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hermhater
10-25-2007, 05:07 PM
Holmes' selfish ways have hurt the Chiefs

By JASON WHITLOCK

The Kansas City Star


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According to my e-mail, voice mail, Carl Peterson and FOP — friends of Priest Holmes — I owe Kansas City’s 34-year-old running back an apology.
According to my respected colleagues at The Star, local TV stars Jack Harry and Frank Boal and ESPN.com’s Len Pasquarelli, last Sunday Priest Holmes completed a remarkable comeback by playing against the Oakland Raiders.
King Carl made a point to stroll by me in Kansas City’s victorious, postgame locker room and triumphantly announce, “Priest Holmes is back.”
Back from what, quitting?
Seriously, it gets old playing the role of bad guy, but someone has to do it. It seems like when it comes to discussing or analyzing athletes, we’re locked in this never-ending game of good or evil, hero or goat, right or wrong.
Most of us are filled with a little of both. Priest Holmes certainly is.
I’m going to clarify my position on Priest Holmes one last time, and then be done with it.
I don’t dislike Priest Holmes. For reasons I do not know, I believe he intentionally tries to confuse people, particularly the news media, coaches and front-office executives. That is his right. For that reason, I believe virtually nothing that comes out of his mouth. I believe his actions.
He quit football. Nothing wrong with that. He tired of the game, took an opportunity to walk away and collect a 2006 paycheck while sitting at home. I say he “quit” because his actions indicate just that. Players get injured all the time, and you can’t get them away from the game, the locker room, the film study, the fellowship with teammates and coaches.
Anyone remember Trent Green? How did he react when injured a year ago or even this season in Miami? They carried Trent Green off on a stretcher, strapped to a gurney like a death-row inmate, and he was back in the locker room begging to play in a couple of weeks.
Holmes? He walked off the field in San Diego in 2005 after absorbing a hit from Shawne Merriman. No one has ever offered a clear, concise explanation of his injury. Jack Harry, at one time, described it as a “tumor” for his viewers. Whatever, Holmes was never hospitalized, as far as I know. There was no extensive rehab. As best as I can remember, Holmes’ Los Angeles doctor prescribed rest.
We’re not talking about Kevin Everett relearning to walk, Lance Armstrong surviving chemotherapy, Mike Alstott coming back to football after having a disk in his neck removed and replaced with a vertebra from a cadaver, Alonzo Mourning recovering from kidney disease.
We’re talking about a hard hit, tingling in Holmes’ fingers, inconclusive tests and a prescription of rest.
Holmes rested in San Antonio, away from his teammates and away from his employer. According to Holmes, he spent his time away from football connecting with his five children. Great. It’s good that Holmes wants to be a father to his kids. Many responsible men balance parenting with career demands and wife demands. Most good fathers would love to spend 22 uninterrupted months connecting with their children.
I’m not blasting Priest Holmes. Trent Green should’ve retired last year. But don’t you think Green could’ve found a doctor to prescribe a year’s worth of rest to recover from his concussion, if he was looking for a way to sit at home and get paid?
Now, sometime over the summer, the Chiefs tried to talk Holmes into announcing his retirement. Holmes declined, and in late July he announced he would report to training camp. Again, there was no clear, concise explanation of what had transpired to magically make Holmes healthy enough to play. Holmes credited a dream.

I credit Carl Peterson. He basically told Holmes to retire or play. There were no more free paychecks for “resting” in San Antonio.
I wish Holmes much success this season. A lot of people are rooting for Holmes because they’ve soured on Larry “LJ-Z” Johnson. LJ-Z has been a poor teammate. In comparison, Holmes looks like a good teammate.
I’m not so sure. The reality is Holmes could’ve worked out with the Chiefs during the offseason and reported to training camp ready to contribute. Had Holmes been with the team in March, demonstrated he was serious about playing, participated in exhibition games, perhaps Carl Peterson could’ve dealt with LJ-Z more aggressively in contract negotiations. Who knows? Peterson might’ve pulled the trigger on a trade with the Packers.
Holmes’ selfishness hurt the Chiefs. It can’t all be explained away because Holmes has convinced everyone he’s different. If that’s the case, then Larry Johnson is different, too, and we should all just accept it.
We don’t have to accept it. The Chiefs have two running backs who allow their selfish tendencies to undermine team progress.


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anaeelbackwards
10-25-2007, 05:17 PM
since when did the guy quit football? i thought he was injured and rehabbing?

hermhater
10-25-2007, 05:19 PM
since when did the guy quit football? i thought he was injured and rehabbing?

Exactly!

Fatlock just has to print words and he isn't even a Chiefs fan, so he need to quit bashing them!

:mob: :mob: :mob: :mob:

chiefinsyr
10-25-2007, 05:58 PM
We are seeing the effects of not having rest now, with the old players now not having their money to pay for the numerous injuries that they have now. The biggest example would be Earl Campbell. He can't move now. If that's not an injury, I don't know what is. Having a year of rest could help to eliminate or help to heal some of these injuries that most players will get later on in life.

Chiefster
10-25-2007, 07:09 PM
I pay little to no attention to him; and little just ran out.

timsatt1
10-25-2007, 07:31 PM
The author is just speaking BS to get a rise out of people, to get his name out. He doesn't even believe what he says. No big deal.

Priest is my favorite player.

DrunkHillbilly
10-25-2007, 09:50 PM
since when did the guy quit football? i thought he was injured and rehabbing?

I'm not sure I agree with all of what Fatlock says, but rehabbing for 2 years???? With pay??? Seriously!

hermhater
10-25-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm not sure I agree with all of what Fatlock says, but rehabbing for 2 years???? With pay??? Seriously!

When one gets a neck and/or spinal injury, one is smart to take their time deciding ones future.

:toast2:

m0ef0e
10-25-2007, 10:11 PM
I'm anxious to see what Priest will do for us this year. We are in a good position to really start developing some chemistry on offense, imo

:fatlock: sux

Canada
10-25-2007, 10:52 PM
I'm not sure I agree with all of what Fatlock says, but rehabbing for 2 years???? With pay??? Seriously!

That is what you would get if you hurt yourself at any other job.

timsatt1
10-25-2007, 11:40 PM
if you think about it, what could he do BUT keep quiet?

2 years ago, could he say...i am training for a comeback? NO! they would not give him two years. they would push him to miss one season and be back the next. What team has ever given someone two years. He knew he couldnt come out with this plan publicly. 2 years is unheard of.

HOWEVER, two years is the right thing to do FOR HIM. Get his body ready and play when it is truly ready. Priest is a very smart individual in my opinion. I hope he shocks people this year. He is a big threat...block, catch, run. BIG PIMPIN.

LJ is very immobile and not versatile like Priest.

hermhater
10-26-2007, 12:42 AM
I'm not sure I agree with all of what Fatlock says, but rehabbing for 2 years???? With pay??? Seriously!


When one gets a neck and/or spinal injury, one is smart to take their time deciding ones future.

:toast2:


I'm anxious to see what Priest will do for us this year. We are in a good position to really start developing some chemistry on offense, imo

:fatlock: sux


That is what you would get if you hurt yourself at any other job.


if you think about it, what could he do BUT keep quiet?

2 years ago, could he say...i am training for a comeback? NO! they would not give him two years. they would push him to miss one season and be back the next. What team has ever given someone two years. He knew he couldnt come out with this plan publicly. 2 years is unheard of.

HOWEVER, two years is the right thing to do FOR HIM. Get his body ready and play when it is truly ready. Priest is a very smart individual in my opinion. I hope he shocks people this year. He is a big threat...block, catch, run. BIG PIMPIN.

LJ is very immobile and not versatile like Priest.

I respect your opinions DH, but dude, are you serious?

You say you are a Chiefs fan, but don't want PRIEST to heal and come back???

Are you in an alternate dimension? This could ONLY be good for the Chiefs?

Please explain your stance on this issue.










That is all.

greg3564
10-26-2007, 01:10 AM
The play where Priest ran it to the outside near the end of the game is just scratching the surface. I think Priest still has it in him to put up some serious yards. He has great ability to bounce off tackles and burst off to the sidelines and stretch plays. LJ is a "hit em' head on" kind of player. Not a bad thing if the offense can open a hole up the middle more often. With the O line playing the way it is now, I think Priest is a more ideal choice. Priests' smaller stature and nimbleness to avoid tackles is better suited right now. Hopefully dummy Herm can use Priest more and put LJ on the sidelines for a while.

chief31
10-26-2007, 01:33 AM
I'm not sure I agree with all of what Fatlock says, but rehabbing for 2 years???? With pay??? Seriously!

Some people, when proven wrong, just show bitterness and find some other excuse to remain negative about things. Never to admit their mistakes.

Instead of saying "Wow. I guess I was wrong about the guy", They forego any admitions with an attack from some other angle.

sling58
10-26-2007, 08:37 AM
I am glad Priest is back. I have loved watching him on the field since the day he doned the #31 for the Red and Gold. As for Fatlock, he is an idiot!

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:03 PM
Some people, when proven wrong, just show bitterness and find some other excuse to remain negative about things. Never to admit their mistakes.

Instead of saying "Wow. I guess I was wrong about the guy", They forego any admitions with an attack from some other angle.
Are YOU serious???? Pull your head out man!!! Reguardless of what Canada says, timsatt is right. It is unheard of to sit out for two full years, not communicate with your employer and still get paid!

Herm, I am definetley not a Priest hater. I do however think he may have either intentionally or unintentionally held the Chiefs hostage. CP was reporting all the time that there had been very little contact with Priest during those two years off. If as some say, he really didn't care about the money and was all about the team, why didn't he free up that money and let the team use it? I understand the logistics of how the salary cap works 31 so before you start spouting the NFL rules.......

31, how was I wrong about the guy? All I ever did was express my opinion about what I thought he should do. I still think he should retire! If his injury was SOOO serious that he had to sit out for two seasons, then there is a BETTER than avg chance he could do further and potentially more damage to his self now! Just like a post prior, guys get hurt all the time and they are back within weeks.

You guys need to stop getting it twisted! I have said in the past that Priest is one of my favorite players. I own 3 of his jersey's for god sakes! I just don't think it was right for him to take the money when he obviously knew he wasn't going to be there for a significant amount of time! The team could have possibly used that money.

anaeelbackwards
10-26-2007, 12:14 PM
i somewhat agree with drunkhillbilly, 2 years on the injured list and rehabbing is a while and still getting paid... if it were larry johnson, people would be asking for his head!

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:17 PM
i somewhat agree with drunkhillbilly, 2 years on the injured list and rehabbing is a while and still getting paid... if it were larry johnson, people would be asking for his head!

Would you guys honestly give up two years pay for the good of your employer??

sling58
10-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Would you guys honestly give up two years pay for the good of your employer??

Nope free money!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see anything wrong with what he did, everyone would take 22 months off and get paid for it. If you say you wouldn't your lying.

Get off his case already about it. My Grandpa has been drawing disability from the military for taking a bullet in the stomach in Korea, does he need to quit collecting his money just because he hasn't re-enlisted?

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:23 PM
Would you guys honestly give up two years pay for the good of your employer??
I wouldn't, obviously you wouldn't but apparrently we aren't as ethical and upstanding as everybody is saying Priest is.

Also, the $40k-100k thta the avg person makes is far less than what he was being paid. I know I would start to feel a little guilty after a year or so especially if I had not even talked to my employers in the same amount of time. Just collected the check every Monday!

chief31
10-26-2007, 12:23 PM
Are YOU serious???? Pull your head out man!!! Reguardless of what Canada says, timsatt is right. It is unheard of to sit out for two full years, not communicate with your employer and still get paid!

Herm, I am definetley not a Priest hater. I do however think he may have either intentionally or unintentionally held the Chiefs hostage. CP was reporting all the time that there had been very little contact with Priest during those two years off. If as some say, he really didn't care about the money and was all about the team, why didn't he free up that money and let the team use it? I understand the logistics of how the salary cap works 31 so before you start spouting the NFL rules.......

31, how was I wrong about the guy? All I ever did was express my opinion about what I thought he should do. I still think he should retire! If his injury was SOOO serious that he had to sit out for two seasons, then there is a BETTER than avg chance he could do further and potentially more damage to his self now! Just like a post prior, guys get hurt all the time and they are back within weeks.

You guys need to stop getting it twisted! I have said in the past that Priest is one of my favorite players. I own 3 of his jersey's for god sakes! I just don't think it was right for him to take the money when he obviously knew he wasn't going to be there for a significant amount of time! The team could have possibly used that money.

Look. The team offered him that money, because they were aware of how cheap he had been for them, for several years. It was an attempt to make-up for not paying him what he was worth then. Nobody doesn't care about money.

And, knowing how serious his injury was, that he may want to attempt a comeback at some point.

I think it is absolutely unfair for you to criticize the amount of time that it takes to return from that type of injury, knowing that all of the "expert opinions" that you hold above all other opinions, said that it was likely a career-ending injury. How many times have you returned to the NFL from that kind of head/neck trauma? How many times have any of them? How many times has anyone?

The idea that Priest was "holding the Chiefs hostage" is plain ******. ( I didn't want to call anyone names, so I editted the word stupid. Oops.) How were the Chiefs hostages? They couldn't cut him? At $700,00 he wasn't going to cause any major cap-hit, or anything. The Chiefs chose to continue paying him. They were in no way, shape, nor form prisoners of Priest Holmes.

Bottom line. Priest holmes had a catastrophic injury and, after the doctors cleared him, returned.

I will have to do the digging later, but didn't you sauy that he was only at training cap as a ploy to help CP get a bargain out of the contract talks with LJ? Do you think that he is still trying to get that contract lower? The contract is already signed. Is he really that stupid?

Your opinion that he should retire is entirely justified. I worry for his well-being myself, and certainly wouldn't have blamed him if he did.

But to suggest that he should retire, on one hand, then complain about how the injury shouldn't have taken that long, on the other, is a bit fishy to me.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:24 PM
Nope free money!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see anything wrong with what he did, everyone would take 22 months off and get paid for it. If you say you wouldn't your lying.

Get off his case already about it. My Grandpa has been drawing disability from the military for taking a bullet in the stomach in Korea, does he need to quit collecting his money just because he hasn't re-enlisted?
Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we are comparing WAR HEROES to FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!!!!!!!! Get a grip dude!

sling58
10-26-2007, 12:29 PM
Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we are comparing WAR HEROES to FOOTBALL PLAYERS!!!!!!!!! Get a grip dude!

Just saying he was injured also. No one is more proud of my Grandfather the War Hero than me. I was just saying that just because someone gets injured doing their job doesn't mean they need to stop getting paid.

Don't tell me to get a grip. Just cause I don't agree with you doesn't mean you can be an ***. My opinion is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:29 PM
If I suffer a career ending injury on the job, I am paid for the rest of my life. I tore my rotator cuff at work and was off for six weeks and I don't even have to tell my employer what is wrong with me and I get paid. If that injury results in surgery and I have to take two years off then I am paid to be off work rehabbing. The same goes for the doctor who makes $100 grand a year.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:37 PM
Look. The team offered him that money, because they were aware of how cheap he had been for them, for several years. It was an attempt to make-up for not paying him what he was worth then. Nobody doesn't care about money.

And, knowing how serious his injury was, that he may want to attempt a comeback at some point.

I think it is absolutely unfair for you to criticize the amount of time that it takes to return from that type of injury, knowing that all of the "expert opinions" that you hold above all other opinions, said that it was likely a career-ending injury. How many times have you returned to the NFL from that kind of head/neck trauma? How many times have any of them? How many times has anyone?

The idea that Priest was "holding the Chiefs hostage" is plain ******. ( I didn't want to call anyone names, so I editted the word stupid. Oops.) How were the Chiefs hostages? They couldn't cut him? At $700,00 he wasn't going to cause any major cap-hit, or anything. The Chiefs chose to continue paying him. They were in no way, shape, nor form prisoners of Priest Holmes.

Bottom line. Priest holmes had a catastrophic injury and, after the doctors cleared him, returned.

I will have to do the digging later, but didn't you sauy that he was only at training cap as a ploy to help CP get a bargain out of the contract talks with LJ? Do you think that he is still trying to get that contract lower? The contract is already signed. Is he really that stupid?

Your opinion that he should retire is entirely justified. I worry for his well-being myself, and certainly wouldn't have blamed him if he did.

But to suggest that he should retire, on one hand, then complain about how the injury shouldn't have taken that long, on the other, is a bit fishy to me.

Fishy??? What, I can't want him to retire because I would hate to see him do any further damage to himself while at the same time think that taking the money was wrong? Your title needs to be Opinion Police!

Never did I say he was faking an injury or that " the injury shouldn't take that long". I also never said the Chiefs did the right thing either.

Now if your opinion ( because that's all it is ) is that the Chiefs were trying to compensate for something they didn't give him in the first place, I can live with that. I just think it is funny to hear some people say ( not you) it wasn't about the money. Please!! It's always about the money!

I simply think that accepting the money and not keeping in contact with the people that are paying you, keeping them updated on your status, keeping in touch with teammates that are obviously concerned about your condition and status and basically keeping yourself part of the team was wrong! IMO, by doing these things, he didn't even act like he wanted to be part of the team!

sling58
10-26-2007, 12:39 PM
Fishy??? What, I can't want him to retire because I would hate to see him do any further damage to himself while at the same time think that taking the money was wrong? Your title needs to be Opinion Police!

Never did I say he was faking an injury or that " the injury shouldn't take that long". I also never said the Chiefs did the right thing either.

Now if your opinion ( because that's all it is ) is that the Chiefs were trying to compensate for something they didn't give him in the first place, I can live with that. I just think it is funny to hear some people say ( not you) it wasn't about the money. Please!! It's always about the money!

I simply think that accepting the money and not keeping in contact with the people that are paying you, keeping them updated on your status, keeping in touch with teammates that are obviously concerned about your condition and status and basically keeping yourself part of the team was wrong! IMO, by doing these things, he didn't even act like he wanted to be part of the team!

Have you even read anything about Priest. He doesn't talk to anyone. He is a private person. He doesn't talk to people for months. It's who he is.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:40 PM
Just saying he was injured also. No one is more proud of my Grandfather the War Hero than me. I was just saying that just because someone gets injured doing their job doesn't mean they need to stop getting paid.

Don't tell me to get a grip. Just cause I don't agree with you doesn't mean you can be an ***. My opinion is my opinion and I am allowed to have it.
Don't be an *** and compare War Heroes to Football players!!!
I have no doubt you are proud of you granfather as well you should be. I just get a bit offended when this happens. There is NO comparison!!!

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:40 PM
Fishy??? What, I can't want him to retire because I would hate to see him do any further damage to himself while at the same time think that taking the money was wrong? Your title needs to be Opinion Police!

Never did I say he was faking an injury or that " the injury shouldn't take that long". I also never said the Chiefs did the right thing either.

Now if your opinion ( because that's all it is ) is that the Chiefs were trying to compensate for something they didn't give him in the first place, I can live with that. I just think it is funny to hear some people say ( not you) it wasn't about the money. Please!! It's always about the money!

I simply think that accepting the money and not keeping in contact with the people that are paying you, keeping them updated on your status, keeping in touch with teammates that are obviously concerned about your condition and status and basically keeping yourself part of the team was wrong! IMO, by doing these things, he didn't even act like he wanted to be part of the team!

...or maybe a distraction.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:41 PM
If I suffer a career ending injury on the job, I am paid for the rest of my life. I tore my rotator cuff at work and was off for six weeks and I don't even have to tell my employer what is wrong with me and I get paid. If that injury results in surgery and I have to take two years off then I am paid to be off work rehabbing. The same goes for the doctor who makes $100 grand a year.
Doesn't work that way here!!! I can promise you that!

sling58
10-26-2007, 12:42 PM
Don't be an *** and compare War Heroes to Football players!!!
I have no doubt you are proud of you granfather as well you should be. I just get a bit offended when this happens. There is NO comparison!!!

ok then if a drunkhillbilly gets hurt on his job and doesn't think he will return does he give up the money for his disability? I think not. You make it sound like Priest should have stopped being paid and got a job at McDonalds as the assistant fry maker in Alaska.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:43 PM
Have you even read anything about Priest. He doesn't talk to anyone. He is a private person. He doesn't talk to people for months. It's who he is.
MOST people don't pay him and he is not part of MOST people's families.

royalswin100games
10-26-2007, 12:44 PM
Fishy??? What, I can't want him to retire because I would hate to see him do any further damage to himself while at the same time think that taking the money was wrong? Your title needs to be Opinion Police!

Never did I say he was faking an injury or that " the injury shouldn't take that long". I also never said the Chiefs did the right thing either.

Now if your opinion ( because that's all it is ) is that the Chiefs were trying to compensate for something they didn't give him in the first place, I can live with that. I just think it is funny to hear some people say ( not you) it wasn't about the money. Please!! It's always about the money!

I simply think that accepting the money and not keeping in contact with the people that are paying you, keeping them updated on your status, keeping in touch with teammates that are obviously concerned about your condition and status and basically keeping yourself part of the team was wrong! IMO, by doing these things, he didn't even act like he wanted to be part of the team!

That's a great point but at the same time what about his performance when he was with the team? He was the best back in the league. I can see why the team was loyal to him. If only we had a defense then.

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:44 PM
Doesn't work that way here!!! I can promise you that!

You have no unemployment insurance is the US?

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:47 PM
ok then if a drunkhillbilly gets hurt on his job and doesn't think he will return does he give up the money for his disability? I think not. You make it sound like Priest should have stopped being paid and got a job at McDonalds as the assistant fry maker in Alaska.
Drunkhillbilly's don't work first of all! I just posted that I would start to feel guilty after a year or so.

So, as you stated if he didn't think he was going to return should he be pais a salary beyond the leagues pention for the rest of his life as Canada said he would?

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:49 PM
Drunkhillbilly's don't work first of all! I just posted that I would start to feel guilty after a year or so.

So, as you stated if he didn't think he was going to return should he be pais a salary beyond the leagues pention for the rest of his life as Canada said he would?

I m not going to get involved in trying to figure out the NFL pension. I have no idea how it works, but I imagine it is about the same idea as my employer offers me. I never said anything about him or anyone else getting salary + pension, but my pension is provided through my employer.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:49 PM
You have no unemployment insurance is the US?
You get paid unemployement for a certain period of time however unless you are physically unable to work AT ALL in any line of work, it doesn't continue forever. That is called disability.

Canada
10-26-2007, 12:51 PM
Employers pay into all of these funds...it is still getting paid for rehabbing not matter how you look at it.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:53 PM
That's a great point but at the same time what about his performance when he was with the team? He was the best back in the league. I can see why the team was loyal to him. If only we had a defense then.
I don't disagree with the teams loyalty. If that's why they kept him on the payroll then that's why. However, he did sign the original contract. So for one to imply that he got screwed in the first place doesn't hold water with me.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 12:54 PM
Employers pay into all of these funds...it is still getting paid for rehabbing not matter how you look at it.
Not forever like you said would happen to you though.

Canada
10-26-2007, 01:11 PM
when does my pension run out?? or my disability??

chief31
10-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Fishy??? What, I can't want him to retire because I would hate to see him do any further damage to himself while at the same time think that taking the money was wrong? Your title needs to be Opinion Police!

Never did I say he was faking an injury or that " the injury shouldn't take that long". I also never said the Chiefs did the right thing either.

Not in those exact words, no.

Now if your opinion ( because that's all it is ) is that the Chiefs were trying to compensate for something they didn't give him in the first place, I can live with that. I just think it is funny to hear some people say ( not you) it wasn't about the money. Please!! It's always about the money!

Well, it wasn't about the money. The money is always a factor, but you yourslef have pointed out that Priest has made his money. Also, he had a choice. He could either stay at home and collect a check, or go to work and collect the same check. How do you figure that that is about the money?

I simply think that accepting the money and not keeping in contact with the people that are paying you, keeping them updated on your status, keeping in touch with teammates that are obviously concerned about your condition and status and basically keeping yourself part of the team was wrong! IMO, by doing these things, he didn't even act like he wanted to be part of the team!


Don't be an *** and compare War Heroes to Football players!!!
I have no doubt you are proud of you granfather as well you should be. I just get a bit offended when this happens. There is NO comparison!!!

You are the a**! That is his granfather, not yours. You have absolutely no right to tell him not to make a comparison between his grandfathers financial situation to someone elses. You aren't so stupid as to believe that he was trying to say anything about how much of a hero Priest is, by comparing the two. It was about finances and you know it.


I don't disagree with the teams loyalty. If that's why they kept him on the payroll then that's why. However, he did sign the original contract. So for one to imply that he got screwed in the first place doesn't hold water with me.


But LJ was clearly getting screwed with the origional contract that he had signed. You were all over the "PAY LJ NOW!!!" band-wagon, weren't you?

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 01:17 PM
You are the a**! That is his granfather, not yours. You have absolutely no right to tell him not to make a comparison between his grandfathers financial situation to someone elses. You aren't so stupid as to believe that he was trying to say anything about how much of a hero Priest is, by comparing the two. It was about finances and you know it.




But LJ was clearly getting screwed with the origional contract that he had signed. You were all over the "PAY LJ NOW!!!" band-wagon, weren't you?
UHHHH, I don't believe Priest was trying to get an extension! Had he been and had he not been injured and was putting up the same numbers he was, I would have said the same thing about him getting paid!

chief31
10-26-2007, 01:23 PM
UHHHH, I don't believe Priest was trying to get an extension! Had he been and had he not been injured and was putting up the same numbers he was, I would have said the same thing about him getting paid!

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However, he did sign the original contract. So for one to imply that he got screwed in the first place doesn't hold water with me.

It's a contract. On the one hand, you say that if he signed the contract, then he isn't getting screwed. But, on the other hand, you say that LJ was negotiating for a contract extension. As if LJ didn't sign his origional contract, then refuse to live up to his end of that bargain.

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 01:36 PM
It's a contract. On the one hand, you say that if he signed the contract, then he isn't getting screwed. But, on the other hand, you say that LJ was negotiating for a contract extension. As if LJ didn't sign his origional contract, then refuse to live up to his end of that bargain.
It happens all the time!! More so than not! I just told you that if it were Priest, I would say give him the damn money!!!
You know as well as anybody does that if we didn't pay him, someone would have and he would have came in here and ran all over us and every other team in the league. I guess your going to tell me now that had Priest not gotten hurt, he wouldn't have asked for an extension. Contracts rarely come to an end without renegotiation. You know this you just want to argue.

chief31
10-26-2007, 01:47 PM
It happens all the time!! More so than not! I just told you that if it were Priest, I would say give him the damn money!!!
You know as well as anybody does that if we didn't pay him, someone would have and he would have came in here and ran all over us and every other team in the league. I guess your going to tell me now that had Priest not gotten hurt, he wouldn't have asked for an extension. Contracts rarely come to an end without renegotiation. You know this you just want to argue.

Your opinion about one guy, was that he deserves more money and should get a fat contract, while neglecting his current contract. But for the other guy, it was "He signed the contact."

You can't see the hypocracy in that?

DrunkHillbilly
10-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Your opinion about one guy, was that he deserves more money and should get a fat contract, while neglecting his current contract. But for the other guy, it was "He signed the contact."

You can't see the hypocracy in that?
What part of if the shoe were on the other foot don't you understand? I would have backed Priest if he were in the same position.

If you will look back, I said 18-20 would be fair in my eyes to LJ. Not 22 or 23 whichever he got. Never was there mention of a FAT contract.

My point about signing the contract was that if he wasn't happy with the original contract, why sign it? He was obviously happy then. LJ was a rookie. He would have taken anything. Priest knew the game. Like I said, this isn't some unheard of process. Guys ask for extensions all the time. Just like teams cut the rug out from players all the time. Personally, I think they both should have to see the contract through but that just isn't how it works.

chief31
10-26-2007, 02:21 PM
What part of if the shoe were on the other foot don't you understand? I would have backed Priest if he were in the same position.

If you will look back, I said 18-20 would be fair in my eyes to LJ. Not 22 or 23 whichever he got. Never was there mention of a FAT contract.

My point about signing the contract was that if he wasn't happy with the original contract, why sign it? He was obviously happy then. LJ was a rookie. He would have taken anything. Priest knew the game. Like I said, this isn't some unheard of process. Guys ask for extensions all the time. Just like teams cut the rug out from players all the time. Personally, I think they both should have to see the contract through but that just isn't how it works.

Good. We agree in principle. :D

Eventhough, on Priest side, I haven't heard him lobbying for more money...Yet.

luv
10-26-2007, 02:44 PM
Good. We agree in principle. :D

Eventhough, on Priest side, I haven't heard him lobbying for more money...Yet.
There's a key word in that sentence.

hermhater
10-26-2007, 02:44 PM
Damn, I slept through all the good arguing.

And I had so many more pictures of crows and parrots to post...

Dang it!

chief31
10-26-2007, 02:50 PM
There's a key word in that sentence.
But, since Priests contract is up at the end of this season, I doubt he has to. And after that, he would not be ignoring a contract that he is under.

luv
10-26-2007, 03:06 PM
But, since Priests contract is up at the end of this season, I doubt he has to. And after that, he would not be ignoring a contract that he is under.
I don't think he'll ask for more money. I don't think he'll be in a position to at that point.

Do you think we'll re-sign him?

chief31
10-26-2007, 03:18 PM
I don't think he'll ask for more money. I don't think he'll be in a position to at that point.

Do you think we'll re-sign him?

I sure hope he holds-up to the beating that his body is going to take. But even then, I doubt he remains a Chief. I would definitely prefer it, but I just doubt it.

luv
10-26-2007, 03:21 PM
I sure hope he holds-up to the beating that his body is going to take. But even then, I doubt he remains a Chief. I would definitely prefer it, but I just doubt it.
Choose your words wisely. Someone will take your fancard away.

However, I agree.

chief31
10-26-2007, 03:24 PM
Choose your words wisely. Someone will take your fancard away.

However, I agree.

Now luv... Are still salty about my suggesting that you should have voted for Bowe in the ROW award, awhile back? He could have finished second ya know. Some people just aren't good enough fans!! :D

What is the date, anyway?:yahoo:

luv
10-26-2007, 03:25 PM
Now luv... Are still salty about my suggesting that you should have voted for Bowe in the ROW award, awhile back? He could have finished second ya know. Some people just aren't good enough fans!! :D

What is the date, anyway?:yahoo:
I wasn't referring to you at all.


10/26/2007

Something special about that date?

chief31
10-26-2007, 03:27 PM
I wasn't referring to you at all.


10/26/2007

Something special about that date?

I'm not sure. I am just wondering when the next mood-swing is set to arrive.

LMFAO!!!!!:yahoo:

luv
10-26-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm not sure. I am just wondering when the next mood-swing is set to arrive.

LMFAO!!!!!:yahoo:
2 1/2 more weeks.

luv
10-26-2007, 03:37 PM
Early night at work, and I'm the boss tonight! See ya'all later!

chief31
10-26-2007, 03:38 PM
2 1/2 more weeks.

Wow. Don't most women get past it within about a week?

hermhater
10-26-2007, 03:40 PM
Wow. Don't most women get past it within about a week?

Think that is when the calendar will have a big red dot on it!

:lol:

luv
10-27-2007, 02:28 AM
Wow. Don't most women get past it within about a week?
I'm not PMS'ing. There's a difference between being annoying and being a b*tch. :D

Chiefster
10-27-2007, 02:35 AM
I'm not PMS'ing. There's a difference between being annoying and being a b*tch. :D

Yes, the spelling of the two are quite different. :p
j/k

hermhater
10-27-2007, 02:40 AM
Now luv... Are still salty about my suggesting that you should have voted for Bowe in the ROW award, awhile back? He could have finished second ya know. Some people just aren't good enough fans!! :D

What is the date, anyway?:yahoo:


I'm not sure. I am just wondering when the next mood-swing is set to arrive.

LMFAO!!!!!:yahoo:


2 1/2 more weeks.


Wow. Don't most women get past it within about a week?


I'm not PMS'ing. There's a difference between being annoying and being a b*tch. :D


Yes, the spelling of the two are quite different. :p
j/k

I say go for the calendar that has a red spot on it whenever you have to watch out for what luv said!


:lol: :funnypost: :beer: :toast2: :D

luv
10-27-2007, 02:55 AM
Did I say annoying? I meant to say annoyed.

hermhater
10-27-2007, 03:03 AM
Did I say annoying? I meant to say annoyed.

Backhanded compliment?

I wish you would PM me.