***Chiefs vs Raiders Official Game Day Thread***

[TopekaRoy]

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[TopekaRoy]

The Kansas City Chiefs (6-6)(3-2 @home)

https://www.allaccess.com/assets/img/editorial/raw/ka/kansascitychiefshelmetlogoposters.jpg

vs.

The Oakland Raiders (6-6)(2-3 away)

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Sunday, December 10, 12:00pm CT
at
Arrowhead Stadium
Kansas City, Missouri

http://iameviltebow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1Kansas-City-Chiefs.jpg

Television coverage:
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Radio Coverage:
Kansas City
http://www.101thefox.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/142/2015/02/site-logo.png

Lawrence/Topeka:
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Manhattan, KS:
http://www.robzerwekh.com/radio/kman2012.png

St. Louis
http://cdn-radiotime-logos.tunein.com/s26306q.png

Watch Online:
SportsAreFree.xyz (http://sportsarefree.xyz/ktvn) Best Source Mobile Friendly! Live & On Demand
Wiz1.net (http://wiz1.net/channel7)

VIPBoxTV
Link 1 CBS (http://www.vipboxtv.me/american-football/486549/1/kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders-stream.html) Link 2 CBS (http://www.vipboxtv.me/american-football/486549/2/kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders-stream.html) Link 3 (http://www.vipboxtv.me/american-football/486549/3/kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders-stream.html) Link 4 (http://www.vipboxtv.me/american-football/486549/4/kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders-stream.html)

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DimSports (http://idimsports.eu/watch/605158/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders.html)

Zunoxide.net
[Link 1 (http://zunoxhd.stream/7.php)] [Link 2 (http://live9.co/live7.html)]

Boss Cast
Channel 7 (http://bosscast.net/ch_a.php?7) Link 2 (http://bosscast.net/ch_c.php?21) Link 3 (http://bosscast.net/ch_dd.php?nfl7) Link 4 (http://bosscast.net/ch_e.php?132) Link 7 ESP (http://bosscast.net/ch_e.php?115) Link 5 HD Home (http://bosscast.net/nfl_hd.php?34/h) Link 6 HD Away (http://bosscast.net/nfl_hd.php?34/a) CH1 Action (http://bosscast.net/sportsch.php?ch3)
Feed2All (http://myfeed2all.eu/watch/605158/1/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-vs-oakland-raiders.html)
Stream2Watch.cc (http://www.stream2watch.cc/streaming-sport/football-nfl/oakland-raiders-vs-kansas-city-chiefs-live-stream)

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Before watching any streams please READ THIS (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php/23329-IMPORTANT-Tips-for-watching-online-streams) important message.

[TopekaRoy]

Stats & Stuff


Weather forecast: http://nflweather.com/assets/weather/small/clear-day.png 47 degrees farenheit. Clear. 11 mph WNW winds.

Line: Chiefs -4, Over/Under: 48.5

Against the Spread:
965

Last 10 Games Head-2-Head:
966

OddsShark Super Computer Prediction:
Chiefs 25.2
Raiders 24.0

Schedules/Results:


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/kc.png&h=100&w=100
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/oak.png&h=100&w=100




Thursday
Sep. 7

at New England Patriots (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-england-patriots-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
NBC
Won 42-27 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Sep. 17

Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-philadelphia-eagles-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
FOX
Won 27-20 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Sep. 24

at Los Angeles Chargers (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-los-angeles-chargers-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Won 24-10 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Monday
Oct. 2

Washington Redskins (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-washington-redskins-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
ESPN
Won 29-20 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 8

at Houston Texans (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-houston-texans-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
NBC
Won 42-34 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 15

Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-pittsburgh-steelers-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Lost 19-13 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Thursday
Oct. 19

at Oakland Raiders (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php)
8:25pm ET
CBS/NFLN
Lost 31-30 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Monday
Oct. 30

Denver Broncos (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-denver-broncos-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
ESPN
Won 29-19 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 5

at Dallas Cowboys (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-dallas-cowboys-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Lost 28-17 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 12

BYE







Sunday
Nov. 19

at New York Giants (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-york-giants-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Lost 12-9 (OT) (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 26

Buffalo Bills (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-buffalo-bills-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Lost 16-10 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Dec. 3

at New York Jets (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-york-jets-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Lost 38-31 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Dec. 10
http://cdn.fbschedules.com/images/helmets-nfl/afc/oakland1.png (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php)
Oakland Raiders (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Kansas-City-Chiefs-vs-Oakland-Raiders-tickets-at-Arrowhead-Stadium-Kansas-City-Missouri-12-10-2017/1095542?aid=14849)


Saturday
Dec. 16

Los Angeles Chargers (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-los-angeles-chargers-football-schedule.php)
8:25pm ET
NFLN
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Kansas-City-Chiefs-vs-Los-Angeles-Chargers-tickets-at-Arrowhead-Stadium-Kansas-City-Missouri-12-16-2017/1095543?aid=14849)


Sunday
Dec. 24

Miami Dolphins (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-miami-dolphins-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Kansas-City-Chiefs-vs-Miami-Dolphins-tickets-at-Arrowhead-Stadium-Kansas-City-Missouri-12-24-2017/1095545?aid=14849)


Sunday
Dec. 31

at Denver Broncos (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-denver-broncos-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Denver-Broncos-vs-Kansas-City-Chiefs-tickets-at-Sports-Authority-Field-at-Mile-High-Denver-Colorado-12-31-2017/1095851?aid=14849)





Sunday
Sep. 10

at Tennessee Titans (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-tennessee-titans-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Won 26-16 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Sep. 17

New York Jets (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-york-jets-football-schedule.php)
4:05pm ET
CBS
Won 45-20 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Sep. 24

at Washington Redskins (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-washington-redskins-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
NBC
Lost 27-10 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 1

at Denver Broncos (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-denver-broncos-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Lost 16-10 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 8

Baltimore Ravens (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-baltimore-ravens-football-schedule.php)
4:05pm ET
CBS
Lost 30-17 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 15

Los Angeles Chargers (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-los-angeles-chargers-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Lost 17-16 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Thursday
Oct. 19

Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php)
8:25pm ET
NFLN
Won 31-30 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Oct. 29

at Buffalo Bills (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-buffalo-bills-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Lost 34-14 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 5

at Miami Dolphins (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-miami-dolphins-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
NBC
Won 27-24 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 12

BYE







Sunday
Nov. 19

New England Patriots (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-england-patriots-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Lost 33-8 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Nov. 26

Denver Broncos (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-denver-broncos-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Won 21-14 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Dec. 3

New York Giants (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-new-york-giants-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
FOX
Won 24-17 (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-oakland-raiders-football-schedule.php#)


Sunday
Dec. 10
http://cdn.fbschedules.com/images/helmets-nfl/afc/kansas_city1.png (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php)
at Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-kansas-city-chiefs-football-schedule.php)
1:00pm ET
CBS
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Kansas-City-Chiefs-vs-Oakland-Raiders-tickets-at-Arrowhead-Stadium-Kansas-City-Missouri-12-10-2017/1095542?aid=14849)


Sunday
Dec. 17

Dallas Cowboys (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-dallas-cowboys-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
NBC
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Oakland-Raiders-vs-Dallas-Cowboys-tickets-at-Oco-Coliseum-Oakland-California-12-17-2017/1095848?aid=14849)


Monday
Dec. 25

at Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-philadelphia-eagles-football-schedule.php)
8:30pm ET
ESPN
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Philadelphia-Eagles-vs-Oakland-Raiders-tickets-at-Lincoln-Financial-Field-Philadelphia-Pennsylvania-12-25-2017/1095889?aid=14849)


Sunday
Dec. 31

at Los Angeles Chargers (http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-17/2017-los-angeles-chargers-football-schedule.php)
4:25pm ET
CBS
Buy
Tickets (http://www.ticketmonster.com/buy-Los-Angeles-Chargers-vs-Oakland-Raiders-tickets-at-StubHub-Center-Formerly-Home-Depot-Center-Carson-California-12-31-2017/1095860?aid=14849)







Notable Quotables:
Chiefs:

“[Kareem Hunt] is a special running back and we understand that, so in a perfect world would you like him to get more [than 9] carries? Yeah. We had 44 plays, so that’s part of it... [I]t just happened to be one of those games, but you can’t be one dimensional. Whether that’s running the ball all the time or passing the ball you have to be able to be balanced. In this game it just so happened to be that he didn’t get quite as many carries, but it’s not like we’re not trying to get him the ball.”

--Chiefs Offensive Coordinator Phil Nagy

Raiders:


“[The Chiefs have] done a great job with creating an atmosphere [at Arrowhhead]. It’s a loud environment. It’s just one of those places that’s tough to play in. Good football is required, I know that. You don’t go in there and play bad football and win a game. In that environment, you have to go and play well. You have to be able to have poise in the noise. That’s part of it. And you have to play well in all three phases.”

--Raiders Head Coach Jack Del Rio

[TopekaRoy]

Injury Report:

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/kc.png&h=100&w=100


Mitchell Morse (http://www.nfl.com/players/Morse/profile?id=MOR734298)
C
Foot
Did Not Participate In Practice
Out


Eric Murray (http://www.nfl.com/players/Murray/profile?id=MUR615618)
S
Ankle
Did Not Participate In Practice
Out


Tamba Hali (http://www.nfl.com/players/Hali/profile?id=HAL131362)
LB
Knee
Did Not Participate In Practice
Questionable


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/oak.png&h=100&w=100


Cory James (http://www.nfl.com/players/James/profile?id=JAM147142)
LB
Knee
Did Not Participate In Practice
Doubtful


Jihad Ward (http://www.nfl.com/players/Ward/profile?id=WAR208421)
DE
Foot
Did Not Participate In Practice
Doubtful


Jonathan Feliciano (http://www.nfl.com/players/Feliciano/profile?id=FEL275082)
G
Concussion
Did Not Participate In Practice
Out


David Amerson (http://www.nfl.com/players/Amerson/profile?id=AME404790)
CB
Foot
Limited Participation in Practice
Questionable


Denico Autry (http://www.nfl.com/players/Autry/profile?id=AUT529722)
DE
Hand
Limited Participation in Practice
Questionable


Amari Cooper (http://www.nfl.com/players/Cooper/profile?id=COO487703)
WR
Ankle
Limited Participation in Practice
Questionable


Jamize Olawale (http://www.nfl.com/players/Olawale/profile?id=OLA706032)
RB
Ankle
Limited Participation in Practice
Questionable


Cordarrelle Patterson (http://www.nfl.com/players/Patterson/profile?id=PAT387075)
WR
Hip
Limited Participation in Practice
Questionable

[KCMASS]

967 Got to watch it. God how I hate this team (Raiders) Staying @ my place tonight. Here's a pic from my apartment. Good view of the city! Go Chiefs! Need to have this game!

[TopekaRoy]

Depth Charts:


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/kc.png&h=100&w=100

Chiefs






OFFENSE


POSITION
STARTER
2nd
3rd
4th


WR
Tyreek Hill (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3116406/tyreek-hill)
De'Anthony Thomas (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16945/de'anthony-thomas)




TE
Travis Kelce (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15847/travis-kelce)
Demetrius Harris (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16318/demetrius-harris)
Ross Travis (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3936647/ross-travis)



LT
Eric Fisher (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15790/eric-fisher)
Mitchell Schwartz (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14951/mitchell-schwartz)




LG
Bryan Witzmann (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17377/bryan-witzmann)
Zach Fulton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16923/zach-fulton)




C
Mitch Morse (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2514122/mitch-morse) Out
Zach Fulton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16923/zach-fulton)




RG
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16958/laurent-duvernay-tardif)
Jordan Devey (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16385/jordan-devey)




RT
Mitchell Schwartz (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14951/mitchell-schwartz)
Cameron Erving (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2512504/cameron-erving)




WR
Demarcus Robinson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3043116/demarcus-robinson)
Albert Wilson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17051/albert-wilson)
Jehu Chesson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2977631/jehu-chesson)



QB
Alex Smith (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/8416/alex-smith)
Patrick Mahomes (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3139477/patrick-mahomes)
Tyler Bray (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16252/tyler-bray)



FB
Anthony Sherman (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14135/anthony-sherman)





RB
Kareem Hunt (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3059915/kareem-hunt)
Charcandrick West (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17284/charcandrick-west)
Akeem Hunt (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2576408/akeem-hunt)







BASE 3-4 DEFENSE


POSITION
STARTER
2nd
3rd
4th


LDE
Allen Bailey (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14020/allen-bailey)
Jarvis Jenkins (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14019/jarvis-jenkins)




NT
Bennie Logan (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15850/bennie-logan)
Roy Miller (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12698/roy-miller)




RDE
Chris Jones (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3044859/chris-jones)
Rakeem Nunez-Roches (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2575453/rakeem-nunez-roches)




LOLB
Justin Houston (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14048/justin-houston)
Tanoh Kpassagnon (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2982313/tanoh-kpassagnon)




LILB
Derrick Johnson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/8430/derrick-johnson)
Kevin Pierre-Louis (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16888/kevin-pierre-louis)
Ukeme Eligwe (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2969922/ukeme-eligwe)



RILB
Reggie Ragland (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2979855/reggie-ragland)
Terrance Smith (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2576809/terrance-smith)
Ramik Wilson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2578565/ramik-wilson)



ROLB
Dee Ford (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16707/dee-ford)
Frank Zombo (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/13779/frank-zombo)




CB
Terrance Mitchell (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16927/terrance-mitchell)
Darrelle Revis (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/10458/darrelle-revis)




SS
Daniel Sorensen (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17259/daniel-sorensen)
Eric Murray (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2970716/eric-murray) Out




FS
Ron Parker (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14297/ron-parker)
Steven Terrell (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16450/steven-terrell)




CB
Marcus Peters (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2578378/marcus-peters) Suspended
Kenneth Acker (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16914/kenneth-acker)
Phillip Gaines (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16750/phillip-gaines)





http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/oak.png&h=100&w=100

Raiders






OFFENSE


POSITION
STARTER
2nd
3rd
4th


WR
Amari Cooper (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2976499/amari-cooper) Questionable
Cordarrelle Patterson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15807/cordarrelle-patterson) Questionable
Johnny Holton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3056906/johnny-holton)



TE
Jared Cook (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12537/jared-cook)
Ryan O'Malley (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2566643/ryan-o'malley)




LT
Donald Penn (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/10062/donald-penn)
David Sharpe (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3121656/david-sharpe)
Jylan Ware (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2981069/jylan-ware)



LG
Kelechi Osemele (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14957/kelechi-osemele)
Denver Kirkland (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3046434/denver-kirkland)




C
Rodney Hudson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14013/rodney-hudson)
Jon Feliciano (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2512577/jon-feliciano) Out




RG
Gabe Jackson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16753/gabe-jackson)





RT
Marshall Newhouse (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/13428/marshall-newhouse)
Vadal Alexander (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2976556/vadal-alexander)
Jylan Ware (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2981069/jylan-ware)



WR
Michael Crabtree (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12563/michael-crabtree)
Seth Roberts (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17402/seth-roberts)




QB
Derek Carr (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16757/derek-carr)
EJ Manuel (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15803/ej-manuel)
Connor Cook (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2576261/connor-cook)



FB
Jamize Olawale (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15653/jamize-olawale) Questionable





RB
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/10456/marshawn-lynch)
Jalen Richard (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2972091/jalen-richard)
DeAndre Washington (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2577654/deandre-washington)







BASE 4-3 DEFENSE


POSITION
STARTER
2nd
3rd
4th


LDE
Khalil Mack (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16710/khalil-mack)
James Cowser (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2471470/james-cowser)




LDT
Eddie Vanderdoes (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3047570/eddie-vanderdoes)
Jihad Ward (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3115914/jihad-ward) Doubful




RDT
Justin Ellis (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16857/justin-ellis)
Darius Latham (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3060800/darius-latham)
Treyvon Hester (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2973027/treyvon-hester)



RDE
Mario Edwards Jr. (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2969921/mario-edwards-jr.)
Denico Autry (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/17447/denico-autry) Questionable




WLB
Cory James (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2575663/cory-james) Doubful
Nicholas Morrow (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4232830/nicholas-morrow)




MLB
Marquel Lee (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3039776/marquel-lee)
Tyrell Adams (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3895228/tyrell-adams)




SLB
Bruce Irvin (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/14946/bruce-irvin)





CB
David Amerson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15820/david-amerson) Questionable
Gareon Conley (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3051391/gareon-conley)
Dexter McDonald (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2513908/dexter-mcdonald)



SS
Karl Joseph (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2976639/karl-joseph)
Obi Melifonwu (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2974247/obi-melifonwu)
Shalom Luani (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3894908/shalom-luani)



FS
Reggie Nelson (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/10465/reggie-nelson)
Keith McGill II (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16940/keith-mcgill-ii)




CB
TJ Carrie (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16808/tj-carrie)
Sean Smith (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12430/sean-smith)
Antonio Hamilton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3056354/antonio-hamilton)

[KCMASS]

Nice job Topeka!

[TopekaRoy]

Nice job Topeka!

Thanks. I'm not done, yet ...

[TopekaRoy]

More Stats & More Stuff

Team Leaders:
968
969

Matchup:
971

Expert's Picks:
970

Prisco's Pick:


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These two are tied for first place
in the division. But the Chiefs have
lost four straight and have fallen
apart on defense. The Raiders
haven't been great on offense,
but they will get Derek Carr going
here. The Raiders win in a shootout.




Raiders 33
Chiefs 30

[TopekaRoy]

Chiefs vs. Raiders: Game Preview
From Chiefs.com (http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-vs-Raiders-Game-Preview/d154669b-4ec9-414b-b93d-30b93aff47c4)

Posted Dec 10, 2017



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Matt McMullen
Chiefs Reporter
Chiefs.com
@KCChiefs_Matt (https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt)



The Chiefs meet the Raiders in a crucial divisional matchup on Sunday afternoon

It all comes down to the next four games for the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Chiefs have dropped six of their last seven contests, falling into a three-way tie with the Oakland Raiders and Los Angeles Chargers atop the AFC West.

It’s been a difficult stretch that’s taken its toll in the standings, but the opportunity to win a second-straight division title is still very real, as Kansas City controls its own destiny throughout the remainder of the season.

That push includes two critical divisional games at Arrowhead Stadium over the next two weeks, beginning with Sunday afternoon’s matchup against the Raiders.

The Chiefs have already seen Oakland once this season, losing in heartbreaking fashion way back on Oct. 19. Kansas City led by one in the game’s closing moments before the Raiders ran four plays from the 1-yard line with just seven seconds remaining in the contest – scoring on the final play of the game for the victory.

The loss marked the Chiefs’ second defeat in what’s culminated into a taxing stretch since, and the matchup will now represent a chance to turn things back around with four games to go.

“It’s that time of the year that you’ve got to come out and you’ve got to play well,” said Head Coach Andy Reid. “This league is so competitive and every week is an important week – that’s no different with this week here.”

The Raiders are led by quarterback Derek Carr, who owns a 91.9 passer rating in what’s been an up and down season for the fourth-year signal caller. He’s been outstanding at times, such as his three-touchdown performance earlier this year against Kansas City, but he’s also had his fair share of struggles.

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Unsurprisingly, Carr’s performance has been a consistent indicator of the final score. The Raiders are 6-1 when he posts a passer rating of 95.0 or more, and 0-4 when he doesn’t.

Carr has a number of weapons at his disposal, notably tight end Jared Cook and wide receiver Michael Crabtree, though it remains to be seen if one of his biggest targets in wide receiver Amari Cooper will be on the field as he recovers from an ankle injury.

Cooper, who tallied a career-high 210 yards and two touchdowns in the previous meeting between the two teams, will be a game-time decision on Sunday.

Though regardless of who all is lining up against them, the Chiefs will look to improve a pass defense that’s struggled in recent weeks, and they’ll do so without cornerback Marcus Peters as he serves a one-game suspension.

“They’re a good offensive football team with a really good collection of weapons, from Cooper and Crabtree to the tight end,” said Defensive Coordinator Bob Sutton of the Raiders. “We just have to do a great job against them of competing. They certainly got the best of us the last game out, so we’ll just have to play better than when we did before.”

On the other side of the ball, the Chiefs’ offense will aim to recreate the success they found last week against the New York Jets.

Kansas City piled up 474 yards and 31 points against the Jets behind the efforts of quarterback Alex Smith, who posted the best passer rating of any quarterback last week at 135.9.

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Smith has often found success against the Raiders in his career, winning nine of 11 matchups while tossing 22 touchdowns to just four picks, and he’ll look to put together a similar performance on Sunday.

“These division games are so unique because you know each other so well and you have the history and you play each other twice a year,” Smith said. “These are hard fought games and they come down to the smallest of things. You scratch and you fight for all those little things. It comes down to the end of the game and who can make the play.”

Making several of those plays recently has been wide receiver Tyreek Hill, who has also seemed to be at his best when playing the silver and black. Hill has scored three touchdowns in his last two games against the Raiders, including a 78-yard punt return for a score in last December’s matchup between the two teams.

Hill put together the best game of his young career last week, catching six passes for 185 yards and two touchdowns, and he has a chance for more on Sunday against a Raiders’ defense that’s allowed 25 passing plays of 25 yards or more this season.

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The Chiefs could certainly use a big game from Hill and the rest of the offense as they try to put their four-game losing streak in the rear view mirror.

Kansas City has traditionally thrived when closing out the season at home, going 6-1 in December games at Arrowhead Stadium, and they’ll need to do exactly that this year as the Chiefs enter the final quarter of the season with the postseason on the line.

[TopekaRoy]

Game Preview from ESPN.com (http://www.espn.com/nfl/preview?gameId=400951654)

Raiders visit Chiefs in key AFC West battle

The AFC West showdown between the Kansas City Chiefs and the visiting Oakland Raiders on Sunday already loomed as a potential shootout.

The drama of a three-way tie atop to the division plus Chiefs cornerback Marcus Peter's suspension and the injury status of wide receiver Amari Cooper makes this Week 7 rematch compelling.

Oakland scored a wild come-from-behind 31-30 win in the first meeting this season thanks to a touchdown on an untimed down after time expired.

"It was a heck of game, very entertaining, certainly for the fans," Raiders coach Jack Del Rio said. "It was a tightly contested ballgame, lot of production from both sides and we were able to scratch out a win."

The fortunes of the two clubs swing viciously since that October night in Oakland. The Chiefs entered the game with a 5-1 record, building a commanding divisional lead. The Raiders entered the game 2-4 on a four-game losing streak and watching their postseason aspirations slip away.

Now both clubs stand atop the AFC along with the Los Angeles Chargers. The teams face each other over the season's final month, creating a round-robin of sorts for the division title.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid tries to downplay the idea of a make-or-break game, but he left little doubt the importance of Sunday's noon matchup at Arrowhead Stadium.

"You got to come out, you got to play well, you got to do the things where you come out," Reid said. "That's how this league is. We like to say it's week-to-week but it really is. We say it but this league is so competitive and every week is an important week. It's no different than this week here. It's very, very important."

Del Rio said teams understand the important of late-season divisional games.

"You like to think as a coach you bring that intensity every week but I think guys that you're playing twice a year and you know a little bit better, there's a little bit of natural tenancy to ratchet it up," Del Rio said.

Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith agrees.

"These are hard fought games," Smith said. "They are close and they come down to the smallest of things. You scratch and you fight for all those little things. You anticipate it probably being a similar situation, coming down to the end of the game and who can make the play."

Both teams may have incentive to find greater ferocity this week with absences taking a toll. Reid suspended his All-Pro cornerback Peters for the game following his outburst during Sunday's 38-31 loss to the New York Jets. Peters picked up an official's penalty flag and heaved it into the crowd before leaving for the locker room with more than two minutes remaining.

Cooper's availability remains a question mark for the Raiders. He missed Sunday's 24-17 victory over the New York Giants with a concussion.

He exited the league's concussion protocol this week, but remains on the sidelines with an ankle injury. Cooper torched the Chiefs for 11 catches and 210 yards with two scores in Week 7.

The Chiefs played that game without cornerback Steven Nelson, who missed the first seven games with a core muscle injury. The club also added veteran corner Darrelle Revis, who made his Chiefs debut Sunday against the Jets.

Del Rio remains wary of the Chiefs defense even without Peters.

"Obviously anytime a player goes down whether it's an injury, whether it's something like this, you treat it the same and I'm sure they will," Del Rio said. "You go on to the next player. They've got good players. It's really the Raiders versus the Chiefs and we all have to adjust based on different guys being available or not."

Oakland also has a weapon little-used in their last outing against the Chiefs. Running back Marshawn Lynch rushed only twice for nine yards before earning a disqualification from the game. He rushed on the field after Peters earned a flag for unnecessary roughness for a hit on quarterback Derek Carr.

"I think he's done a nice job for us," Del Rio said. "We're glad to have him. He's been really effective, went over 100 yards last week, which was the first time on the year. We like the way he's working at it."

The coaches may not want to admit the importance of a single game, but Smith admits the significance given the logjam atop the AFC West standings and the Raiders' earlier win in Oakland.

"This is it, we are in the fourth quarter of the season," Smith said. "Three out of the four are division games. These next two, it is a three-way tie. We are going to play the two other guys these next two weeks. We can't get ahead of ourselves. Right here, we have a team that beat us earlier this year and we have to find a way to rebound."

[TopekaRoy]

Chiefs-Raiders scouting report, key players to watch, and a prediction
From The Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/red-zone/article188777794.html)



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Red Zone (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/red-zone/)

The Chiefs and NFL by beat writer Terez Paylor



DECEMBER 08, 2017 11:59 AM
UPDATED DECEMBER 08, 2017 05:10 PM

Scheme

Head coach: Jack Del Rio (92-90) is in his third year with Oakland and 14th overall as a NFL head coach. Del Rio, 54, is a USC product who played 11 years as an NFL linebacker. He spent several years as a linebackers coach with the New Orleans Saints and Baltimore Ravens until he was hired to be the Carolina Panthers’ defensive coordinator in 2002. The next year, he was hired to coach the Jacksonville Jaguars, where he went 68-71 over nine years, guiding the Jaguars to the playoffs twice. After he was let go, he latched on with Denver, where he helped the Broncos win three straight AFC West titles and reach Super Bowl XLVII as their defensive coordinator. He was hired to be the Raiders’ head coach in 2015 and has helped a previously hapless franchise return to respectability, going 24-19 since his hire.

Offense: Todd Downing, 37, is in his first year as the Raiders’ offensive coordinator after spending two years as quarterbacks coach. A former semi-pro quarterback, Downing spent years in multiple positions with the Minnesota Vikings and St. Louis Rams before he was promoted to be the Detroit Lions’ quarterbacks coach in 2011. After a stint with Buffalo in the same role, he rose to his current position with the Raiders after Del Rio decided to fire Bill Musgrave, whose offense was criticized for being too conservative and for starting too slow. Oakland ranks 15th in passing offense (241.2 yards per game) and 25th in rushing offense (93.3). Oakland is passing the ball 61 percent of the time, eighth-most in the league. They are one of the league’s least-reliant teams when it comes to play-action, calling it just 11 percent of the time (31st in the league), according to Football Outsiders. It’s also not very effective, as their 5.6-yard average on such plays ranks dead last.

Defense: John Pagano, 50, is in his first year as Oakland’s defensive coordinator. Pagano, who played linebacker at Colorado Mesa University in the mid 1980s, spent five years coaching in college before he was hired as a defensive assistant with the New Orleans Saints in 1996. He worked his way up in various defensive positions with the Indianapolis Colts and San Diego Chargers before he was promoted to be their defensive coordinator in 2012, a position he held through 2016, when coach Mike McCoy was fired. Pagano was then hired to be the Raiders’ assistant head coach and was promoted to his current position following the firing of previous coordinator Ken Norton, Jr., in late November. Oakland runs a 4-3 defense that ranks 23rd in the league in pass defense (241.1 yards allowed) and 25th in sacks (22). The Raiders’ run defense ranks 11th in the league (104.9 allowed). Teams have had success using play-action against the Raiders, as they’ve surrendered 8.2-yards per play in such instances — 24th in the league.

Special teams: Brad Seely, 61, is in his third year as the Raiders’ special-teams coach. Before his hire in Oakland, Seely had served as special-teams coach for six different teams. Kicker Giorgio Tavecchio has made 13 of 16 field-goal attempts, and his 81 percent conversion rate ranks 25th in the league. Punter Marquette King has dropped 24 of his 50 punts inside the 20, sixth in the league. He’s also third in the league in net punt average (third). The Raiders rank 16th in kickoff returns (21.5 yards per return) and 27th in punt returns (5.6). They also rank eighth in kick-return coverage (19.7) and 12th in punt-return coverage (6.5).

Four keys to a Chiefs victory

1. Attack this defense at multiple levels

The Raiders’ defense stinks at forcing interceptions; they’ve only recorded one all season, and that was by an inside linebacker who just joined the team in October (NaVorro Bowman). No one in this secondary has consistently made plays on the ball, which means Chiefs receiver Tyreek Hill, tight end Travis Kelce and running back Kareem Hunt need to be schemed up to get the ball in multiple ways, as the Raiders simply havem’t been able to punish teams for throwing on them. Hill and Kelce both caught touchdowns when the teams last met in mid-October, while Hunt rushed for 87 yards and caught four passes. Quarterback Alex Smith went off for 342 yards and three touchdowns. A repeat performance would be nice, and perhaps necessary, in a game that could easily be a shootout.

2. Somebody get a body on Jared Cook, please

In a year in which the Raiders’ passing offense hasn’t been as dynamic as it has been in years past, Cook — a free-agent signee in March — has been good. The ninth-year tight end actually leads this team in catches (43) and receiving yards (546), and he absolutely lit the Chiefs up in the Raiders’ 31-30 win on Oct. 19, catching six passes for 107 yards. The Chiefs’ used second-year pro Eric Murray on Cook in that game, and Murray struggled to deal with Cook’s size (he has six inches and 50 pounds on Murray). Murray is dealing with an ankle injury this week, but whoever the Chiefs put on Cook in obvious pass situations needs to be ready for the challenge.

3. Make these guys go the length of the field

Raiders quarterback Derek Carr lit up the Chiefs up the last time they met, passing for 417 yards and three touchdowns. Many of those plays came via the long ball, as Amari Cooper dominated Terrance Mitchell and Co. by catching 11 passes for 210 yards. Even though Cooper might not play this week due to a concussion, with star corner Marcus Peters sidelined due to a one-game suspension, you better believe the Raiders are going to attack Mitchell, Darrelle Revis, Steven Nelson and anyone else the Chiefs throw out there at corner with the long ball. That said, the Chiefs may need to play some two-deep coverage and make these guys put some long drives together. The Raiders’ speed at receiver will be a problem, and the Chiefs simply cannot give up the chunk plays they did last time they met the Raiders.

4. It’s time to man up

Yes, this is overly simplistic, but really there’s no other way to put it. This team is in hell right now. Losers of four straight and six of seven, it’s time to come together and heal as a team. Amazingly, the Chiefs are still tied with the Raiders and Los Angeles Chargers for first in the AFC West, and by winning out they could still take the division and earn a home playoff game. That said, there is zero reason — ZERO — for the energy or effort to be off on Sunday. There needs to be enthusiasm shown after big plays, small and large, and somebody will need to do something to give this team some juice early. This team is too good to be mired in a funk like this. The Chiefs’ best and most highly paid players need to show up in this one and lead from the front. After a 5-0 start, this game will either be remembered as the nadir of an epic collapse or a turning point of a season in which the Chiefs showed a tremendous amount of resiliency. It’s up to them to decide how they want to be remembered.

Four Raiders to watch

No. 4, QB Derek Carr, 26 years old, 6-3, 214, fourth season

Ranked No. 11 on the NFL’s top-100 list for 2017. Pro Bowler in 2016, when he completed 63.8 percent of his passes for 3,937 yards, 28 touchdowns and only six interceptions in 15 games. Team captain. On pace to complete 64.4 percent of his passes for 3,641 yards, 23 touchdowns and 11 interceptions this season. Generally sees the field well and has plus arm talent — can drive the ball downfield and make all the throws, particularly short and intermediate. Also capable at throwing on the run, though he generally gets rid of the ball very quickly. Possesses a slighter build than some might prefer in a quarterback. Solid athlete who isn’t super elusive in the pocket (only six broken tackles, near the bottom for starting QBs).

No. 24, RB Marshawn Lynch, 31 years old, 5-11, 215, tenth season

Sat out last year as he rested his body following a 2015 season in which he rushed 111 times for 417 yards and three touchdowns in only seven games because of various lower-body injuries. On pace to rush 187 times for 744 yards (4.0 yards per carry) and eight touchdowns this season. Runs with terrific balance, power and strength. Is shifty with quick feet and never stops churning his legs. Relishes contact and seeks it out. Can bully soft-tackling defenders with a ferocious stiff-arm. Hard to bring down when he has a head of steam (39 broken tackles, 13th in NFL). Catches the ball OK and can be a factor in that area. Strong, willing and reliable pass blocker.

No. 15, WR Michael Crabtree, 30 years old, 6-1, 214, ninth season

Caught 89 passes for 1,003 yards and eight touchdowns in 2016 and is on track to catch 88 passes for 669 yards and eight touchdowns. Has caught 13th-most passes in the NFL since 2015 (216), and fifth-most touchdowns (23). Lines up everywhere. Not a blazing-fast runner — most corners can run with him — but he’s strong, runs good routes and pairs strong hands with plus ball skills. Regularly wins contested balls and plays bigger than his size, which makes him a terrific red-zone threat. Is also a chain-mover who is one of the league’s best players on third down. Super-competitive player who enjoys talking trash; legitimate irritant who consistently finds a way to get under the skin of opposing corners.

No. 52, DE Khalil Mack, 26 years old, 6-3, 252, fourth season

Ranked No. 5 on the NFL’s top-100 list for 2017. Pro Bowler and All-Pro selection in 2016, when he recorded 73 combined tackles and 11 sacks in 16 games. Has combined the second-most sacks in football (33 1/2 ) since 2015. Team captain. On pace to finish with 75 combined tackles and 11 sacks. Has also racked up 17 quarterback hits and 40 quarterback hurries this season (second-most in NFL), and has recorded a sack in three straight weeks. Boasts an excellent combination of athleticism, strength and awareness. Elite pass rusher who is also a very strong run defender and consistent tackler. Sheds blocks effectively; going his way is often futile. Is a strip-sack threat who forces fumbles when he’s near the quarterback. Clutch player who dials it up in the fourth quarter; his 12 fourth-quarter sacks since 2015 is the second-most in football. Competitive and tough, he’s one of the NFL’s best players, overall.

Additional scouting notes

▪ Running back Jalen Richard is the No. 2 back behind Marshawn Lynch, and he also shares carries with another backup, DeAndré Washington. But you can make a good argument Richard has been more effective than either. His yards-per-carry average (4.5) tops both Lynch’s (4.0) and Washington’s (2.9).

▪ Running back Marshawn Lynch has been more effective in recent weeks as the offensive line has been allowed to do more of the power stuff they prefer. Lynch broke a 51-yard run — his longest of the season — last week against the New York Giants.

▪ Receiver Cordarrelle Patterson isn’t a great receiver, but he still boasts great speed and has made some plays recently. He’s caught a 50-yard reception in the fourth quarter of the last two games to help the Raiders seal a pair of wins.

▪ Tight end Lee Smith is a strong run blocker. He’s flashes nastiness in this area and can win at the point of attack.

▪ The Raiders’ offensive line is only yielding pressure at a rate of 20.4 percent, best in the league. Former Chiefs center Rodney Hudson is the rock of a big, strong line I really like. I also love left guard Kelechi Osemele and left tackle Donald Penn.

▪ Tackle Vadal Alexander occasionally enters the game as a sixth offensive lineman when the Raiders want to establish the run and don’t care if you know it.

▪ The Raiders’ pass rush starts with Khalil Mack, but you also better keep an eye on Mario Edwards (3 1/2 sacks, nine QB hurries), Bruce Irvin (5 1/2 sacks, seven QB hurries) and Denico Autry (four sacks, six QB hurries).

▪ The Raiders’ defensive line is a little better than you think against the run. Justin “Jelly” Ellis is the linchpin.

▪ Inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman has stabilized the Raiders’ front seven, but he’s missed some tackles this year (16, tied for the fifth-most in football).

▪ Former Chiefs cornerback Sean Smith is back in the mix for the Raiders after being relegated to the bench for several games. He even logged 60 of 62 possible plays a week against the Giants. Teams have had some success attacking Smith vertically, but he hasn’t played bad this season.

▪ Safety Karl Joseph hasn’t made the number of impact plays you’d expect a No. 14 overall pick (2016) to make, but he’s a solid run defender and solid starter overall. Veteran Reggie Nelson is solid against the run as well, but teams have had some success throwing at him.

▪ Marquette King is still an outstanding punter. He boasts an elite leg and can flip field position easily.

▪ The Raiders rank 16th in the league in penalties, as they’ve been whistled 80 times for 730 yards.

Prediction: Chiefs 27-24

I’m changing my mind on this — sue me. The Chiefs lost on Sunday for the sixth time in seven games because the defense fell apart, and it certainly doesn’t help that Marcus Peters won’t play against a team that threw for 417 yards the last time these two teams met. But while this football team needs to earn your trust again, I can’t shake the feeling they’ll finally bounce back. Coach Andy Reid is good against the AFC West, and the offense finally showed signs of life last week against the Jets. They no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt, but if they lose this game — which would give the Raiders their first season sweep of the Chiefs since 2012 — you can basically put a fork in these guys.

[TopekaRoy]

I updated some of the streams in post #2, but so far there are still no streams for the Chiefs game at SportsAreFree, Wiz1, Zunoxide, Boss Cast and Stream2Watch. They may have been threatened with legal action or they may all get their streams from the same source which hasn't posted it yet. I'll check again at 11:30 CT and update if they are available.

[Eydugstr]

TY for setting the thread up TR. Shame the pic of Titanic is so appropriate...

[KCMASS]

Thanks. I'm not done, yet ... How about my spread? I have to use a 15' HDMI cable from my computer to my little 32" TV (via DirecTV) Game time soon. Pacing the floor as usual. Come on Chiefs, let's take this game!

[ctchiefsfan]

I updated some of the streams in post #2, but so far there are still no streams for the Chiefs game at SportsAreFree, Wiz1, Zunoxide, Boss Cast and Stream2Watch. They may have been threatened with legal action or they may all get their streams from the same source which hasn't posted it yet. I'll check again at 11:30 CT and update if they are available.

Hope that if you find them you post them here in the body of the thread. If sportsarefree.xyz could you suggest a second best choice? Shame is we lose that xyz stream. It was EXCELLENT.

[ctchiefsfan]

How about my spread? I have to use a 15' HDMI cable from my computer to my little 32" TV (via DirecTV) Game time soon. Pacing the floor as usual. Come on Chiefs, let's take this game!

That sounds complicated to this old man.

[TopekaRoy]

Hope that if you find them you post them here in the body of the thread. If sportsarefree.xyz could you suggest a second best choice? Shame is we lose that xyz stream. It was EXCELLENT.
I'm checking and updating the links now. SportsAreFree (http://sportsarefree.xyz/ktvn) is up and running. Stand by for the others.

[ctchiefsfan]

Well...not to belabor the obvious, but this game is pretty much do or die for our season. Beat the Raiders and we will still be very much in contention for the AFC West title. Lose and we may well still "mathematically" be in contention for the playoffs but realistically we'll be about done. As a bloodthirsty Raider-Hater I find a certain pleasure in this. It's December and our season is sinking. But a win today against the HATED Raiders could right the ship and set us up for a final 3 game stand that could save our season. AND IT'S AGAINST THE RAIDERS! It's tough to get much better than that in December!

​GO CHIEFS!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

and by for the others

i'm checking and updating the links now. sportsarefree (http://sportsarefree.xyz/ktvn) is up and running. Stand by for the others.

you're the best roy! I can't thank you enough!!!!

[KCMASS]

That sounds complicated to this old man.

You crack me up CT. No it's really not. It works just the same. I just can't roam the NFL with the computer.

[TopekaRoy]

you're the best roy! I can't thank you enough!!!!

Yes, you can. Just click the thumbs up button. Looks like you already did! :smile
All the usual links are updated in post #2. (Thank Heavens!) As far as which is 2nd best, It depends. Zunox usually has a good stream. LiveStreamz is good For Android 5.0 and above devices. Wiz1 is very reliable, but I get a ton of popups unless I use the Maxxon browser (which I usually do). It's really personal preference.

[ctchiefsfan]

Sportsarefree is ​UP AND RUNNING! Ct is a HAPPY CAMPER! :)

[matthewschiefs]

A SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That looked like a real defense

[matthewschiefs]

Alex using his legs

[matthewschiefs]

And then Alex takes a sack UGH

[matthewschiefs]

Taking the sack killed the drive :(

[ctchiefsfan]

Nice kick by Butker. Glad we got 3. Every point will likely matter in this game. We need to beat them by 2 or more to keep the tie-breaker in out favor.

[matthewschiefs]

The more I see Ragland the more I like him

[ctchiefsfan]

The more I see Ragland the more I like him

YUP!

[ctchiefsfan]

UGH!

[matthewschiefs]

D is off to a MUCH better start this week

[ctchiefsfan]

D is off to a MUCH better start this week

The whole team looks like they have decided that it is time to pull their collective heads out of their butts.

[matthewschiefs]

We are actually using Hunt early

[ctchiefsfan]

O-line making some holes for Hunt

[matthewschiefs]

GREAT PLAY BY HARRIS

I'm not sure I've ever typed that before

[ctchiefsfan]

Harris for 25 yards! Thank you Dorsey!

[ctchiefsfan]

Hunt still does for 5!

[matthewschiefs]

And a stupid penalty

[ctchiefsfan]

1st DOWN!

[ctchiefsfan]

Damned penalties.

[matthewschiefs]

UGH a penalty and a sack drive killers SIGH

[ctchiefsfan]

Dammit!

[Chiefs4life24]

this one may be over

[Chiefs4life24]

O-line making some holes for Hunt

Looks like they are making just as many holes for the raiders d also

[ctchiefsfan]

Just try to get a 10 yard pass. If we get yards after catch it's a 1st down, if not we are in FG range. WE CAN DO THIS! More points on the board!

[TopekaRoy]

this one may be over:funnypost:

[matthewschiefs]

HILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The drive is still alive after 3rd and 16

[ctchiefsfan]

HILL!!! Hill!!! HILL!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

UGH blowing timeouts

[ctchiefsfan]

YES!!!! YES!!!!! Yes!!!! Penalty Raiders!

[matthewschiefs]

One thing is for sure the D won't be able to used the tired excuse this week

[matthewschiefs]

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope Kelce isn't hurt

[TopekaRoy]

2nd time out already. I think Reid is overriding Nagy's play calling.
TD Kelce!

[Chiefs4life24]

Kelce is hurt damn

[ctchiefsfan]

bang bang bang!!!!! Dead raiders!

[matthewschiefs]

That's going to get overturned damn

[Chiefs4life24]

Kelce is hurt were done, that will be overturned unfortunately

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce hurt.

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce doesn't look like he is hurting too bad. Give him a pain shot and send him back in!

[ctchiefsfan]

One thing is for sure the D won't be able to used the tired excuse this week

Got that right Matt!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

TOUCHDOWN KANSAS CITY

This time for reals

[Chiefs4life24]

not gonna be enough though

[ctchiefsfan]

FIXED THAT PROBLEM by God! TD CHIEFS!

[ctchiefsfan]

not gonna be enough though

We're gonna get MORE! A LOT MORE!

[matthewschiefs]

The defense playing with some fire today that's nice

[ctchiefsfan]

The defense playing with some fire today that's nice

About time dontcha think?

[matthewschiefs]

WHERE WAS THIS D LAST WEEK?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

And please keep it up D

[Chiefs4life24]

Not impressed with the d today not being nasty enough

[matthewschiefs]

Now come on offense lets Add on. Don't let them hang around

[ctchiefsfan]

ANOTHER 3 and out!

[ctchiefsfan]

Not impressed with the d today not being nasty enough

Who cares if they can hold the Raiders to 10 or less? :)

[matthewschiefs]

Who cares if they can hold the Raiders to 10 or less? :)

LOL Chiefs are at their best when Chiefs4life is upset :)

[TopekaRoy]

Not impressed with the d today not being nasty enough
Yeah. They've given up 0 points already. That's way too many. LOL.

[ctchiefsfan]

WHERE WAS THIS D LAST WEEK?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

And please keep it up D

Yup! Same for the Offense. Need to make a "STATEMENT GAME" today!

[matthewschiefs]

ALBERT WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

WOW where did that come from

[ctchiefsfan]

​HOLY CRaP! Wilson!

[Chiefs4life24]

I Knew it

[ctchiefsfan]

Should have been a penalty for a helmet to helmet on the Raiders for that hit on Hunt.

[matthewschiefs]

You have to catch that Travis

[Chiefs4life24]

GJ Kelce that's 7 points gone

[ctchiefsfan]

I Knew it

Knew what? I'm confused.

[Chiefs4life24]

13 - 0 eh it should really be 28 - 0 right now thanks TRAVIS

[TopekaRoy]

Kelce was still thinking about the previous pass that he should've caught and the lack of focus caused him to miss the next one.

[matthewschiefs]

Kelce is still mad about the no call

You got to let it go. They are not going to call it move on

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce is at least trying. Some coach needs to grab him and tell him to calm down and CONCENTRATE!!!!

[KCMASS]

I don't want to jinx us...but we're playing good football!

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce was still thinking about the previous pass that he should've caught and the lack of focus caused him to miss the next one.

You got it ​EXACTLY RIGHT!

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce was still thinking about the previous pass that he should've caught and the lack of focus caused him to miss the next one.


Kelce is still mad about the no call

You got to let it go. They are not going to call it move on

Got that ​ EXACTLY RIGHT!

[matthewschiefs]

That's only their 2nd 1st down

Lets make them wait a while for their 3rd D regroup

[ctchiefsfan]

I don't want to jinx us...but we're playing good football!

EXactly!!!

[TopekaRoy]

Weak PI call. Looked like their feet just got tangled.

[ctchiefsfan]

Need a stop here.

[ctchiefsfan]

Weak PI call. Looked like their feet just got tangled.

I thought so too. I'm still pissed about that no call on the helmet to helmet on Hunt.

[ctchiefsfan]

Must hold the Raiders to 3 here!

[matthewschiefs]

PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

Need a stop here.
How 'bout a pick6?

[ctchiefsfan]

Picked off!!!!!

[Chiefs4life24]

PICK bout damn time you bunch of clowns

[ctchiefsfan]

How 'bout a pick6?

almost, BUT i'LL GLADLY TAKE THE PICK THAT KILLS THEIR DRIVE!

[Chiefs4life24]

You bunch of infantile morons better win this game dammittttt

[ctchiefsfan]

PICK bout damn time you bunch of clowns

Stop being so mad my friend. :)

[matthewschiefs]

Just keep moving the ball guys LETS PUT THIS THING AWAY

[TopekaRoy]

You bunch of infantile morons better win this game dammittttt
BREATHE! Deep breaths...

[ctchiefsfan]

Kelce FOR THE 1st DOWN!

[Chiefs4life24]

the Browns are beating the Packers

[matthewschiefs]

HILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Touchdown kansas city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

TYREEK EFFING HILl​

[Chiefs4life24]

ALex Smith that was a great throw

[matthewschiefs]

Refs just won't let Kelce get a TD

[ctchiefsfan]

ALex Smith that was a great throw

YEP!

[Chiefs4life24]

Dear Oline please do your job or piss off smith had no chance

[ctchiefsfan]

Refs just won't let Kelce get a TD

Ain't it the truth.

[ctchiefsfan]

Dear Oline please do your job or piss off smith had no chance

Cheer up C4L. I know you are pished about the last several games. But enjoy what's happening. We're leading the ​DAMNED RAIDERS!

[Chiefs4life24]

I'm just fired up today

[matthewschiefs]

UGH settling for 3 comes back to bite you sometimes

Just hope the D doesn't give them anything before the half

[ctchiefsfan]

Kick it Butker!

[TopekaRoy]

Butthead is having another big day. We need to get the ball into the end zone.

[ctchiefsfan]

I'm just fired up today

I hear you.

[ctchiefsfan]

UGH settling for 3 comes back to bite you sometimes

Just hope the D doesn't give them anything before the half

I know. But at least we're up 16-0. If we can keep it up and play like this in the second half we'll be fine. Will all depend on if we can keep this up.

[matthewschiefs]

UGH YOU HAVE TO THROW THE BALL AWAY THERE ALEX

That was pretty bad

[Chiefs4life24]

LAME what a terrible first half, you guys need your asses kicked

[TopekaRoy]

Could be worse at halftime. Defense playing much better today. Chiefs need to step on the gas in the second half.

[ctchiefsfan]

UGH YOU HAVE TO THROW THE BALL AWAY THERE ALEX

That was pretty bad

Using those 2 timeouts in the 1st quarter cost us on that drive. We really needed a timeout or two there.

[2010chiefs]

You couldn't just throw the ball as time wound down and let your receivers make a play. Cmon Alex!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Biggest thing that half was how the defense played.

[ctchiefsfan]

LAME what a terrible first half, you guys need your asses kicked

C4L is attempting some "reverse psychology". :) Good for you C4L!

[matthewschiefs]

You couldn't just throw the ball as time wound down and let your receivers make a play. Cmon Alex!!!

Yep he had time to get rid of it. Something a vet QB should have done. That one is on Alex

[ctchiefsfan]

Biggest thing that half was how the defense played.

So RIGHT!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

All we have to do is play 4 full quarters. Can we do it?

[ctchiefsfan]

Nice AUDIBLE by Alex on that play!

[ctchiefsfan]

Well...we didn't fall asleep at halftime.

[matthewschiefs]

UGH Harris could have caught that

[ctchiefsfan]

Harris should have had that. A little overthrown but still.

[ctchiefsfan]

I can't believe I was so worried when we replaced Santos with Butker. BOY WAS I WRONG. Someone here told me it would be fine. Whoever it was (I forget) was RIGHT and I was 100% WRONG!

[TopekaRoy]

Another 3 that should have been 6. Can't have those lapses in concentration in at the goal line.

[Chiefs4life24]

Great coverage by Nelson

[matthewschiefs]

D another stop

AGAIN WHERE WERE THESE GUYS LAST WEEK?

[ctchiefsfan]

Friggen Tyreek Hill in un-damned-believeable! So many returners if they go back several yards get stopped, but NOT HILL!

[matthewschiefs]

1st punt in the 3rd quarter I'll take it

[Chiefs4life24]

Shouldn't even be punting

[ctchiefsfan]

D another stop

AGAIN WHERE WERE THESE GUYS LAST WEEK?

And the 4 weeks before that?

[ctchiefsfan]

1st punt in the 3rd quarter I'll take it

DAMN RiGHT!

[matthewschiefs]

Defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KCMASS]

Come on boys...Let's keep it up. Please stay tight!

[matthewschiefs]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ALEX?????????????????????

UGH that was horrible

[ctchiefsfan]

WoOH DAMNED HOO!!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Oh wtf?????

[ctchiefsfan]

DAMN Alex!!!! Why are you giving these damned Raiders some hope?????

[ctchiefsfan]

Alex...let me be VERY DAMNED CLEAR...that was PATHETIC! You owe us 3 more TDs this game for that stupidity!

[ctchiefsfan]

PENALTY on the Raiders!

[matthewschiefs]

Got lucky there

[Chiefs4life24]

Browns 21 - Packers 7

[ctchiefsfan]

We were lucky Caar underthrew that

[matthewschiefs]

D got the job done again

Come on offense regroup put this thing away

[Chiefs4life24]

came off his foot bad, gj hill

[ctchiefsfan]

DAMN! Hill is AMAZING!!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Strange Good things seem to happen when #27 gets the ball more

[Chiefs4life24]

Hunt now has over 1000 yards in his rookie season

[matthewschiefs]

WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOUCHDOWN KANSAS CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Running the damn ball works keep it up guys

[ctchiefsfan]

TD West!!!!!!

[Chiefs4life24]

What a run Charcandrick Freakin West

[TopekaRoy]

Not to take away anything from the Chiefs defense who are playing really well but even so, the Raiders offense looks surprisingly inept today.

[matthewschiefs]

LOL we played with 10 defenders and the Raiders still couldnt complete the pass

[ctchiefsfan]

Can our Defense keep it up for one more quarter?

[matthewschiefs]

SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[Chiefs4life24]

What a hit hope wafford is okay wow, I like that hit

[matthewschiefs]

SACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome back pass rush where the hell have you been

[TopekaRoy]

Can our Defense keep it up for one more quarter?
Yes they can. Will they? We're about to find out.
Houston has a big sack!

[ctchiefsfan]

HOUSTON for the SACK!

[TopekaRoy]

I mean Houston GETS a big sack. :smile

[ctchiefsfan]

I'm scared SHIPLESS right now. Season on the line. 26 point lead. CAN WE FINISH THE GAME?

[ctchiefsfan]

I mean Houston GETS a big sack. :smile


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That was funny!

[matthewschiefs]

Is that the first screen?

[ctchiefsfan]

HUNT is BACK!!!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Wilson for the 1st!

[ctchiefsfan]

DAMN! We needed points on that drive.

[TopekaRoy]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That was funny!
Good. That's what I was going for! LOL

[ctchiefsfan]

Good. That's what I was going for! LOL

Took me a minute to catch what you were doing! HAHAHA!

[ctchiefsfan]

That blocked punt SUCKS! Why do we keep giving them hope???

[matthewschiefs]

UGH that can't happen

[TopekaRoy]

Chiefs are in their soft prevent defense now. That just prevented the shut out.

[Chiefs4life24]

Every damn one of you are fired

[ctchiefsfan]

DAMN!!!!! ​Lost the shutout. I'm feeling sick. Can either the D or the O step up? We have this one IF either side will step up!

[ctchiefsfan]

Every damn one of you are fired

DAMMIT C4L!!!! It's all your fault! Get back to the "reverse psychology"!!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

UGH we are keeping them around

[Chiefs4life24]

Oakland ball dammit

[ctchiefsfan]

That will be reversed.

[ctchiefsfan]

dAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!

[ctchiefsfan]

All up to the Defense now! Can't let them score. D should be fresh. THEIR JOB NOW!

[ctchiefsfan]

OH CRap!

[matthewschiefs]

UGH letting them get back in this

[ctchiefsfan]

Deep sigh of relief.

[Chiefs4life24]

d llooks gassed

[ctchiefsfan]

This is bad. Very bad.

[matthewschiefs]

Got to playcall like it's a tied game

[ctchiefsfan]

Well.. the D failed. Can the O get us some points RIGHT DAMNED NOW?

[matthewschiefs]

Great job Wilson getting the 1st down

[TopekaRoy]

Good second effort by Wilson.

[ctchiefsfan]

HUGE PLAY by Wilson!

[ctchiefsfan]

And we screw ourselves with the penalty.

[ctchiefsfan]

And another damned penalty WTF

[TopekaRoy]

Offense too predictable on that drive. They still need to get first downs.

[ctchiefsfan]

Del Rio helping us with poor clock management.

[ctchiefsfan]

Colquitt helps us out with a great punt! Up to the D now.

[ctchiefsfan]

GOD! This is killing me!

[ctchiefsfan]

Offense too predictable on that drive. They still need to get first downs.

Could have closed it out with just 1 first down.

[ctchiefsfan]

Why is Nelson clapping?

[matthewschiefs]

Ballgame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TopekaRoy]

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[Chiefs4life24]

Balllgammme dammitttt yes babay

[ctchiefsfan]

HUGE SiGH OF RELIEF

[Eydugstr]

Guess the kiddie pirate crew didn't make it to the lifeboat....aww too bad

[ctchiefsfan]

My God! We pulled it off. We let them off the mat when we had them pinned, but we did just enough. Just enough to keep us in the race. MORE IMPORTANTLY, we broke the losing streak and we did it without Peters. We proved we can beat a good team without Peters. Our team pulled together and showed they weren't the crap they have showed us these last few weeks.

A GREAT WIN against the HATED RAIDERS!!!! ​GREAT WIN!!!

[matthewschiefs]

Big win indeed

Doesn't look like we are going to get help just have to take care of the Chargers next week

[KCMASS]

My God! We pulled it off. We let them off the mat when we had them pinned, but we did just enough. Just enough to keep us in the race. MORE IMPORTANTLY, we broke the losing streak and we did it without Peters. We proved we can beat a good team without Peters. Our team pulled together and showed they weren't the crap they have showed us these last few weeks.

A GREAT WIN against the HATED RAIDERS!!!! ​GREAT WIN!!!

Indeed CT. We played some great football tonight. I actually smoked a cigarette with Ahmet tonight, I didn't take his beer offer though. Just so very happy. Right now...I'm sitting by myself @ the patio/pool area. I came back to their pad @ halftime. I'm going to live here after my lease is up. I love the fact we've always had the Raiders number.

[ctchiefsfan]

Big win indeed

Doesn't look like we are going to get help just have to take care of the Chargers next week

Yep! Just have to take care of business for 3 more weeks and we win the division for the second time in a row. And it has been a long damned time since we have done that.

​GO CHIEFS!!!

[ctchiefsfan]

Indeed CT. We played some great football tonight. I actually smoked a cigarette with Ahmet tonight, I didn't take his beer offer though. Just so very happy. Right now...I'm sitting by myself @ the patio/pool area. I came back to their pad @ halftime. I'm going to live here after my lease is up. I love the fact we've always had the Raiders number.

Well Mass....you know by now that I DESPISE the Raiders more than any other team. GREAT WIN!!! Please pass my compliments to Ahmet and tell him to drink a beer for me! It's GREAT to be happy after a game again!!!

[KCMASS]

Well Mass....you know by now that I DESPISE the Raiders more than any other team. GREAT WIN!!! Please pass my compliments to Ahmet and tell him to drink a beer for me! It's GREAT to be happy after a game again!!!

I will my friend. It's late here brother. Like 2:00 AM. I sleep so light, Kayla is like a rock!

[matthewschiefs]

To add to an already great day :)

[ctchiefsfan]

Which means we have to be EXTRA CAREFUL when we face them on December 31. They will be looking to play spoiler.

[Chiefster]

Finally, a good win! May the Chiefs, and not the Chefs, show up for the rest of the season.

[KCMASS]

Tonight was so amazing. Guys watching the Chiefs beat the Raiders is one of my favorites. We played well. Nelson did a great job as did Kelce. Hunt ran hard tonight. We need the the next three games!

[ctchiefsfan]

Tonight was so amazing. Guys watching the Chiefs beat the Raiders is one of my favorites. We played well. Nelson did a great job as did Kelce. Hunt ran hard tonight. We need the the next three games!

For Certain! Whupping the Raiders is a GREAT way to end a losing streak! We're back in the drivers seat. Win out and we WIN THE WEST!

[Chiefs4life24]

I was frustrated and mad and fired up during that game. I apologise if I stepped on anyone's toes

[ctchiefsfan]

I was frustrated and mad and fired up during that game. I apologise if I stepped on anyone's toes

NOT AT ALL Man! No apology needed! Some of us weren't used to C4L 2.0 so it took a little getting used to but were all friends here.