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greg3564
11-04-2007, 06:49 PM
19 for 32, 213 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

For the season-

8 TD, 9 INT

Pathetic. I can't see any reason why they won't throw Croyle in now. I would be shocked if they didn't. :mob:

McLovin
11-04-2007, 06:53 PM
Here is my argument for why it is time to start Croyle, darn it I have nothing all my arguments Huard already made on the field.

Guru
11-04-2007, 06:55 PM
But.... he gives us the best chance to win.

McLovin
11-04-2007, 06:56 PM
But.... he gives us the best chance to win.
If the us means the other team.

chief31
11-04-2007, 08:26 PM
19 for 32, 213 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

For the season-

8 TD, 9 INT

Pathetic. I can't see any reason why they won't throw Croyle in now. I would be shocked if they didn't. :mob:

You coulda just stuck with "I can't see." Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, nor anyone else would do much better with this offense. How about this... maybe if we were to concentrate on what the problem with this offense is... Hmmm, that could be an effective idea.


Here is my argument for why it is time to start Croyle, darn it I have nothing all my arguments Huard already made on the field.

You again?!?!?!?!?!?:lol: Same old line too, ehh?

timsatt1
11-04-2007, 10:14 PM
You coulda just stuck with "I can't see." Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, nor anyone else would do much better with this offense. How about this... maybe if we were to concentrate on what the problem with this offense is... Hmmm, that could be an effective idea.



You again?!?!?!?!?!?:lol: Same old line too, ehh?
uh yeah, manning and brady would be throwing bombs to bowe, parker, gonzalez and webb. We would be an offensive powerhouse with one of the top QBs in the nfl.

we have the players (webb, bowe and gonzalez). And huard is getting enough time to throw to them too.

Huard just doesnt have the arm to throw the bombs and cant move out of the pocket. He is too immoble as a qb and has no long bomb threat. That makes us easy to defend.

chief31
11-04-2007, 10:19 PM
uh yeah, manning and brady would be throwing bombs to bowe, parker, gonzalez and webb. We would be an offensive powerhouse with one of the top QBs in the nfl.

we have the players (webb, bowe and gonzalez). And huard is getting enough time to throw to them too.

Huard just doesnt have the arm to throw the bombs and cant move out of the pocket. He is too immoble as a qb and has no long bomb threat. That makes us easy to defend.

Huard can and does throw deep, when he is allowed to. That is just media hubbub.

Funny how all of those great quarterbacks tend to do it without alot of pressure hunh? Huard isn't getting time to throw the ball very often. And, when he does, you can see alot of big completions from him.

greg3564
11-04-2007, 10:34 PM
Throwing more INT's than TD's is not the O line's fault. That little gem is placed squarely on Huard's bad decision making. Nothing more, nothing less. He can't run worth a damn and throws bad passes that get intercepted. Mark my words, "Croyle starts next week after Huard's dismal perforance." Crotle has been taking 40% of the first team practice snaps for a reason. The time has come.

chief31
11-04-2007, 10:48 PM
Throwing more INT's than TD's is not the O line's fault. That little gem is placed squarely on Huard's bad decision making. Nothing more, nothing less. He can't run worth a damn and throws bad passes that get intercepted. Mark my words, "Croyle starts next week after Huard's dismal perforance." Crotle has been taking 40% of the first team practice snaps for a reason. The time has come.

Croyle may very well start next week. But yes, interceptions can be caused by O-line. Not so much directly, but they can certainly force a quarterback to rush his throws, by creating a rushed atmosphere for him. Huard has been the entire offense, even with all of the pressure he has been under, both physically, and mentally.

hermhater
11-04-2007, 10:58 PM
Croyle may very well start next week. But yes, interceptions can be caused by O-line. Not so much directly, but they can certainly force a quarterback to rush his throws, by creating a rushed atmosphere for him. Huard has been the entire offense, even with all of the pressure he has been under, both physically, and mentally.

Agreed.

I wouldn't say that Huard has been the entire offense though.

I know that you should throw high to someone like TG because he is the only guy that will be that high for the ball, but on alot of Huards throws, he misses by quite a bit. 5, 10, even 15 yards I have seen this season.

Sure this could be a breakdown in route running, but if Huard isn't able to click with the receivers he has this late in the season, maybe Croyle can.

Otherwise good analysis!

McLovin
11-04-2007, 11:05 PM
Throwing more INT's than TD's is not the O line's fault. That little gem is placed squarely on Huard's bad decision making. Nothing more, nothing less. He can't run worth a damn and throws bad passes that get intercepted. Mark my words, "Croyle starts next week after Huard's dismal perforance." Crotle has been taking 40% of the first team practice snaps for a reason. The time has come.

I was surprised that Croyle didn't come in during this game, but I am thinking Herm was thinking with it so close we cant afford to throw int's and still thought Huard would make good decisions, something he has shown he doesn't do this year.

I think most everyone would consider Brett Favre a great QB, Here are some stats to back up your throwing more Ints then TDs line.

This year GB is having a great year, Brett Favre has 13 TDs and 8 Ints. Last year they were not good, Brett Favre threw 18 TDs but also 18 Ints, Lifetime Brett Favre has the record for Int's now at 281 Ints but during that same time he has thrown 471 TD passes. Throwing Int's is not good but one of the best Quarterbacks of all time has the record for the most, You have to take the good with the bad at times, but for your team to be good your good has to be better then your bad.

BTW 1996 Green Bay won the Super Bowl Brett Favre 39 TDs 13 Ints,
1997 Green Bay back to the Super Bowl Brett Favre 35 TDs and 16 Ints.

This year Damon Huard has thrown 8 TDs and 9 Ints.

And for the but we are first in the division, I submit that yes we are but with this record,
Standings if we were in other divisions.

2nd (Tied) AFC East (behind NE but then who isn't)
4th AFC North only above the Bengals.
4th AFC South only above the Texans (who would win the tie breaker if need be with us)

NFC (Weaker Division by most thinking)
4th NFC East above only the Eagles
3rd NFC North above both Viqueens and Bears
2nd (tied)NFC South Behind the Bucs but tied with Panthers and Saints
1st (tied) NFC West Wow one other division we could compete in, and this division is made up of The Seahawks, Cardinals, 49ers (sorry rbedgood) and Rams

Some here are going to say that it is the O-Lines fault that Huard threw picks because the O-Line didn't give him time to throw, but is he were more mobile and had better vision we likely would not be in this situation.

chief31
11-04-2007, 11:15 PM
I think most everyone would consider Brett Favre a great QB, Here are some stats to back up your throwing more Ints then TDs line.

This year GB is having a great year, Brett Favre has 13 TDs and 8 Ints. Last year they were not good, Brett Favre threw 18 TDs but also 18 Ints,

Ignore me if you want, but is Favre a great quarterback eventhough he threw 18 TDs and 18 Ints, in the same season? From most of your logic, that would make him...Horrid, wouldn't it? Was Farve just that bad, for a limited time, only to re-emerge as a great quarterback again?

Last year, Favre had problems with getting protection. He also had trouble getting any help from his running game.

It seems to me that even a great quarterback, with no running game and poor protection, can have poor numbers. Eventhough he might be a good quarterback.

You bring-up an interesting point there. Kudos.

McLovin
11-04-2007, 11:20 PM
But Huard is not, never has been and never will be in the same category as Favre, I would have said the same league but I guess he is in the National Football League, so that does put him in the same league as Favre.
But the opposite can be said, A bad QB can have a good year and go back to being bad, Huard had a good year last year, this year he is back to being a backup caliber player, let go already he is never going to be Green (coming in and being Great late in his career after bouncing around)

timsatt1
11-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Croyle may very well start next week. But yes, interceptions can be caused by O-line. Not so much directly, but they can certainly force a quarterback to rush his throws, by creating a rushed atmosphere for him. Huard has been the entire offense, even with all of the pressure he has been under, both physically, and mentally.


this is not true. quarterbacks are taught to take the sack, or get out of the pocket and throw it out of bounds and worry more about field position rather than taking a chance on a hurry and still throwing.

so even when you are hurried, you are to take the sack or run out of the pocket, then throw it away.

Punting is not always a bad thing. An interception is.

chief31
11-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Ignore me if you want, but is Favre a great quarterback eventhough he threw 18 TDs and 18 Ints, in the same season? From most of your logic, that would make him...Horrid, wouldn't it? Was Farve just that bad, for a limited time, only to re-emerge as a great quarterback again?

Last year, Favre had problems with getting protection. He also had trouble getting any help from his running game.

It seems to me that even a great quarterback, with no running game and poor protection, can have poor numbers. Eventhough he might be a good quarterback.

You bring-up an interesting point there. Kudos.


But Huard is not, never has been and never will be in the same category as Favre, I would have said the same league but I guess he is in the National Football League, so that does put him in the same league as Favre.
But the opposite can be said, A bad QB can have a good year and go back to being bad, Huard had a good year last year, this year he is back to being a backup caliber player, let go already he is never going to be Green (coming in and being Great late in his career after bouncing around)

So you don't even see the similarities of Farves offense last season, to Huards offense this season? No running game, very poor protection...


this is not true. quarterbacks are taught to take the sack, or get out of the pocket and throw it out of bounds and worry more about field position rather than taking a chance on a hurry and still throwing.

so even when you are hurried, you are to take the sack or run out of the pocket, then throw it away.

Punting is not always a bad thing. An interception is.

Like he would have still been starting, if he didn't take even the rarest of risks? You know that a QB has to do something. Rather it be Huard, or any other quarterback, if you hold the ball and take the sack all of the time, you are not a good quarterback. Even if there is literally no offensive linemen at all, you have to throw it sometimes. The less often that you have time, and the less time that you have, the more often you have to try something. Especially since there is so little help from your running game.

McLovin
11-04-2007, 11:49 PM
So you don't even see the similarities of Farves offense last season, to Huards offense this season? No running game, very poor protection...



Like he would have still been starting, if he didn't take even the rarest of risks? You know that a QB has to do something. Rather it be Huard, or any other quarterback, if you hold the ball and take the sack all of the time, you are not a good quarterback. Even if there is literally no offensive linemen at all, you have to throw it sometimes. The less often that you have time, and the less time that you have, the more often you have to try something. Especially since there is so little help from your running game.
You mean like the 23 times Huard has taken the sack for a negative 159 yards. 4th Most in the NFL, And in Ints he is tied for 4th (actually tied kinda for 2nd 3 others are tied for first with 10).

But thank you for giving me ammo so I can run off of stats rather then personal attacks, I don't like myself when I make personal attacks.

chief31
11-04-2007, 11:52 PM
That is always an opinionated debate there. Is the offensive line that bad, or is the quarterback holding it too long?

I think that most anyone can tell that our offensive line is that bad. I mean hey, how's that super-stud runningback of ours doing?

timsatt1
11-05-2007, 12:04 AM
That is always an opinionated debate there. Is the offensive line that bad, or is the quarterback holding it too long?

I think that most anyone can tell that our offensive line is that bad. I mean hey, how's that super-stud runningback of ours doing?

that is a great question! i am glad you asked! we will see how he is doing when he starts for the first time this year, next game against the broncs. Go priest!!!:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Polleo Pit Man
11-05-2007, 12:11 AM
that is a great question! i am glad you asked! we will see how he is doing when he starts for the first time this year, next game against the broncs. Go priest!!!:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Bottom line Huard is a game manager not a game winner!

timsatt1
11-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Bottom line Huard is a game manager not a game winner!

yes, and i think he could manage the game well from the sideline, carrying a clipboard. :11:

hermhater
11-05-2007, 12:22 AM
Bottom line Huard is a game manager not a game winner!

No argument there guy!

chief31
11-05-2007, 01:18 AM
Bottom line Huard is a game manager not a game winner!

Well, agreed to the game manager portion, anyway. But that is all that one can do with Herms offensive philosophy.

hermhater
11-05-2007, 01:20 AM
Well, agreed to the game manager portion, anyway. But that is all that one can do with Herms offensive philosophy.

True dat! :D