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brdempsey69
04-29-2014, 01:32 PM
....then for all those wanting a WR to be drafted at #23, you have to seriously consider this guy, if he's there at #23. You can't coach 4.33 speed and this guy can play in the slot or outside and could force opposing teams to keep a Safety deep at all times. Great character guy who's never missed a game on any level & if he plays in the NFL like he did in college, then he'll add an explosive element to the Chiefs receiving corp that Dex couldn't add. And yes, he can return kicks.

Sam Mellinger of the KC Star has projected the Chiefs to take him at #23 & if we remember what Dorsey said about taking the "best player who is the best fit for the Chiefs", then this guy fits that bill.

There are varying perspectives, of course, on who the Chiefs should take with their top draft pick, but one thing to remember is that the Chiefs most likely won't be able to cover all bases in the 2014 draft and I personally believe it's going to take a combination of this 2014 draft and the 2015 draft to get this team over the hump. With that said, I have to keep an open mind to an explosive play-maker like this guy that has the potential to not only be a game-changer but a season changer, as well. No hero-worship involved with considering this guy. It clearly comes from a football standpoint.

Watch the vid below and post your thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYr5OLsZDps

jason1981
04-29-2014, 04:15 PM
Ok who is he? Name?

Bortnem
04-29-2014, 04:16 PM
I wouldnt mind landing him here...I just dont think he will make it to us at 23. Another WR that I am particularly high on is Marquise Lee. Most mocks have him going around where we pick and if he is available I think he would be a great fit for us as well. It would be a tough call on who to take is by some miracle both Lee and Cooks were available at 23

Bortnem
04-29-2014, 04:17 PM
Ok who is he? Name?

His name is Brandin Cooks...says it on the video

Eydugstr
04-29-2014, 04:23 PM
TY for posting that clip, Brd. Usually the speed guys don't like to make catches up the middle, most want to just burn post patterns. This guy looks capable of doing both, and with that speed, could contribute on ST and at the very least take over DMC's spot.

jason1981
04-29-2014, 04:24 PM
Nevermind I decided to click the link. Yeah he looks like a beast. I think I read somewhere that denver is high on him. If hes there we shoukd take him. If we trade down I dont think he will be there.

brdempsey69
04-29-2014, 05:09 PM
Nevermind I decided to click the link. Yeah he looks like a beast. I think I read somewhere that denver is high on him. If hes there we shoukd take him. If we trade down I dont think he will be there.

Good point about Denver or any other division rival. If Cooks were to wind up with an AFC West rival, the Chiefs don't have any DB's that would be able to cover him one on one for an entire game. To me, Cooks is a great talent that's a great fit for the Chiefs & considering that Tavon Austin went #8 overall last year and is a similar player, then Cooks would be worthy of the Chiefs pick at #23 and like you said, he won't fall out of round 1, as NO and CAR or some other team picking in the next 9 picks is going to take him.

I know about the Defensive needs the Chiefs have, but one can also consider that taking Cooks at #23 does free them up to look heavily at Defensive players with an O-Lineman thrown in there throughout the rest of the draft.


I wouldnt mind landing him here...I just dont think he will make it to us at 23. Another WR that I am particularly high on is Marquise Lee. Most mocks have him going around where we pick and if he is available I think he would be a great fit for us as well. It would be a tough call on who to take is by some miracle both Lee and Cooks were available at 23

My leaning would be more towards Cooks if it came down to a choice between Cooks or Lee. Cooks has proved to be more durable and he's faster.

jason1981
04-29-2014, 06:25 PM
We need speed cuz thats one thing you can't coach. So id take cook over lee. I think bigger wr are easier to find then someone with speed who aw talented as cook. We have enough big wr on our roster already.

brdempsey69
04-29-2014, 06:34 PM
We need speed cuz thats one thing you can't coach. So id take cook over lee. I think bigger wr are easier to find then someone with speed who aw talented as cook. We have enough big wr on our roster already.

I believe that Chip Kelly picking at #22 wants bigger WR's -- hence the release of DeSean Jackson ( plus his salary ) and he might be inclined to take Lee over Cooks. So be it. Plus, I can't overlook Philly possibly wanting Defensive player with their 1st pick and looking at WR in round 2.

Bortnem
04-29-2014, 07:16 PM
We need speed cuz thats one thing you can't coach. So id take cook over lee. I think bigger wr are easier to find then someone with speed who aw talented as cook. We have enough big wr on our roster already.


I believe that Chip Kelly picking at #22 wants bigger WR's -- hence the release of DeSean Jackson ( plus his salary ) and he might be inclined to take Lee over Cooks. So be it. Plus, I can't overlook Philly possibly wanting Defensive player with their 1st pick and looking at WR in round 2.

I agree that you cant teach speed and we have our "bigger" wide receivers in Bowe and maybe Hemmingway if he can get more playing time, but Lee isnt that "big" of a WR. He is only 5' 11'' and maybe 200 lbs. Not that Cooks doesnt have good hands, I just like the route running and hands Lee has. Both would be excellent additions to our team. But if it comes down to the two of them, I just hope we draft the one that will help the offense better (whether that be Cooks or Lee) and not sway our 1st round pick on other things like special teams. If we need more special teams help, we can find that later in the draft. Earlier picks need to be for the benefit of the offense or defense.

But like I said, I would be very happy to land either of these, or Odell Beckham Jr as well.

brdempsey69
04-29-2014, 07:28 PM
One thing to remember is the Chiefs were in the market for Emmanuel Sanders, so that should tell us they're in the market for a WR somewhere in this upcoming draft. And I wouldn't be surprised if Avery gets traded to somebody.

Justin5772002
04-29-2014, 07:28 PM
Isn't that what we picked up Dressler for? We have mcClusters replacement already. I'm still swayed Tuitt if he's there

ctchiefsfan
04-29-2014, 08:37 PM
Highlight reels are highlight reels and everybody looks like a superstar. That said, I saw everything you want in a receiver....good hands, able to shrug off hits and maintain possession, reasonably good at gaining separation, smart runner after the catch. I can see no reason to complain if he winds up on the roster.

stevefuller
04-29-2014, 08:37 PM
personally i like three players at 23
odell beckham, ryan shazier and calvin pryor
i believe only shazier will be available at 23
brandon cooks looks awesome i do not believe he falls to 23 if he is available we would most definately consider him
then select bruce ellington wr at #87...sure we have other needs but what would that do for our receiving core\adding cooks and ellington?
guess what i am saying is if you can add two potential play makers in one draft....its something ive been toying with for several days. i must add if bridgewater falls you have to consider him.
arrowhead addict had a scenario where anthony barr falls to #23(will not happen but if it did...you have to take him right?)
i just am hoping we do not draft out of need...you have to stick to your board and go after the best player available even in the third round when we get on the clock in the third there will be players you never thought would fall to that spot
i still believe we will bring in a veteran or two offense lineman(guards) ....i would expect dorsey and reid to decide who they are going to extend a smith berry houston etc etc and this will create cap space for a season or two.

stevefuller
04-29-2014, 08:45 PM
herm edwards was on espn draft show last night hammering away about how so many teams make the mistake of drafting out of need and not sticking to your board and getting the better players even if it isnt a specific need
i do not know how to add video like dempsey did on cooks but if you have time check out bruce ellington wr south carolina...mel kiper said a couple nights ago he may end up as the steal of the draft
"has shown the history of making the game changing play" compares to randall cobb wr(who i wanted so bad in the 2011 draft we select rodney hudson in the 2nd round instead)....cooks and ellington i would welcome that duo in a split second

Mongo
05-02-2014, 12:25 AM
One thing to remember is the Chiefs were in the market for Emmanuel Sanders, so that should tell us they're in the market for a WR somewhere in this upcoming draft. And I wouldn't be surprised if Avery gets traded to somebody.
Who's going to trade for Avery and take on his salary when they could wait until he's released and sign him cheap?

brdempsey69
05-02-2014, 01:46 AM
Who's going to trade for Avery and take on his salary when they could wait until he's released and sign him cheap?

Try Carolina who's desperate for WR's. And the Chiefs can't release him without a cap hit, I believe. At least not this year.

7th rounder from Panthers might get it done.

Eydugstr
05-02-2014, 08:20 AM
Try Carolina who's desperate for WR's. And the Chiefs can't release him without a cap hit, I believe. At least not this year.

7th rounder from Panthers might get it done.

If for some reason all these WR's start getting snatched up left and right, and leaves some team out there looking for a WR, it might actually be feasible for someone to trade for him. His cap hit is very small.

ctchiefsfan
05-02-2014, 12:04 PM
Avery is under contract through 2015. His cap number was as follows....2013=$1.8 million (dead money $3.25 million); 2014=$2.85 million (dead money $2.0 million); 2015=$4.05 million (dead money $500K).

Cutting him this year would yield cap savings of $850K. A team trading for him this year would be taking a cap hit of 6.9 million over 2 years with the ability to cut him for the 2015 season for cap savings of $3.55 million.

With the way the contract is structured he would be VERY attractive as trade bait for someone needing some depth at WR. It's easy to see him cutting traded, maybe even cut this year.

My bet is that unless we get a "sure thing" WR in the draft we'll keep him this year and trade or cut him next year just to free up that $3.55 million.

ctchiefsfan
05-02-2014, 12:05 PM
Avery is under contract through 2015. His cap number was as follows....2013=$1.8 million (dead money $3.25 million); 2014=$2.85 million (dead money $2.0 million); 2015=$4.05 million (dead money $500K).

Cutting him this year would yield cap savings of $850K. A team trading for him this year would be taking a cap hit of 6.9 million over 2 years with the ability to cut him for the 2015 season for cap savings of $3.55 million.

With the way the contract is structured he would be VERY attractive as trade bait for someone needing some depth at WR. It's easy to see him getting traded, maybe even cut this year.

My bet is that unless we get a "sure thing" WR in the draft we'll keep him this year and trade or cut him next year just to free up that $3.55 million.

(Cap numbers from overthecap.com)

brdempsey69
05-02-2014, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the info ctchiefsfan.

With all that, I'd still take Cooks over any Safety like Clinton-Dix or Pryor with that #23 overall pick and I don't care how much money is already being spent on the WR's.

ctchiefsfan
05-02-2014, 02:30 PM
Glad to......

One thing that concerns me a lot is Bowe and Berry. We have a fortune tied up in those two and I can't say that either one of them performed up to their cost last year.

Whether our first pick is # 23 or we trade down I'd like to see us address one of those positions with our first pick--whatever it winds up being. Both of them need to up their game this season or go away. Bowe more so than Berry.

brdempsey69
05-02-2014, 10:39 PM
Glad to......

One thing that concerns me a lot is Bowe and Berry. We have a fortune tied up in those two and I can't say that either one of them performed up to their cost last year.

Whether our first pick is # 23 or we trade down I'd like to see us address one of those positions with our first pick--whatever it winds up being. Both of them need to up their game this season or go away. Bowe more so than Berry.

I can't see drafting a Safety with the top pick, without seeing what the Chiefs have with Sanders Commings. Commings is much faster than Pryor or Clinton-Dix. What would happen if the the Chiefs did draft a Safety with the top draft pick, only to have Commings win the starting job at FS by the end of pre-season? Then you've just spent a top draft pick on a backup.

With that said, it makes no sense to me to spend the top draft pick on a Safety. They'd be better served to look at that position later in the draft.

Besides, as eydugstr pointed out to me, the Chiefs will have extra picks in the 2015 draft and will be able to draft an entire Defensive backfield if they want to & probably have FA cap space to boot.

ctchiefsfan
05-03-2014, 12:53 AM
I can't see drafting a Safety with the top pick, without seeing what the Chiefs have with Sanders Commings. Commings is much faster than Pryor or Clinton-Dix. What would happen if the the Chiefs did draft a Safety with the top draft pick, only to have Commings win the starting job at FS by the end of pre-season? Then you've just spent a top draft pick on a backup.

With that said, it makes no sense to me to spend the top draft pick on a Safety. They'd be better served to look at that position later in the draft.

Besides, as eydugstr pointed out to me, the Chiefs will have extra picks in the 2015 draft and will be able to draft an entire Defensive backfield if they want to & probably have FA cap space to boot.

For the most part I have no arguments with what you've said.

But as a minor point of disagreement....

1) If we pick at #23, I want to see us grabbing a WR---IF one of the big names are still available. If not, then I'd be OK with a safety--IF that player was at least close to BPA. 'Cause I figure we need a real good safety more than we need a "maybe" WR.

2) If we trade down to the 2cond round, then I would be OK with grabbing a safety if that safety seemed to be one of the BPA. 'Cause there probably won't be any big time WR talent available in the 2cond round.

With our first pick, be it round one or round two, I would prefer we draft a WR. But if when it comes time to pick, there is a substantially better safety than any WR available, then I'm good with picking that safety.

WR and Safety are areas where we have real needs. I hope that with our first pick (wherever it is) we will pick the BPA at one of these two positions.

jason1981
05-03-2014, 02:22 AM
For the most part I have no arguments with what you've said.

But as a minor point of disagreement....

1) If we pick at #23, I want to see us grabbing a WR---IF one of the big names are still available. If not, then I'd be OK with a safety--IF that player was at least close to BPA. 'Cause I figure we need a real good safety more than we need a "maybe" WR.

2) If we trade down to the 2cond round, then I would be OK with grabbing a safety if that safety seemed to be one of the BPA. 'Cause there probably won't be any big time WR talent available in the 2cond round.

With our first pick, be it round one or round two, I would prefer we draft a WR. But if when it comes time to pick, there is a substantially better safety than any WR available, then I'm good with picking that safety.

WR and Safety are areas where we have real needs. I hope that with our first pick (wherever it is) we will pick the BPA at one of these two positions.

Dont forget we need a de.thats how we stop qbs. We need pass rush. Im all flr trading down a.d taking de tuiit if cook isnt there any more.

ctchiefsfan
05-03-2014, 06:14 AM
Dont forget we need a de.thats how we stop qbs. We need pass rush. Im all flr trading down a.d taking de tuiit if cook isnt there any more.

No arguments from me. Our secondary got torched in the last third of the season last year. One way or another we have to figure out how to stop that. Whether we do it by making the QB run for his life or by covering receivers like white on rice is not important. What DOES matter is that we never see another 25 minutes like the last 25 minutes of the playoff game last year. You can't be a contender if you give up 28 points in 28 minutes. I don't know how to fix it, but I sure as hell know it has to be fixed.

Eydugstr
05-03-2014, 09:17 AM
Dont forget we need a de.thats how we stop qbs. We need pass rush. Im all flr trading down a.d taking de tuiit if cook isnt there any more.

I'm still onboard with the idea of Tuitt or possibly Hagemann in the first round, and trying for a WR in the third.

But let me propose this scenario...Let's say we're able to get our pass rusher and WR in rounds one & three. If another reciever falls to the fourth or fifth round (say Kelvin Benjiman), do you double dip at WR?

ctchiefsfan
05-03-2014, 11:38 AM
I think once you get past round 3 then you are pretty much looking for BPA regardless of "need". So many players after round 3 never make it that at round 4 and later you're just looking for that guy that can make the roster. If you wind up needing him great, if not then down the road at least you have some "trade bait" for a team that actually needs someone at that position.

On that subject, next year we are going to have 3 or 4 compensatory picks for the free agents we lost this year. IIRC we are not allowed to trade those picks. But it does free up our regular picks in those rounds for trading purposes. Perhaps if we are lucky we can trade a couple of our regular later round picks that year into an extra 2cond round pick. Be nice to have a 1st and 2 2cond round picks next year.

Bortnem
05-03-2014, 02:03 PM
I'm still onboard with the idea of Tuitt or possibly Hagemann in the first round, and trying for a WR in the third.

But let me propose this scenario...Let's say we're able to get our pass rusher and WR in rounds one & three. If another reciever falls to the fourth or fifth round (say Kelvin Benjiman), do you double dip at WR?

Kevin Benjiman will never make it to the 4th or 5th round...at lowest he will go 2nd round

However, if this situation were to come true...I would hope we would be smart enough to take a first round talent in the 3-5 rounds (unlike last year when we passed on keenan allen who had 1st round talent)

brdempsey69
05-03-2014, 03:44 PM
Benjamin, to me, doesn't seem like a good fit for Reid's Offense and may be another Baldwin.

Bortnem
05-03-2014, 05:57 PM
Benjamin, to me, doesn't seem like a good fit for Reid's Offense and may be another Baldwin.

I agree... but if for some reason he falls to the 4-5 round it is a shot I would be willing to take. We wouldnt be wasting a 1st rounder on him like we did with Baldwin.

brdempsey69
05-03-2014, 06:32 PM
I agree... but if for some reason he falls to the 4-5 round it is a shot I would be willing to take. We wouldnt be wasting a 1st rounder on him like we did with Baldwin.

I suppose 4th or 5th round, I'd take a shot at Benjamin, as well, but even as a UDFA, I still don't think he'd last very long or fit into Reid's Offense.

Getting back to Brandin Cooks, I know that people have concerns about his size, but we saw a WR of the exact same size named Doug Baldwin have a field day against the Donkeys in the Super Bowl.

Eydugstr
05-03-2014, 07:28 PM
Benjamin, to me, doesn't seem like a good fit for Reid's Offense and may be another Baldwin.

Granted...there's some truth their about being KJ another Baldwin, wouldn't waste a 1st or even a 3rd on the guy.

The reason why I'm toying with the idea, is that when Reid was building Philly with McNabb, everyone complained they needed a big physical WR to really take off. They signed TO, and although they didn't win it, they made it to the big dance. TO was a free agent with an ego the size of the moon, but still think that the idea of having a big physical WR to balance out the speedier ones would give our opponents something to really struggle with.

brdempsey69
05-03-2014, 07:45 PM
The reason why I'm toying with the idea, is that when Reid was building Philly with McNabb, everyone complained they needed a big physical WR to really take off. They signed TO, and although they didn't win it, they made it to the big dance. TO was a free agent with an ego the size of the moon, but still think that the idea of having a big physical WR to balance out the speedier ones would give our opponents something to really struggle with.

Some might argue that description almost fits a guy the Chiefs already have..............Bowe.

Although, Bowe doesn't have quite the fat head that TO had. Well, at least not 1/2 as fat as TO.

Eydugstr
05-03-2014, 09:02 PM
Some might argue that description almost fits a guy the Chiefs already have..............Bowe.

Although, Bowe doesn't have quite the fat head that TO had. Well, at least not 1/2 as fat as TO.

I'd absolutely love it if Bowe would just cut his drops in half and be a reliable reciever. Going from Brian Daboll's offense to Andy Reid's must've been like going from wood shop to physics class. And no, he most certainly does not have an ego like TO's by any stretch!

ctchiefsfan
05-04-2014, 02:52 AM
This is EXACTLY the problem. Bowe is supposed to be that big, physical WR that can battle anybody out there for possession of the ball.

I didn't see it last year.

He's going to cost us $12 million this year. If he doesn't turn into a star this year then he needs to go.

Cutting him for 2015 would free up $3.5 million in cap space and if Bowe is not living up to his money then there are certainly going to be players that deserve and want that $3.5 mill more Bowe does.

If Bowe doesn't come up HUGE this year then I say he's not worth pishing on if his hair is on fire.

Mongo
05-04-2014, 12:18 PM
I really like Beckham. Once he ran a sub 4.4 I knew chances of drafting him became nil.

brdempsey69
05-04-2014, 03:40 PM
I really like Beckham. Once he ran a sub 4.4 I knew chances of drafting him became nil.

Beckham is a good prospect, but I believe Cooks is a better fit. Don't be deceived by Cooks size, as he has nearly 10-inch size hands & he threw up the 225 lb benchpress bar twice as many tines as Beckham did.