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07-14-2014, 03:42 PM
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At their best, the Chiefs are playoff-caliber. The Chiefs proved it a season ago with their sound, stout play en route to a wild card berth. The Chiefs forced 36 turnovers and committed a mere 18. Their defense proved too tough for weaker opposition. By early November, the Chiefs were 9-0 and had all butů
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doobs_05
07-14-2014, 04:53 PM
Not bad (I was predicting 7-9 or 8-8 anyways)

Lewis_Chiefs
07-14-2014, 06:42 PM
About right, all things point towards a mediocre season for us.

jap1
07-15-2014, 06:04 AM
I think we should have been ranked a little higher, in the top 15 or so, but I always take these rankings as a +/- 3 spots, so not far off. Realistically, talent and ability wise I think we would be around 12-14. But I think our schedule is going to out our record (I'm predicting 8-8 +/- 1) closer to 16-18 ranked team. So overall, I think they have a decent evaluation.

I do think our offense will be better than what they were predicting. After all the offense performed pretty well without JC in the playoffs. If they can keep up that production, we should be fine. To me the bigger question is which defense is going to show up. The one who shut out the weaker opponents, or the one who gave up the biggest comeback in playoff history.

ctchiefsfan
07-15-2014, 01:43 PM
As always, injuries or lack thereof will be critical. With our free agency and cut losses I feel fairly confident that both our offense and defense are only 1 key injury away from being in very bad trouble.

Then there are the imponderables......

1) Will Justin Houston hold out?

2) Will Dwayne Bowe be a star or a dud? He does after all have a history of up and down seasons.

3) Will Eric Fisher (now playing at the position he was drafted for) be a stud or a dud?

4) Will Alex Smith be the "game manager" we saw for the first half of last season or will he be the gunslinger we saw against the Colts, Washington and a few others?

And there are LOTS more.

All of the above means it's awfully difficult to make any predictions about this years Chiefs team.

If everything goes right I can see us going 10-6 or even 11-5 again. If everything goes wrong I could see us going 4-12.

So for now and "pending further review" I figure we go somewhere between 9-7 and 7-9. We have MUCH BETTER coaching than we have had since Herm the Worm came to town. Andy Reid gets more out of his players than Herm, Haley or Romeo ever did.

That is worth at least 2-3 extra wins.

We'll see how this rebuilding season goes, but with Reid at the helm I am optimistic about 2015-2018.

On the GM front, I like Dorsey.....but I think the jury is still out on how good a GM he is. I'm unimpressed with his contract negotiations and so far his supposed specialty of finding gold in the scrap heap is unproved. We've gotten Bray and Dressler and a few others, but these kinds of players take time to develop so IMO it's too early to pass judgement on Dorsey one way or the other. But there is NO DOUBT AT ALL IN MY MIND that Dorsey is a HUGE improvement over pissoli.

As far as I am concerned the Reid/Dorsey team earned themselves a minimum of 3 more more years with last years 11-5 record.

Pro_Angler
07-15-2014, 06:54 PM
realistically with the off season we've had 6 wins..maybe.. being serious..we need a new owner that actually wants to win a SB and not just fill seats.

jap1
07-15-2014, 07:04 PM
realistically with the off season we've had 6 wins..maybe.. being serious..we need a new owner that actually wants to win a SB and not just fill seats.

You keep saying the owner's actions show that he just wants to fill seats, but I have no clue how any of his actions this offseason correlate to getting more people to buy tickets. If that was his goal, he has done a horrible job. All of the moves they made were to undo the crappy contracts from previous years, as well as setting us up to have better FA/drafting in future years. What did you want, keep everyone and add a bunch of all stars that want a lot of money. News flash, we were in salary cap purgatory. We are now able to extend players like Houston and possibly Smith.

ctchiefsfan
07-15-2014, 07:10 PM
You keep saying the owner's actions show that he just wants to fill seats, but I have no clue how any of his actions this offseason correlate to getting more people to buy tickets. If that was his goal, he has done a horrible job. All of the moves they made were to undo the crappy contracts from previous years, as well as setting us up to have better FA/drafting in future years. What did you want, keep everyone and add a bunch of all stars that want a lot of money. News flash, we were in salary cap purgatory. We are now able to extend players like Houston and possibly Smith.

The voice of reason.

matthewschiefs
07-15-2014, 07:47 PM
realistically with the off season we've had 6 wins..maybe.. being serious..we need a new owner that actually wants to win a SB and not just fill seats.

Pro maybe you can outline for us what it was that happened this offseason that upset you with Clark, because I just don't understand your issue with him.

Clark Hunt is the owner of the team. He's not Jerry Jones he's not the owner that gets in the way he lets his GM do his job. Your issue if you're unhappy with this offseason should be with Dorsey not Clark as he is the one in charge of putting the team together.

As jap pointed out this was a team that had major cap issues this offseason. This is not baseball where a team can just go out and spend whatever they want. They didn't have a ton of cap room. And unlike some teams have done in the past they didn't try to do some funny tricks to create cap room.

But outside of that if you don't like these types of offseasons that you're just going to have to get use to if John Dorsey is going to be around for a while. I've said this all offseason. He's a build through the draft guy. He's not going to go get a lot of high price free agents. It's just not how he does things. And you know what THAT'S GOOD. Anther thing I've said all offseason is teams who do what Denver did this offseason just doesn't work out. This is the best example I can give. Think of the uncapped year we had a few years ago. Philly,Dallas,Chicago all went out spent a TON of money. Philly was called a "dream team" who went to the superbowl that year. Green Bay and Pittsburgh two teams that build through the draft and don't get a lot of high price free agents.

I do expect this team to take a bit of a step back this year. But I do think they will be in the running for a playoff spot. People got to remeber that while this team didn't go out and get a bunch of top guys they didn't lose anything all that great either. Flowers was damn good true but he was hurt many games last year along with the other main guy that was lost in Albert. Also this teams backups nearly beat a playoff team fighting for their lifes last season and without a refs mistake they very well could have. It's not as dark as it seems folks

Seek
07-16-2014, 09:11 AM
Pro maybe you can outline for us what it was that happened this offseason that upset you with Clark, because I just don't understand your issue with him.

Clark Hunt is the owner of the team. He's not Jerry Jones he's not the owner that gets in the way he lets his GM do his job. Your issue if you're unhappy with this offseason should be with Dorsey not Clark as he is the one in charge of putting the team together.

As jap pointed out this was a team that had major cap issues this offseason. This is not baseball where a team can just go out and spend whatever they want. They didn't have a ton of cap room. And unlike some teams have done in the past they didn't try to do some funny tricks to create cap room.

But outside of that if you don't like these types of offseasons that you're just going to have to get use to if John Dorsey is going to be around for a while. I've said this all offseason. He's a build through the draft guy. He's not going to go get a lot of high price free agents. It's just not how he does things. And you know what THAT'S GOOD. Anther thing I've said all offseason is teams who do what Denver did this offseason just doesn't work out. This is the best example I can give. Think of the uncapped year we had a few years ago. Philly,Dallas,Chicago all went out spent a TON of money. Philly was called a "dream team" who went to the superbowl that year. Green Bay and Pittsburgh two teams that build through the draft and don't get a lot of high price free agents.

I do expect this team to take a bit of a step back this year. But I do think they will be in the running for a playoff spot. People got to remeber that while this team didn't go out and get a bunch of top guys they didn't lose anything all that great either. Flowers was damn good true but he was hurt many games last year along with the other main guy that was lost in Albert. Also this teams backups nearly beat a playoff team fighting for their lifes last season and without a refs mistake they very well could have. It's not as dark as it seems folks

I think he is upset with Clark Hunt for coming in an letting go of Carl Peterson after many felt his father was too loyal to him, and brought in who everyone thought was the best possible GM, with Scott Pioli. I don't recall anyone upset with Clark during this time. I even saw signs in the crowd Carls last year, to Hire Pioli during the games. Everyone saw the serious side of Clark and his intent to be the best.

Clark was then able to admit that it was a mistake and then went out and hired a head coach with a very strong history in winning, then hired a GM tied another a team rich with history, but said this time everything has to go through me for a final say just to make sure the same mistakes were not made with Pioli.

So instantly in one year making this change they went from worste to first and to the play offs but at a cost, so why not blame the Owner he does not care at all about getting this team to a superbowl or being a highly respected YOUNG owner who was very infused in the collective bargain discussions being the voice for all teams big and small. It has always been about filling his pockets and not the for the greater good of the KC Chiefs.

Pro has a right to his opinion. However, he is clearly opinionated by some sort of anger directed at the wrong person and possibly team. I think he may be confused with the Royals and Glass ownership who is selling a Walmart product of a sports team. I am very pleased with Clark Hunt as the owner and respect him just as much as his father who was a staple for the NFL not just the Chiefs.

ctchiefsfan
07-16-2014, 01:17 PM
Both matthewchiefs and Seek have said it well...Clark Hunt has done a pretty good job as owner and through his part in the new CBA has become a force to be reckoned with in the NFL. That said, he has not yet completed his primary task, which is to make the Chiefs a perennial contender.

In John Dorsey (age 54 in August) I think he has gotten someone that can be our GM for the next 10 years or maybe a bit longer, and I think he's going to get better at the job than he already is (which is pretty good to begin with).

Andy Reid (age 56) is a very good coach. He really gets a lot out of his players. As many have said, I fully expect this year to be a setback compared to last year thanks to our cap troubles and Free Agency losses, but we are going to have a lot of compensatory picks in the 2015 draft and I suspect we'll have a few extra picks in the 2016 draft as well. Even though compensatory picks can not be traded, they do free up our regular picks for trade purposes. Going into the 2016 season we are going to have probably the youngest and least expensive team in the NFL....which will give us cap space to keep the players that have proved themselves deserving of big contracts. The backbone of our Chiefs will be playing on rookie contracts and with Reid coaching them they will be playing well.

So IMO we are in a position to be a contender again in the 2015 season and probably through at least the 2020 season.

I believe that at the least the "Schottenheimer years" are back and I think Andy Reid is going to do FAR better in the playoffs than Marty did.

My only real concern about our Chiefs right now is that I wish Andy Reid was 10 years younger and John Dorsey was 5-6 years younger. But I am confident that after struggling this year, 2015 to at least 2020 are going to be really fun years to be a Chiefs fan.

Reid and Dorsey will make the NFL forget all about the Patriots.

kcvet
07-18-2014, 07:04 PM
BTY wife and I live closer to training camp now. was thinking of going up there with the camera's. is it open to the public everyday???

Seek
07-21-2014, 08:47 AM
BTY wife and I live closer to training camp now. was thinking of going up there with the camera's. is it open to the public everyday???

I don't know their schedule but they post the public sessions on the web site. Last year the made one session each day public and the other was private. Anything indoors is private. Last year we went to a morning session which was different from the previous year. I believe Andy had them outdoors when it was cooler then indoors during the heat of the day.

kcvet
07-21-2014, 10:14 AM
I don't know their schedule but they post the public sessions on the web site. Last year the made one session each day public and the other was private. Anything indoors is private. Last year we went to a morning session which was different from the previous year. I believe Andy had them outdoors when it was cooler then indoors during the heat of the day.

thanks. first day of TC is this thrusday. looks like its open to the general public. but no more after that.

Seek
07-21-2014, 11:54 AM
thanks. first day of TC is this thrusday. looks like its open to the general public. but no more after that.

I don't believe that to be correct. I listed the practice schedule. I believe all of those dates are public practices. I know it said the First day is open to the public, but I think that was just confirming all the days open to the public were listed below. It looks to be the same schedule as last year and I went one of the last days just before they closed Training camp.

kcvet
07-21-2014, 12:15 PM
I don't believe that to be correct. I listed the practice schedule. I believe all of those dates are public practices. I know it said the First day is open to the public, but I think that was just confirming all the days open to the public were listed below. It looks to be the same schedule as last year and I went one of the last days just before they closed Training camp.

the schedule claims first day is this thursday the 24th. open to the public

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Thursday dates for 2014 Chiefs Training Camp presented by Mosaic Life Care at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo. All times and dates are subject to change. Walk-through practices are closed to the public.

link (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Training-Camp-Schedule-Dates-and-Times/d316371d-e006-4999-9340-0a91094ca9b7)

Seek
07-21-2014, 02:46 PM
the schedule claims first day is this thursday the 24th. open to the public

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Thursday dates for 2014 Chiefs Training Camp presented by Mosaic Life Care at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo. All times and dates are subject to change. Walk-through practices are closed to the public.

link (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Training-Camp-Schedule-Dates-and-Times/d316371d-e006-4999-9340-0a91094ca9b7)
Yeah, like I previously thought. The Walk throughs are the days before and after the games and their second session in the after noon which is usually film and work outs. The only thing you need to worry about is the weather. If they move it in doors you only get like a half hour notice so if you plan on going a day and the weather is questionable you may make the trip for nothing. Just saying that from experience.

All practices beginning on July 24 will be open to the public. Practices conducted indoors due to inclement weather at Missouri Western will not be open to the public. Groups of players will sign autographs following each practice session. Unless otherwise noted, all outdoor training camp practices will be free of charge. Missouri Western will charge a $5 parking fee per vehicle per day.

kcvet
07-21-2014, 03:34 PM
Yeah, like I previously thought. The Walk throughs are the days before and after the games and their second session in the after noon which is usually film and work outs. The only thing you need to worry about is the weather. If they move it in doors you only get like a half hour notice so if you plan on going a day and the weather is questionable you may make the trip for nothing. Just saying that from experience.

All practices beginning on July 24 will be open to the public. Practices conducted indoors due to inclement weather at Missouri Western will not be open to the public. Groups of players will sign autographs following each practice session. Unless otherwise noted, all outdoor training camp practices will be free of charge. Missouri Western will charge a $5 parking fee per vehicle per day.

yes the heat is a factor. this ole man can't take it. 84 on thursday and they start at 3:30. my wife is ticked she has to work. so since im close i may run up there and just stay in the car till i find out what's gonna happen. so hope i get some good pics. if so ill post em here. now i just have to find this place

Seek
07-22-2014, 10:31 AM
yes the heat is a factor. this ole man can't take it. 84 on thursday and they start at 3:30. my wife is ticked she has to work. so since im close i may run up there and just stay in the car till i find out what's gonna happen. so hope i get some good pics. if so ill post em here. now i just have to find this place

Its pretty easy to find.