Post season New Year same Ending #FIREANDY

[matthewschiefs]

Another season has come and broken our hearts. The term forward progress will trigger me for a while. But after a couple of days, I think we can talk about the season.

To me, our season can be summed up in one word. INCONSISTENT

Offense The bookends of our season the offense was at the top of their game. Hot start hot finish the middle was lackluster, to say the least. And that carried over to the playoff game. Hot start then faltered. What makes this even more frustrating we made changes by the end of the year. But in the playoff game, Andy Reid couldn't help himself a hot start then the return to the screens and ignore the NFL RUSHING CHAMPION. The players have shown they can be a VERY hard offense to stop the coaching showed that it couldn't stay out of the way. That is what makes the end all the more frustrating.

Defense. Like the offense INCONSISTENT. You never knew what D was going to take the field. Yes, they had some injuries. But there were weeks they were still able to give us a chance to win the football game. There were others when you couldn't even tell that we fielded a defense. While I don't really think there is any chance that Andy gets fired I think we have seen the last of Bob Sutton in KC. Hopefully, this will be of help to the defense. There are some very talented players on the defense that just did not play up to their talent level much of the season and for that, I have to think that the coaching wasn't where it needed to be.


Overall there were many causes of death for this years team. But mainly stubbornness. Stubbornness to change what wasn't working and hasn't worked for 5 years. This is one of the most frustrating ends to a season that I have seen yet. And seeing that we won't be making a head coaching change I just can't say that I expect any different next season. Overall IMO Andy Reid being Andy Ried is the cause of death.

All that being said there is still the excitement of a top-level potential franchise QB. To see him develop will be very fun. And worth the watch. And while as frustrated as I am with this team I still can't wait to see next season. GO CHIEFS

[brdempsey69]

^^The Mahomes factor and how he does and progresses will be what keeps me intrigued. Not much else.

[ctchiefsfan]

Matt....

I agree with many (not all) of the points you make. INCONSISTENCY was the be-all end-all watchword of this season.

We lost to 3 teams (Steelers 13-3, Dallas 9-7 and Buffalo 9-7) that had winning records. We also lost to 3 teams (Oakland 6-10, Giants 3-13 and Jets 5-11) that had losing records.

We won against 3 teams (Patriots 13-3, Eagles 13-3, ChargersX2 9-7) that had winning records. We won against 5 teams (Redskins 7-9, Houston 4-12, DenverX2 5-11, Oakland 6-10, Miami 6-10 that had losing records.

VERY FRUSTRATING to see us beat 2 of the 3 teams that closed the season with the best record in the NFL (Patriots 13-3 and Eagles 13-3) and also see us losing to 3 teams (Oakland 6-10, Giants 3-13, Jets 5-11) that went a combined 14-34. NOT A ONE OF THOSE TEAMS WERE ABLE TO NOTCH EVEN 7 WINS.

We are a good enough team that we should beat EVERY team that goes 6-10 or worse. The Oakland loss was forgivable since they are a division rival (those games are almost always a toss-up) and as we all recall, it took the zebras giving them 3 or 4 chances at the end zone with no time left on the clock. So I call that loss an aberration.

So really there was only ONE THING that WAS consistent....our Chiefs are VERY GOOD AND CONSISTENT within our division. 16-2 in the AFC West the last 3 years.

The MOST FRUSTRATING of course is our miserable record in the playoffs. Yes, we did break the curse in 2015--FINALLY but the loss to the Colts in 2013 and this year to the Titans are truly EPIC FAILS. Losing a 28 point lead and now an 18 point lead is enough to put a man in the loony bin.

As to #FIREANDY.....I agree it's not going to happen this year and I don't think it should. Though my opinion on that might change if I were to see proof that our second half collapse was caused by Reid taking the playcalling back from Nagy for the 2cond half. And no, I don't consider "It looked like Reid calling the plays" as proof. That's just not enough evidence for me to convict.

So it's on to the Draft and next year. On the bright side, we have a shiny new QB who so far looks like the "Real Deal". We have some GREAT weapons on Offense in the form of Kelce, Hill and Hunt and Wilson looks like if working with Mahomes will turn out to be damned good too. I'm more neutral about our O-line. They certainly are not "bad" but they need to get better. On the negative side, our Defense is aging and has some glaring holes that need to be plugged. IMO #1 on that list is a stud OLB. Tamba Hali just can't get it done anymore. And Houston's best years were always when we could get REAL PRESSURE from BOTH SIDES and I don't think Dee Ford can replace Tamba. Sutton's Defenses seem to be at their best when they can get MAJOR PRESSURE on the enemy QB and we need 2 top notch OLBs to do that. #2 is we need a GOOD cornerback. Revis ain't it. He was a good and CHEAP mid-season stop gap but we need someone better. #3 we need a Defensive Lineman that hunts running backs like a beagle hunts rabbits. RELENTLESSLY. It's going to be hard to plug those holes with no 1st round pick this year, but maybe we can get enough trade value from Alex to really load up in the second round. It would be real nice to have 3 2cond round picks.

[Eydugstr]

This game falls on a huge dose of Reid's playcalling, bad officiating, and a few drops.

Reid coming on postgame saying "It didn't go the way we would have liked..." We've seen that movie before. M/c is correct in saying it's stubbornness. 21-3 at the half should've been the cue to run Kareem Hunt, Charcandrick West and Sherman like crazy. Even if the runs would've gone nowhere it would've ran the clock down and pounded on their linebackers to the point where they might have backed off some to where our passing game would've had a chance in the fourth quarter. But nooooo....You have the league's leading rusher on the roster, he only carries the ball five times in the second half of a playoff game when they started off the half at 21-3? Really ?!? Reid's smarter than that. He knew that was the thing to do, then chose not to do it. But seeing how the man is still employed (and probably will stay that way until we have a really, really bad losing season) we're really depending on him to lose that stubbornness and make changes starting with himself.

The officiating was horrible (really common thing to hear after a Chiefs loss, I know) but this one takes the cake with the head ref leaving his job. The hit on Kelce should've been flagged then and there. Another thing that irritated me was the fact at the end of the game when no whistles were being blown as Derrick Johnson was running down the field, okay I understand he was down, but why didn't the refs blow it dead right then and there? Players get injured bad when that kind of crud happens, with half of them playing and half of them just standing there.

From what I was told, the playoff crews are sort of a "all star" mixture of the "better" refs, not crews that work together as the same team from week to week like the regular season. IMHO the league would be doing itself a favor by not splitting up the crews during the postseason. Again, this is something that could be changed but probably won't, because Random Roger is more worried about psi in footballs, London games, and private jets.

A lot of people are blaming Alex Smith for this one, IMHO that's misplaced. No, Alex didn't do much to redeem himself in the second half, but at times he had the look of a man that had just been told to do something goofy by the boss, then simply followed through. That's on Reid. If Alex was truly THAT bad, he should've been replaced by Mahomes. That's also on Reid.

There were some drops by the WR's that were pretty bad. We were improving in that area, but began to slip back at the worst possible time. SB teams make those catches.

IMHO for this team to pick itself up, we'll need to make the switch to Mahomes, find a good replacement for Sutton if he leaves, make a good trade for Alex Smith and recoup some of our lost draft picks, and have a great draft by Veach. That's a lot of "ifs". But if we do those things fully expect us to be right back in the postseason. But Reid really botched any trade value we had with Alex Smith with this game.

Looking forward to seeing what Mahomes will do, and if Veach is as good as Dorsey was.

[ctchiefsfan]

Overall, I think you got it damn near 100% right.


This game falls on a huge dose of Reid's playcalling, bad officiating, and a few drops.

Yep....plenty of blame to go around and in this kind of loss the good is forgotten and all that remains is the memory of the bad. I'm still not convinced Reid took control of the playcalling in the second half, but I'll admit that that theory does pass the "walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck" test.


Reid coming on postgame saying "It didn't go the way we would have liked..." We've seen that movie before.

Yup. More times than any of us would like but at least under Reid it hasn't been as often as in so many past seasons.


M/c is correct in saying it's stubbornness.

That may well be true. I'm not convinced it is, but it is entirely possible.


21-3 at the half should've been the cue to run Kareem Hunt, Charcandrick West and Sherman like crazy. Even if the runs would've gone nowhere it would've ran the clock down and pounded on their linebackers to the point where they might have backed off some to where our passing game would've had a chance in the fourth quarter. But nooooo....You have the league's leading rusher on the roster, he only carries the ball five times in the second half of a playoff game when they started off the half at 21-3? Really ?!? Reid's smarter than that. He knew that was the thing to do, then chose not to do it. But seeing how the man is still employed (and probably will stay that way until we have a really, really bad losing season) we're really depending on him to lose that stubbornness and make changes starting with himself.

A lot of truth there too. That would have been the traditional thing (and maybe the right thing) to do. But it is worth mentioning that going into the game the Titans had the 4th ranked run Defense in the NFL. So we would have been trying to pound the ball against a top tier Defense. Had that led to a bunch of 3 and outs we would have been giving the Titans several extra possessions. So pounding the rock was far from a sure thing. I do think we should have tried it for at least the 3rd quarter. 49 years of watching football has convinced me that the best running backs usually don't really get into their stride until they hit about 20 carries. The running game is really about putting a beat-down on the opposing Defense and wearing them down.


The officiating was horrible (really common thing to hear after a Chiefs loss, I know) but this one takes the cake with the head ref leaving his job. The hit on Kelce should've been flagged then and there. Another thing that irritated me was the fact at the end of the game when no whistles were being blown as Derrick Johnson was running down the field, okay I understand he was down, but why didn't the refs blow it dead right then and there? Players get injured bad when that kind of crud happens, with half of them playing and half of them just standing there.

The only consolation in this is that we won't see that damned Zebra again.


From what I was told, the playoff crews are sort of a "all star" mixture of the "better" refs, not crews that work together as the same team from week to week like the regular season. IMHO the league would be doing itself a favor by not splitting up the crews during the postseason. Again, this is something that could be changed but probably won't, because Random Roger is more worried about psi in footballs, London games, and private jets.

Yup....the calls for Goodell's head should be even louder than those for Reid's head.


A lot of people are blaming Alex Smith for this one, IMHO that's misplaced. No, Alex didn't do much to redeem himself in the second half, but at times he had the look of a man that had just been told to do something goofy by the boss, then simply followed through. That's on Reid. If Alex was truly THAT bad, he should've been replaced by Mahomes. That's also on Reid.

No way at all I can see any reasonable person blaming this loss on Smith. That said, I think putting Mahomes in for the final Offensive series would have made sense. Mahomes *seems* to have an exceptional ability to create something from nothing. Just the totally different style of play between Mahomes and Alex might have been enough to put a FG or a TD on the board.


There were some drops by the WR's that were pretty bad. We were improving in that area, but began to slip back at the worst possible time. SB teams make those catches.

Yup. I think this is a big part of why the loss of Kelce hurt so much.


IMHO for this team to pick itself up, we'll need to make the switch to Mahomes, find a good replacement for Sutton if he leaves, make a good trade for Alex Smith and recoup some of our lost draft picks, and have a great draft by Veach. That's a lot of "ifs". But if we do those things fully expect us to be right back in the postseason.

Well...Nagy is gone. By all reports Childress and probably Sutton are gone. And that doesn't even mention the possibility that Toub might go. So we have a lot of holes to fill both in the coaching staff and players. And we have to do it with depleted draft picks and little cap space. Making a good trade for Alex will be CRUCIAL.


But Reid really botched any trade value we had with Alex Smith with this game.

I pray you are wrong on that.


Looking forward to seeing what Mahomes will do, and if Veach is as good as Dorsey was.

Yup. We are going to be watching a very different Chiefs team next year.

[matthewschiefs]

CT - I think there is evidence that Reid was calling plays. The ESPN cameras appeared to show him calling them and the commentators even mentioned it during the game. Also, Andy appeared to have admitted it in his post game.

Dugstr- To me it all comes down to the playcalling. I'm not even as upset about the 2nd half playcalling I go back to the 2nd quarter. We came out hot got 2 tds, Then like always reverted back to the screens that have done nothing constantly. In short, we stopped attacking before the game was half over. That's just asking to get beat IMO. A lot of the 2nd half lack of offense was due to not being on the field. You got to remember that the Titans first drive in the 3rd was over half the quarter. The defense just didn't get them off the field and they controlled the ball. There were some bad calls for sure. Like I said I'm going to be triggered by the term forward progress for some time. But the taking the foot off the gas before the game even reached halftime let that be a factor

The playcalling to me is such a big issue because of the fact that Andy did give it up. This shows to me that HE KNOWS THERE'S A PROBLEM. But when it comes down to the season on the line he just can't help himself. And never has he will step in. Maybe with Mahomes, they'll just happen to catch lightning in a bottle. But I just can't say I'm overly hopeful that will happen

[ctchiefsfan]

CT - I think there is evidence that Reid was calling plays. The ESPN cameras appeared to show him calling them and the commentators even mentioned it during the game. Also, Andy appeared to have admitted it in his post game.

Yeah....I saw that footage and heard the commentators say that during the game. Problem I have is I saw that same type of footage during the games where Nagy was calling plays. Reid fiddling with the play menu and talking into his headset. So how do I know that Reid was controlling the plays any more than he he was in the games where we all agree Nagy was calling the plays? I'm not saying he wasn't (because I don't know) I'm just saying that the footage and the babbling of some talking heads doesn't prove anything to me. I mean honestly...anyone over the age of 3 has seen the announcers say something that was so wrong as to be laughable. Also...in the post-game presser Reid said something like "Matt called the good plays and I called the bad ones". IMO that is merely an extension of Reid doing what he always does....Accepting the blame and not putting it on anyone else....not coaches or players. A lot of people hate that about Reid. In my book it is responsible management. Or anyway, it's what I've done in my many years of management and in my days in the Army. Always protect your people.


Dugstr- To me it all comes down to the playcalling. I'm not even as upset about the 2nd half playcalling I go back to the 2nd quarter. We came out hot got 2 tds, Then like always reverted back to the screens that have done nothing constantly. In short, we stopped attacking before the game was half over. That's just asking to get beat IMO. A lot of the 2nd half lack of offense was due to not being on the field. You got to remember that the Titans first drive in the 3rd was over half the quarter. The defense just didn't get them off the field and they controlled the ball. There were some bad calls for sure. Like I said I'm going to be triggered by the term forward progress for some time. But the taking the foot off the gas before the game even reached halftime let that be a factor

Yup. Regardless who was calling the Offensive plays the Defense gets a share of the blame for not being able to get the Titans Offense off the field in the 2cond half. Not all the blame, but a decent share of it. Less possessions=fewer chances to score.


The playcalling to me is such a big issue because of the fact that Andy did give it up. This shows to me that HE KNOWS THERE'S A PROBLEM. But when it comes down to the season on the line he just can't help himself. And never has he will step in. Maybe with Mahomes, they'll just happen to catch lightning in a bottle. But I just can't say I'm overly hopeful that will happen

One thing is for certain...If Reid did in fact completely turn over the playcalling to Nagy starting with the Jets game (and we all believe he did), then went on to let Nagy run it for the rest of the regular season and then sometime in the 2cond or 3rd quarter of the Titans game took the playcalling back then HE SHOULD BE SHOT. "You don't switch horses in midstream" "You don't fix what ain't broke". And Reid is old enough to know that.

[Eydugstr]

CT - I think there is evidence that Reid was calling plays. The ESPN cameras appeared to show him calling them and the commentators even mentioned it during the game. Also, Andy appeared to have admitted it in his post game.

Dugstr- To me it all comes down to the playcalling. I'm not even as upset about the 2nd half playcalling I go back to the 2nd quarter. We came out hot got 2 tds, Then like always reverted back to the screens that have done nothing constantly. In short, we stopped attacking before the game was half over. That's just asking to get beat IMO. A lot of the 2nd half lack of offense was due to not being on the field. You got to remember that the Titans first drive in the 3rd was over half the quarter. The defense just didn't get them off the field and they controlled the ball. There were some bad calls for sure. Like I said I'm going to be triggered by the term forward progress for some time. But the taking the foot off the gas before the game even reached halftime let that be a factor

The playcalling to me is such a big issue because of the fact that Andy did give it up. This shows to me that HE KNOWS THERE'S A PROBLEM. But when it comes down to the season on the line he just can't help himself. And never has he will step in. Maybe with Mahomes, they'll just happen to catch lightning in a bottle. But I just can't say I'm overly hopeful that will happen

Why we didn't replace the screens with more runs I'll never understand. And yes Reid did take his foot off the accelerator early on. But if we would've ran more in the second half with the chances we DID have probably would have taken some more time off of the clock.

Mahomes hopefully will give us a spark to make a different kind of offense.

Defensively I thought it was a case of the Titans making adjustments to counter what our D was doing (during their last drive, it seemed like if our secondary backed up they went to a short quick pass to a tight end or RB.)

[ctchiefsfan]

Matt...Dugstr....

Part of the conversation as to why we lost to the Titans clearly revolves around a simple question...."Who was calling the Offensive plays when the Offense stopped producing?"

Some say Reid. Some say "who knows?" As evidence we get the babblings of the talking heads during the game who said something like "it looks like Reid is running the plays" and Reid's comment that "I called the bad plays and Matt called the good ones" along with the "looks like a duck" argument. I have said several times that none of this is solid evidence and have said why I feel it isn't. And so now we have something to further muddy the question. See the link below where Mike Florio (no huge expert either) states flatly that Nagy called ALL THE OFFENSIVE PLAYS.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/09/matt-nagy-went-straight-for-heartbreak-to-a-new-job/

So to be honest, I don't think any of us really knows who was calling the plays when the Offense stopped producing. So as I have said before, I cannot convict Reid of being guilty of losing that game based on the facts that have been presented. I'm not trying to convince anybody that Reid was or wasn't calling the plays. I'm just saying that I see no clear evidence one way or the other. I want to HANG SOMEONE for that loss as much as anyone, but I want to make sure I hang the right person.

[matthewschiefs]

CT. I don't want you to get me wrong I'm not basing this solo on just this loss. Or this season. I'm looking at the overall work. 4 times in the history of the playoffs has a team blown a 18 point lead 2 of those are Andy Reid's Chiefs. That's half of them in league history in 5 years. And largely due to repeat issues. Meaning they DIDN'T LEARN from mistakes and they repeated them

When it comes to playcalling I think it's also fair to look at other things. Such as Doug Pederson's Eagles. The issues we have had with the playcalling that have I think frustrated all of us over the Reid years haven't gone the Philly. They stayed In KC. They did Go from Philly to KC when Reid came to KC. If he was calling plays or not these are all Andy Reid issues. And IMO why we need to make a change.

But that being said it's really a moot point it's clear they are going to stick with Reid. I just think that will lead us right back here a year from now. Frustrated about a playoff loss due to the same issues that we have been in each of the past few years now.

[ctchiefsfan]

CT. I don't want you to get me wrong

Not at all Matt. I admit that the circumstantial evidence that Reid is Marty 2.0 is mounting. I'm just not ready to convict him yet.


I'm not basing this solo on just this loss. Or this season. I'm looking at the overall work. 4 times in the history of the playoffs has a team blown a 18 point lead 2 of those are Andy Reid's Chiefs. That's half of them in league history in 5 years. And largely due to repeat issues. Meaning they DIDN'T LEARN from mistakes and they repeated them

I understand completely. The similarities are STRIKING. And worrisome. I'm not saying we should keep Reid as long as Philly did. Just saying I'm not ready to toss him yet. It's sort of like pornography and the Supreme Court....I can't define the moment when it will be right to fire Reid, but I think I will know it when I see it. Though it may take me longer to know it than it does others.


When it comes to playcalling I think it's also fair to look at other things. Such as Doug Pederson's Eagles. The issues we have had with the playcalling that have I think frustrated all of us over the Reid years haven't gone the Philly. They stayed In KC. They did Go from Philly to KC when Reid came to KC. If he was calling plays or not these are all Andy Reid issues. And IMO why we need to make a change.

Fair analogy. But another analogy is the coach (forget his name) that took over from Reid in Philly. Playoffs his first year and gone at the end of his 3rd year (IIRC). So as I say, the evidence that Reid is not much more than a repackaged version of Marty is mounting but I don't yet feel it's time to abandon the experiment. I need not remind you that it wasn't all that long ago that most all of us would have given our left testicle to return to the Marty days.


But that being said it's really a moot point it's clear they are going to stick with Reid. I just think that will lead us right back here a year from now. Frustrated about a playoff loss due to the same issues that we have been in each of the past few years now.

Yeah it is. IMO Reid is here for a minimum of 2 more years. And I think that is appropriate with a new QB and the regular season success Reid has brought us....including a playoff win FINALLY. That said, if after 2 more years we haven't made a deep playoff drive then I agree it will be time to very seriously ask ourselves if Reid has taken us as far as he is capable. In the meantime, while Saturdays game was a MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT (along with the Colts game) I take some comfort from the fact that we have won the AFC West 2 years in a row for the first time ever and are 11-1 in the AFC West over the last 2 years. Do I have worries about Reid? HELL YES! But as painful as the playoffs have been since he got here for me anyway his accomplishments currently well outweigh his failures.

[Eydugstr]

Matt...Dugstr....

Part of the conversation as to why we lost to the Titans clearly revolves around a simple question...."Who was calling the Offensive plays when the Offense stopped producing?"

Some say Reid. Some say "who knows?" As evidence we get the babblings of the talking heads during the game who said something like "it looks like Reid is running the plays" and Reid's comment that "I called the bad plays and Matt called the good ones" along with the "looks like a duck" argument. I have said several times that none of this is solid evidence and have said why I feel it isn't. And so now we have something to further muddy the question. See the link below where Mike Florio (no huge expert either) states flatly that Nagy called ALL THE OFFENSIVE PLAYS.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/09/matt-nagy-went-straight-for-heartbreak-to-a-new-job/

So to be honest, I don't think any of us really knows who was calling the plays when the Offense stopped producing. So as I have said before, I cannot convict Reid of being guilty of losing that game based on the facts that have been presented. I'm not trying to convince anybody that Reid was or wasn't calling the plays. I'm just saying that I see no clear evidence one way or the other. I want to HANG SOMEONE for that loss as much as anyone, but I want to make sure I hang the right person.

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid. Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor. What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season. A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

[ctchiefsfan]

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid. Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor. What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season. A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

SHIP ON A SHINGLE!!!!!!!! I typed a lengthy reply and my computer went all wonky and I lost my reply when I tried to post it.. I'll try again in the morning. I'm too damned pished-off to try again now.

[Eydugstr]

SHIP ON A SHINGLE!!!!!!!! I typed a lengthy reply and my computer went all wonky and I lost my reply when I tried to post it.. I'll try again in the morning. I'm too damned pished-off to try again now.

LOL understand completely, ctc. Right now working with my backup computer because of windows 10 glitch.

[ctchiefsfan]

LOL understand completely, ctc. Right now working with my backup computer because of windows 10 glitch.

PLEASE don't talk to me about Windows 10!!!! I recently upgraded from XP because my beloved old machine had a heart attack and died just before the season started. Also had to upgrade to the latest version of Word (which I use non-stop for work) and that is a whole nuther nightmare with almost 3 years of files having been lost when my machine died. Having to redo work that had been saved has added about 20 hours per week to my work load. But screw all that! I'm now going to try to recreate the post I hade made in reply to yours.

[ctchiefsfan]

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid.

Good Grief Dugstr! You've got a full fledged "conspiracy theory" going on here! (insert chuckling sounds). You do believe that we landed on the moon and that a bunch of Arabs rather than the Bush Family took down the twin towers don't you??? Don't take my comments above too seriously. It's humor. I figure that we're all still hurting from Saturday and that a little humor will help with the healing.


Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor.

Not utterly implausible since I had known that Nagy was going to talk to Indy and another team that I forget but hadn't heard that he was going to interview with the Bears. But I just find it a little too far-fetched. IMO if Reid had snatched the playcalling away from Nagy mid-game, Nagy would have been PISHED and would have been more likely to take an "all deals are off" attitude. In addition, the reports I have seen are that Nagy and the Bears interviewed Sunday AFTER THE GAME.


What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

Problem with that theory is that during EVERY GAME where we believe Nagy was calling the plays you saw Reid holding his play menu, covering his mouth and jabbering on his headset. During the games where we believe Nagy was calling the plays Reid acted NO DIFFERENTLY on the sidelines than he did when he was calling the plays in the earlier games. First couple of times that I saw Reid doing that during a game where Nagy was supposed to be doing the playcalling I thought..."OH NO! Reid has taken the playcalling back!!!). But the style of playcalling didn't change so I concluded this was just Reid being Reid. I mean...if Nagy was calling the plays, we didn't really expect Reid to stand by the bench like a potted plant did we? But since we have a good "conspiracy theory"....here's another to add to the mix....As you will recall, Reid supposedly turned much of the playcalling over to Doug Pedersen. And that helped Pedersen get a head coaching job. Now Reid supposedly turns the playcalling over to Nagy and Nagy gets a HC position. What if it's all been a COMPLETE SHAM? What if Reid has been calling the plays all along and the reports that of Reid turning over playcalling to first Pedersen and then Nagy were just a game to help them get promoted?


I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season.

I agree. Clarke isn't going to fire Reid unless Reid has 2-3 really bad seasons in a row or unless Reid goes "Full Marty" and we go "one and done" for 5 or 6 seasons in a row. We should all remember that it wasn't all that long ago that most of us would have given our left testicle to get someone who could return us to the Marty years.


A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

Quite right. 5 winning seasons in a row, 4 out of 5 seasons making the playoffs, FINALLY a playoff win and two AFC West Championships in a row is not a bad season or a bad record. In fact, Reid has an EXCELLENT record in KC....there is just this small problem....he talks the girl out of her clothes and into bed, has GREAT foreplay and then when it's time to "seal the deal" he wilts...or anyway he has so far. As to responsibility, making changes to coaching staff etc.....Well...you appear to be getting your wish. We've got a new GM who I think it is safe to say is going to do Reid's bidding. Nagy is gone, Childress and Sutton are supposedly on their way out (and will certainly be replaced by Reid choices. Alex is on his way out and Mahomes is on his way in (and I believe Mahomes was mostly or all Reid's doing), Tamba is on his way out and some other "name players" will likely be gone with him. In short, for better or for worse Reid is now pretty much in control of the entire team and coaching staff. Reid will now be almost 100% responsible for every win and every loss. Reid wanted more control and he talked Clark into giving him (Reid) enough rope to hang himself or fly like an eagle. We will see what happens. But I don't see Clark Hunt reversing his decision unless Reid well and truly hangs himself. Hunt wouldn't have given Reid this much power unless he was pretty damned happy with the way things have gone so far

[matthewschiefs]

CT- You have used the term not ready to convict a lot

So lets go with this trial theme. Let me ask you where is the "reasonable doubt" What is it that keeps you hopeful?

[Coach]

We can complain about playcalling all we want, but the reality is that we didn’t run that many plays in the 2nd half. Because we couldn’t stop the run. We lost this playoff game for the same reason we lost last year’s playoff game. We were giving up 6+ yards per carry.
The final Tenn drive with 2 minutes left we had 3 timeouts, They went run, run, run. We played run, run, run. They converted and ran the clock out. Last year it was Laveon Bell, this year it was Derrick Henry. Same story, different jersey.

It became very clear in the 2nd half that this years Chiefs team wasn’t a super bowl team. Even if they had found a way to squeak out a win in this game it was delaying the inevitable. You can’t give up 5+ yards per carry and expect to win in the playoffs.
I’m hoping for a new OC, new DC, new ST coaches. And Mahomes. Anything less will be a big disappointment.

[ctchiefsfan]

CT- You have used the term not ready to convict a lot

So lets go with this trial theme. Let me ask you where is the "reasonable doubt" What is it that keeps you hopeful?

If it please the court.... :)

Winning is contagious. Reid wins. 11-5, 9-7, 11-5, 12-4, 10-6. In the playoffs 4 out of 5 years and a whisker away the 5th year. Broke the 22 year curse of 1 and done. 2 AFC West Championships in a row. Best winning % of any Chiefs coach EVER (.663). Better than Stram, better than Marty, better than DV, better than any of them. KC has had 13 Head Coaches. Reid is one of only 4 of them that has a winning % of 501 or better and that is over the course of 58 years.

Reid is a damned fine leader of men. As evidence I present the fact that he took a Chiefs team that in 2012 was 2-14 and in 2013 made it an 11-5 team and the only major difference was Alex Smith (Kelce accomplished nothing his rookie year). Did the schedule help? Sure it did. But an easy schedule didn't help Romeo any now did it? What Reid is really good at is uniting a team and getting them all working together towards a common goal. You can't win SQUAT if you don't have that. And few Chiefs coaches have even been able to perform that much.

So being realistic the reason so many people want to #FIREANDY is because he is 1-4 in the playoffs. I "get that". We live in a society where everyone wants everything RIGHT DAMNED NOW! NO DELAY ACCEPTED! But you have to get to the playoffs to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. And Reid gets us to the playoffs. Building a CONSISTENT championship level team is damned tough. Not many teams repeat as Conference Champions more to the point Super Bowl Champions. Few coaches even build a consistent playoff team. Reid has built a CONSISTENT playoff team. Not many coaches do that. Can he make us a consistent playoff winner, a consistent AFC Championship maker, maybe even a consistent Super Bowl maker? I don't know. But I DO KNOW that our Chiefs can't be any of those things if we aren't FIRST a consistent playoff maker. And Reid has made us that. The path to glory is long and rocky. Hard on the feet. But you ain't never going to complete that journey if you don't take the first steps. Reid has taken the first two steps. He's made our Chiefs a CONSISTENT WINNER and a CONSISTENT playoff maker. Now he needs to take the next step on that long and rocky path to glory. Can he do it? I DON'T KNOW. But at least he has taken the first two steps on that path. And that is more than anyone except Stram and Marty have ever done.

So in conclusion Your Honor Reid has EARNED THE RIGHT to continue his effort to complete his journey on the path to glory.

The Defense rests. You can shoot me in 5 years if Reid turns into Marty 2.0. Thank you Your Honor.

[Coach]

Well said CT. I’m not in the fire Andy camp for many of the reasons you mentioned. But I am in favor of someone else calling plays and a new defensive coordinator and potentially a new defensive scheme. We need to find a way to stop the run and play more consistently on both sides of the ball.

[ctchiefsfan]

We can complain about playcalling all we want, but the reality is that we didn’t run that many plays in the 2nd half. Because we couldn’t stop the run. We lost this playoff game for the same reason we lost last year’s playoff game. We were giving up 6+ yards per carry.
The final Tenn drive with 2 minutes left we had 3 timeouts, They went run, run, run. We played run, run, run. They converted and ran the clock out. Last year it was Laveon Bell, this year it was Derrick Henry. Same story, different jersey.

It became very clear in the 2nd half that this years Chiefs team wasn’t a super bowl team. Even if they had found a way to squeak out a win in this game it was delaying the inevitable. You can’t give up 5+ yards per carry and expect to win in the playoffs.
I’m hoping for a new OC, new DC, new ST coaches. And Mahomes. Anything less will be a big disappointment.


Well said CT. I’m not in the fire Andy camp for many of the reasons you mentioned. But I am in favor of someone else calling plays and a new defensive coordinator and potentially a new defensive scheme. We need to find a way to stop the run and play more consistently on both sides of the ball.

Thanks Coach. You made many fine comments in the posts quoted above.

But the one that really sticks out in my mind is your comments about our rushing Defense. You simply can't win in the playoffs (especially in a close game in the 4th quarter) when you allow the enemy to rush 31 times for an average of 6.5 yards per carry. In fact, the Titans got more yards per rush than they did per pass attempt. So you are certainly correct that our INABILITY to defend the rush has once again (and for the 2cond year in a row) cost us a playoff victory. I appreciate you bringing this up as I hadn't realized just how bad our run Defense had been in this game until you mentioned it and I checked the stats. SHOCKING.

As for the changes you suggested....They started last year with the departure of JC, Poe and Maclin followed by the departure of Dorsey. And they are continuing this year with the departure of Nagy and the rumored departure of Childress and Sutton. There are even rumors about Toub. And if Alex is back next year as the starter then I will eat my hat. No way I can see that happening. I like Alex. But he's had his chance. I'll be sorry to see him go, but then that is the nature of the NFL. So the changes you want are happening. Of course as posted elsewhere Dorsey has already poached most of our college scouting staff. So it looks like the entire coaching and management staff is gone with the exception of Reid. For better or for worse our Chiefs are going to become the "Reid-Chiefs". I'm rather pleased (while at the same time fearful) about that. But it is a GOOD THING. Reid is a fine Coach and now he's going to have virtually complete control. I "get that". Anybody who is really good at his job want's everybody to get out of his way so he can do his job to the best of his ability so that he can prove he is THE BEST. That is the nature of a COMPETITOR. So now we'll get to see just how good (or bad) Reid is. He turned a collapsing franchise around in a single off season with nothing more than a new QB that wasn't named Brady, Montana, Young or any of the other QBs that get mentioned as some of the best of the best. The "Reid Era" is well and truly here now. We as fans are once again being plunged into the "Great Unknown". It's scary, but it's a good thing. Reid has essentially said..."Get the F out of my way so I can win a Super Bowl!" And he has gotten what he wants. So now we fans know EXACTLY who is responsible. At the end of 3-5 years we will either crown him as the Messiah or strangle him with a rope. Andy....you got what you wanted. Now go PROVE you deserved to. GO ANDY GO!!!!

[matthewschiefs]

We can complain about playcalling all we want, but the reality is that we didn’t run that many plays in the 2nd half. Because we couldn’t stop the run. We lost this playoff game for the same reason we lost last year’s playoff game. We were giving up 6+ yards per carry.
The final Tenn drive with 2 minutes left we had 3 timeouts, They went run, run, run. We played run, run, run. They converted and ran the clock out. Last year it was Laveon Bell, this year it was Derrick Henry. Same story, different jersey.

It became very clear in the 2nd half that this years Chiefs team wasn’t a super bowl team. Even if they had found a way to squeak out a win in this game it was delaying the inevitable. You can’t give up 5+ yards per carry and expect to win in the playoffs.
I’m hoping for a new OC, new DC, new ST coaches. And Mahomes. Anything less will be a big disappointment.

I hear a lot about the 2nd half. And that's not even where I think the problem started.

I went back and watched the 2nd quarter again prior to the last drive Alex threw 5 passes in the 2nd 4 OF THEM WERE SCREENS. 1 was ruled a run officially. WE TOOK OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS BEFORE WE GOT TO THE 2nd half. And THAT is why I think this game falls on Andy Reid. Who was "calling the plays" really is a moot point. He was still overall in charge of the offense. And we went back to what got us beat in the Indy playoff game playing it safe after getting a lead.

[matthewschiefs]

CT

I really don't really disagree much with the points that you bring up. I don't question that Reid has a place in the NFL. And really think that in 2013 Andy Reid was for sure the right guy at the right time for this team. He has turned this franchise around. And if you're a franchise in need of a turn around then Andy Reid is a hell of a guy to get that job done.

But here's my next question aren't we past that point? We are not that 2-14 team anymore. We have a lot of talent that is young and in their prime years and some that haven't even reached their primes. I think this team has past what Andy Reid's fit is. Andy has had some playoff success in his career but keep this in mind he hasn't been to a conference title game in a decade now.

But really this is a moot point Andy will be back. The only thing that we can really do is hope that something with him and Mahomes clicks and this ends up another thing that you can point and say Look what that Dumba$$ Matt said. Nobody would be happier with that then me believe me

[ctchiefsfan]

CT

I really don't really disagree much with the points that you bring up. I don't question that Reid has a place in the NFL. And really think that in 2013 Andy Reid was for sure the right guy at the right time for this team. He has turned this franchise around. And if you're a franchise in need of a turn around then Andy Reid is a hell of a guy to get that job done.

But here's my next question aren't we past that point? We are not that 2-14 team anymore. We have a lot of talent that is young and in their prime years and some that haven't even reached their primes. I think this team has past what Andy Reid's fit is. Andy has had some playoff success in his career but keep this in mind he hasn't been to a conference title game in a decade now.

But really this is a moot point Andy will be back. The only thing that we can really do is hope that something with him and Mahomes clicks and this ends up another thing that you can point and say Look what that Dumba$$ Matt said. Nobody would be happier with that then me believe me

Matt....

I thank you for how polite you were. You and I for the most part disagree about Reid but in the end we are both devoted Chiefs fans.


I really don't really disagree much with the points that you bring up. I don't question that Reid has a place in the NFL. And really think that in 2013 Andy Reid was for sure the right guy at the right time for this team. He has turned this franchise around. And if you're a franchise in need of a turn around then Andy Reid is a hell of a guy to get that job done. Perhaps if Dorsey was smart he would try to lure Reid away from KC?

Yeah....Reid is a "turnaround artist". Never really thought about it that way before, but I believe you hit the nail on the head.


But here's my next question aren't we past that point? We are not that 2-14 team anymore. We have a lot of talent that is young and in their prime years and some that haven't even reached their primes. I think this team has past what Andy Reid's fit is. Andy has had some playoff success in his career but keep this in mind he hasn't been to a conference title game in a decade now.

Certainly we are past the point where we need a "turnaround artist". Under Reid our Chiefs are a consistent winner and a consistent playoff team. Reid has brought us what we had in the Marty era. And I assume nobody will deny that is a great accomplishment. But humor me for a moment if you will. Thanks to my general "misbehavior" since the 70s I have a lot less "next years" left than I did in the Marty era. So please believe me when I say that I want us to WIN NOW as much as any of us do. I just "feel" that Reid is going to lead us out of the desert. And I'm truly pleased that Reid now has pretty much complete control of the team. He will either fly like an eagle or crash and burn. And it won't take too many years to figure out which will happen. And years matter to me now. And of course I have to ask...what coach out there that is available could take what Reid has built and take it to the next level? I don't see one. And I don't have the time to go through another decade or two of 4-12, 6-8 or 8-8 seasons. I see Reid as likely my last chance of seeing the Chiefs win another Super Bowl. So I say GO ANDY GO!


But really this is a moot point Andy will be back. The only thing that we can really do is hope that something with him and Mahomes clicks and this ends up another thing that you can point and say Look what that Dumba$$ Matt said. Nobody would be happier with that then me believe me.

First off, I'll never call you a dumb-ash. Like most decent men if you are wrong you will call yourself out long before any of us will. And you are quite right....Reid ain't getting fired any time soon. He has the QB he wanted. He has a new contract extension. He pretty much has 100% control of the team now and will for the next 3 or more years....for better or for worse. And I ain't guaranteeing it will be for the better....or for the worse. We're Chiefs fans. We bought the ticket and now we are going to take the ride (apologies to Dr. Hunter S. Thompson).

[matthewschiefs]

CT.

Disagreement is great for a forum like this. As long as the people disagreeing can act like adults. That's why I post here more then another forum where the people well are more like children

I will say that I've been wrong many times about a number of things. But coaching has been one I feel I don't have a bad trac record on back in 2011 I was one of the first to scream that Haley needed to go. By the end there were not to many people that didn't agree with that. Same in 2012 while many wanted to say that everything would be fine if we "had a real QB" I was screaming from week 1 ROMEO was the problem and that Cassel was a side issue. By the end everyone was ready for Romeo to be gone. I hope I do turn out to be wrong this time. Time wil tell

[Bike]

I hear a lot about the 2nd half. And that's not even where I think the problem started.

I went back and watched the 2nd quarter again prior to the last drive Alex threw 5 passes in the 2nd 4 OF THEM WERE SCREENS. 1 was ruled a run officially. WE TOOK OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS BEFORE WE GOT TO THE 2nd half. And THAT is why I think this game falls on Andy Reid. Who was "calling the plays" really is a moot point. He was still overall in charge of the offense. And we went back to what got us beat in the Indy playoff game playing it safe after getting a lead.
It was like they ran their scripted plays, with good success, and then couldn't figure out how to adjust after that.
But, as Coach rightly pointed out, when you only run 11 offensive plays in an entire half, it's the defense, specifically the run defense, that determined our collapse and early playoff exit.
I got a feeling all 3 of our draft picks (ouch) will be on defense.
Unless Reid and co can pull off a Kevin Costner Draft Day miracle.

[Chiefs4life24]

It was like they ran their scripted plays, with good success, and then couldn't figure out how to adjust after that.
But, as Coach rightly pointed out, when you only run 11 offensive plays in an entire half, it's the defense, specifically the run defense, that determined our collapse and early playoff exit.
I got a feeling all 3 of our draft picks (ouch) will be on defense.
Unless Reid and co can pull off a Kevin Costner Draft Day miracle.

we actually get 4 picks

[Bike]

we actually get 4 picks

Thank you!

[Eydugstr]

Good Grief Dugstr! You've got a full fledged "conspiracy theory" going on here! (insert chuckling sounds). You do believe that we landed on the moon and that a bunch of Arabs rather than the Bush Family took down the twin towers don't you??? Don't take my comments above too seriously. It's humor. I figure that we're all still hurting from Saturday and that a little humor will help with the healing.

Not utterly implausible since I had known that Nagy was going to talk to Indy and another team that I forget but hadn't heard that he was going to interview with the Bears. But I just find it a little too far-fetched. IMO if Reid had snatched the playcalling away from Nagy mid-game, Nagy would have been PISHED and would have been more likely to take an "all deals are off" attitude. In addition, the reports I have seen are that Nagy and the Bears interviewed Sunday AFTER THE GAME.

Problem with that theory is that during EVERY GAME where we believe Nagy was calling the plays you saw Reid holding his play menu, covering his mouth and jabbering on his headset. During the games where we believe Nagy was calling the plays Reid acted NO DIFFERENTLY on the sidelines than he did when he was calling the plays in the earlier games. First couple of times that I saw Reid doing that during a game where Nagy was supposed to be doing the playcalling I thought..."OH NO! Reid has taken the playcalling back!!!). But the style of playcalling didn't change so I concluded this was just Reid being Reid. I mean...if Nagy was calling the plays, we didn't really expect Reid to stand by the bench like a potted plant did we? But since we have a good "conspiracy theory"....here's another to add to the mix....As you will recall, Reid supposedly turned much of the playcalling over to Doug Pedersen. And that helped Pedersen get a head coaching job. Now Reid supposedly turns the playcalling over to Nagy and Nagy gets a HC position. What if it's all been a COMPLETE SHAM? What if Reid has been calling the plays all along and the reports that of Reid turning over playcalling to first Pedersen and then Nagy were just a game to help them get promoted?

It's really not so much of conspiracy theory as it is Reid just covering for his guys. While I don't get the Marty comparisons there are two things they have in common 1) Lots of wins and 2) Both sprouted big coaching trees.

My irritation is that the league could solve this by just putting a rule in place that barred teams from interviewing coaches from playoff teams during the postseason. Then Reid wouldn't have to worry about it.


I agree. Clarke isn't going to fire Reid unless Reid has 2-3 really bad seasons in a row or unless Reid goes "Full Marty" and we go "one and done" for 5 or 6 seasons in a row. We should all remember that it wasn't all that long ago that most of us would have given our left testicle to get someone who could return us to the Marty years.

Quite right. 5 winning seasons in a row, 4 out of 5 seasons making the playoffs, FINALLY a playoff win and two AFC West Championships in a row is not a bad season or a bad record. In fact, Reid has an EXCELLENT record in KC....there is just this small problem....he talks the girl out of her clothes and into bed, has GREAT foreplay and then when it's time to "seal the deal" he wilts...or anyway he has so far. As to responsibility, making changes to coaching staff etc.....Well...you appear to be getting your wish. We've got a new GM who I think it is safe to say is going to do Reid's bidding. Nagy is gone, Childress and Sutton are supposedly on their way out (and will certainly be replaced by Reid choices. Alex is on his way out and Mahomes is on his way in (and I believe Mahomes was mostly or all Reid's doing), Tamba is on his way out and some other "name players" will likely be gone with him. In short, for better or for worse Reid is now pretty much in control of the entire team and coaching staff. Reid will now be almost 100% responsible for every win and every loss. Reid wanted more control and he talked Clark into giving him (Reid) enough rope to hang himself or fly like an eagle. We will see what happens. But I don't see Clark Hunt reversing his decision unless Reid well and truly hangs himself. Hunt wouldn't have given Reid this much power unless he was pretty damned happy with the way things have gone so far

Can't help but get the feeling that we've seen part of this movie before...Keep in mind Reid got full control of football operations in Philly, too. Look at how that ended. I've said it before I'll say it again, don't want to see Reid get fired, just want the guy to own up and make changes on his own accord, not changes shoved down his throat. If he does that, I think KC will be holding another Lombardi. If not, brace yourselves for more games like the last one.

[ctchiefsfan]

CT.

Disagreement is great for a forum like this. As long as the people disagreeing can act like adults. That's why I post here more then another forum where the people well are more like children

Couldn't agree more. I also like this format for forum better than others formats.


I will say that I've been wrong many times about a number of things. But coaching has been one I feel I don't have a bad trac record on back in 2011 I was one of the first to scream that Haley needed to go. By the end there were not to many people that didn't agree with that. Same in 2012 while many wanted to say that everything would be fine if we "had a real QB" I was screaming from week 1 ROMEO was the problem and that Cassel was a side issue. By the end everyone was ready for Romeo to be gone. I hope I do turn out to be wrong this time. Time wil tell

When it comes to coaches and QBs I tend to be a "bitter ender". Usually the last one to say OFF WITH HIS HEAD! But I'm sort of like the canary in the coal mine.If I give up on a coach or QB you can figure they will be gone in the not too distant future.

[ctchiefsfan]

It was like they ran their scripted plays, with good success, and then couldn't figure out how to adjust after that.
But, as Coach rightly pointed out, when you only run 11 offensive plays in an entire half, it's the defense, specifically the run defense, that determined our collapse and early playoff exit.
I got a feeling all 3 of our draft picks (ouch) will be on defense.
Unless Reid and co can pull off a Kevin Costner Draft Day miracle.

Yup.....Hopefully Reid can find some team that wants Alex enough to be willing to pay a pretty penny for him. Good to see you back Bike.

[Bike]

Yup.....Hopefully Reid can find some team that wants Alex enough to be willing to pay a pretty penny for him. Good to see you back Bike.

Thank you. This is actually my favorite time to be on here, while we're making personnel changes and building towards a super bowl. I get too frustrated during the regular season, as the inevitable seems to always happen, as it has the past half century.
Sorry I was a jerk to you guys...

[ctchiefsfan]

It's really not so much of conspiracy theory as it is Reid just covering for his guys. While I don't get the Marty comparisons there are two things they have in common 1) Lots of wins and 2) Both sprouted big coaching trees.

I know. I was just being a little playful by using the term "conspiracy theory". And yeah...Reid manages the same way I do. When there is blame to be placed he always puts it on his own head, never on his staff or his players. And he'll always go the "extra mile" to help out one of "his people". "If we go down we all go down together." I'm still in touch with people that worked for me in my first management job in the early 80s.


My irritation is that the league could solve this by just putting a rule in place that barred teams from interviewing coaches from playoff teams during the postseason. Then Reid wouldn't have to worry about it.

Yup. This constant poaching of our staff while we're still playing annoys the living ship out of me. It would still annoy me if it happened after the season but nowhere near as much as it does while we are still playing football. Just as there is a "tampering period" for free agents, there should be a "poaching season" that starts after the Super Bowl ends.


Can't help but get the feeling that we've seen part of this movie before...Keep in mind Reid got full control of football operations in Philly, too. Look at how that ended. I've said it before I'll say it again, don't want to see Reid get fired, just want the guy to own up and make changes on his own accord, not changes shoved down his throat. If he does that, I think KC will be holding another Lombardi. If not, brace yourselves for more games like the last one.

NO DOUBT Dugstr! Old time Philly fans are probably saying..."OMG!!! He's doing it again!" And yup, it WORRIES ME. But I think it is simply part of his competitiveness. He figures he's the best so he wants to have control so that he can PROVE he's the best. I can't really fault him for it. But there is an upside to this. There are no possible excuses any more. It's completely Reid's show. Sink or swim. 3-4 years and we'll know if he floats or sinks.

[ctchiefsfan]

Thank you. This is actually my favorite time to be on here, while we're making personnel changes and building towards a super bowl. I get too frustrated during the regular season, as the inevitable seems to always happen, as it has the past half century.
Sorry I was a jerk to you guys...

NO WORRIES BIKE! Just glad to see you back. I've seen it happen in other forums before. The "old timers" get nervous when a new guy shows up and starts making a lot of posts. And yeah...sometimes I talk too much. Been that way since I learned to talk almost 60 years ago. I just really like talking about the Chiefs. And I do have a small ulterior motive. The more posts we have the more and higher we appear on search engines and that in turn increases the chances we get new members. And we could use a few of them. :) I must say that I have become very fond of the off-season since I joined here. This place makes it "Chiefs Season" all year long. :) Besides...a lot of the folks here know a hell of a lot more about football than I do so I learn a lot here and thereby become a better Chiefs fan. And then there's C4L....I still want him to tell me who his inside tipster is. Whoever it is comes up with some AMAZING predictions.

[matthewschiefs]

CT had his closing this is my closing argument right here #FIREANDY

[Chiefster]

Absolutely Agree Matt! In the playoff game the Chiefs showed up in the first half, went into the locker room and the Chefs (from the water boy to the head coach) came back out for the second half of the game.

[Chiefster]

CT had his closing this is my closing argument right here #FIREANDY

Yeah, I think Reid has some 'splainin to do.

[matthewschiefs]

Yeah, I think Reid has some 'splainin to do.

I've heard for years and years that this is a QB driven league And while that QB spot is important I agree I strongly believe this is a COACHING DRIVEN LEAGUE

Just look at the final 4 QBs. Foles,Keenum.Bortles are the 3 going with Brady.

Brady's team over the years has found a way to win without him when they needed to.

COACHING COACHING COACHING that's why I think the Andy thing is so freaking important. Until we fix that I don't think things are going to change

[Chiefs4life24]

A part of me wants to see Foles in the SB cause I think he has earned it but I think the Vikings D is too good

[Eydugstr]

A part of me wants to see Foles in the SB cause I think he has earned it but I think the Vikings D is too good

Definitely agree about wanting to see Foles do good. He did well for us filling in for Alex.

[Chiefster]

Well said CT. I’m not in the fire Andy camp for many of the reasons you mentioned. But I am in favor of someone else calling plays and a new defensive coordinator and potentially a new defensive scheme. We need to find a way to stop the run and play more consistently on both sides of the ball.

Agreed! Remember when it was the pass we couldn't stop? Now that we can defend the pass much better it's the run that is killing us.