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DrunkHillbilly
12-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Get a clue bud!! Two things you should never talk about at the bar or in a public forum....Politics and religion.

Chiefster
12-06-2007, 02:41 PM
Which thread will timssat1 screw up next????



This one. :p

DrunkHillbilly
12-06-2007, 06:42 PM
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This one. :p

Ha!! LOL!!!!:yahoo:

timsatt1
12-06-2007, 06:51 PM
yes, this one....just have to figure out how i am going to do it...be patient.

i agree, i realize it isnt good to be too open with politics...but that is why i do it!!! :)

it is fun to talk about. i know i make enemies doing it, but...well, everyone has to have a few enemies in life!!!

just so happens that I have MANY!!!! dont think i am receiving any death threats though....yet.

rbedgood
12-06-2007, 09:46 PM
Get a clue bud!! Two things you should never talk about at the bar or in a public forum....Politics and religion.

Hmmm...basic social etiquette.

hermhater
12-06-2007, 11:07 PM
I think the real issue is immaturity.

I used to think I knew it all too.

Once I realized how ignorant he was, I kind of laid off the guy.

Give him a few years and a couple of devastating blows in life, and he could learn some things.

The guy isn't stupid, just ignorant and insensitive.

McLovin
12-07-2007, 12:02 PM
yes, this one....just have to figure out how i am going to do it...be patient.

i agree, i realize it isnt good to be too open with politics...but that is why i do it!!! :)

it is fun to talk about. i know i make enemies doing it, but...well, everyone has to have a few enemies in life!!!

just so happens that I have MANY!!!! dont think i am receiving any death threats though....yet.


DIE DIE :mob::mob::mob:


You mean like that ?
:lol::lol::lol:

McLovin
12-07-2007, 12:03 PM
BTW Tim, you never responded to my private message, you wanted a response from me and I respectfully gave it then ... notta, no reply. Sheesh, and I took a lot of time on that only to not get arrowcash for it, talk about ungrateful. Sheesh.


:lol::lol::lol:

timsatt1
12-07-2007, 06:31 PM
BTW Tim, you never responded to my private message, you wanted a response from me and I respectfully gave it then ... notta, no reply. Sheesh, and I took a lot of time on that only to not get arrowcash for it, talk about ungrateful. Sheesh.


:lol::lol::lol:

ha, no i read it and plan to respond.

but if you want a decent response, you have to wait till the weekend as i am extremely busy mon-friday...morning till late night.

you will get a response :)

here is some free rep for no reason at all. just because rush is so good to us all.

Canada
12-07-2007, 09:15 PM
BTW Tim, you never responded to my private message, you wanted a response from me and I respectfully gave it then ... notta, no reply. Sheesh, and I took a lot of time on that only to not get arrowcash for it, talk about ungrateful. Sheesh.


:lol::lol::lol:

sounds familiar

Chiefster
12-08-2007, 09:31 PM
Ha!! LOL!!!!:yahoo:

Laughter is good! :D

spiman
12-09-2007, 12:02 PM
If I have a bet on Hillary for a $100 to win--& I'm a Republican. Does that make me immature or just plain stupid? Don"t sweat the little Chit Timmsatt1! Just football and where is my beer.

timsatt1
12-09-2007, 12:45 PM
If I have a bet on Hillary for a $100 to win--& I'm a Republican. Does that make me immature or just plain stupid? Don"t sweat the little Chit Timmsatt1! Just football and where is my beer.

funny you ask that question. I actually seriously considered putting $500 on hillary a year ago on sportsbook.com.

almost did it, decided not to. Could possibly have made me a lot of money.

McLovin
12-09-2007, 06:35 PM
funny you ask that question. I actually seriously considered putting $500 on hillary a year ago on sportsbook.com.

almost did it, decided not to. Could possibly have made me a lot of money.

So you bet on Hillary to win, and she does and you win big, problem is if Hillary takes office, then the country is &*(ed and the money you won will be worthless.

Go Obama, BTW he is winning in Iowa and Hillary is going more negative all the time and chasing away voters.

She even attacked Obama on him telling his Kindergarten teacher (When he was in Kindergarten) that someday he wanted to be president.

tammietailgator
12-09-2007, 06:39 PM
I say that both are bad choices - I will vote for neither
Could get into my 'why's' but this is football site.

spiman
12-10-2007, 12:53 AM
Ditto, Football, Beer// loss..$$$$ Well more beer for the pain..Screw Demo's.. It goes-Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton nothing has changed. Sr./ Jr. /Wife/Cheater..The powers that B.

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 01:10 AM
So you bet on Hillary to win, and she does and you win big, problem is if Hillary takes office, then the country is &*(ed and the money you won will be worthless.

Go Obama, BTW he is winning in Iowa and Hillary is going more negative all the time and chasing away voters.

She even attacked Obama on him telling his Kindergarten teacher (When he was in Kindergarten) that someday he wanted to be president.

voting democrat is a huge mistake. obama isnta whole lot different than the Hillary.

hermhater
12-10-2007, 01:13 AM
voting democrat is a huge mistake. obama isnta whole lot different than the Hillary.

:fatlock:

McLovin
12-10-2007, 01:16 AM
voting democrat is a huge mistake. obama isnta whole lot different than the Hillary.
Yeah cause George W Bush has been so great for this country. This country is in the worst shape it has been in in my lifetime, and I lived during the Jimmy Carter years. I don't see how I can possibly trust a republican in this election.

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 01:21 AM
Yeah cause George W Bush has been so great for this country. This country is in the worst shape it has been in in my lifetime, and I lived during the Jimmy Carter years. I don't see how I can possibly trust a republican in this election.


what is so bad about this country? you get your perspective of our country through what CNN tells you?

probably so. wake up. economy good. life is good. be happy!! enjoy life!!! what exactly would make it good? making it a socialist country? yeah! great idea! vote democrat! we can have more government programs. Just what we need.

I cannot wait for free healthcare, that will do wonders for our country. I know our buddy Canada is visiting his clinic every day, enjoying the freeness of it.

Chiefster
12-10-2007, 01:21 AM
Ditto, Football, Beer// loss..$$$$ Well more beer for the pain..Screw Demo's.. It goes-Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton nothing has changed. Sr./ Jr. /Wife/Cheater..The powers that B.

I'm jaded toward the entire political process and truly believe that there is not a whole lot of difference between them on either side of the isle. The problem, IMO, is that most are politicians and not human beings. Yet I find myself voting every single General Election, and still believe that we live in the greatest country in the entire world.

McLovin
12-10-2007, 01:27 AM
what is so bad about this country? you get your perspective of our country through what CNN tells you?

probably so. wake up. economy good. life is good. be happy!! enjoy life!!! what exactly would make it good? making it a socialist country? yeah! great idea! vote democrat! we can have more government programs. Just what we need.

I cannot wait for free healthcare, that will do wonders for our country. I know our buddy Canada is visiting his clinic every day, enjoying the freeness of it.
I am not going to argue this on a football board with a brainwashed rushie. The economy sucks, gas has tripled, utility bills have doubled or more, the only reason unemployment looks good to people like you is that most of the unemployed took minimum wage jobs so they could try to eat, or they are no longer counted as unemployed because they have been for too long so they are removed. And yes I will vote democrat.

Off my soapbox, and the very last of my political postings.

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 01:29 AM
I'm jaded toward the entire political process and truly believe that there is not a whole lot of difference between them on either side of the isle. The problem, IMO, is that most are politicians and not human beings. Yet I find myself voting every single General Election, and still believe that we live in the greatest country in the entire world.

i agree, they are not true humans, but there still is a big difference in republican and democrat. Even though republican party is far from good. they are closer to good than democrat. Democrat literally wants to change our country from having a free society, free enterprise and they want to turn it into a socialist country, share the wealth system where we work and they distribute the money how they want.

another huge factor is the judges that the next president will be electing. If a liberal democrat is elected, they will be electing extremely liberal judges.

another factor is the big machines running a certain candidate.

i am not sure exactly who is behind each republican candidate, but "Media Matters" organization basically runs the Hillary machine and is there big backer financially (even though they are a non profit organization lol) and media matters is as far left as you can get.

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 01:32 AM
I am not going to argue this on a football board with a brainwashed rushie. The economy sucks, gas has tripled, utility bills have doubled or more, the only reason unemployment looks good to people like you is that most of the unemployed took minimum wage jobs so they could try to eat, or they are no longer counted as unemployed because they have been for too long so they are removed. And yes I will vote democrat.

Off my soapbox, and the very last of my political postings.

:funnypost:

tammietailgator
12-10-2007, 01:40 AM
i agree, they are not true humans, but there still is a big difference in republican and democrat. Even though republican party is far from good. they are closer to good than democrat. Democrat literally wants to change our country from having a free society, free enterprise and they want to turn it into a socialist country, share the wealth system where we work and they distribute the money how they want.

another huge factor is the judges that the next president will be electing. If a liberal democrat is elected, they will be electing extremely liberal judges.

another factor is the big machines running a certain candidate.

i am not sure exactly who is behind each republican candidate, but "Media Matters" organization basically runs the Hillary machine and is there big backer financially (even though they are a non profit organization lol) and media matters is as far left as you can get.

You mean Oprah??? I am not looking forward to this election year.
:beer:

Chiefster
12-10-2007, 02:25 AM
i agree, they are not true humans, but there still is a big difference in republican and democrat...

Only at election time my friend; on this we will have to agree to disagree.

hermhater
12-10-2007, 02:29 AM
Only at election time my friend; on this we will have to agree to disagree.

You called timmsatt friend!

You have cooties!

:lol: :beer:

Chiefster
12-10-2007, 03:05 AM
You called timmsatt friend!

You have cooties!

:lol: :beer:

Meh! I call everyone "friend"; even you. :p

hermhater
12-10-2007, 03:37 AM
Meh! I call everyone "friend"; even you. :p

Aaahhh...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2007/12/17.jpg

:D

spiman
12-10-2007, 03:54 AM
I fell off my soap box when the Chiefs lost to Raiders of all teams..We are just plain saddddd..Not enough beer could stop this crying..booo whooo.Football rules///Politics suck..

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 02:29 PM
Aaahhh...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2007/12/17.jpg

:D

HH, which of those two is you, and which is Chiefs31?

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 03:43 PM
I am not going to argue this on a football board with a brainwashed rushie. The economy sucks, gas has tripled, utility bills have doubled or more, the only reason unemployment looks good to people like you is that most of the unemployed took minimum wage jobs so they could try to eat, or they are no longer counted as unemployed because they have been for too long so they are removed. And yes I will vote democrat.

Off my soapbox, and the very last of my political postings.

only in America is someone known as being poor for making minimum wage.

minimum wage in the majority of all the other countries is known as being blessed.

republicans = free economy, free trade, less government interference, the way it should be.

more government is never the answer.

Canada
12-10-2007, 06:07 PM
only in America is someone known as being poor for making minimum wage.

minimum wage in the majority of all the other countries is known as being blessed.

republicans = free economy, free trade, less government interference, the way it should be.

more government is never the answer.

No, it is known as having a crappy job. There is a rson it is called minimum wage. It is barely enough to survive.

timsatt1
12-10-2007, 10:33 PM
No, it is known as having a crappy job. There is a rson it is called minimum wage. It is barely enough to survive.


food water clothing and shelter ...plus a loving family is all you need in life. Us Americans, yes me included, have trouble comprehending this. I know we feel like we need more than that. But you dont. People on minimum wage survive. No they dont live in the nicest places. But had they put more effort in school and throughout life, in most cases, they would probably be better off.

You have to earn your job and your wage. nothing should be handed to you. I wish they would quit teaching people that they need to rely on government in order to survive. But that is the way it is. So be it. Life was never meant to be perfect.

stlchief
12-11-2007, 02:37 AM
food water clothing and shelter ...plus a loving family is all you need in life. Us Americans, yes me included, have trouble comprehending this. I know we feel like we need more than that. But you dont. People on minimum wage survive. No they dont live in the nicest places. But had they put more effort in school and throughout life, in most cases, they would probably be better off.

You have to earn your job and your wage. nothing should be handed to you. I wish they would quit teaching people that they need to rely on government in order to survive. But that is the way it is. So be it. Life was never meant to be perfect.


I try to stay away from political commentary in public, so I won't weigh in on one side or the other, but minimum wage is hard. You can survive, but timsatt1, start doing the math. Assume you work 50 hrs a week @ minimum wage. Now assume you are married with 2 young kids (pre-school age).

Now look around in a big city and see where you can live. How much do you have left over for groceries / car / bills? Now -- how much is left over for clothes / toys / books / etc. for the kids.

It doesn't work. And guess what, you now live in a bad-education part of town (that's what you could afford). So your kids won't get a good education. But maybe you will spend hours with them a day supplementing? Nope - you are working more than one job if you make minimum wage and have a family. Looks like the kids will have a hard time "just doing better in school" as you said their parents should have done.

Poverty (and yes minimum wage for a family of 4 is poverty) breeds poverty. It is a viscous cycle.

Talk politics if you want. But don't talk about things that you don't know about and act like it's not a big deal -- people live it every day and it is a big deal, and there is no easy solution like "well, you should have just avoided it".

hermhater
12-11-2007, 02:39 AM
I try to stay away from political commentary in public, so I won't weigh in on one side or the other, but minimum wage is hard. You can survive, but timsatt1, start doing the math. Assume you work 50 hrs a week @ minimum wage. Now assume you are married with 2 young kids (pre-school age).

Now look around in a big city and see where you can live. How much do you have left over for groceries / car / bills? Now -- how much is left over for clothes / toys / books / etc. for the kids.

It doesn't work. And guess what, you now live in a bad-education part of town (that's what you could afford). So your kids won't get a good education. But maybe you will spend hours with them a day supplementing? Nope - you are working more than one job if you make minimum wage and have a family. Looks like the kids will have a hard time "just doing better in school" as you said their parents should have done.

Poverty (and yes minimum wage for a family of 4 is poverty) breeds poverty. It is a viscous cycle.

Talk politics if you want. But don't talk about things that you don't know about and act like it's not a big deal -- people live it every day and it is a big deal, and there is no easy solution like "well, you should have just avoided it".

Very well put man!

Succinct!

prough91
12-11-2007, 02:40 AM
I try to stay away from political commentary in public, so I won't weigh in on one side or the other, but minimum wage is hard. You can survive, but timsatt1, start doing the math. Assume you work 50 hrs a week @ minimum wage. Now assume you are married with 2 young kids (pre-school age).

Now look around in a big city and see where you can live. How much do you have left over for groceries / car / bills? Now -- how much is left over for clothes / toys / books / etc. for the kids.

It doesn't work. And guess what, you now live in a bad-education part of town (that's what you could afford). So your kids won't get a good education. But maybe you will spend hours with them a day supplementing? Nope - you are working more than one job if you make minimum wage and have a family. Looks like the kids will have a hard time "just doing better in school" as you said their parents should have done.

Poverty (and yes minimum wage for a family of 4 is poverty) breeds poverty. It is a viscous cycle.

Talk politics if you want. But don't talk about things that you don't know about and act like it's not a big deal -- people live it every day and it is a big deal, and there is no easy solution like "well, you should have just avoided it".

tim is like 23. He don't have a clue. He works for his daddy's company, and (I'm assuming) still suckles from his momma's teat. He don't know how hard it is.

Chiefster
12-11-2007, 02:49 AM
tim is like 23. He don't have a clue. He works for his daddy's company, and (I'm assuming) still suckles from his momma's teat. He don't know how hard it is.

Meh! I ignore him; simply isn't worth all the aggravation.

prough91
12-11-2007, 03:30 AM
Meh! I ignore him; simply isn't worth all the aggravation.

Granted.

Chiefster
12-11-2007, 03:36 AM
Granted.

Cool! It's been a while since I had something granted to me. :D

chief31
12-11-2007, 04:16 AM
food water clothing and shelter ...plus a loving family is all you need in life. Us Americans, yes me included, have trouble comprehending this. I know we feel like we need more than that. But you dont. People on minimum wage survive. No they dont live in the nicest places. But had they put more effort in school and throughout life, in most cases, they would probably be better off.

You have to earn your job and your wage. nothing should be handed to you. I wish they would quit teaching people that they need to rely on government in order to survive. But that is the way it is. So be it. Life was never meant to be perfect.

How about electricity? Automobile? Car insurance? Don't forget Uncle Sams cut, tax and title, Furniture? Phone? Garbage pickup? College tuition?

You have the mentallity of someone who thinks that prison is a pretty good life, for everyone else. You are just a total humanitarian, aren't you? Try living it, before you reccomend it.

prough91
12-11-2007, 04:20 AM
How about electricity? Automobile? Car insurance? Don't forget Uncle Sams cut, tax and title, Furniture? Phone? Garbage pickup? College tuition?

You have the mentallity of someone who thinks that prison is a pretty good life, for everyone else. You are just a total humanitarian, aren't you? Try living it, before you reccomend it.

It's easy to live like tim when you work and live with daddy.

timsatt1
12-11-2007, 08:44 PM
I try to stay away from political commentary in public, so I won't weigh in on one side or the other, but minimum wage is hard. You can survive, but timsatt1, start doing the math. Assume you work 50 hrs a week @ minimum wage. Now assume you are married with 2 young kids (pre-school age).

Now look around in a big city and see where you can live. How much do you have left over for groceries / car / bills? Now -- how much is left over for clothes / toys / books / etc. for the kids.

It doesn't work. And guess what, you now live in a bad-education part of town (that's what you could afford). So your kids won't get a good education. But maybe you will spend hours with them a day supplementing? Nope - you are working more than one job if you make minimum wage and have a family. Looks like the kids will have a hard time "just doing better in school" as you said their parents should have done.

Poverty (and yes minimum wage for a family of 4 is poverty) breeds poverty. It is a viscous cycle.

Talk politics if you want. But don't talk about things that you don't know about and act like it's not a big deal -- people live it every day and it is a big deal, and there is no easy solution like "well, you should have just avoided it".

well then lets give them government handouts so that they will go to college and not work hard like their parents didnt and drop out and still be in the same position as their parents were only a lot of tax payers are out of money now.

i realize it is hard. The answer is Church, not government.

government is not the solution. I would rather churches help out needy families before government.

excuse me, what i mean is they can find help in the right church.

but the real answer is for their parents to find a time machine and do things right the next time. You know, dont party, get addicted to drugs, overspend on your credit card......work hard, be the best worker at your company always show up on time always do the right thing. The real problem is with the individual, not the government.

rbedgood
12-11-2007, 08:55 PM
Minimum wage is just that, a minimum. If you need more (and I'd argue you do to support a family of 4) then get a job with more responsibilities or skills required. As for the role of government/church, I won't get into my full opinion on this.

Rather I'll state that I can see some argument on both sides of the scale. From the pure "Economics" side (against minimum wage) our economy is based on capitalism, which means supply and demand in the market drive prices. Not only the price of goods, but also the price-value of your services. Minimum wage is a hinderance to a free-market system. Additionally creating a minimum wage simply drives up prices of goods correcting whatever if any relief the minimum wage hike creates.

Although from a humanitarian side obviously very few if any of us want to see anyone particularly children suffer.

timsatt1
12-11-2007, 08:58 PM
so if anyone is truly concerned about the humanitary side of things....what are you personally doing to help? nothing? well there lies the problem. There is more than enough opportunities out there to go and help.

THat is the answer more so than giving government more tax dollars that they can waiste. More government is never the right answer. More social programs is not good.

rbedgood
12-11-2007, 09:09 PM
so if anyone is truly concerned about the humanitary side of things....what are you personally doing to help? nothing? well there lies the problem. There is more than enough opportunities out there to go and help.

THat is the answer more so than giving government more tax dollars that they can waiste. More government is never the right answer. More social programs is not good.

Personally, I do volunteer work for a few organizations, including but not limited to my local church. I have paid my fair share of taxes over the years for sure, just to see that money go down the drain for the most part.

I do feel that it is important for us to be well rounded individuals, but I am here in large part to feed the sports-crazed football addicted part of my well-rounded self. So back to football.

timsatt1
12-11-2007, 10:10 PM
Personally, I do volunteer work for a few organizations, including but not limited to my local church. I have paid my fair share of taxes over the years for sure, just to see that money go down the drain for the most part.

I do feel that it is important for us to be well rounded individuals, but I am here in large part to feed the sports-crazed football addicted part of my well-rounded self. So back to football.

most of the time, the people that are for more taxes on the "rich", against tax cuts because they think the rich already have too much, and feel sorry for the poor although they dont do anything for them...just feel sorry for em, are liberals.

liberals are good at feeling sorry for people, just bad about doing something for them. they dont have any problem taking other peoples money to help them, but cant do anything on their own. Liberals are sad sad people.

luv
12-11-2007, 10:23 PM
most of the time, the people that are for more taxes on the "rich", against tax cuts because they think the rich already have too much, and feel sorry for the poor although they dont do anything for them...just feel sorry for em, are liberals.

liberals are good at feeling sorry for people, just bad about doing something for them. they dont have any problem taking other peoples money to help them, but cant do anything on their own. Liberals are sad sad people.
For the people by the people. Yet, no one wants to spend the money to take care of anyone else. Tell me, when you're volunteering at the soup kitchen, do you ask if someone is a liberal before offering them soup?

DrunkHillbilly
12-11-2007, 10:42 PM
so if anyone is truly concerned about the humanitary side of things....what are you personally doing to help? nothing? well there lies the problem. There is more than enough opportunities out there to go and help.

THat is the answer more so than giving government more tax dollars that they can waiste. More government is never the right answer. More social programs is not good.
What are you doing to help besides spewing a bunch of hot air into the room?

timsatt1
12-11-2007, 10:53 PM
What are you doing to help besides spewing a bunch of hot air into the room?

ok so i sort of set myself up for this question...but i volunteer 10 hours during monday through friday (6pm-8pm now (was 7-9pm 2 weeks ago and prior) with an autistic 4 year old. then i also watch him at the church he goes to while his parents attend the service.

this isnt to brag. this is to show that there are people out there, many people in fact that really dont just live for themselves.

everyone should find some way to help out the needy. That is the solution but it isnt taxing the rich so that part of that tax money goes to the needy and most of it gets waisted.

you never hear about these people or the impact of the American churches that help the poor because there is a liberal media out there that doesnt want you to know this. you are all brainwashed. simple as that. I know i will never convince you of anything, but i will never stop speaking the truth.

if you want to help the "problem", there are problems all around you, you just have to actually do something about it.

Coach
12-11-2007, 10:57 PM
and I lived during the Jimmy Carter years. I don't see how I can possibly trust a republican in this election.

You say this like it was forever ago. I guess in Tims case it was before he was born.


I'm jaded toward the entire political process and truly believe that there is not a whole lot of difference between them on either side of the isle. The problem, IMO, is that most are politicians and not human beings. Yet I find myself voting every single General Election, and still believe that we live in the greatest country in the entire world.

It truly has become an election where we are required to choose the lesser of evils. And pretty much nothing will get done except for a lot of spending of tax dollars. I'm trying to think of any major change that any recent president(last 5) has made that I have benefited from. I can't think of one.


Poverty (and yes minimum wage for a family of 4 is poverty) breeds poverty. It is a viscous cycle.

Talk politics if you want. But don't talk about things that you don't know about and act like it's not a big deal -- people live it every day and it is a big deal, and there is no easy solution like "well, you should have just avoided it".

I couldn't agree more with this post.

timsatt1
12-11-2007, 11:00 PM
You say this like it was forever ago. I guess in Tims case it was before he was born.



It truly has become an election where we are required to choose the lesser of evils. And pretty much nothing will get done except for a lot of spending of tax dollars. I'm trying to think of any major change that any recent president(last 5) has made that I have benefited from. I can't think of one.




I couldn't agree more with this post.

yes, this is the whole point. you liberals are expecting something from the government. that is the problem.

i expect NOTHING from the government. they do not owe me anything, i have no sort of entitlement.

it is not what your country can do for you, it is what you can do for your country. that is a line you liberals will NEVER understand.

luv
12-11-2007, 11:45 PM
ok so i sort of set myself up for this question...but i volunteer 10 hours during monday through friday (6pm-8pm now (was 7-9pm 2 weeks ago and prior) with an autistic 4 year old. then i also watch him at the church he goes to while his parents attend the service.

this isnt to brag. this is to show that there are people out there, many people in fact that really dont just live for themselves.

everyone should find some way to help out the needy. That is the solution but it isnt taxing the rich so that part of that tax money goes to the needy and most of it gets waisted.

you never hear about these people or the impact of the American churches that help the poor because there is a liberal media out there that doesnt want you to know this. you are all brainwashed. simple as that. I know i will never convince you of anything, but i will never stop speaking the truth.

if you want to help the "problem", there are problems all around you, you just have to actually do something about it.
They must not be liberals.

rbedgood
12-11-2007, 11:49 PM
Tim,

Careful with the generalizations. Just because someone has a "humanitarian" side doesn't mean they are liberal or buy into the "generalized" solutions that you list. I admire that you volunteer time to help a child in need. I agree that as a society we need to do a better job of reaching out to those in need. This just isn't the forum or the place to get into a political debate. This is by nature a sports related forum. If you are looking for a political related forum go to your favorite search engine and seek one out.


BACK TO FOOTBALL....

luv
12-12-2007, 12:11 AM
They must not be liberals.
I take this back. They must be liberals if they need your help. Wasn't that your logic? Liberals can't help themselves?

DrunkHillbilly
12-12-2007, 12:16 AM
ok so i sort of set myself up for this question...but i volunteer 10 hours during monday through friday (6pm-8pm now (was 7-9pm 2 weeks ago and prior) with an autistic 4 year old. then i also watch him at the church he goes to while his parents attend the service.

this isnt to brag. this is to show that there are people out there, many people in fact that really dont just live for themselves.

everyone should find some way to help out the needy. That is the solution but it isnt taxing the rich so that part of that tax money goes to the needy and most of it gets waisted.

you never hear about these people or the impact of the American churches that help the poor because there is a liberal media out there that doesnt want you to know this. you are all brainwashed. simple as that. I know i will never convince you of anything, but i will never stop speaking the truth.

if you want to help the "problem", there are problems all around you, you just have to actually do something about it.
It's great you take time with this unfortunate little boy but what does this do to help fix our society and keep the "liberals" that you so often refer to from ruining our culture?

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 12:23 AM
It's great you take time with this unfortunate little boy but what does this do to help fix our society and keep the "liberals" that you so often refer to from ruining our culture?

my main point is that the libs want to "fix" everything by taxing more for schools, taxing more for healthcare programs, taxing more for everything....as if the government has a real solution.

the solution to help the needy isnt the government, it is you and me.

what i do doesnt help keep the libs from ruining our culture. our votes for non-libs aka not voting democrat is what would keep them from ruining our culture and turning us into a socialist country.

I am not in any way saying that the republicans have the solution because they dont. but they are by far the lesser of the two evils...the least likely to change our free society to a socialist society.

but...all in all...one day our country is going to go down the toilet anyways. and nothing is going to stop that. it is just a matter of how fast that happens, whether now or later. i would prefer later.

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 12:24 AM
I take this back. They must be liberals if they need your help. Wasn't that your logic? Liberals can't help themselves?

yes, in fact, that is my logic. liberals expect something from the government.

conservatives learn growing up to rely on themselves, and not expect anything from the government.

it is not what your country can do for you, it is what you can do for your country.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 12:25 AM
my main point is that the libs want to "fix" everything by taxing more for schools, taxing more for healthcare programs, taxing more for everything....as if the government has a real solution.

the solution to help the needy isnt the government, it is you and me.

what i do doesnt help keep the libs from ruining our culture. our votes for non-libs aka not voting democrat is what would keep them from ruining our culture and turning us into a socialist country.

I am not in any way saying that the republicans have the solution because they dont. but they are by far the lesser of the two evils...the least likely to change our free society to a socialist society.

but...all in all...one day our country is going to go down the toilet anyways. and nothing is going to stop that. it is just a matter of how fast that happens, whether now or later. i would prefer later.

You call having your phone tapped being free?

hermhater
12-12-2007, 12:26 AM
yes, in fact, that is my logic. liberals expect something from the government.

conservatives learn growing up to rely on themselves, and not expect anything from the government.

it is not what your country can do for you, it is what you can do for your country.

So that is what your daddy taught you?

Rely on yourself?

So you don't rely on daddy for a job?

Sounds like you have the most warped sense of reality that I have ever heard of.

Come to think of it, either daddy or Rush has jacked you up so much, you don't even know what you are saying or thinking any more.


Another worthless ditto head.

DrunkHillbilly
12-12-2007, 12:27 AM
You call having your phone tapped being free?
I don't really mind my phone being tapped if it's going to protect. I don't have anything to hide.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 12:29 AM
I don't really mind my phone being tapped if it's going to protect. I don't have anything to hide.

Some of us do!

:D

DrunkHillbilly
12-12-2007, 12:30 AM
Some of us do!

:D
Are you being naughty????:11:

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 12:31 AM
You call having your phone tapped being free?


i highly doubt that your phone is being tapped or that the government or anyone for that matter cares what you have to say on your cell phone.

that is great though that you list one example. like i said.....republican party is far from perfect....lesser of two evils and all that mumbo jumbo...

...but i said that the democratic party, the leaders of it, want to control YOU, want to tell you what you can and cannot do in your own home. Want your kids at the age of 4 all the way until they are 18 (or for those who go to college 22- whatever age) They do not like freedom. They want to tell you how much you can drive how many carbon emmissions you can put out in the air, control control control.


they dont want to protect our borders and want to give away our country to mexico. which will happen. we are going to lsoe some states to them.
we are going to be the first country EVER to be taken over by another country without even a single shot fired.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 12:31 AM
Are you being naughty????:11:

Is there any other way to be?

:lol: :drunkhb: :bananen_smilies046:

hermhater
12-12-2007, 12:33 AM
i highly doubt that your phone is being tapped or that the government or anyone for that matter cares what you have to say on your cell phone.

that is great though that you list one example. like i said.....republican party is far from perfect....lesser of two evils and all that mumbo jumbo...

...but i said that the democratic party, the leaders of it, want to control YOU, want to tell you what you can and cannot do in your own home. Want your kids at the age of 4 all the way until they are 18 (or for those who go to college 22- whatever age) They do not like freedom. They want to tell you how much you can drive how many carbon emmissions you can put out in the air, control control control.

we are going to be the first country EVER to be taken over by another country without even a single shot fired..

You're kidding right?

I had no idea you were so clueless.

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 12:40 AM
.

You're kidding right?

I had no idea you were so clueless.


oh hell yeah i am serious. you think republicans are the ones banning smoking in privately owned businesses? HELL NO. it is democrats. it is california. and california is pushing towards banning smoking PERIOD. not even in your own house.

but government should not have that kind of power to tell a privately owned restaurant that they cannot allow smoking. That is what PRIVATE is all about, the company private and free. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL.

Guru
12-12-2007, 12:45 AM
Ugh.

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:28 AM
yes, this is the whole point. you liberals are expecting something from the government. that is the problem.

i expect NOTHING from the government. they do not owe me anything, i have no sort of entitlement.

it is not what your country can do for you, it is what you can do for your country. that is a line you liberals will NEVER understand.

That's easy when you are what, 23 or 24, and work for your daddy. You say anything different and you are a liar. You don't know what it's like having it rough. You never had to earn anything. There's no way I'm going to sit here and let somebody that was born with a silver spoon in there mouth act like they had it rough.

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:31 AM
ok so i sort of set myself up for this question...but i volunteer 10 hours during monday through friday (6pm-8pm now (was 7-9pm 2 weeks ago and prior) with an autistic 4 year old. then i also watch him at the church he goes to while his parents attend the service.

this isnt to brag. this is to show that there are people out there, many people in fact that really dont just live for themselves.

everyone should find some way to help out the needy. That is the solution but it isnt taxing the rich so that part of that tax money goes to the needy and most of it gets waisted.

you never hear about these people or the impact of the American churches that help the poor because there is a liberal media out there that doesnt want you to know this. you are all brainwashed. simple as that. I know i will never convince you of anything, but i will never stop speaking the truth.

if you want to help the "problem", there are problems all around you, you just have to actually do something about it.

You once speak the truth and I, and some others I'm guessing, will fall over dead.

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:34 AM
i highly doubt that your phone is being tapped or that the government or anyone for that matter cares what you have to say on your cell phone.

that is great though that you list one example. like i said.....republican party is far from perfect....lesser of two evils and all that mumbo jumbo...

...but i said that the democratic party, the leaders of it, want to control YOU, want to tell you what you can and cannot do in your own home. Want your kids at the age of 4 all the way until they are 18 (or for those who go to college 22- whatever age) They do not like freedom. They want to tell you how much you can drive how many carbon emmissions you can put out in the air, control control control.


they dont want to protect our borders and want to give away our country to mexico. which will happen. we are going to lsoe some states to them.
we are going to be the first country EVER to be taken over by another country without even a single shot fired.

That is, quite possibly, the most ignorant thing I ever heard.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 03:35 AM
Damn, and I thought I was done with this thread prough.

What do you say to someone like timsatt?

I have tried logic, compassion, and humiliation to try to get through to him.

It seems like every time he is able to post an opinion that is not completely centric, he follows it up with blather.

Ugh is right Guru.

Guru
12-12-2007, 03:38 AM
I can't stand politics on sports forums.

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:40 AM
Damn, and I thought I was done with this thread prough.

What do you say to someone like timsatt?

I have tried logic, compassion, and humiliation to try to get through to him.

It seems like every time he is able to post an opinion that is not completely centric, he follows it up with blather.

Ugh is right Guru.

I promised chiefster that I wouldn't resort to namecalling and the such with him. I think if everyone ignored him he would just go away. Lord, I want to tear him up though.

Guru
12-12-2007, 03:44 AM
I promised chiefster that I wouldn't resort to namecalling and the such with him. I think if everyone ignored him he would just go away. Lord, I want to tear him up though.

There is an ignore feature that you can assign to anyone on the site.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 03:45 AM
I promised chiefster that I wouldn't resort to namecalling and the such with him. I think if everyone ignored him he would just go away. Lord, I want to tear him up though.

Name calling is for children.

We are all adults here and can resort to much better tactics than that.

I wonder what tactics are available though...

Can we make fun of ourselves and then call ourselves timsatt?

...a loophole perhaps from the liberal media?

:lol:

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:46 AM
Name calling is for children.

We are all adults here and can resort to much better tactics than that.

I wonder what tactics are available though...

Can we make fun of ourselves and then call ourselves timsatt?

...a loophole perhaps from the liberal media?

:lol:

Lol, I'm actually a conservative, but some people can really make us look stupid.

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:47 AM
There is an ignore feature that you can assign to anyone on the site.

I will not rest, nay, take refuge, until I can expose tim's ridiculous swill.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 03:47 AM
There is an ignore feature that you can assign to anyone on the site.

I spoke with Coach and he said I could not be ignored.

:lol:

prough91
12-12-2007, 03:48 AM
I spoke with Coach and he said I could not be ignored.

:lol:

Only in our dreams.

Guru
12-12-2007, 03:53 AM
Name calling is for children.

We are all adults here and can resort to much better tactics than that.

I wonder what tactics are available though...

Can we make fun of ourselves and then call ourselves timsatt?

...a loophole perhaps from the drive-by media?

:lol:

FYP.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 03:56 AM
Name calling is for children.

We are all adults here and can resort to much better tactics than that.

I wonder what tactics are available though...

Can we make fun of ourselves and then call ourselves timsatt?

...a loophole perhaps from the liberal media?

:lol:


FYP.


Thank you!

:lol:

chief31
12-12-2007, 04:58 AM
You say this like it was forever ago. I guess in Tims case it was before he was born.



It truly has become an election where we are required to choose the lesser of evils. And pretty much nothing will get done except for a lot of spending of tax dollars. I'm trying to think of any major change that any recent president(last 5) has made that I have benefited from. I can't think of one.



I couldn't agree more with this post.

Ron Paul. :D


yes, this is the whole point. you liberals are expecting something from the government. that is the problem.

i expect NOTHING from the government. they do not owe me anything, i have no sort of entitlement.

it is not what your country can do for you, it is what you can do for your country. that is a line you liberals will NEVER understand.

Some people expect something from the government based upon the fact that they have been paying for it for their entire careers.


I don't really mind my phone being tapped if it's going to protect. I don't have anything to hide.

I have something to hide. My private conversations. You know, as well as I do, that this is just another way for the government to have "control" over the people. But when the republicans do it, you think that is O.K.


oh hell yeah i am serious. you think republicans are the ones banning smoking in privately owned businesses? HELL NO. it is democrats. it is california. and california is pushing towards banning smoking PERIOD. not even in your own house.

but government should not have that kind of power to tell a privately owned restaurant that they cannot allow smoking. That is what PRIVATE is all about, the company private and free. CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL.

Yes. I think that Republicans are doing that stuff too. Because I know the names of Giulianni and Schwartzeneger. You seem to push all blame on the left, and ignore the actions of the right.

I think that we all agree to the "lesser of two evils" theory, but differ on which is actually the lesser.

One party wants to regulate everything here, moreso than the other, and the other wants to regulate the rest of the world, moreso than the other. Both parties want to use our money to fund their ambitions.

Me, I would rather that money be used to help Americans, than to stick our nose in the rest of the worlds problems, by causing bigger problems, then trying to clean-up those messes.

Although, I hate the loss of freedom as much as the use of military might, to impose our will upon the rest of the world.

Both parties suck. I will vote for Ron Paul. (Listed as a Rep. but certainly not in the recently most common mold.)

No more politics for me.

hermhater
12-12-2007, 05:05 AM
Ron Paul. :D



Some people expect something from the government based upon the fact that they have been paying for it for their entire careers.



I have something to hide. My private conversations. You know, as well as I do, that this is just another way for the government to have "control" over the people. But when the republicans do it, you think that is O.K.



Yes. I think that Republicans are doing that stuff too. Because I know the names of Giulianni and Schwartzeneger. You seem to push all blame on the left, and ignore the actions of the right.

I think that we all agree to the "lesser of two evils" theory, but differ on which is actually the lesser.

One party wants to regulate everything here, moreso than the other, and the other wants to regulate the rest of the world, moreso than the other. Both parties want to use our money to fund their ambitions.

Me, I would rather that money be used to help Americans, than to stick our nose in the rest of the worlds problems, by causing bigger problems, then trying to clean-up those messes.

Although, I hate the loss of freedom as much as the use of military might, to impose our will upon the rest of the world.

Both parties suck. I will vote for Ron Paul. (Listed as a Rep. but certainly not in the recently most common mold.)

No more politics for me.


Don't know who not to vote for yet this time.

Gonna be a close race again...

Sigh...

rbedgood
12-12-2007, 05:08 AM
Lol, I'm actually a conservative, but some people can really make us look stupid.

Prough...well said. Not all "conservatives" fit into TimSat's Mold, nor do all "liberals".

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 11:21 AM
I promised chiefster that I wouldn't resort to namecalling and the such with him. I think if everyone ignored him he would just go away. Lord, I want to tear him up though.


well you could skip the name calling and maybe try debating a specific issue??? i dont resort to name calling, but i can understand if you get in a debate that is unwinnable for you, why you would have to resort to that.

so just curious, why should someone that works at mcdonalds make more money than they already do? it is a job that doesnt require a ton of skill...but for some reason, everyone is entitled to at least some certain amount of money no matter what job it is...sweeping the floor or whatever. interesting. but then what happens to the person who has a much harder job but is only making 3 dollars above min wage. Well, now their $10/hour is no longer $10/hr and they are getting the raw end of the deal because someone in the government thought that mcdonalds employees were not making enough.

free market is the best market. not some sort of socialist, we work, government distributes OUR money, system.

prough91
12-12-2007, 02:07 PM
well you could skip the name calling and maybe try debating a specific issue??? i dont resort to name calling, but i can understand if you get in a debate that is unwinnable for you, why you would have to resort to that.

so just curious, why should someone that works at mcdonalds make more money than they already do? it is a job that doesnt require a ton of skill...but for some reason, everyone is entitled to at least some certain amount of money no matter what job it is...sweeping the floor or whatever. interesting. but then what happens to the person who has a much harder job but is only making 3 dollars above min wage. Well, now their $10/hour is no longer $10/hr and they are getting the raw end of the deal because someone in the government thought that mcdonalds employees were not making enough.

free market is the best market. not some sort of socialist, we work, government distributes OUR money, system.

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument. -William G. McAdoo

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 06:38 PM
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument. -William G. McAdoo


wow, that is deep. you won that debate with william G McAdoo's quote.

I agree with the quote, just don't agree with the ignorant party.

you libs look down on people whos parents worked hard to give them a better chance at life.

So I should feel guilty that my dad worked his arze off and gave me more security than the ordinary person and then taught me the same discipline that he had so I can continue to provide for myself while your dad was out every night smoking doobies and having sex with every girl he could get on and paying child support out his arze.. HAHAHAHAHAH I LOVE liberals mindsets.

so i need to "struggle" before i can have a voice!

timsatt1
12-12-2007, 06:42 PM
i apoligize for never having premaritial sex, never doing an illegal drug in my life, not having to buy several packs of marlboro light because i have never smoked a cig in my life. For all this, i apoligize. I should have gone through the same "struggles" that many people CHOSE to go through so i could know what it is like to struggle so i can rely on other people to get me out of my mess that I personally got myself into.

This is the mindset that our nation and economy need so we can grow and succeed to be the best we can be!! we need more victimization!!! we are all victims, save us big government, for we cannot save ourselves.

i understand about being mad that we pay into the system such as social security (another social program the dems created) and are now realizing that a government cannot handle other people's money and will always bankrupt itself.

so whoever voted for the social security way back then, now we are inheriting the rewards of it...paying into it knowing we will never get anything back. I love it. We need more liberal democrats in government positions!!!

Chiefster
12-12-2007, 06:50 PM
Prough...well said. Not all "conservatives" fit into TimSat's Mold, nor do all "liberals".

I am pretty jaded towards both sides of the isle.

rbedgood
12-12-2007, 08:58 PM
I am pretty jaded towards both sides of the isle.

I wasn't referring to the jacka$$e$ in Washington DC, I was referring to the members of the community and society and their "political slants"

IlovetheChiefs
12-12-2007, 09:23 PM
I think compared to politicians I LOVE the Raiders (actually, politicians ARE raiders themselves! Politics is really just a license to steal. Oh so that means politicians are also Steelers!. Uh oh and the Presidents are commanders in CHIEF! NO!!!! We can't associate the Chiefs with them!)

ONE football team the politicians are certainly NOT is The Saints! And I wish we could make them all get out and be the PACKERS! Let's get their private JETS ready for em'.

prough91
12-12-2007, 11:09 PM
wow, that is deep. you won that debate with william G McAdoo's quote.

I agree with the quote, just don't agree with the ignorant party.

you libs look down on people whos parents worked hard to give them a better chance at life.

Again, I'm not a lib.

So I should feel guilty that my dad worked his arze off and gave me more security than the ordinary person and then taught me the same discipline that he had so I can continue to provide for myself while your dad was out every night smoking doobies and having sex with every girl he could get on and paying child support out his arze.. HAHAHAHAHAH I LOVE liberals mindsets.

My dad never smoked pot and him and my mother have been married 40 years. It don't take a liberal to think your a dumba$$. You lie, contradict yourself and have a holier than thou attitude that is barely palpable. Also, if you bad mouth my dad again me and you are going to have a real problem.

so i need to "struggle" before i can have a voice!

Again ignorance is a lack of knowledge, and you have that in aces.

stlchief
12-13-2007, 12:58 AM
timsatt - take a deep breath.

No one on this site has said "give poor people more", but you keep yelling against it.

No one on this site has said "they are entitled to it", but you keep yelling they aren't.

No one on this site has said "raise taxes", but you keep yelling we shouldn't.

What everyone is trying to tell you in different ways, but you are not getting, is that you are wrong in saying being poor is a choice and people have it coming, so why should we help them.

Your parents worked hard and put you on a great path. This is OUTSTANDING. You obviously attribute a lot of credit to them for that.

I salute your parents and I think you are probably a good person with good intentions in life, in part because of their influence.

The question you need to ask, before you start yelling about liberals, is if you would be the same person you are today -- drug free / pre-marital sex free / hard working / volunteering your time to make life better for others -- would you really be the same?

The answer is no. You keep giving your parents the credit, so you have to admit they had a hand in it.

Now that you admit, where you end up has a lot to do with where you start (and there are exceptions, but the rule is the apple doesn't fall far from the tree economically or morally), look at a child growing up in poverty, bad schools, smoking, sex, drugs and look at the influences they have.

It should make it a little bit harder to say "well they chose it". If they "chose", they obviously were influenced to choose it.

You are making both liberals & conservatives mad when you rant and rave about poor people.

How to fix it? We all differ -- this is where liberals / conservatives / socialists really start to go their separate ways. Empathy and understanding, this appears to be where the rest of the site is uniting against you.

If you want to start a political debate, talk about welfare programs / school vouchers / universal head-start programs / etc., leave the "poor people bring it on themselves" out of it and you might get some intelligent discussion.

hermhater
12-13-2007, 01:02 AM
Rep dude, rep.

prough91
12-13-2007, 01:20 AM
Awesome post. Rep added.

chief31
12-13-2007, 05:59 AM
wow, that is deep. you won that debate with william G McAdoo's quote.

I agree with the quote, just don't agree with the ignorant party.

you libs look down on people whos parents worked hard to give them a better chance at life.

So I should feel guilty that my dad worked his arze off and gave me more security than the ordinary person and then taught me the same discipline that he had so I can continue to provide for myself while your dad was out every night smoking doobies and having sex with every girl he could get on and paying child support out his arze.. HAHAHAHAHAH I LOVE liberals mindsets.

so i need to "struggle" before i can have a voice!

Nobody said that it is bad to have been given a "leg-up" from your parents. But the fact that you have never had to endure the lifestyles that many people are forced into, means that you are, literally, not figuratively, ignorant to those peoples plights. And for you to run your mouth about it is what gives people the impression that you are a scumbag.

You sit in the position that your parents helped put you in and criticize those whos parents didn't, or couldn't do the same for them.

Then, you act like you are some kind of victim of the "liberal" abuse.