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texaschief
03-12-2007, 06:53 PM
it is officially over. the chiefs opportunity to get to the superbowl with the "current roster and current offense" is over. The window has shut, that ship has sailed, and in our ear.... yes that fat lady is busting our ear drum. so, where do we go from here? First, we find a new GM. All those cliche's apply to him as well. he's had his shot. 15 or so years and we have an average team to show for it.

step 2: aquire draft picks. obvious names first.

Trent Green to Oakland. While i'd hate to see Trent turn into Gannon, even if he does, its only for a couple years and it keeps Oakland from doing anything smart with a draft pick. in return we recieve Warren Sapp and the 192nd pick in the 7th round. we all saw sapp on national television putting that bug in herm's ear, don't act like it didn't happen.
Greg Wesley to Jacksonville. they need safety help in the worst way. kinda like us a couple years ago. in return we recieve pick 179 in the 6th round. we have page to back him up.
Dante Hall to Tennessee. The Titans are shopping Pac Man and will be in need of a return specialist if he goes. in return we recieve pick 173 in the 6th round. we have webb to replace hall.
Sammy Knight to Houston. Another team who needs a safety badly. while i think Pollard is still a little raw, he will be a superstar at the safety position. in return we recieve pick 104 in the 4th round.now the fun starts:

Jared Allen to Atlanta. Atlanta is looking to replace Kerney at DE. Allen is looking for a way out of K.C. and i think we should oblige. in return we recieve pick 10 in the first round and pick 105 in the 4th. while i understand this is an unpopular trade, it could net big gains while cutting out a cancer that disgruntled players usually become in the clubhouse.
Larry Johnson to Tampa Bay. Before you start with the hate mail, hear me out. Larry is not happy in K.C. he never has been. it's too republican, he didn't get enough playing time, he's not payed right, etc... as soon as we pay this guy, it's a HUGE hit to the salary cap and he has all the signs of the next T.O. Rumors say vets want him gone and that he's not a good teammate. the image that sticks in my head is the game winning 50 something yard kick to win a game last season. while the whole team was jumping on the sideline, L.J. had his hands behind his back without a smile. Cadillac williams hasn't done the job in tampa. sending him to the NFC means we may or may not see him ever again after the 2008 season. in return we recieve pick #4 in the 1st round and pick #35 in the second.these trades give us 15 picks in the 2007 draft.

round/pick#/point value
1st/ 4/ 1800-recieved from tampa
1st/ 10/ 1300-recieved from Atlanta
1st/ 23/ 760
2nd/ 35/ 550-recieved from tampa
2nd/ 54/ 360
3rd/ 66/ 260-recieved from detroit
3rd/ 84/ 170-trade to detroit
4th/ 103/ 88-trade to detroit
4th/ 106/ 84
5th/ 151/ 31.4
6th/ 173/ 22.2-recieved from tennessee
6th/ 179/ 19.8-recieved from jacksonville
6th/ 180/ 19.4-recieved from dallas
6th/ 181/ 19
7th/ 192/ 14.6-recieved from oakland
7th/ 212/ 6.6now, what to do with those picks?

Gaines Adams, DE, CLEMSON- fast player to grow up with Hali on the end. Obvious replacement for Allen. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/gainesadams.html
Amobi Okoye, DT, LOUISVILLE- aside from the name which Chiefs' fans should love, he is YOUNG (19) with incredible upside and room to grow and learn. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/amobiokoye.html
Michael Bush, RB, Louisville- would do well in replacing L.J. almost identacle body types and running styles with a much lower number in the age category. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/michaelbush.html
Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC- Obviously we need a WR. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/dwaynejarrett.html
Justin Blalock, OG, TEXAS- Start grooming replacements... although we're a little late, we need to get on this. i trust terry and mcintosh enough for one season that we can hold off on an OT this year, but if shields retires... what then? Bober? what if wiegman retires? bober has to be the center. this is good security if he's still on the board. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/justinblalock.html
Demarcus "Tank" Tyler, DT, NCST - anyone with the name "TANK" should be a good pick for a DT. could either step in next to Sapp or behind Okoye. either way, he's in the rotation. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/demarcustyler.html
Mason Crosby, K, COLORADO- we need a kicker, he's the best. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/k/masoncrosby.html
Aundrae Allison, WR, E. CAROLINA- potential to be a late round steal, has the ability to be the next Randy Moss. 4.35 40 i think is what i heard on this guy for a 6 footer. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/aundraeallison.html
Doug Datish, C, OHIO STATE- I'm not thrilled with Bober as the future at center. i'm alo unsure about Nieswander. nothing against either, i just don't know much about them. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/dougdatish.html
Anthony Arline, CB, Baylor- Marcus Maxey is the only CB on the roster behind Law and Surtain. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/anthonyarline.html
C.J. Wilson, CB, BAYLOR- Arline and Wilson have played 4 years together and if the two were inserted into the defense together would be great as a tandem for the next decade. plus these 2 are the best CB's still on the board in the 6th round. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/cjwilson.html
Kasey Studdard, OG, TEXAS- people are always talking about how good it is for offensive lines to stay together, play games together, etc... bringing studdard along with blalock could be huge. this may in the future give us flexibility to trade Waters for a high draft pick if we choose. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/kaseystuddard.html
Mike Otto, OT, PURDUE- big size, could be a find. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/mikeotto.html
Ramonce Taylor, RB/KR, FREE AGENT- very fast, great vision. when he played for TEXAS in the National Championship game, he simulated Reggie Bush in practice. this guy is an athlete and a late round gem.now that you have my little "mock draft" you can see our new roster.

POSITION-STARTER, BACKUP, 3RD

OFFENSE:
QB-CROYLE, HUARD, PRINTERS
RB-BUSH, BENNETT
FB-WILSON, GRIGSBY
TE-GONZALES, DUNN, WILSON
LT-MCINTOSH, OTTO
LG-WATERS, STUDDARD
C-BOBER, DATISH
RG-BLALOCK, STALLINGS
RT-TERRY, WELBOURN
WR- WEBB, JARRETT, KENNISON, PARKER, GARDNER, ALLISON
K-CROSBY
P-COLQUITT
KR-WEBB, TAYLOR
DEFENSE:
MLB-HARRIS, GRIGSBY
LOLB-JOHNSON, FOX
ROLB-EDWARDS, GRIFFIN
LCB-LAW, MAXEY, ARLINE
RCB-SURTAIN, WILSON
SS-POLLARD, FA
FS-PAGE, FA
RDE-ADAMS, BELL
LDE-HALI, HICKS
DT-SAPP, WILKERSON
DT-OKOYE, TYLERwhile i realize there are a lot of Rookies and 2nd year players starting on this list, i think it's the best for our team. our schedule like i said will be brutal. aside from the home/home series with the division opponents, we go on the road to play both superbowl teams, the texans, lions and the 10 win jets. we stay home to play teams like the jags, titans, packers, vikings and bengals. all of those teams are playoff contenders. plus, like i said home and away with the chargers, broncos and raiders. i'm sorry, this team as it stands isn't a playoff team. not with the titans, jets, jags, bengals, and steelers out there to go along with the ravens, broncos, chargers and oh yeah, the super bowl champ colts. so, why not build this team correctly and go through a couple rough years with croyle to reap the rewards of a juggernaught team for the next decade?

i know its all about ticket sales, but i'd like to see this team play. i'd buy tickets to watch the young beasts on defense. can you imagine how good this team will be when they get experience? plus, in next year's draft, we could draft a couple shut down CB's and the defensive rebuild is complete.

now, let the hate mail flow.

Coach
03-12-2007, 11:23 PM
I'm giving you some serious green rep just for the amount of time and thought you must have spent putting that post together. I like the thought process, but I think it's a little unrealistic to think that we could get all of those draft picks.

Plus you've traded away almost every good player from last year's roster. Allen, hall, lj, green, etc.

I agree that we have an uphill battle in front of us though. I like the draft of Jarrett out of USC. I think there is a real shot we get him in the 1st rd. I need to spend some more time reviewing the details of the other players in your post. Great post!!!!!!!
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Chiefster
03-12-2007, 11:40 PM
it is officially over. the chiefs opportunity to get to the superbowl with the "current roster and current offense" is over. The window has shut, that ship has sailed, and in our ear.... yes that fat lady is busting our ear drum. so, where do we go from here? First, we find a new GM. All those cliche's apply to him as well. he's had his shot. 15 or so years and we have an average team to show for it...

On this one thing I am in complete agreement with you sir! REP!

texaschief
03-13-2007, 02:12 AM
really? hall and green were good? you have to give up value to get value. i know it won't happen, i'm not dillusional. i just hear all this complaining about how we aren't a top tier team, and if you look at those teams, you'll see that they've paid thier dues.... it our turn.....but only if we REALLY want to win.

wolfpack
03-13-2007, 02:26 AM
this must have taken sometime to think up. it is a great job!
but no team in their right mind,even old man al,wouldnt give up a 1st and a 3rd for a slightly above average allen. other than that great job.

Chiefster
03-13-2007, 02:48 AM
really? hall and green were good? you have to give up value to get value. i know it won't happen, i'm not dillusional. i just hear all this complaining about how we aren't a top tier team, and if you look at those teams, you'll see that they've paid thier dues.... it our turn.....but only if we REALLY want to win.


Well but being fans with no ability to affect team changes it falls well within our rights to complain; especially about the last 15 years. :D

Chiefster
03-13-2007, 02:51 AM
this must have taken sometime to think up. it is a great job!
but no team in their right mind,even old man al,wouldnt give up a 1st and a 3rd for a slightly above average allen. other than that great job.


Yep! Of course I've been wrong before.

texaschief
03-13-2007, 03:51 AM
its actually a first and fourth. carl put a high tender on allen which does mean if somebody takes him, we get their 1st and 3rd, but in this scenario, to complete the trade, we settle for a 4th instead of a 3rd.

wolfpack
03-13-2007, 11:14 AM
to many 6th and 7th round picks,thise are long shots to make the team. i think we gave up a 4th for hermie,not sure.

Chiefster
03-13-2007, 11:29 AM
to many 6th and 7th round picks,thise are long shots to make the team. i think we gave up a 4th for hermie,not sure.


Yup, Hemie cost us a forth round pick; if that tells ya anything.:character00282:

chief31
03-13-2007, 01:22 PM
TexasChief, I love the plan. I don't, actually think some of the draft picks are realistic, to fall to the spots they are drafted here. But, I think it looks like a great idea. I like most of the names you have being drafted, too. You have my vote for the next Chiefs GM.

Chiefster
03-13-2007, 08:32 PM
TexasChief, I love the plan. I don't, actually think some of the draft picks are realistic, to fall to the spots they are drafted here. But, I think it looks like a great idea. I like most of the names you have being drafted, too. You have my vote for the next Chiefs GM.


...Couldn't possibly do worse.

texaschief
03-13-2008, 04:20 AM
this is fun. lol

look, a year ago, i called the horrible season we were about to have. lol

....oh, and "Tank Tyler." lol

hermhater
03-13-2008, 04:49 AM
this is fun. lol

look, a year ago, i called the horrible season we were about to have. lol

....oh, and "Tank Tyler." lol


Glad to know exactly what to expect next this year based upon last years assessment.

If the Chiefs don't do exactly what you say then we are screwed?


Where's that post where chief31 said Herm sucks (or not) at drafting O linemen?

texaschief
03-13-2008, 04:52 AM
Glad to know exactly what to expect next this year based upon last years assessment.

If the Chiefs don't do exactly what you say then we are screwed?


Where's that post where chief31 said Herm sucks (or not) at drafting O linemen?

I'll wait till after this year's draft, where it's a priority for him to do so, to bring that post back up.

hermhater
03-13-2008, 04:55 AM
I'll wait till after this year's draft, where it's a priority for him to do so, to bring that post back up.


I guess the 3rd year of rebuilding (even if it's not called that until the second year) is the important one?

texaschief
03-13-2008, 05:21 AM
I guess the 3rd year of rebuilding (even if it's not called that until the second year) is the important one?

No. Actually, what ever year you "rebuild" the defense is the "important year." The sad thing is that Herm hasn't concentrated on rebuilding the defense. If he had, we wouldn't have as many holes as we still do on that side of the ball. It just seems that his defensive players are the ones that are showing up. He's actually drafted more offensive players than he has defensive players.

hermhater
03-13-2008, 05:59 AM
No. Actually, what ever year you "rebuild" the defense is the "important year." The sad thing is that Herm hasn't concentrated on rebuilding the defense. If he had, we wouldn't have as many holes as we still do on that side of the ball. It just seems that his defensive players are the ones that are showing up. He's actually drafted more offensive players than he has defensive players.

Bring the stats biatch...

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Chiefster
03-13-2008, 02:58 PM
I didn't read all that then, and now that it's almost a year later...I still ain't readin it. :11:

anaeelbackwards
03-13-2008, 03:02 PM
Bring the stats biatch...

:bananen_smilies046:

are those fightin' words? :sword:

hermhater
03-14-2008, 05:53 AM
are those fightin' words? :sword:

MU lost and I had to talk to folks that rooted for other teams.

KU has my vote now.

chief31
03-15-2008, 03:48 AM
this is fun. lol

look, a year ago, i called the horrible season we were about to have. lol

....oh, and "Tank Tyler." lol

Please stop patting yourself on the back for"calling" the bad season. Everybody "called" that one.

Some soothsaying there. :D

Chiefster
03-15-2008, 09:34 PM
HG Wells would have been proud.

hermhater
03-16-2008, 03:44 AM
HG Wells would have been proud.

He still is.

He built that time machine thingy and is watching us right now!

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