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Chiefs4life24
06-10-2017, 02:18 AM
Patrick Mahomes’ mechanics needed fixing. The Chiefs are doing it.Mahomes 2.0 is coming to an NFL city near you.

By Seth Galina (http://www.sbnation.com/authors/seth-galina)
on June 9, 2017 12:06 pm


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Patrick Mahomes (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/players/248010/patrick-mahomes), as you knew him, is dead. The gunslinging quarterback you knew and loved has passed. Let’s take a moment to remember his last throw ever — this run-pass option smoke screen for Texas Tech against Baylor:
Rest in peace. You will be missed.
Patrick Mahomes was really fun to watch. He made daring throws, he hated the pocket, and he threw for a million yards once (http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2017/1/25/14383690/danny-against-the-world-1279?_ga=2.96340764.1860036067.1495572985-693107382.1490114050). But when he got drafted by the Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs), that Patrick Mahomes had to die. You’re never going to see the quarterback you saw at Texas Tech again. Pat made it work in college, but once the 2016 season ended, he knew the writing was on the wall and he’d have to change.
Mahomes’ mechanics at Texas Tech were a disaster.From a technical and mechanical standpoint, Patrick Mahomes was one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve ever seen. I say that without any hyperbole. His throwing mechanics are hands down the worst of any quarterback taken in the first round in at least a decade. This is a screen cap of a Mahomes throw:




https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jYyqc6EHgX8n3Lj2AEj_tJCY6jU=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8566905/mahoemsold.PNGThe first thing you notice is how low his elbow is when he comes through to throw. It’s close to sidearm, which puts a lot of stress on his scapula.
Compare that to Deshaun Watson (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/players/246596/deshaun-watson), who has great mechanics:
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/OZZgKGE5-_n6KQWCbBvOtgQStBQ=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8566911/watson.PNGHigh elbow, no stress.
Next, we’ll look at the legs and hip movement. One of the things that I like about Mahomes is how much energy he creates from his back (right) leg by squatting down on it and then pushing off to create explosion. This is actually really good, but the problem is that he never transfers that energy anywhere. You can see that his hips just stop rotating, and his leg kinda dangles there behind him.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/XtDERjf8wRefKQLH_tE348jxrOw=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8566913/mahomesleg.PNGWhen he steps with his left plant leg, he ends up turning his knee inside. This is weird, and I’ve never seen a lot of (read: any) quarterbacks do that. We want that knee to be solid or rotate a little outward. If your hips are rotating, your body is going to rotate a little out also. Mahomes’ knee is locked with an interior rotation.
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No one has perfect mechanics, but these are so bad that I have a hard time believing that he can be consistently accurate in the NFL. Mechanics are one part of the accuracy equation, and when the throwing windows get tighter in the NFL, you want everything at your disposal to help you complete passes. You’re also going to cause less physical damage to your body when you throw with good technique.
It appears that there’s an entirely new Patrick Mahomes this offseason.Video of Mahomes at Kansas City’s OTAs in May suggests that the Chiefs are working with him on his technique — and that it’s showing success:




https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3ubnK-VoqxQ/sddefault.jpg#404_is_fineLook at that elbow:
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PCAmIGZnxzCgkKs_YLeJKsn6AS8=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8566899/mahomeschiefs.PNGThe elbow is high, there’s no more interior rotation of his left leg, and he’s starting to transfer the energy all the way from his back leg forward. He still slashes a bit — remnants of throwing sidearm so much — but it’s really not bad. In fact, these are good mechanics. He did this in about six months.
When the NFL scouts went to his pro day at Texas Tech earlier this offseason, they saw Patrick Mahomes v2, and they got really giddy. They saw a guy who knew he couldn’t survive in the NFL with how he was throwing in college, so he worked on it and got better.
Mahomes is still going to be a work in progress for Kansas City, howeverThe throwing mechanics are a start, but there is still plenty left for Andy Reid and the Chiefs to do with Mahomes. He doesn’t like the pocket. He ends up leaving it quite often even when he has no reason to do so. Luckily for him, he’s so big and athletic that Big 12 defensive lineman and linebackers had trouble chasing him down in the backfield. This led to coverage breakdowns, and Mahomes was able to create big plays down the field. It’s shocking how much this happened:
This kind of quarterback play is boom or bust, and oftentimes Mahomes didn’t need to bounce out of the pocket to make plays. You could just as easily find examples of Mahomes leaving the pocket when he didn’t have to — and then get picked off.
On the bright side, while he does leave the pocket too early sometimes, he manages to step up into his pocket and deliver throws. Again, though, his technique is so unconventional that it often puts him in bad situations. Quarterbacks are taught that every time you move on to a different read, you have to hitch up with your feet and move your eyes to your next read at the same time. Watch Drew Brees do it:




We want to hitch because it keeps us in a good pre-throwing position. We can release the football immediately while still having the same posture we would if we had just finished our dropback.
Mahomes turns his body and starts running forward instead of hitching up. So, yes, it’s great that he feels some comfort in the pocket to move up, but turning his shoulders and throwing on the run is going to create accuracy issues. Why throw on the run if we don’t need to, right?
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/I5TdtaD78HCiLWlVf849Q8L0k1s=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8658373/mahomes3.gif(Of course, the example I use is of him throwing a damn touchdown.)
Just like his throwing mechanics, this is fixable. The Chiefs are working on it, based on what we can tell from their offseason workouts.
Mahomes knew he needed to start changing his mechanics to be a viable NFL quarterbackThe NFL wants its quarterbacks to look a certain way, and Patrick Mahomes didn’t look even close to that ideal. That’s why he had to die and be reborn as “Patrick Mahomes v2.” If the Chiefs can harness him to where his cannon of an arm can become more consistent and he can start making more plays from inside the pocket, he can be a successful quarterback. The athletic traits will always be there for Mahomes; he’s big, strong, and can evade defenders. But those are all bonus features for a quarterback.
I’m really looking forward to see the new Patrick Mahomes. Playing football should be fun, and no one has a better time playing it than Patrick Mahomes.

ctchiefsfan
06-10-2017, 04:57 PM
C4L.....THANK YOU for that! Anything that makes me feel Mahomes is making progress MAKES ME SMILE! :)

It has been said that Andy Reid is a "QB Whisperer". I don't agree. Based on what I've seen and read I don't think Andy can turn just any old QB into a star. But what I DO THINK is that Reid is good at making a QB look AS GOOD AS HE CAN BE. To quote old Army advertisements..."Be the best that you can be".

As I said in another thread the Chiefs are going through a MAJOR CHANGE in the next 1-3 years. We're going to see several veteran stars and fan favorites go down the road (as we have already). And that includes Alex who like him or hate him has done WELL for us. It's kind of scary knowing that we're going to move from a reliable and good veteran QB to either a new draftee that that has a high "bust potential" and a "high superstar potential" or perhaps even to a UDFA in Bray. That is not what I would call a high "comfort zone" and I have to admit the "Alex years" have been "comfortable". It wasn't so long ago that many of us were hoping we would lure Marty out of retirement. Times had been so bad we were longing for a return to the days when we knew we'd almost always make the playoffs even if we never went anywhere in the playoffs. Those days are OVER! Reid and Dorsey are "GOING FOR BROKE". They are laying it all on the line to try to go from "comfortable" to a Chiefs team that instead of always being in the "Playoff discussion" is always in the "Super Bowl Discussion".

I LOVE Reid and Dorsey for doing that! I'm ALSO SCARED! So THANK YOU for posting some good news about Mahomes!

brdempsey69
06-16-2017, 08:05 PM
I like this article about Mahomes here:

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2/Patrick-Mahomes-Explains-His-Most-Exciting-Moment-at-Practice/de3ae27a-2145-44ad-b25c-3251644a5478

Mahomes is trying to learn how to identify the blitz and call the right protections. That is an excellent start to his development.

ctchiefsfan
06-17-2017, 04:25 PM
I like this article about Mahomes here:

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2/Patrick-Mahomes-Explains-His-Most-Exciting-Moment-at-Practice/de3ae27a-2145-44ad-b25c-3251644a5478

Mahomes is trying to learn how to identify the blitz and call the right protections. That is an excellent start to his development.

OUTSTANDING! Mahomes is probably the biggest gamble the Chiefs have ever taken. He's like a wild horse freshly caught on the range in the old West. 225 pounds of outstanding potential. He could wind up being the worst draft bust the Chiefs ever had. He could also become a QB that gets mentioned with the Best of the Best the NFL has ever seen. Our coaching staff has to "break" him of the undisciplined style of play that made him good in college yet retains his drive to stretch the field but in a more disciplined fashion without losing the willingness to take a risk. They need to teach him the "Risk vs Gain Matrix".

Can our coaching staff do that? I don't know. But I DO KNOW that I can't think of any coaching staff we've had that was more qualified to get the job done. I find that encouraging.

I'm also pleased that Mahomes appears to realize that he has a lot to learn and is HUNGRY to learn it. ALL first round picks get taught to "say the right things" and it often winds up meaning NOTHING. But I think that Mahomes' family background in professional sports may have taught him that college is over and the REAL WORK has JUST BEGUN. If he honestly realizes how much he needs to learn and is personally DRIVEN to learn it then 3/4 of the battle is already won and our coaching staff can easily handle the rest.

ctchiefsfan
06-17-2017, 04:29 PM
I like this article about Mahomes here:

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2/Patrick-Mahomes-Explains-His-Most-Exciting-Moment-at-Practice/de3ae27a-2145-44ad-b25c-3251644a5478

Mahomes is trying to learn how to identify the blitz and call the right protections. That is an excellent start to his development.

Y'know Demps....You have several times pointed out that the Chiefs have pretty much NEVER developed their own QB from ground zero. I think there is a good possibility that like our 22 year playoff win drought the problem of "never developing a great QB" might also come to an end in the next few years.

jason1981
06-17-2017, 06:03 PM
Im predicting the pats will win superbowl again and will beat the cheifs in the afc championship. Im think the pats go undefeated next year. They are to loaded with the best coach amd qb in history. If you honesty think about it with their free agency and trades this uear they set themselves for superbowl or bust for next year and think they could win it even without brady so with brady they should be a lock for s.b. besides being a chiefs fan im not really a pats fan but more a brady fan.

Honestly at 1st i was just going to throw a crazy prediction that chiefs win tje superbowl next just to fake it tell you got it approach towards confidence level but couldnt even do that cuz the patriots popped in ny head when i thought about superbowl and couldn't bring myself to lie about it. Lol

ctchiefsfan
06-17-2017, 07:51 PM
Im predicting the pats will win superbowl again and will beat the cheifs in the afc championship. Im think the pats go undefeated next year. They are to loaded with the best coach amd qb in history. If you honesty think about it with their free agency and trades this uear they set themselves for superbowl or bust for next year and think they could win it even without brady so with brady they should be a lock for s.b. besides being a chiefs fan im not really a pats fan but more a brady fan.

Honestly at 1st i was just going to throw a crazy prediction that chiefs win tje superbowl next just to fake it tell you got it approach towards confidence level but couldnt even do that cuz the patriots popped in ny head when i thought about superbowl and couldn't bring myself to lie about it. Lol

I have no problem with your prediction. HATE it, but I think it's entirely reasonable. But as you well know, once you are in the playoffs ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. IF the Chiefs can get to the playoffs ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! Witness the Wildcard Giants beating the Pats in the Super Bowl a while back. For right now I am not even thinking about the Super Bowl. Just want us to get into the playoff dance. This is a season with a LOT of change...Poe, JC, Maclin and I honestly have NO IDEA how to predict this season.

brdempsey69
06-18-2017, 01:16 AM
Y'know Demps....You have several times pointed out that the Chiefs have pretty much NEVER developed their own QB from ground zero. I think there is a good possibility that like our 22 year playoff win drought the problem of "never developing a great QB" might also come to an end in the next few years.

My thoughts exactly. Until proven wrong, I'm going to believe the Chiefs got the RIGHT QB with this draft selection. Many of the other QB's that they selected over the last 46 years were just warm-bodies that played QB. Mahomes is different & his pedigree is unlike any other QB that they have ever drafted.