Herms vision

[chief31]

I have a serious problem with the Herm Edwards' plan for the Chiefs' offense. He stated that he wants to play "smash-mouth, run the football" offense. While I do have great appreciation for that type of football team, I feel that there is a great oversight with that train of thought.

Every off-season, the NFL installs changes to the rulebook. Over the past decade, or two, the rules have been leaning, heavily, in favor of the passing game. I am not, by any means, an advocate for those rule changes. In fact, I despise them. However, they are set and, likely, will not be removed, any time soon. Within the passing offense, lay potential penalties of as much as sixty, to seventy yards and some automatic first-downs.

Hypothetically, if your defense manages to push the opposing offense to a, desperate, fourth and twenty-five, at their own twenty-five yard line, an illegal contact penalty will grant the offense an automatic first down. Or, in the same game situation, a pass-interference penalty could put the offense into a first and goal situation.

What this means to me, is that there is a growing and often overlooked aspect of the game of football, today. With offense, defense, special-teams and turnovers being the well-known aspects of the game, I believe that penalties should be viewed as a much more valuable aspect.

With a "run-first" style of offense, you decrease your opportunities for penalty yards.

With conference finals just ahead, the Chicago Bears are the closest thing to a "smash-mouth" running offense, that is left in the playoffs. (Unless you want to make a case against Drew Brees.) They are not very close to it, either. In fact, only three teams in this years playoffs, could be considered run-first teams. Each of those teams left the playoffs, in a hurry. Even last years Steelers became much less of a run-first team, before they managed to make some noise in the playoffs.

Herm has critcized the Chiefs' offense of recent years, by showing the teams lack of playoff success. Few, however, can argue that that was not a great offense. In my opinion, that was the best "smash-mouth" running attack that has existed, in several seasons.

The difference between that offense, and the type of offense that Edwards describes, is that Priest Holmes didn't run, directly into the teeth of the defense. It was, both, a "smash-mouth" running attack, and a finnesse running game. Not to mention the superb passing game that was creatively coupled with it. To criticize that offense, is foolish. When, clearly, the problem with those Chiefs teams, was a poor defense.

I would like for Herm to take a look around the NFL, and try to see waht is going on, offensively. In order to be successful, I think he has to.

[kenny1937]

Yep, I agree, I have serious problems with Hermie Ball, the only thing it will get us is a smashed mouth by the other teams.


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Herm has no peripheral vision

[Chiefster]

Herm has no peripheral vision

[kenny1937]

Yep, that's the reason we get smashed!!

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[wolfpack]

i think this year the only "true" pass first was indy. everyone wants to run. the only trouble is hermie goes to far. even marty after the ravens game this year opened up his passing attack.black is free agant this year and we need him,yes dont laugh. if anything as a backup or right tackle. we if can draft or sign a good solid left tackle then we can pass more. also a relieable #1 wideout is a must. the combintion of roaf retiring,not resigning T-Rich and hermieball has set our offense back to the turn of the century. if we can keep it in the top 12 and our defense can break the top 10, we`ll be ok. then again i might win the lotto,hahahaha

[wolfpack]

thinking about it more and reading the so called chiefs reporter Teicher,hermie wont be able to tear up the team to his liken totally. the cap wont let him. the biggest personal changes i think will come on the defensive side. sheilds,weigman may retire,hall and parker will be gone and green or haurd willbe the starter. if green takes a pay cut then green is the #1 and croyle is #2. but green is du around 7.2 mill, to much.

[kenny1937]

Yes, I agree wolfpack, it is going to be interesting to see how this all plays out, unfortuately I think we (the fans) are going to rehash this all over again, about this time next year, although I hope not.


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[Chiefster]

wolfpack wrote:
i think this year the only "true" pass first was indy. everyone wants to run. the only trouble is hermie goes to far. even marty after the ravens game this year opened up his passing attack.black is free agant this year and we need him,yes dont laugh. if anything as a backup or right tackle. we if can draft or sign a good solid left tackle then we can pass more. also a relieable #1 wideout is a must. the combintion of roaf retiring,not resigning T-Rich and hermieball has set our offense back to the turn of the century. if we can keep it in the top 12 and our defense can break the top 10, we`ll be ok. then again i might win the lotto,hahahaha

And I am going to finally strike it rich with Publishers Clearing House. :lol:

[chief31]

wolfpack wrote:
i think this year the only "true" pass first was indy. everyone wants to run. the only trouble is hermie goes to far. even marty after the ravens game this year opened up his passing attack.black is free agant this year and we need him,yes dont laugh. if anything as a backup or right tackle. we if can draft or sign a good solid left tackle then we can pass more. also a relieable #1 wideout is a must. the combintion of roaf retiring,not resigning T-Rich and hermieball has set our offense back to the turn of the century. if we can keep it in the top 12 and our defense can break the top 10, we`ll be ok. then again i might win the lotto,hahahaha

I didn't intend to insenuate that we need to try to duplicate the Colts offense. I just don't think that We should aim to be the '00/'01 Ravens' offense.

Herm says he wants a "ball control" offense. In '05, the Chiefs averaged over four minutes in T.O.P advantage. That is a "ball control" offense. He criticizes an offense that embodies what he claims to want to create for this team. The only difference between what he wants to do, and what the previous administration was doing, is that the D.V. offense was not scared to throw the football.

Not trying to attack you there, Wolfpack. I think we agree, for the most-part, on the Chiefs biggest problems.

[wolfpack]

i liked DV`s offense, attack,attack and attack. not afraid to throw down field. but i also thought AS got to cute sometimes. with DV`s offense you didnt need great wideouts,just average. with hermie`s offense you need alot better receivers than we have. plus Holmes was a better all around back then LJ. i say this because Holmes can catch , block better, and could bounce it outside better than LJ. he was more of a passing threat. to me its easier to guess what play hermie is going to call and with DV`s it wasnt. never thought of you attacking me chief31.

[Chiefster]

chief31 wrote:


wolfpack wrote:
i think this year the only "true" pass first was indy. everyone wants to run. the only trouble is hermie goes to far. even marty after the ravens game this year opened up his passing attack.black is free agant this year and we need him,yes dont laugh. if anything as a backup or right tackle. we if can draft or sign a good solid left tackle then we can pass more. also a relieable #1 wideout is a must. the combintion of roaf retiring,not resigning T-Rich and hermieball has set our offense back to the turn of the century. if we can keep it in the top 12 and our defense can break the top 10, we`ll be ok. then again i might win the lotto,hahahaha

I didn't intend to insenuate that we need to try to duplicate the Colts offense. I just don't think that We should aim to be the '00/'01 Ravens' offense.

Herm says he wants a "ball control" offense. In '05, the Chiefs averaged over four minutes in T.O.P advantage. That is a "ball control" offense. He criticizes an offense that embodies what he claims to want to create for this team. The only difference between what he wants to do, and what the previous administration was doing, is that the D.V. offense was not scared to throw the football.

Not trying to attack you there, Wolfpack. I think we agree, for the most-part, on the Chiefs biggest problems.

Yup; I think we can almost all agree that the Chiefs biggest problems is Herm.

[Guru]

Herm has no vision. The way this season was coached proves my point.

Wait, he does have TUNNEL vision though.

[kenny1937]

Sigh, the problem is that he can't see the light out of either end of the Tunnel. I don't even think a miner's hat light would help.


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[Guru]

kenny1937 wrote:
Sigh, the problem is that he can't see the light out of either end of the Tunnel. I don't even think a miner's hat light would help.


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With any luck, the train will take care of that. :hammer:

[Chiefster]

Guru wrote:


kenny1937 wrote:
Sigh, the problem is that he can't see the light out of either end of the Tunnel. I don't even think a miner's hat light would help.


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With any luck, the train will take care of that. :hammer:

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Oh man; one could only hope.

[Chiefster]

Guru wrote:
Herm has no vision. The way this season was coached proves my point.

Wait, he does have TUNNEL vision though.

Exactly!

[wolfpack]

hermie will get the players he wants,mold the team the way he wants. he will get us to the playoffs alot,,,,,but not win. hermie=marty.

[Chiefster]

wolfpack wrote:
hermie will get the players he wants,mold the team the way he wants. he will get us to the playoffs alot,,,,,but not win. hermie=marty.

Exactly!

[kenny1937]

It takes something plus something to equal something, hence the proper equation is:

Peterson+Edwards=Shotenfoot(Marty) (grin)


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[Chiefster]

kenny1937 wrote:
It takes something plus something to equal something, hence the proper equation is:

Peterson+Edwards=Shotenfoot(Marty) (grin)


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Well, not if you're thinking in terms of < or > but you have a good point. :-)

[chief31]

My base problem with the team, right now, is that when D.V. was here, I was confident in the Chiefs chances, in every game. Whereas now, I wonder how we could beat, even weaker teams. Opponents used to fear playing against us. Now, they know what's coming. "Stack-up against the run, and win the game."

While my love for the team, is as strong as ever, My confidence in them has been taking a beating.

[Chiefster]

chief31 wrote:
My base problem with the team, right now, is that when D.V. was here, I was confident in the Chiefs chances, in every game. Whereas now, I wonder how we could beat, even weaker teams. Opponents used to fear playing against us. Now, they know what's coming. "Stack-up against the run, and win the game."

While my love for the team, is as strong as ever, My confidence in them has been taking a beating.



My love and confidence in the team both took a beating so much that I gave up being a fan for about two days, and I actually felt worse because I've never been a fan of any other team.

Being a Chiefs fan is like being addicted to crack cocaine; no matter how detrimental to your well being it is you just keep going back to it.

[kenny1937]

Let's look at the math, because the proof is in the pudding:

1D GM+1D Coach=1D Team. So a one demensional outlook gives you a one demensional result. Simple Mathematics.

3D GM+3D Coach=3D Team. So a Three Demensional outliik give you a Three Demensional Result.

Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which has a best chance at great results. Mathmatics does not lie. (grin)

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