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brdempsey69
03-23-2014, 04:42 PM
My wishlist and not in any particular order or round:

A 3-4 DE that can attack the QB.
A 3-4 OLB that can both cover receivers and rush the passer
A WR that can become a go-to guy
A CB that can add depth in case right away in case of injury & play right away in sub-packages
A Safety that can add depth
A O-Lineman to add depth and eventually push for a starting job.

That's 6 players filling the 6 draft picks the Chiefs have assuming there are no trades.

Post your wishlist here.

Justin5772002
03-23-2014, 05:17 PM
You to stfu. LOL

brdempsey69
03-23-2014, 05:29 PM
You to stfu. LOL

Are you puked out , sis? Even to the point that you can't type a coherent sentence?

Justin5772002
03-23-2014, 06:01 PM
You must be a Doctor, because you are too smart...sense some sarcasm there?

Justin5772002
03-23-2014, 06:03 PM
Are you puked out , sis? Even to the point that you can't type a coherent sentence?
Ever hear of Internet Slang? Wait! We are on the internet aren't we? Quit trying to sound smarter than you are, you're not fooling anyone

brdempsey69
03-23-2014, 06:09 PM
You must be a Doctor, because you are too smart...sense some sarcasm there?

No, I'm a computer technician. Try again.


Ever hear of Internet Slang? Wait! We are on the internet aren't we? Quit trying to sound smarter than you are, you're not fooling anyone

Not trying to fool anybody. You've only fooled yourself by thinking such. And you answered my question about being puked out, thank you.

Justin5772002
03-23-2014, 06:25 PM
No, I'm a computer technician. Try again.



Not trying to fool anybody. You've only fooled yourself by thinking such. And you answered my question about being puked out, thank you.
Where's your "refutable evidence" of such?

brdempsey69
03-23-2014, 06:51 PM
Where's your "refutable evidence" of such?

You mean 'irrefutable evidence'. If you wish, I can upload a copy of my A+ computer certification as soon as I can get to it and send an image to you via PM, if it's really that important to you.

Eydugstr
03-24-2014, 05:39 AM
You mean 'irrefutable evidence'.

....LOL...

The wish list...no order...

WR (2x)
Pass rusher
O-line
Safety
CB

matthewschiefs
03-24-2014, 11:41 AM
My list
!. Defense all around
2. Wr help
3 O line depth

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 11:43 AM
....LOL...

The wish list...no order...

WR (2x)
Pass rusher
O-line
Safety
CB

I could see 2 receivers coming from the draft if they take a WR in round 1. I'm sure you aren't alone in the thought of doubling up at WR and Dorsey/Reid could very well be thinking the same thing.

Even if there was a Defensive collapse at the end of last season, Andy Reid is still an Offensive guru and wants to build an Offense like we saw under Dick Vermeil.


My list
!. Defense all around
2. Wr help
3 O line depth

On Defense, I'm still of the belief that a 3-4 DE that can attack the QB ( in addition to Walker ) could help as much as anything, and next would be an OLB that can cover and attack the QB. Everybody saw what happened when Hali and Houston got hurt and the Defense went pfffffffft.

Mongo
03-24-2014, 01:32 PM
It’s funny. Two years ago most Chief fans were saying that the team was a coach and a QB away. They pointed to the 6 Pro-Bowlers, 5 of which were on defense as the reason.

Fast forward and many say the defensive personnel is the problem. The offense started to perform better down the stretch, they say.

I don't buy it. I think this is knee-jerk reaction to the defense’s declining performance down the stretch and SEA's domination of DEN in the SB.

There are positions that need help on the defense as has been mentioned by many. However, the #1 need is a WR compliment to Dwayne Bowe. Any offensive improvement down the stretch was in spite of the same shoddy WR corp that was a problem all year long. #1a is OL help as last year’s 2 best players are gone.

Unfortunately, the problems on defense may not be with the personnel as much as the defensive coordinator. After the quick start I was willing to look past my shortcomings of Bob “Hal” Sutton. I thought maybe he had learned something under Rex Ryan. The fact remains that Shallow Hal was a failure as a DC in NYJ before being demoted to LB coach after Ryan took over. A team of defensive all-stars might not be good enough.

To build a defense like SEA’s in this day and age is not easy. They drafted late round gems like Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman that you just can’t assume even the shrewdest of front offices can achieve. Add in FA castoffs brought in on the cheap and it’s a difficult feat to accomplish.

The Chiefs best player is Jamaal Charles. They’ve already made significant investment in Al Smith. They’re about to invest even more. Yet there is one WR worth a damn. A TE corp that cannot stay healthy. And lastly, an OL that looks to be significantly worse than last year’s unit.

Sorry but adding defensive personnel should wait until day 3. In the meantime hire Wade Phillips as a defensive consultant.

Seek
03-24-2014, 01:54 PM
Depth at Oline. We currently do not have a starter at RG.

We Currently do not have a starter at FS at least not to be considered a true starter.

Both of these position are generally not taken early in the first round. There could be a NFL ready starter with our first pick for these two positions.

After that - A large portion of our salary cap is spent in Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers and Shawn Smith. As pathetic as the secondary was last year, that is too much money tied up in them. We need to be drafting secondary to compete with Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers and to provide a replacement for over paid paperweights.

We also need a replacment from T. Jackson.

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 01:55 PM
Mongo,

It's understood if you want to Offense, Offense, and more Offense. Like I said, even if there was a Defensive collapse at the end of last season, Andy Reid is still an Offensive guru and wants to build an Offense like we saw under Dick Vermeil.

By the same token, it's very difficult to call it a knee-jerk reaction when a team blows a 38-10 lead and your Defense, outside of Abdullah, does literally nothing expect get torched. One has to remember that John Dorsey was a LB in his playing days & he may think addressing the Defense is a higher priority than addressing the WR core.



After that - A large portion of our salary cap is spent in Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers and Shawn Smith. As pathetic as the secondary was last year, that is too much money tied up in them. We need to be drafting secondary to compete with Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers and to provide a replacement for over paid paperweights.


Agreed 100%. Too much money tied up back there. What people will probably disagree with is the thought of building an elite Defensive Front 7 to help out whoever is playing on the back end, because if you can't stop the run and rush the passer, it won't matter who's playing in the Defensive backfield.

doobs_05
03-24-2014, 02:27 PM
Defense, Defense, Defense, WR with hands, WR with speed, O-line Depth

matthewschiefs
03-24-2014, 02:32 PM
It's not a knee jerk reaction to focus on the defense at all. This isn't a problem that just happened at the end of last season. It's been a common problem with this defensive group. I said it after the year I'll say it again. This defense is SOFT. As soon as things start to get tough in a game this defense over the course of a few years has just packed their tents and gone home. If the Chiefs are going to get to where they want to be they have to fix that problem. They have some really good players on defense now they just need to bring in some tougher guys to help. It HAS to be the focus over the offense. The Seahawks won the super bowl because they have a tough hard nose d. Even when Denver would run their pick plays the Seahawks defenders put them on their rear ends. The NFL has gone way more towards offense for sure. But at the end of the day more often then not defense still comes up big for the team that won the super bowl.

Mongo
03-24-2014, 02:35 PM
Mongo,

It's understood if you want to Offense, Offense, and more Offense. Like I said, even if there was a Defensive collapse at the end of last season, Andy Reid is still an Offensive guru and wants to build an Offense like we saw under Dick Vermeil.

By the same token, it's very difficult to call it a knee-jerk reaction when a team blows a 38-10 lead and your Defense, outside of Abdullah, does literally nothing expect get torched. One has to remember that John Dorsey was a LB in his playing days & he may think addressing the Defense is a higher priority than addressing the WR core.



Agreed 100%. Too much money tied up back there. What people will probably disagree with is the thought of building an elite Defensive Front 7 to help out whoever is playing on the back end, because if you can't stop the run and rush the passer, it won't matter who's playing in the Defensive backfield.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The Chiefs should not overract to the defense's collapse versus Indy. They should not forget that the same defense helped build that lead through several first half turnovers. They should also not forget that the same offense that helped build a huge first half lead, did nothing to protect or add to it when it became obvious the defense could not hold it.

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 02:48 PM
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The Chiefs should not overract to the defense's collapse versus Indy. They should not forget that the same defense helped build that lead through several first half turnovers. They should also not forget that the same offense that helped build a huge first half lead, did nothing to protect or add to it when it became obvious the defense could not hold it.

True. And if you are wanting a couple of WR's in this draft like eydugstr does, the odds are very strong that you are going to get your wish.

I can also see a possibility of trading down with SF to the #30 slot ( this new regime has already traded with the 49ers twice ) and getting an extra pick or two and possibly landing a guy like Tuitt and it would be hard to argue with that move, as it's very rare to see a prospect that had 20.5 sacks in 28 starts as a true 3-4 DE in college and Tuitt's upside is HUGE. Plus, they could still double dip at the WR and DB positions.

doobs_05
03-24-2014, 02:56 PM
It's not a knee jerk reaction to focus on the defense at all. This isn't a problem that just happened at the end of last season. It's been a common problem with this defensive group. I said it after the year I'll say it again. This defense is SOFT. As soon as things start to get tough in a game this defense over the course of a few years has just packed their tents and gone home. If the Chiefs are going to get to where they want to be they have to fix that problem. They have some really good players on defense now they just need to bring in some tougher guys to help. It HAS to be the focus over the offense. The Seahawks won the super bowl because they have a tough hard nose d. Even when Denver would run their pick plays the Seahawks defenders put them on their rear ends. The NFL has gone way more towards offense for sure. But at the end of the day more often then not defense still comes up big for the team that won the super bowl.

Also the DC needs to learn how to adjust

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 03:36 PM
Many mock drafts are projecting Clowney to Houston at #1, but if Johnny Manziel has a stellar workout at his Pro Day today, the Texans could very well pull the trigger on selecting him and it could push some players down the draft a bit to the Chiefs pick at the #23 spot.

The one guy that could get pushed down is WR Marqise Lee, depending on who the Steelers, Ravens, and Jets take with their picks. A pretty strong case can be made for taking Marqise Lee at #23, as he's a great character guy, very much in the same mold as Randall Cobb up in GB as player that can help right away in the kick-return department and as a WR he could very quickly become an explosive play-maker that makes opposing defenses play honest 100% of the time. Plus, what Lee did on the football field in 2012 cannot be discounted, as it was absolutely off the charts.

TopekaRoy
03-24-2014, 04:34 PM
There is no question that the Chiefs could use a good WR and need to replace some players on the O-line. That said, I agree with Dempsy that our first priority should be defense.

Last year when our defense was good (before the bye) the offense found a way to do just enough to win the games. When our offense was good (after the bye), no matter how much they scored, we usually lost.

There is no question that a strong pass rush helps the secondary cover better. Our DBs fell apart after Houston and Hali got hurt and we couldn't pressure the QB. The same thing happened in Chicago when they suffered injuries to their D-line and LBs. A strong pass rush forces QBs to get rid of the ball faster and make bad decisions. It also means that receivers have less time to get open and DBs don't have to cover them for as long or as far down the field.

We need help on both sides of the ball, but we win with defense.

jap1
03-24-2014, 04:38 PM
Many mock drafts are projecting Clowney to Houston at #1, but if Johnny Manziel has a stellar workout at his Pro Day today, the Texans could very well pull the trigger on selecting him and it could push some players down the draft a bit to the Chiefs pick at the #23 spot.

The one guy that could get pushed down is WR Marqise Lee, depending on who the Steelers, Ravens, and Jets take with their picks. A pretty strong case can be made for taking Marqise Lee at #23, as he's a great character guy, very much in the same mold as Randall Cobb up in GB as player that can help right away in the kick-return department and as a WR he could very quickly become an explosive play-maker that makes opposing defenses play honest 100% of the time. Plus, what Lee did on the football field in 2012 cannot be discounted, as it was absolutely off the charts.

I have two problems with Lee. First, he reminds me a lot of Bowe. He makes the amazing one handed diving/somersaulting catch, but then drops the wide open pass that hit him in both hands. Second, he was hurt for almost all of 2013. The games he did play in he wasnt healthy. I am always a little wary of someone who took a whole year to recover.

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 05:31 PM
I have two problems with Lee. First, he reminds me a lot of Bowe. He makes the amazing one handed diving/somersaulting catch, but then drops the wide open pass that hit him in both hands. Second, he was hurt for almost all of 2013. The games he did play in he wasnt healthy. I am always a little wary of someone who took a whole year to recover.

That may have happened in 2013, but like you said he was playing hurt. When he was healthy in 2012, he caught 118 passes which indicates he didn't drop very many that year.

A side note: Johnny Manziel has got to be the most HATED draft prospect that I've ever seen. You should see the comments that go up over at NFL.com about him such as:

"Johnny Manziel will become a magician in the NFL because he will make the GM that drafts him disappear". It's that bad.

jap1
03-24-2014, 05:40 PM
"Johnny Manziel will become a magician in the NFL because he will make the GM that drafts him disappear". It's that bad.

LOL. Thats hilarious.

brdempsey69
03-24-2014, 05:46 PM
LOL. Thats hilarious.

I thought it was funny as well. But, in all seriousness, Manziel does have similar ability to Russell Wilson & if he works as hard as Wilson has in the NFL, then the team that drafts Johnny Football could be getting the last laugh.

Eydugstr
03-24-2014, 06:02 PM
I have two problems with Lee. First, he reminds me a lot of Bowe. He makes the amazing one handed diving/somersaulting catch, but then drops the wide open pass that hit him in both hands. Second, he was hurt for almost all of 2013. The games he did play in he wasnt healthy. I am always a little wary of someone who took a whole year to recover.

This is where I get concerned with drafting WR's at #1. The injuries. This draft class seems to be really thick with good recievers, though, so waiting until the later rounds to draft WR and going after a really good pass rusher (DE or LB) with the #1 is really not a bad idea.

The defensive issues we've had are just not something that we can fix in this draft. Think it's more coaching related than anything, mainly because they ALL looked bad. They also looked much better when the pass rush was working really well, and it would be doable this year to add another pass rusher (Tuitt or Hagelmann) as opposed to trying to draft a bunch of cb's/safeties (also very injury prone).

jap1
03-24-2014, 09:04 PM
... if he works as hard as Wilson has in the NFL ...

There is the crux of the issue. Everyone thinks he will not put in the effort and doesnt have the brain to be an NFL QB. I dont follow college too closely, and I dont know the guy at all, so I dont have an opinion either way. Only time will tell.

Justin5772002
03-25-2014, 07:36 AM
There is no question that the Chiefs could use a good WR and need to replace some players on the O-line. That said, I agree with Dempsy that our first priority should be defense.

Last year when our defense was good (before the bye) the offense found a way to do just enough to win the games. When our offense was good (after the bye), no matter how much they scored, we usually lost.

There is no question that a strong pass rush helps the secondary cover better. Our DBs fell apart after Houston and Hali got hurt and we couldn't pressure the QB. The same thing happened in Chicago when they suffered injuries to their D-line and LBs. A strong pass rush forces QBs to get rid of the ball faster and make bad decisions. It also means that receivers have less time to get open and DBs don't have to cover them for as long or as far down the field.

We need help on both sides of the ball, but we win with defense.
And that's why everyone is calling for Sutton's head. Dude cannot make adjustments and we get steamrolled every time things get bad

Seek
03-25-2014, 09:24 AM
And that's why everyone is calling for Sutton's head. Dude cannot make adjustments and we get steamrolled every time things get bad

Who is calling for Sutton's head? I hardly believe it is EVERYONE or he would already be gone. Heck for most of the season he was being praised for bringing an attacking style defense and no one was complaining when we were on track to beat the Sack Record.

Mongo
03-25-2014, 11:46 AM
Who is calling for Sutton's head? I hardly believe it is EVERYONE or he would already be gone. Heck for most of the season he was being praised for bringing an attacking style defense and no one was complaining when we were on track to beat the Sack Record.
The Chiefs first half performance last season was inflated by playing a lot of bad teams. Then the schedule and some injuries caught up to them. The pass rush eroded. Flowers played hurt. Cooper hit the rookie wall. KLew was exposed, badly.

I'm not calling for Shallow Hal's head -- yet. But I have my finger on the trigger. I'd have Wade Phillips on speed dial. You want an attacking, gap penetrating 3-4? There's none better.

brdempsey69
03-25-2014, 01:01 PM
It seems there is a division about whether to go Offense or Defense with the top draft pick. Personally, I believe there is an equal need for an ace WR as well as a 3-4 DE that can attack the QB.

Safety is a need, but not in round 1 if the scouts have done their job. Safety is the easiest position on Defense to fill in the draft and I'm not sold on Pryor or Clinton-Dix. The Chiefs need somebody at FS that is faster than they are, and Alabama DB's haven't panned out as of late ( see Menzie and Arenas and at least 3 others for other teams that I can think of ).

So that would narrow down to Beckham, Lee, or Cooks at WR if they go Offense or Hageman or Tuitt if they go Defense with the top draft pick. With that said, nobody should rule out an O-Lineman because Dorsey/Reid do value these guys & don't let the FA losses fool you because they would have kept Schwartz, if they could have afforded him.

texaschief
03-25-2014, 02:41 PM
What if Bridgewater is sitting there when the Chiefs pick? hmm

brdempsey69
03-25-2014, 02:44 PM
What if Bridgewater is sitting there when the Chiefs pick? hmm

Well, if that happens and the Chiefs take him, I don't believe Alex will get an extension. But, that would be a HUGE mistake to me.

brdempsey69
03-27-2014, 08:06 PM
LOL, we were mentioning Johnny Manziel earlier in this thread. He had his pro day workout & unlike any other QB pro day workout, I have to say Manziel showed some balls by conducting his workout with wearing helmut and shoulder pads while throwing the ball for the pro scouts. Can't deny that Manziel does have guts and swagger.