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stevefuller
04-26-2014, 02:19 PM
send #23 to jacksonville for #39,#105,#114,#150 and #222
or #39,#70 and #222?
used draftsite.com to select players still available at each pick
#39 van noy(lb) d bucannon(s) j ward(s) l joyner(s) yankey(g) tuitt(de)
#87 davante adams(wr)
#105 billy turner(ot)
#114 demarcus lawrence(olb)
i will add i dont believe adams< turner or d lawrence will fall to these spots
#124 d dozier(g) phillip gaines(cb)
#150 larry webster or caraun reid
#163 possibly select injured prospect here say aaron colvin or brandon thomas
#193 dowling(s)
#200 matt patchan(ot)
#222 colt lylera(te)

stevefuller
04-26-2014, 04:04 PM
a guy i keep forgetting about if we trade down and acquire extra late round picks is JOHN URSCHEL g from penn state
he is going to be a solid pro...like him in the 6th

ctchiefsfan
04-27-2014, 09:31 AM
I don't follow college ball so I'm not fit to say who we should try to trade down with, but with this years draft seeming so deep, trading down for a couple of extra picks seems like a no-brainer and seems to play right to Dorsey's supposed strength at finding talent deep in the draft. So I am certainly hoping we can find someone to buy our pick at #23.

Frankenchief
04-28-2014, 12:15 PM
send #23 to jacksonville for #39,#105,#114,#150 and #222
or #39,#70 and #222?

If Jax offered that I would do it in a 1.5 heartbeats. I don't think they would offer that much though.

The 1.5 as opposed to 1 heartbeat is in case some future star player somehow gets caught in the Aaron Rodgers wormhole and is still available at 23.

Seek
04-28-2014, 12:43 PM
I personally would like to keep our first round draft pick. I am not keen on trading back into the second round unless we get a next years first round pick included.

I am perfectly fine trading back a couple spots to get a second, but would really love to keep our first.

Mongo
04-28-2014, 01:46 PM
I think the Chiefs are in the catbird seat to trade back to early R2 with a team that passed on a QB in picks 1-10. I don’t think you can expect a 15r01 in return, but you might get an early R3 from a team like HOU or MIN, who may not want to wait for their QB in R2. The Chiefs should still able to get a WR, maybe Stephon Tuitt, or their pick of the guards

Frankenchief
04-29-2014, 01:31 AM
I think the Chiefs are in the catbird seat to trade back to early R2 with a team that passed on a QB in picks 1-10. I donít think you can expect a 15r01 in return, but you might get an early R3 from a team like HOU or MIN, who may not want to wait for their QB in R2. The Chiefs should still able to get a WR, maybe Stephon Tuitt, or their pick of the guards

Cody Latimer (WR) might be a good 2nd round target for us if we actually do trade down.

Mongo
04-29-2014, 10:48 AM
Cody Latimer (WR) might be a good 2nd round target for us if we actually do trade down.
I’ve read he’s pushing into that late R1 area. Guys like him, late risers, always make me nervous. Why wasn’t he highly regarded before all of this over-analysis began? Is it a by-product of a fast 40?

Frankenchief
04-29-2014, 12:44 PM
I’ve read he’s pushing into that late R1 area. Guys like him, late risers, always make me nervous. Why wasn’t he highly regarded before all of this over-analysis began? Is it a by-product of a fast 40?
probably. But it's not like he is a bad WR. He was a 3rd rounder before the 40. But now you look at the big stature and combine that with the fast 40 and you got an intriguing prospect. I would still hesitate to take him at 23 but, in a trade down scenario, if the Chiefs took him in the early 2nd or even late 1st, I would be call it a good roll of dice.

Seek
04-29-2014, 01:12 PM
I still don't get it. Why would you want to trade away your best most valueable pick to possibly find an immediate starter, to a 2nd round pick that most seem to think are good Values for a second which screams to me BACK up first year with potention to being a starter or bust.

I see people saying we could get guys in the 2nd round that may here are wanting in the 1st round. Really, Why are we even considering them as our first round pick if you are saying we could get them 15 picks later.

I would rather trade up in the second then trade back.

brdempsey69
04-29-2014, 01:49 PM
I still don't get it. Why would you want to trade away your best most valueable pick to possibly find an immediate starter, to a 2nd round pick that most seem to think are good Values for a second which screams to me BACK up first year with potention to being a starter or bust.

I see people saying we could get guys in the 2nd round that may here are wanting in the 1st round. Really, Why are we even considering them as our first round pick if you are saying we could get them 15 picks later.

I would rather trade up in the second then trade back.

I could see trading down a few slots in round 3 or one of the later rounds happening.

Mongo
04-29-2014, 02:15 PM
I still don't get it. Why would you want to trade away your best most valueable pick to possibly find an immediate starter, to a 2nd round pick that most seem to think are good Values for a second which screams to me BACK up first year with potention to being a starter or bust.

I see people saying we could get guys in the 2nd round that may here are wanting in the 1st round. Really, Why are we even considering them as our first round pick if you are saying we could get them 15 picks later.

I would rather trade up in the second then trade back.
Trade up using what?

Iím not trading down expecting to get the same value at #23, but at #23 there are no guarantees any way. In most drafts there is not much difference in the late R1/ early R2 guys anyhow. This year even more so.

Iím trading down so I have more darts to throw at the board. The Chiefs have funneled themselves into needing several positions addressed by this draft. Also it alleviates the cap hit an R1 will make.

Frankenchief
04-29-2014, 02:42 PM
Because every year guys who are targeted in the 1.20s slip to early 2nds. In this, a deep draft, this would be an even higher possibility. I bet if Dorsey has a list of 10 take-for-sure players and 6 of them are still there at 23 he will try to trade down. Especially if he gets a good offer for multiple choices in this (deep) draft.

jason1981
04-29-2014, 04:29 PM
I would only trade down to get a 2nd pick out of it. So no trading all the way back to the 2nd rnd. Trade back up till the 31st pick and get a 2nd rounder out of it. Not sure if thats a fair trade if not then swap picks In a later round or something as well.

Eydugstr
04-29-2014, 04:45 PM
I would only trade down to get a 2nd pick out of it. So no trading all the way back to the 2nd rnd. Trade back up till the 31st pick and get a 2nd rounder out of it. Not sure if thats a fair trade if not then swap picks In a later round or something as well.

This is probably the only way I'd want to trade down, if we still retained a 1st round, or a very high 2nd round pick + a third or fourth.

Seek
05-01-2014, 12:49 PM
Trade up using what?

I’m not trading down expecting to get the same value at #23, but at #23 there are no guarantees any way. In most drafts there is not much difference in the late R1/ early R2 guys anyhow. This year even more so.

I’m trading down so I have more darts to throw at the board. The Chiefs have funneled themselves into needing several positions addressed by this draft. Also it alleviates the cap hit an R1 will make.

So let me get this straight. A person so upset with the Chiefs that they didn't spend on the highest paid Free agent and was so upset that we didn't upgrade in numerous positions and was upset that the Chiefs are trying to fill holes with Hope from players in last years draft Is now saying, Trade our Best Draft pick option which has better chances of being Starter for the next 5 years in favor of getting more players "Darts" just like the ones you are unhappy with from last year.

I know there is value in later draft picks, but not usually as a starter. Trade what ever you need to move up the second. But keep our first rounder in the first. This Chiefs history with Second Rounders is not the best and the thought of moving back to get more darts. Makes me cringe.

Mongo
05-01-2014, 03:23 PM
So let me get this straight. A person so upset with the Chiefs that they didn't spend on the highest paid Free agent and was so upset that we didn't upgrade in numerous positions and was upset that the Chiefs are trying to fill holes with Hope from players in last years draft Is now saying, Trade our Best Draft pick option which has better chances of being Starter for the next 5 years in favor of getting more players "Darts" just like the ones you are unhappy with from last year.

I know there is value in later draft picks, but not usually as a starter. Trade what ever you need to move up the second. But keep our first rounder in the first. This Chiefs history with Second Rounders is not the best and the thought of moving back to get more darts. Makes me cringe.
First of all, if you’re going to mock me at least mock what I really said, not your incorrect interpretation. Nowhere did I advocate going free agent nutty. I expressed frustration that not a single upgrade was made at all. Every free agent that left has been replaced by a lesser player. Every single one.

The Chiefs aren’t filling holes with last year’s draftees. They’re filling them with low end free agents like Rishaw Johnson, JM Johnson, Hussain Abdullah, some CFL WR reject, etc, etc. The only rookie from last year’s draft who might be a new starter is Sanders Commings.

I’m not advocating picking up a bunch of late round picks trading down from 23, although I always admired Jimmy Johnson’s approach of success through volume. I’m moving down 10-15 spots to get another R3, which, if Dorsey is as good as we all hope, has a good chance of being a solid contributor, if not a starter. I don’t believe in Chiefs draft voodoo, so get an R2 & R3.

The Chiefs can’t spare a pick from this year’s draft to move up. They could possibly bank on getting some comp picks next year and use one their 2015 picks.

Frankenchief
05-01-2014, 04:16 PM
The Chiefs can’t spare a pick from this year’s draft to move up. They could possibly bank on getting some comp picks next year and use one their 2015 picks.
This, exactly. If there were one draft year in which to move down and get more picks it's this one. Especially when we only have 6 picks. Yes, there are a few players who might make it to 23 who would be of must-take quality, but if they are gone TRADE DOWN BABY!

Seek
05-01-2014, 04:23 PM
First of all, if you’re going to mock me at least mock what I really said, not your incorrect interpretation. Nowhere did I advocate going free agent nutty. I expressed frustration that not a single upgrade was made at all. Every free agent that left has been replaced by a lesser player. Every single one.

The Chiefs aren’t filling holes with last year’s draftees. They’re filling them with low end free agents like Rishaw Johnson, JM Johnson, Hussain Abdullah, some CFL WR reject, etc, etc. The only rookie from last year’s draft who might be a new starter is Sanders Commings.

I’m not advocating picking up a bunch of late round picks trading down from 23, although I always admired Jimmy Johnson’s approach of success through volume. I’m moving down 10-15 spots to get another R3, which, if Dorsey is as good as we all hope, has a good chance of being a solid contributor, if not a starter. I don’t believe in Chiefs draft voodoo, so get an R2 & R3.

The Chiefs can’t spare a pick from this year’s draft to move up. They could possibly bank on getting some comp picks next year and use one their 2015 picks.
Yes, they are being replaced by guys already on the roster. Darts either through Fee agency or last years drats.

I never said what to trade up with. They do have future years they could and there is also rumors that the Chiefs are dangling Eric Berry out there, as it would save on cap space this year give them a chance to draft his replacements chances of signing him next year is not looking good.

Seek
05-01-2014, 04:27 PM
First of all, if you’re going to mock me at least mock what I really said, not your incorrect interpretation. Nowhere did I advocate going free agent nutty. I expressed frustration that not a single upgrade was made at all. Every free agent that left has been replaced by a lesser player. Every single one.

The Chiefs aren’t filling holes with last year’s draftees. They’re filling them with low end free agents like Rishaw Johnson, JM Johnson, Hussain Abdullah, some CFL WR reject, etc, etc. The only rookie from last year’s draft who might be a new starter is Sanders Commings.

I’m not advocating picking up a bunch of late round picks trading down from 23, although I always admired Jimmy Johnson’s approach of success through volume. I’m moving down 10-15 spots to get another R3, which, if Dorsey is as good as we all hope, has a good chance of being a solid contributor, if not a starter. I don’t believe in Chiefs draft voodoo, so get an R2 & R3.

The Chiefs can’t spare a pick from this year’s draft to move up. They could possibly bank on getting some comp picks next year and use one their 2015 picks.

I am not mocking you. Just staing that you seem very inconsistent in your opinions. Guys who actually played good in a NFL game are not worth it because the FA rejects, yet you are wanting to give a shot to lower valued kids from College a shot. To fill some huge Void from average at best players we lost.

Mongo
05-01-2014, 05:50 PM
I am not mocking you. Just staing that you seem very inconsistent in your opinions. Guys who actually played good in a NFL game are not worth it because the FA rejects, yet you are wanting to give a shot to lower valued kids from College a shot. To fill some huge Void from average at best players we lost.
There’s no inconsistency. Rishaw Johnson played well in one game, but his history is that he has cut by SEA and worked out for CHI. Now he’s our starting RG. Why? Maybe it was a system thing. Maybe the light bulb finally went on. Or maybe he stank and still does but is starting in KC because they have no one better. My bet is on the choice 3.

Is Sanders Commings really a player or is he going to be out of the league in 3-5 years like most R5 picks? If he isn’t, we have Hussain Abdullah who wasn’t good enough to take Kendrick Lewis’s job a year ago.

Is A.J. Jenkins poop like he’s shown his entire career so far? Or will he share the same epiphany with Rishaw?

That’s three positions of glaring need. If the Chiefs were to trade down they might be able to address all three with high draft picks. Those 3 draft picks offer a better chance for success than a couple of guys who had one good game.

So, to summarize: I, too, have a draft first mentality. I’d rather grow my own than overpay for someone else’s or pick through their garbage. The Chiefs have too many needs and not enough ammo.

Eydugstr
05-01-2014, 08:49 PM
First of all, if youíre going to mock me at least mock what I really said, not your incorrect interpretation. Nowhere did I advocate going free agent nutty. I expressed frustration that not a single upgrade was made at all. Every free agent that left has been replaced by a lesser player. Every single one.

The Chiefs arenít filling holes with last yearís draftees. Theyíre filling them with low end free agents like Rishaw Johnson, JM Johnson, Hussain Abdullah, some CFL WR reject, etc, etc. The only rookie from last yearís draft who might be a new starter is Sanders Commings.

Iím not advocating picking up a bunch of late round picks trading down from 23, although I always admired Jimmy Johnsonís approach of success through volume. Iím moving down 10-15 spots to get another R3, which, if Dorsey is as good as we all hope, has a good chance of being a solid contributor, if not a starter. I donít believe in Chiefs draft voodoo, so get an R2 & R3.

The Chiefs canít spare a pick from this yearís draft to move up. They could possibly bank on getting some comp picks next year and use one their 2015 picks.

Wessler a CFL reject ?!? The man held the grey cup !!!

ctchiefsfan
05-01-2014, 10:15 PM
Exactly so. Dressler is certainly from the CFL and his skills may or may not translate to the NFL, but only a fool would call Dressler a "CFL reject". If he doesn't pan out in the NFL, you can bet there will be several CFL teams trying to get him.

Mongo
05-02-2014, 12:18 AM
Exactly so. Dressler is certainly from the CFL and his skills may or may not translate to the NFL, but only a fool would call Dressler a "CFL reject". If he doesn't pan out in the NFL, you can bet there will be several CFL teams trying to get him.
Fool? That's not very nice. "Reject" was a strong choice of words, but if you're banking that a player "graduates" from the CFL to make an impact on an NFL team then you're the fool. Odds are against it.

Seek
05-02-2014, 08:37 AM
There’s no inconsistency. Rishaw Johnson played well in one game, but his history is that he has cut by SEA and worked out for CHI. Now he’s our starting RG. Why? Maybe it was a system thing. Maybe the light bulb finally went on. Or maybe he stank and still does but is starting in KC because they have no one better. My bet is on the choice 3.

Is Sanders Commings really a player or is he going to be out of the league in 3-5 years like most R5 picks? If he isn’t, we have Hussain Abdullah who wasn’t good enough to take Kendrick Lewis’s job a year ago.

Is A.J. Jenkins poop like he’s shown his entire career so far? Or will he share the same epiphany with Rishaw?

That’s three positions of glaring need. If the Chiefs were to trade down they might be able to address all three with high draft picks. Those 3 draft picks offer a better chance for success than a couple of guys who had one good game.

So, to summarize: I, too, have a draft first mentality. I’d rather grow my own than overpay for someone else’s or pick through their garbage. The Chiefs have too many needs and not enough ammo.

I don't recall the Chiefs Depth board being set, yet you are assuming players are starting that maybe are not. Who Says Kush is not elevated to Guard what if the best player avaiable in the first is the top Guard.

Abdullah did replace Lewis. He also had two picks in playoff game as the replacement for Lewis. It is why Lewis was not resigned and Abdullah was. Right now he is probably the starter with Commings as a back up.

I don't see WR as the problem everyone else does. I don't know why everyone has promoted Jenkins to starter, but Avery is stil here as is Hemmingway Jr. I think a good part of the problemw with our receivers, is how checked down the offense was and that was by Design to control the clock and lower turn overs. Once Charles went down in the play off game, the offense exploded.

I don't think the Chiefs have as many holes as you feel they do but the holes they do have are not the Key positions that people draft early in the draft. They are players that you pick up later such as Safety and Guard. We could very easily get our starting Guard or FS with the 23d. Not so much with the 39th.

ctchiefsfan
05-02-2014, 11:30 AM
Fool? That's not very nice. "Reject" was a strong choice of words, but if you're banking that a player "graduates" from the CFL to make an impact on an NFL team then you're the fool. Odds are against it.

ABSOLUTELY! I'd have been VERY FOOLISH to have said that Dressler was sure to make an impact for the Chiefs. But then, I DID'T say that. What I DID say was "...his skills may or may not translate to the NFL."


Meanwhile you DID refer to someone on the Chiefs as a "CFL reject". And since Dressler is, to the best of my knowledge, the only player on the Chiefs who came from the CFL, I can only conclude you were referring to Dressler. And whatever Dressler accomplishes for the Chiefs, he is most certainly NOT a CFL reject.

My statement was accurate. Yours was utter nonsense.

Mongo
05-02-2014, 12:12 PM
I don't recall the Chiefs Depth board being set, yet you are assuming players are starting that maybe are not. Who Says Kush is not elevated to Guard what if the best player avaiable in the first is the top Guard.

Abdullah did replace Lewis. He also had two picks in playoff game as the replacement for Lewis. It is why Lewis was not resigned and Abdullah was. Right now he is probably the starter with Commings as a back up.

I don't see WR as the problem everyone else does. I don't know why everyone has promoted Jenkins to starter, but Avery is stil here as is Hemmingway Jr. I think a good part of the problemw with our receivers, is how checked down the offense was and that was by Design to control the clock and lower turn overs. Once Charles went down in the play off game, the offense exploded.

I don't think the Chiefs have as many holes as you feel they do but the holes they do have are not the Key positions that people draft early in the draft. They are players that you pick up later such as Safety and Guard. We could very easily get our starting Guard or FS with the 23d. Not so much with the 39th.
Fair enough. I’ll agree to disagree. I can’t take a game or two as evidence we are fine at any position. I look at our roster and see players that are below average in many spots. Those are holes. The Chiefs roster is worse than last years.

Kush/Rishaw/Allen is a problem at both OG. I don’t care who starts. As of now its Allen and Rishaw. That sucks. Hussain Abdullah eventually replaced KLew because KLew was awful. Hussain Abdullah is not a quality starter, no more than KLew was. It's a hole. LE is a hole. WR2 & WR3 are holes. KR is a hole. MLB is a hole.

Maybe the bargain basement solutions employed work out. Geoff Schwartz was a bargain basement solution that worked out well. Akeem Jordan fared ok. We’ll see. The difference is this year’s band-aids are from the clearance rack at the bargain basement.

Eydugstr
05-02-2014, 05:55 PM
I don't recall the Chiefs Depth board being set, yet you are assuming players are starting that maybe are not. Who Says Kush is not elevated to Guard what if the best player avaiable in the first is the top Guard.

Abdullah did replace Lewis. He also had two picks in playoff game as the replacement for Lewis. It is why Lewis was not resigned and Abdullah was. Right now he is probably the starter with Commings as a back up.

I don't see WR as the problem everyone else does. I don't know why everyone has promoted Jenkins to starter, but Avery is stil here as is Hemmingway Jr. I think a good part of the problemw with our receivers, is how checked down the offense was and that was by Design to control the clock and lower turn overs. Once Charles went down in the play off game, the offense exploded.

I don't think the Chiefs have as many holes as you feel they do but the holes they do have are not the Key positions that people draft early in the draft. They are players that you pick up later such as Safety and Guard. We could very easily get our starting Guard or FS with the 23d. Not so much with the 39th.

That's a good point. Reid has publicly stated he likes to draft centers, then if needed put them at other spots on the line.

I would disagree with you about the WR position, simply too many drops. This draft is full of recievers that would be an instant upgrade over what we have. With that being said, because the draft is full of good WR's, there's no law saying that we can't draft a monster pass rusher first round, snag a WR in the third, then see what's available at guard, D-line or safety in the later rounds.

chief31
05-03-2014, 09:32 AM
First of all, if youíre going to mock me at least mock what I really said, not your incorrect interpretation.

I don't think you understand how internet mockery works.:lol:

Pro_Angler
05-03-2014, 09:53 PM
Obviously you never got the memo. Every year were passed on trade options. Teams in front of us and behind us get trade deals but chiefs never.

Mongo
05-04-2014, 12:07 PM
ABSOLUTELY! I'd have been VERY FOOLISH to have said that Dressler was sure to make an impact for the Chiefs. But then, I DID'T say that. What I DID say was "...his skills may or may not translate to the NFL."


Meanwhile you DID refer to someone on the Chiefs as a "CFL reject". And since Dressler is, to the best of my knowledge, the only player on the Chiefs who came from the CFL, I can only conclude you were referring to Dressler. And whatever Dressler accomplishes for the Chiefs, he is most certainly NOT a CFL reject.

My statement was accurate. Yours was utter nonsense.
My post, that you quoted, explained that "reject" was a strong choice of words. The content of the message delivered is not nonsense. The Chiefs are banking on a lot of probable crap making a difference. Apparently you'd rather harp on minor details because you don't want to hear it.

ctchiefsfan
05-04-2014, 01:59 PM
Tell you what....Lets write off my use of the word "fool" and your use of the phrase "CFL reject" as beer talk (whether it was or wasn't) and move on. Fair enough?

Mongo
05-04-2014, 07:24 PM
Tell you what....Lets write off my use of the word "fool" and your use of the phrase "CFL reject" as beer talk (whether it was or wasn't) and move on. Fair enough?Cool Beans

ctchiefsfan
05-04-2014, 10:18 PM
Good deal. Plenty of stuff I don't agree with you on, but there is no point in a couple of Chiefs fans getting in a fight over 3 poorly selected words.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming which will soon be supplanted by arguments over the draft choices we make.