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matthewschiefs
05-26-2016, 08:38 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/5/25/11767406/alex-smith-says-the-kansas-city-chiefs-offense-is-always-changing


We can only hope this is the end of the screen pass barrage that has pleged this offense

ctchiefsfan
05-26-2016, 11:43 PM
We certainly did not show a "wide open" offense last year, but without a doubt we were far more willing to throw the mid-range and deep passes than we had since Reid first arrived. We didn't add any "sure thing" offensive firepower this off season, but just having another year together will likely lead to a more aggressive offense. And we must remember, unlike '13 and '14 we now have a WR receiver that unlike Bowe MUST BE COVERED ON EVERY SINGLE PLAY. Thank You Maclin. STAY HEALTHY!!! If our rushing offense remains strong this will open up other receivers for mid and long range passes. Throw in that "game manager Alex" now has more confidence in longer passes and we just might see a much more aggressive offense this year.

Eydugstr
05-27-2016, 06:39 AM
The big thing is that this year I'd like to see us come out with an established O-line. No more musical chair O-line experiments. That really stung us at the beginning of last season.

Seek
05-27-2016, 08:00 AM
They said the same thing last year and the year before. Two years ago, Alex comes out game one throwing two interceptions down field and offense looked horrific. Andy went back to dink and Dunk. They opened it up a little with Maclin last year, but the real reason the offense did better was because JC got hurt and we established a good running attack with Alex using his legs on third down.

jason1981
05-27-2016, 09:16 AM
They said the same thing last year and the year before. Two years ago, Alex comes out game one throwing two interceptions down field and offense looked horrific. Andy went back to dink and Dunk. They opened it up a little with Maclin last year, but the real reason the offense did better was because JC got hurt and we established a good running attack with Alex using his legs on third down.

I think the biggest lesso. Is that we cant have our offense going through one person (charles). Every play cant be centered on him.sprinkle in ware and west and dont make a pattern of running or pass when a certain rb is in. We were more effective on offense after charles went down cuz we were more creative and they didn't rely on charles. And oline also improved as well.

ctchiefsfan
05-27-2016, 09:25 AM
They said the same thing last year and the year before. Two years ago, Alex comes out game one throwing two interceptions down field and offense looked horrific. Andy went back to dink and Dunk. They opened it up a little with Maclin last year, but the real reason the offense did better was because JC got hurt and we established a good running attack with Alex using his legs on third down.

No doubt Alex's ability to take off and run with the ball was a big factor last year. No doubt at all. Between passing and rushing, Alex accounted for almost 4,000 yards last season. In reality it's all about having a multi-pronged attack. The old saying is "You use the run to open up the pass". In more recent years some have said "Use the pass to open up the run". But you make a good point about Alex's ability to run on third down. So often on 3rd and 5 or longer defenses will not put much effort into defending the run assuming that it's almost a sure passing down, but Alex's 3rd down runs plus our other rushing weapons force defenses to to play the run more aggressively even on 3rd downs. And that can make the passing game work better.

ctchiefsfan
05-27-2016, 09:26 AM
The big thing is that this year I'd like to see us come out with an established O-line. No more musical chair O-line experiments. That really stung us at the beginning of last season.

Yup! We need a settled and healthy O-line from the start of game 1.

Eydugstr
05-28-2016, 01:36 AM
They said the same thing last year and the year before. Two years ago, Alex comes out game one throwing two interceptions down field and offense looked horrific. Andy went back to dink and Dunk. They opened it up a little with Maclin last year, but the real reason the offense did better was because JC got hurt and we established a good running attack with Alex using his legs on third down.

If you're talking about the Titans game that started the '14 season...He threw three picks, but that game really showed just how bad we were at WR that year. Donnie Avery made absolutely no effort whatsoever that whole game, and next morning Danan Hughes was on the local TV show "Red Zone" with film clips of Avery getting alligator arms with catchable passes sailing right by. Both Avery and Bowe were so horrible that year that dink and dunk football was the only thing workable until Kelce really began to step up.

matthewschiefs
05-28-2016, 03:25 AM
If you're talking about the Titans game that started the '14 season...He threw three picks, but that game really showed just how bad we were at WR that year. Donnie Avery made absolutely no effort whatsoever that whole game, and next morning Danan Hughes was on the local TV show "Red Zone" with film clips of Avery getting alligator arms with catchable passes sailing right by. Both Avery and Bowe were so horrible that year that dink and dunk football was the only thing workable until Kelce really began to step up.

Bowe was suspended for that first game. So that made matters even worse.

So our WRs that game were Avery,Frankie Hammond JR,Aj Jenkins.

I recall the heat I took for my rants on just how bad we were at WR that year. Avery ended up getting hurt. And that left us with Bowe and Aj Jenkins as the starting WRs for most that season. It was bad that a rookie an undrafted rookie at that was an upgrade to Jenkins in Albert Wilson.

It's night and day how far we have come. Maclin is better then Bowe and gives damn far more then Bowe did which was when his contract was coming up. And he wanted to get some money for his sonic runs. Conley showed some great flashes as a rookie and at worse is equal to Jenkins on his best day. Wilson is a solid 3 IMO wont be more then that but there's a spot on a NFL WR core for him. And then there are the new WRS they brought in. If just 1 of those guys can be anther solid 3 then we FINALLY have a good WR core that the other team might just actually have to respect.

NickheadKCAU
05-28-2016, 04:11 AM
aside from o line shuffling last year, which i believe will be a top five group this year, the chiefs are in great shape continuity wise.

the great news out of this fact, is you can almost guarantee no less than a 8-9 win season....

*this many wins in the afc this year will be a sign of strength, not weakness in the west.

ctchiefsfan
05-28-2016, 10:58 AM
It's night and day how far we have come. Maclin is better then Bowe and gives damn far more then Bowe did which was when his contract was coming up. And he wanted to get some money for his sonic runs. Conley showed some great flashes as a rookie and at worse is equal to Jenkins on his best day. Wilson is a solid 3 IMO wont be more then that but there's a spot on a NFL WR core for him. And then there are the new WRS they brought in. If just 1 of those guys can be anther solid 3 then we FINALLY have a good WR core that the other team might just actually have to respect.

WELL SAID!!! I'm not quite as upbeat about the receiver situation as you are, but I do think that we have the pieces in place to at least give us a respectable WR squad.Combine that with our runners and Alex's legs as a "wildcard" every time he goes back to pass and there is the potential for a very potent offense.

Eydugstr
05-28-2016, 07:04 PM
Bowe was suspended for that first game. So that made matters even worse.

So our WRs that game were Avery,Frankie Hammond JR,Aj Jenkins.

I recall the heat I took for my rants on just how bad we were at WR that year. Avery ended up getting hurt. And that left us with Bowe and Aj Jenkins as the starting WRs for most that season. It was bad that a rookie an undrafted rookie at that was an upgrade to Jenkins in Albert Wilson.

It's night and day how far we have come. Maclin is better then Bowe and gives damn far more then Bowe did which was when his contract was coming up. And he wanted to get some money for his sonic runs. Conley showed some great flashes as a rookie and at worse is equal to Jenkins on his best day. Wilson is a solid 3 IMO wont be more then that but there's a spot on a NFL WR core for him. And then there are the new WRS they brought in. If just 1 of those guys can be anther solid 3 then we FINALLY have a good WR core that the other team might just actually have to respect.

If that statement was directed at me...That's preaching to the choir. That year I argued a lot for drafting a WR higher than we did (still think it was a mistake to have passed on Moncrief in the 3rd round that year, but maybe Gaines will show us something we haven't seen). Also I argued that if we cut our drops in half, we'd be in a much better place. We managed to cut our drops down by a third, look at the results.

I'd forgotten about Bowe being suspended that game. Would it have made any difference? He dropped a lot of passes that year, too. Both Bowe and Avery are out of the NFL. Enough said.

While I agree our WR corps are much improved, and we've found a consistent threat in Jeremy Maclin, we do need to get a definitive #2. I'd like it to be Conley, given the abilities he's shown at times on the field, and what he showed everyone in the draft combines...but Conley or not somebody's got to step up and be a consistent #2.

matthewschiefs
05-28-2016, 07:27 PM
If that statement was directed at me...That's preaching to the choir. That year I argued a lot for drafting a WR higher than we did (still think it was a mistake to have passed on Moncrief in the 3rd round that year, but maybe Gaines will show us something we haven't seen). Also I argued that if we cut our drops in half, we'd be in a much better place. We managed to cut our drops down by a third, look at the results.

I'd forgotten about Bowe being suspended that game. Would it have made any difference? He dropped a lot of passes that year, too. Both Bowe and Avery are out of the NFL. Enough said.

While I agree our WR corps are much improved, and we've found a consistent threat in Jeremy Maclin, we do need to get a definitive #2. I'd like it to be Conley, given the abilities he's shown at times on the field, and what he showed everyone in the draft combines...but Conley or not somebody's got to step up and be a consistent #2.

Was not at you or any one person there were many. Most thought that our problems were at QB. I was one saying we need help all the way around and we have not done a good job building talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Bowe might have helped some but I highly doubt he would have made that a W.

As for our current WRs. Conley will be huge. IF he becomes the guy that we all think he can be. I still do think that Wilson can improve some. Keep in mind last season was in a lot of ways his real rookie year. In 2014 while he was on the roster he didn't get much playing time until VERY late in the year. We just need one of the guys we added to give us something and we will have a WR group that is actually respectable

jason1981
05-29-2016, 12:12 AM
I think our oline and wr will dictate our season. I think our def will be good but i think it will be a step back than what weve had recently. Safety,corner, and olb his all a huge unkown. Cb opposite of peters will be critical and safety opposite of berry and Houston fill in. So im not even sure.

Chiefs4life24
05-29-2016, 12:42 AM
With the exception of LB our defence will be stellar, I believe we will start week 1 with 7 WR's Maclin, Conley, Wilson, Robinson, Williams, Streater and 1 more plus we have Cook, Brown and Mathews as developmental guys waiting that they like. On offence I feel TE is the biggest question mark, can Kelce not make any stupid plays?? No more fumbles Travis I mean really. Offensive line is really set with Fisher, Reid, Morse and Schwartz only problem I see is who is gonna be the RG? LDT, Ehringer or Fulton. The safe bet is we will put one of the rookies at safety and have Ron Parker move from Corner to Safety where I think he looks more natural. Also dline is gonna be awesome this year you're gonna like this new guy Chris Jones they drafted on the line I promise you. My bet is were gonna be in the market for Safety and LB next season, because we can't keep both Berry and Poe and I would keep Poe, Dee Ford its time to get with it son or you're gone. This is just my take guys

ctchiefsfan
05-29-2016, 01:17 PM
With the exception of LB our defence will be stellar

Wish I had your confidence. Think we will see an improved offense, but I'm worried we may see a significant decline in our Defense.


On offence I feel TE is the biggest question mark, can Kelce not make any stupid plays?? No more fumbles Travis I mean really.

That's fair.He can be a great TE but there are times when it just seems like his brain goes to sleep.


My bet is were gonna be in the market for Safety and LB next season, because we can't keep both Berry and Poe and I would keep Poe, Dee Ford its time to get with it son or you're gone. This is just my take guys

I would hate to see Berry go...but that is just emotion talking and football IS AFTER ALL A BUSINESS. Emotion or otherwise, if it comes down to Berry or Poe we should keep Poe. I wish Dorsey would try to do a new deal with Poe this season. Maybe we'll get lucky and Berry will do a very team-friendly contract. We did right by him when he was sick. I think he should return the favor.