & rightfully DISHONOR them. You seem to have trouble figuring that out & now you know.

Mongo

03-22-2014, 09:12 PM

That's absolute BS. What I said makes perfect sense. What I had said about the Donkeys not having to play any teams in their park that had made the playoffs the year before in the first 6 or 7 games, did indeed happen in '97 and '98 and 2013 ( Ex Donkey LB Tom Jackson has pointed out that history favors the Donks getting to the SB when they start 6-0 and I looked it up and he's right ). That was not the case in 2012. All your stupid talk about TV ratins doesn't change that fact. How is that you say what I said doesn't make sense when it did happen for a fact, and yet you use the phrase "stacking the schedule" in the next paragraph. A blind man with a cane can see the contradiction there.
No one is debating that they had an easy start. Just your irrational belief that there was some conspiracy guided at giving them a pass. You show true ignorance dismissing any consideration that the league tries to save favorable TV match ups and games with potential playoff ramifications for late in the season. If not why did they introduce flex scheduling?

Its clear none of this "stupid talk" will convince you. Be sure to check under your bed for the boogie man before sleepy time.

brdempsey69

03-22-2014, 11:01 PM

No one is debating that they had an easy start. Just your irrational belief that there was some conspiracy guided at giving them a pass. You show true ignorance dismissing any consideration that the league tries to save favorable TV match ups and games with potential playoff ramifications for late in the season. If not why did they introduce flex scheduling?

The ignorance is clearly on your side. Flexible TV scheduling has nothing to do with a team finishing 13-3, 12-4, and 13-3 getting ridiculously easy schedules the next year to start their seasons. What you're calling an "irrational belief" is only telling me that your mind is being blinded somehow to the very real possibilities of it. I just looked at the 2013 schedule and every team that won their division in 2012 had to play an opponent in their park that had also been in postseason in 2012 within the first 6 games of their schedule, except the Donkeys. So much for the BS flexible TV scheduling theory that you're trying to sell me.

Its clear none of this "stupid talk" will convince you. Be sure to check under your bed for the boogie man before sleepy time.

And be sure to have your mommy give you a Baby-Pat-A-Burp doll to put on your shoulder, so that can cry on it's shoulder, because you can't stomach somebody telling like it is.

matthewschiefs

03-22-2014, 11:56 PM

Mongo

03-23-2014, 12:32 AM

The ignorance is clearly on your side. Flexible TV scheduling has nothing to do with a team finishing 13-3, 12-4, and 13-3 getting ridiculously easy schedules the next year to start their seasons. What you're calling an "irrational belief" is only telling me that your mind is being blinded somehow to the very real possibilities of it. I just looked at the 2013 schedule and every team that won their division in 2012 had to play an opponent in their park that had also been in postseason in 2012 within the first 6 games of their schedule, except the Donkeys. So much for the BS flexible TV scheduling theory that you're trying to sell me.

And be sure to have your mommy give you a Baby-Pat-A-Burp doll to put on your shoulder, so that can cry on it's shoulder, because you can't stomach somebody telling like it is.
When someone actually tells me "how it is" I'll give Mom a call if I can't. Pretty sure you haven't. Not that I really care about events from 1997. I just find ridiculous conspiracy theories amusing.

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 12:43 AM

While I agree with Brdempsey in large part about Denvers O line and cap issues I think he's a bit overboard with the schedule thing.

Denver got the schedule they did because that's just how it worked out. They got an easy schedule because the teams they happened to be playing in the division matchups favored the AFC west over the NFC east. The NFL can't be for sure what teams are going to be good any given year so it's really tough for them to stack the deck with the schedule. And Denver did open with the Super Bowl champs at home last year. And the Ravens were a solid team in the playoff hunt until the end of the season. So one this issue I don't think it's Denver getting special treatment from the league it just worked out how it did.

Matt, read this again, carefully:

I just looked at the 2013 schedule and every team that won their division in 2012 had to play an opponent in their park that had also been in postseason in 2012 within the first 6 games of their schedule, except the Donkeys.

It does raise the question as to why the Donks were the exception, now doesn't it? You yourself had said something to the effect that the Ravens should have been hosting that game regarding the Donks instead of the other way around. You yourself was the first one on these forums to point out the multiple officiating gaffs regarding the Donkeys in their game against Dallas. And you didn't see me saying you were going overboard.

Do note that the Donks had to play in ATL and NE in 2012, within their first 6 games and lost and then they did go on a 11 game winning streak to capture home-field advantage. Okay, no problem, they earned it outright and there weren't any discussions about officiating gaffs occurring in their favor during the 2012 season -- because it wasn't happening. But, once the playoffs started, what happened? One and done, just like 1996 when the Donks went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, only to have the Jags beat them in the opening round. The '96 Donks did play a road game against a team that made the playoffs the year before -- the Chiefs and lost.

I've never said the league was conspiring to favor the Donks by giving them an easy schedule to start the season in '97, '98, and 2013 ( maybe they did, maybe they didn't -- nobody here can truthfully say they know for certain ), but the fact is the Donks did get easy schedules to start all three of those seasons and going into those seasons one could easily see they were VERY likely going to get off fast starts, which raises the obvious question regarding their schedules -- WHY? Why no games in an opponents park that had made the playoffs the season before when it's quite routine for teams that win their division the year before to have to play a road game against an opponent that had made the post-season the previous year ( very rare that they don't )?

When someone actually tells me "how it is" I'll give Mom a call if I can't. Pretty sure you haven't. Not that I really care about events from 1997. I just find ridiculous conspiracy theories amusing.

I find your stupid theories to support your argument ( TV flexible scheduling) even more amusing. I have told like it was. I stated to the effect that if one believes that the league office is without spot or blemish and 100% honest in everything they do, then one is a naive idiot and you've proven just that to be so.

matthewschiefs

03-23-2014, 01:02 AM

Matt, read this again, carefully:

It does raise the question as to why the Donks were the exception, now doesn't it? You yourself had said something to the effect that the Ravens should have been hosting that game regarding the Donks instead of the other way around. You yourself was the first one on these forums to point out the multiple officiating gaffs regarding the Donkeys in their game against Dallas. And you didn't see me saying you were going overboard.

Do note that the Donks had to play in ATL and NE in 2012, within their first 6 games and lost and then they did go on a 11 game winning streak to capture home-field advantage. Okay, no problem, they earned it outright and there weren't any discussions about officiating gaffs occurring in their favor during the 2012 season -- because it wasn't happening. But, once the playoffs started, what happened? One and done, just like 1996 when the Donks went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, only to have the Jags beat them in the opening round. The '96 Donks did play a road game against a team that made the playoffs the year before -- the Chiefs and lost.

I've never said the league was conspiring to favor the Donks by giving them an easy schedule to start the season in '97, '98, and 2013 ( maybe they did, maybe they didn't -- nobody here can truthfully say they know for certain ), but the fact is the Donks did get easy schedules to start all three of those seasons and going into those seasons one could easily see they were VERY likely going to get off fast starts, which raises the obvious question regarding their schedules -- WHY? Why no games in an opponents park that had made the playoffs the season before when it's quite routine for teams that win their division the year before to have to play a road game against an opponent that had made the post-season the previous year ( very rare that they don't )?

I understood what you were saying I guess it's a matter of what do you put more stock in a division title or a super bowl title. IMO playing the defending super champs is right up there with a division champ. If you think otherwise then I will just agree to disagree there. I did think that the Ravens should have hosted the opener and still think it's silly that they didn't since they had a ball park full of people watching it on the big screen. But the Ravens would have still had to play Denver in Denver that wouldn't have changed at all. The Ravens would have hosted the opener against someone else not Devner But I will say again IMO the NFL can't sit there and predict what teams are going to be good any given year. The schedule even comes out before the draft has taken place. I just don't think they can stack the deck. Just because a team won the division a year ago doesn't mean they are going to be a top team the fallowing year. As we have seen sometimes a team can go from worst to first. So I just don't think the league can give a team a helping hand with the schedule. You just don't know what teams are going to be good any given year.

And I did call out the refs for the calls Denver got throughout the year. Again I said I agree with you on Denver getting calls. It's just the schedule aspect to it that I think is a reach.

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 02:48 AM

I understood what you were saying I guess it's a matter of what do you put more stock in a division title or a super bowl title. IMO playing the defending super champs is right up there with a division champ. If you think otherwise then I will just agree to disagree there. I did think that the Ravens should have hosted the opener and still think it's silly that they didn't since they had a ball park full of people watching it on the big screen. But the Ravens would have still had to play Denver in Denver that wouldn't have changed at all. The Ravens would have hosted the opener against someone else not Devner But I will say again IMO the NFL can't sit there and predict what teams are going to be good any given year. The schedule even comes out before the draft has taken place. I just don't think they can stack the deck. Just because a team won the division a year ago doesn't mean they are going to be a top team the fallowing year. As we have seen sometimes a team can go from worst to first. So I just don't think the league can give a team a helping hand with the schedule. You just don't know what teams are going to be good any given year.

And I did call out the refs for the calls Denver got throughout the year. Again I said I agree with you on Denver getting calls. It's just the schedule aspect to it that I think is a reach.

This is true that they don't have 100% certainty what teams are going to be good or bad from one year to the next, but the main point is this:

"Why no games in an opponents park during the first 6 weeks of the Donks schedule that had made the playoffs the season before when it's quite routine for teams that win their division the year before to have to play a road game against an opponent that had made the post-season the previous year ( very rare that they don't )?"

They do know who has been in the post-season the year prior. And nobody can buy into the "TV flexible scheduling" theory. How do we know that the schedule is built one week at a time or exactly how it's built from year to year? None of us do. It's not a question of agreement or disagreement, because I'm saying the possibility is there, and one's belief or disbelief doesn't eliminate that existing possibility.

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 03:42 AM

Mongo

03-23-2014, 07:35 AM

Matt, read this again, carefully:

It does raise the question as to why the Donks were the exception, now doesn't it? You yourself had said something to the effect that the Ravens should have been hosting that game regarding the Donks instead of the other way around. You yourself was the first one on these forums to point out the multiple officiating gaffs regarding the Donkeys in their game against Dallas. And you didn't see me saying you were going overboard.

Do note that the Donks had to play in ATL and NE in 2012, within their first 6 games and lost and then they did go on a 11 game winning streak to capture home-field advantage. Okay, no problem, they earned it outright and there weren't any discussions about officiating gaffs occurring in their favor during the 2012 season -- because it wasn't happening. But, once the playoffs started, what happened? One and done, just like 1996 when the Donks went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, only to have the Jags beat them in the opening round. The '96 Donks did play a road game against a team that made the playoffs the year before -- the Chiefs and lost.

I've never said the league was conspiring to favor the Donks by giving them an easy schedule to start the season in '97, '98, and 2013 ( maybe they did, maybe they didn't -- nobody here can truthfully say they know for certain ), but the fact is the Donks did get easy schedules to start all three of those seasons and going into those seasons one could easily see they were VERY likely going to get off fast starts, which raises the obvious question regarding their schedules -- WHY? Why no games in an opponents park that had made the playoffs the season before when it's quite routine for teams that win their division the year before to have to play a road game against an opponent that had made the post-season the previous year ( very rare that they don't )?

I find your stupid theories to support your argument ( TV flexible scheduling) even more amusing. I have told like it was. I stated to the effect that if one believes that the league office is without spot or blemish and 100% honest in everything they do, then one is a naive idiot and you've proven just that to be so.
LOL. You lost me at "stupid talk". You've proven to be someone who, if they cannot convince someone of their preposterous theories, resorts to insulting them. Every board has a guy like you. Glad you showed yourself early in my time here.

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 11:42 AM

Whoa! Wait a minute there BRDEMPSY! You say that you tell it like it is? Are you calling yourself GOD? Saying your word is Gospel? You have psych issues that you need to have checked by a therapist. Nobody's word is Gospel except the LORD himself

Don't be an idiot. I never implied any such thing. No clue where you're coming from with that one, but not only are you way off base, but not even remotely in the ballpark.

Sounds like the proverbial copout of "can't attack the message, so attack the messenger". Doesn't refute anything I said regarding the Donkeys tainted SB appearances. Why don't you try the correct course of proving what I've said to be false beyond a shadow of a doubt, instead of false accusations.

LOL. You lost me at "stupid talk". You've proven to be someone who, if they cannot convince someone of their preposterous theories, resorts to insulting them. Every board has a guy like you. Glad you showed yourself early in my time here.

And every board has someone like you that comes with their stupid talk and talk this dumb trash like their opinion should be taken for fact. I must say I thoroughly enjoy shooting bullet holes in their stupid talk.

Peoples exhibit A regarding your stupid talk from another thread:

"Jenkins and Hemingway are not the answer" <--your own words. Nobody know what will happen with either of those guys in 2014. Hemingway could very well become a solid regular contributor in 2014. Jenkins might become the regular slot WR and upgrade the position. Who thought going into 2013, that WR Riley Cooper in Philly would be become a regular contributor to the point that after the 2013 seasons end he would be getting a lucrative contract? Nobody. And yet you're talking this dumb trash regarding Jenkins and Hemingway like the 2014 games have already been played. Nobody knows as of yet, whether these guys will bolster the Chiefs receiving core in 2014 or ultimately prove that it's time to part ways and move on -- that has yet to be determined.

I remember one guy just like you, last year at kansascity.com bashing Alex Smith and saying stuff such as he guaranteed that Chiefs would be picking top 5 in the 2014 because of Alex and that the Chiefs would draft a QB.
You sound just like him.

Mongo

03-23-2014, 12:26 PM

Don't be an idiot. I never implied any such thing. No clue where you're coming from with that one, but not only are you way off base, but not even remotely in the ballpark.

Sounds like the proverbial copout of "can't attack the message, so attack the messenger". Doesn't refute anything I said regarding the Donkeys tainted SB appearances. Why don't you try the correct course of proving what I've said to be false beyond a shadow of a doubt, instead of false accusations.

And every board has someone like you that comes with their stupid talk and talk this dumb trash like their opinion should be taken for fact. I must say I thoroughly enjoy shooting bullet holes in their stupid talk.

Peoples exhibit A regarding your stupid talk from another thread:

"Jenkins and Hemingway are not the answer" <--your own words. Nobody know what will happen with either of those guys in 2014. Hemingway could very well become a solid regular contributor in 2014. Jenkins might become the regular slot WR and upgrade the position. Who thought going into 2013, that WR Riley Cooper in Philly would be become a regular contributor to the point that after the 2013 seasons end he would be getting a lucrative contract? Nobody. And yet you're talking this dumb trash regarding Jenkins and Hemingway like the 2014 games have already been played. Nobody knows as of yet, whether these guys will bolster the Chiefs receiving core in 2014 or ultimately prove that it's time to part ways and move on -- that has yet to be determined.

I remember one guy just like you, last year at kansascity.com bashing Alex Smith and saying stuff such as he guaranteed that Chiefs would be picking top 5 in the 2014 because of Alex and that the Chiefs would draft a QB.
You sound just like him.
That's called an opinion, junior. I don't preface everything I say with IMO. That doesn't mean I pose it as fact. I have confidence in my opinion.

If Hemingway and Jenkins become regular contributors and even All-Pro performers, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong, happily. Because the Chiefs will benefit. Until then neither has done anything in their career to lead me to believe this will change. It is likely I'm right and those who hope these guys, and Sanders Commings and Mike Catapano make it will be disappointed.

Until then you run along and continue to think you proven or disproven something. All you've proven is that you are delusional and in need of clinical treatment.

matthewschiefs

03-23-2014, 01:02 PM

This is true that they don't have 100% certainty what teams are going to be good or bad from one year to the next, but the main point is this:

"Why no games in an opponents park during the first 6 weeks of the Donks schedule that had made the playoffs the season before when it's quite routine for teams that win their division the year before to have to play a road game against an opponent that had made the post-season the previous year ( very rare that they don't )?"

They do know who has been in the post-season the year prior. And nobody can buy into the "TV flexible scheduling" theory. How do we know that the schedule is built one week at a time or exactly how it's built from year to year? None of us do. It's not a question of agreement or disagreement, because I'm saying the possibility is there, and one's belief or disbelief doesn't eliminate that existing possibility.

The fact that they can't tell what teams are going to be good any year is why I do think the flex tv thing is a factor in the schedule.

There are certain matchups that people just want to see and have proven that every year. Such as Manning vs Brady. That matchup is more often then not late in the year. The NFL is hedging there bets there. Sometime a game looks like it's going to be a great game early in the year but then when it comes time to play people really don't care. Case in point our 2012 MNF game. Early in the season we were going to be a tough good team. By time it came time to play that game our season was already a nightmare. So I do think the tv has a lot to do with the timing in matchups. It's not IMO trying to give this team or that team a easy road it's trying to make sure every week there is a high profile game to make money. That's just my opinion though as you said we don't know what goes into making the schedule and I don't discount your thought. I just don't think that's what happens.

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 02:50 PM

That's called an opinion, junior. I don't preface everything I say with IMO. That doesn't mean I pose it as fact. I have confidence in my opinion.

I'm fully aware that you were posting your opinion and I stated such, little girl. Nobody cares about your confidence in your opinion. Nobody's going to take your opinion for fact, either. Doubtful that anybody else has the same confidence in your opinion that you do.

If Hemingway and Jenkins become regular contributors and even All-Pro performers, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong, happily. Because the Chiefs will benefit. Until then neither has done anything in their career to lead me to believe this will change. It is likely I'm right and those who hope these guys, and Sanders Commings and Mike Catapano make it will be disappointed.

Sure, you can predict the future and you know for certain what's going to happen. You probably also can stick one finger in your behind and one in your mouth and rotate those fingers whenever you hear a bird chirp and walk on your elbows all in the same given moment as well. So what?

The reality is, nobody knows for certain what's going to happen with these guys and the example I pointed of Riley Cooper clearly illustrates that.

Until then you run along and continue to think you proven or disproven something. All you've proven is that you are delusional and in need of clinical treatment.

LOL, The delusion is clearly on your side, for one thing being delusional enough to think that I'm going to just "run along", as you suggest. I'm not going anywhere. Secondly, for being delusional enough to think that I won't accept the challenge regarding the statement "All you've proven is that you are delusional and in need of clinical treatment" because I'll bet a large sum of money that I could walk into any clinic in the country, undergo any type of psychological evaluation, and walk out of that clinic with the clinic saying "there's nothing wrong with him".

And what have you proven? Nothing, but have aroused suspicion that you're getting puked out about not being to win any war of words with me.

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 04:15 PM

Dream on. I like to debate. Especially when they can't refute what I'm saying. Nobody is being lit up or playing into anyone's hands. In case you didn't notice, this is a discussion board. There is no shame or embarrassment in telling the gospel truth, and I don't know where you'd get the idea there is other than foolishly trying to guilt induce me. Nice try, but you fail.

Hey Justine. Donkeys didn't win those SB's outright in '97 and '98 and I've already provided a slew of points as to why, and I know I'm not alone in those thoughts & others have posted such at many other sites. Your talking this dumb trash like there's some sort of obligation by all NFL fans to honor the '97 and '98 Donkeys as outright champions, but I got news for you. Nobody is obligated to do that & anyone has every right point out the truth about what really happened & rightfully DISHONOR them. You seem to have trouble figuring that out & now you know.
You claim to tell "the gospel truth". There's my evidence about what I was referring to. See you can't even tell the truth about what comes out of your own mouth. BURNNNNNNN!

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 04:28 PM

You claim to tell "the gospel truth". There's my evidence about what I was referring to. See you can't even tell the truth about what comes out of your own mouth. BURNNNNNNN!

Okay, please tell me exactly what I said was false & provide us all proof of what I said being false regarding The Donkeys in the 2nd paragraph that you quoted. C'mon with it. Until you can, you don't have any evidence.

Sounds like you're puked out about not being able win any war of words. Is that the best you can do?

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 05:18 PM

Okay, please tell me exactly what I said was false & provide us all proof of what I said being false regarding The Donkeys in the 2nd paragraph that you quoted. C'mon with it. Until you can, you don't have any evidence.

Sounds like you're puked out about not being able win any war of words. Is that the best you can do?
War of words? I'm sorry you're so delusional that you actually believe there is such a thing. Keep living in your fantasy world where you are king. Who is the judge of this so called "War of Words"? Yourself? Wow no wonder you think you are winning. According to members of this site who have read and replied to what you've said so far, matthewschiefs is the only one who is backing your thoeries. And he's kind of agreeing and also kind of dis-agreeing. Other than that you already have Doobs, Mongo, and myself asking you to stop ***ching like a little cry baby sissy, about your stupid conspiracy thoeries. I'd say you are losing.

ctchiefsfan

03-23-2014, 05:35 PM

C'mon guys! Let's lighten up! We're all Chiefs fans.....right?

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 05:46 PM

War of words? I'm sorry you're so delusional that you actually believe there is such a thing. Keep living in your fantasy world where you are king. Who is the judge of this so called "War of Words"? Yourself? Wow no wonder you think you are winning. According to members of this site who have read and replied to what you've said so far, matthewschiefs is the only one who is backing your thoeries. And he's kind of agreeing and also kind of dis-agreeing. Other than that you already have Doobs, Mongo, and myself asking you to stop ***ching like a little cry baby sissy, about your stupid conspiracy thoeries. I'd say you are losing.

LOL, the delusion is clearly on your side. I haven't lost anything. Nobody has refuted anything I've said yet. Multiple parties like you, doobs, and whoever else, getting all puked out about my pointing out the the things that were flawed with Donkeys SB appearances in '97 and '98 and 2013 proves who the real crybaby sissies are -- namely YOU!!

BTW, the author of this thread, CJ and I have had previous discussions regarding those 3 SB's that the Donkeys were in and she's of the same stance that I am. In addition, another member of this forum sent me a PM assurring me that wasn't alone in my analysis.

Doesn't take a judge to figure out that you aren't winning any war of words, it's there in plain view for every eye to see. And I didn't say I was winning anything, as you are suggesting, so who's being delusional? Contrary to your belief, I'm thoroughly enjoying this display of yours that demonstrates your puked out. By all means, continue as I always welcome a good laugh and you are providing just that.

matthewschiefs

03-23-2014, 06:05 PM

C'mon guys! Let's lighten up! We're all Chiefs fans.....right?

THIS THIS AND MORE THIS

All the infighting that has been going on lately on both sides just needs to stop

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 06:15 PM

THIS THIS AND MORE THIS

All the infighting that has been going on lately on both sides just needs to stop

I prefer to think of it as a debate or war of words. I'd be lying if I said that I'm not thoroughly enjoying it.

ctchiefsfan

03-23-2014, 06:31 PM

I prefer to think of it as a debate or war of words. I'd be lying if I said that I'm not thoroughly enjoying it.

Enjoy it all you want.. You know I respect your opinions and extensive knowledge. But can't we tone it down a bit? There's been some pretty tough words tossed around. We shouldn't treat each other like that. Debate is good, but once name calling happens it turns it all to a pile of poop. I just think we should treat other Chiefs fans at least as well as we would a GD Raiders fan.

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 06:40 PM

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 06:41 PM

Enjoy it all you want.. You know I respect your opinions and extensive knowledge. But can't we tone it down a bit? There's been some pretty tough words tossed around. We shouldn't treat each other like that. Debate is good, but once name calling happens it turns it all to a pile of poop. I just think we should treat other Chiefs fans at least as well as we would a GD Raiders fan.

Admittedly, I have been harsh in my choice of words, but that's because certain individuals are trying to browbeat me like they would do to their punk little brothers and doobs in particular was just begging for it with his continued trolling and repeated posting of stupid .gif images.

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 06:52 PM

Well I've had a huge smile on my face this whole time as well. I'm done. I've been serious in the fact that I do think you are retarded or something but this issue is just beat to death. Just cause I love my chiefs doesn't mean I'm obligated to like you. I do agree with most of your views but you do go way too extreme with your conspiracy thoeries. GO CHIEFS

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 06:55 PM

Are you mentally handicapped? By saying I cannot win a war of words with you means you are clearly saying you are winning. Damn you're stupid. And by saying you are only speaking the gospel truth like you said you were speaking means you were saying your words are of biblical proportions or something. Apparently you can speak big words, but at the same time don't understand what you are typing.

Gee, you quote yourself and ask about being mentally handicapped? Well, you are quite correct in asking yourself that question and be assurred, nobody is going to argue with you. But, I get it, must be puked out exceedingly.

And you are incorrect. By saying that you aren't winning any war of words, it means you aren't succeeding at browbeating me or hurting my feelings any. In fact, I'm laughing at you, but go ahead continue trying by all means.

As for your "And by saying you are only speaking the gospel truth like you said you were speaking means you were saying your words are of biblical proportions or something.", "gospel truth' is just a catch phrase, nothing more, nor did I say it was of biblical proportions. Interesting how you can't even make a post quoting the correct source and now you want play grammar police with somebody else?

Well I've had a huge smile on my face this whole time as well. I'm done. I've been serious in the fact that I do think you are retarded or something but this issue is just beat to death. Just cause I love my chiefs doesn't mean I'm obligated to like you. I do agree with most of your views but you do go way too extreme with your conspiracy thoeries. GO CHIEFS

Don't care if you like me or not. Don't care what you think or what your opinion is. Don't care if you've had one too many intimate sessions with your neighbors dog, which you clearly are illustrating is probably the case.

Mongo

03-23-2014, 07:57 PM

Sure, you can predict the future and you know for certain what's going to happen.
The reality is, nobody knows for certain what's going to happen with these guys and the example I pointed of Riley Cooper clearly illustrates that.

You clearly missed the term "likely" in my last post. It is likely these guys will not be the answer. Neither have shown much promise in the past. You refer to Riley Cooper as an example of la late round gem. However the law of averages is heavily in favor of my prediction.

How many early round busts have a light turn on and become stars? This versus the number who pretty much are what they appear to be? How many late round picks and RFA last in the league more than 3 years? For every Riley Cooper or Tom Brady there are tens of thousands at least who don't make it.

So once again I say Hemingway and Jenkins are not the answer.

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 08:52 PM

You clearly missed the term "likely" in my last post. It is likely these guys will not be the answer. Neither have shown much promise in the past. You refer to Riley Cooper as an example of la late round gem. However the law of averages is heavily in favor of my prediction.

How many early round busts have a light turn on and become stars? This versus the number who pretty much are what they appear to be? How many late round picks and RFA last in the league more than 3 years? For every Riley Cooper or Tom Brady there are tens of thousands at least who don't make it.

So once again I say Hemingway and Jenkins are not the answer.

Okay ,so I did miss the likely in your post. Doesn't change my analysis that nobody knows for certain what will happen with these guys in 2014.

Riley Cooper was pointed out because he was with Reid for 3 years in Philly and he didn't show a whole lot more promise in his first 2 years than what we've seen thus far from Jenkins and Hemingway. I don't know if Cooper is really what you would call a late-round gem or a guy that hung on to his roster spot by a thread for multiple years & then seized his opportunity when Jeremy Maclin got hurt -- I'd lean towards the latter. If what you are trying to say is " Jenkins and Hemingway haven't showed enough promise to believe they'll become elite to where all the pundits look at them and say 'he's one of the best' ", then that is true.

You are quite correct that a vast majority of the late round draftees don't make it very far in the NFL and most likely will wind up delivering pizza to your doorstep (see Braden Wilson drafted in round 6 last year ) .

Actually, Hemingway has shown some promise in his limited playing time & Jenkins does possess the speed to upgrade the slot receiver position over McCluster who I never believed was the answer at the slot receiver position.

Justin5772002

03-23-2014, 09:59 PM

Gee, you quote yourself and ask about being mentally handicapped? Well, you are quite correct in asking yourself that question and be assurred, nobody is going to argue with you. But, I get it, must be puked out exceedingly.

And you are incorrect. By saying that you aren't winning any war of words, it means you aren't succeeding at browbeating me or hurting my feelings any. In fact, I'm laughing at you, but go ahead continue trying by all means.

As for your "And by saying you are only speaking the gospel truth like you said you were speaking means you were saying your words are of biblical proportions or something.", "gospel truth' is just a catch phrase, nothing more, nor did I say it was of biblical proportions. Interesting how you can't even make a post quoting the correct source and now you want play grammar police with somebody else?

Don't care if you like me or not. Don't care what you think or what your opinion is. Don't care if you've had one too many intimate sessions with your neighbors dog, which you clearly are illustrating is probably the case.
STFU computer geek. Gotta bring up intimate sessions with people's neighbors' dogs huh? What I do with my neighbors dogs is non of you business. Where's your proof of that mister I have concrete proof that the sky is in fact falling?

matthewschiefs

03-23-2014, 10:09 PM

ctchiefsfan

03-23-2014, 10:09 PM

Can't we cut this ship out guys?

brdempsey69

03-23-2014, 11:12 PM

STFU computer geek. Gotta bring up intimate sessions with people's neighbors' dogs huh? What I do with my neighbors dogs is non of you business. Where's your proof of that mister I have concrete proof that the sky is in fact falling?

So you are admitting to that? Better hope you don't get busted for cruelty to animals.

So much for the smile on your face that you were talking about. Thanks for letting everybody know it was fake and you were just BSing everybody.
Like I said over in the thread I started, you must puked out to the point that you can't type a coherent sentence. Are your feelings hurt? Serves you right for coming into this thread and trying to browbeat me when nobody had rattled your cage & my heated discussion was with somebody else that comes off like a Donkeys fan & do take account of the fact that you did post at me, not just make a general statement. Next time, just stay the hell out and mind your own damn business & then you won't have to worry about getting retorts from anybody getting you all puked out like you are now.

Ok that made me laugh LOL

Are you laughing with him or AT HIM? I know I'm doing the latter.

matthewschiefs

03-23-2014, 11:37 PM

So you are admitting to that? Better hope you don't get busted for cruelty to animals.

So much for the smile on your face that you were talking about. Thanks for letting everybody know it was fake and you were just BSing everybody.
Like I said over in the thread I started, you must puked out to the point that you can't type a coherent sentence. Are your feelings hurt? Serves you right for coming into this thread and trying to browbeat me when nobody had rattled your cage & my heated discussion was with somebody else that comes off like a Donkeys fan & do take account of the fact that you did post at me, not just make a general statement. Next time, just stay the hell out and mind your own damn business & then you won't have to worry about getting retorts from anybody getting you all puked out like you are now.

Are you laughing with him or AT HIM? I know I'm doing the latter.

Come on dude he was clearly joking about. So I'm laughing with him.

Or at least I really hope he was joking LOL

brdempsey69

03-24-2014, 12:00 AM

Come on dude he was clearly joking about. So I'm laughing with him.

Or at least I really hope he was joking LOL

Perhaps maybe you can go to the thread I started titled "2014 draft wish list" & add something on topic to it, since all Justin could do was troll it

Eydugstr

03-24-2014, 01:14 AM

Or at least I really hope he was joking LOL

LOL for peta's sake, I hope you're right.

Actually, Hemingway has shown some promise in his limited playing time & Jenkins does possess the speed to upgrade the slot receiver position over McCluster who I never believed was the answer at the slot receiver position.

When it comes to Hemmingway & Jenkins, don't think I've seen enough of either player to really judge. Will say this, when it got down to the end of the last season, their play improved. If it were up to me and had to play a game right now with the current roster, I'd bench Avery in favor of Jenkins. Both Avery and Bowe had way too many drops NOT to expect players coming off the bench for a look.

I understood what you were saying I guess it's a matter of what do you put more stock in a division title or a super bowl title. IMO playing the defending super champs is right up there with a division champ. If you think otherwise then I will just agree to disagree there. I did think that the Ravens should have hosted the opener and still think it's silly that they didn't since they had a ball park full of people watching it on the big screen. But the Ravens would have still had to play Denver in Denver that wouldn't have changed at all. The Ravens would have hosted the opener against someone else not Devner But I will say again IMO the NFL can't sit there and predict what teams are going to be good any given year. The schedule even comes out before the draft has taken place. I just don't think they can stack the deck. Just because a team won the division a year ago doesn't mean they are going to be a top team the fallowing year. As we have seen sometimes a team can go from worst to first. So I just don't think the league can give a team a helping hand with the schedule. You just don't know what teams are going to be good any given year.

And I did call out the refs for the calls Denver got throughout the year. Again I said I agree with you on Denver getting calls. It's just the schedule aspect to it that I think is a reach.

Really don't understand the surprise or dissmissal of schedule rigging. It's a business. If you want to get rabid NFL fans to part with dollar$, got to come up with matchups that will stir up controversy.

2013 will be known to me as the year of the "no-call". Yes Denver benefitted from it. But the good thing about it is it's the first time I've ever seen the head of officiating give an apology for it (when they failed to call the SD putting too many men on the field during a field goal try). Back in the late nineties, you'd have to wait before the film was developed or look at stillshots from blurry screen videotape cameras to sort out a goofy call; Nowadays the game is captured in HD to the point where you can count the blades of grass, and gets posted onto Youtube and Facebook before you can say "bad call."

brdempsey69

03-24-2014, 01:23 AM

Really don't understand the surprise or dissmissal of schedule rigging. It's a business. If you want to get rabid NFL fans to part with dollar$, got to come up with matchups that will stir up controversy.

Thanks eydugstr,

Just saw this post at NFL.com at this article from a guy named Michael Cross

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000319781/article/john-elway-doesnt-think-there-will-be-a-very-best-qb

Elway didn't win a Superbowl until he and Terrel Davis illegally parlayed their salary to the following cap year. The Broncos knew he was retiring so they junked the cap...which put them in cap hell when he hung it up. Denver was fined 1 million and docked draft picks. They essentially were playing with talent they couldn't afford. The NFL couldn't just replay the Superbowls.....Their titles should come with an asterisk.

Elway has never won a legitimate Superbowl...so this articles title is no surprise.

And people here act like I'm the only one who touches on the subject.

matthewschiefs

03-24-2014, 01:49 AM

LOL for peta's sake, I hope you're right.

When it comes to Hemmingway & Jenkins, don't think I've seen enough of either player to really judge. Will say this, when it got down to the end of the last season, their play improved. If it were up to me and had to play a game right now with the current roster, I'd bench Avery in favor of Jenkins. Both Avery and Bowe had way too many drops NOT to expect players coming off the bench for a look.

Really don't understand the surprise or dissmissal of schedule rigging. It's a business. If you want to get rabid NFL fans to part with dollar$, got to come up with matchups that will stir up controversy.

2013 will be known to me as the year of the "no-call". Yes Denver benefitted from it. But the good thing about it is it's the first time I've ever seen the head of officiating give an apology for it (when they failed to call the SD putting too many men on the field during a field goal try). Back in the late nineties, you'd have to wait before the film was developed or look at stillshots from blurry screen videotape cameras to sort out a goofy call; Nowadays the game is captured in HD to the point where you can count the blades of grass, and gets posted onto Youtube and Facebook before you can say "bad call."

That's in a large point what I was saying. They want big match ups throughout the year to get ratings kept up giving them more intrest in the NFL and with that comes more $$$$$. But they like I said don't know what teams are going to be good any given year so they hedge their bets a bit and give you certain match ups later in the year like Brady v. Manning. My only point was that was a $$$ thing and not a thing that the NFL was doing to try to help Denver.