Will D.T. make it this year?

[hermhater]

17 Finalists for Hall of Fame election
January 15, 2008



Two first-year eligible players, wide receiver Cris Carter and cornerback Darrell Green are among the 17 finalists who will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall’s Board of Selectors meets in Phoenix, Arizona on Saturday, February 2, 2008.

Joining the two first-year eligible players, are 12 other modern-era players, one contributor and two players nominated earlier by the Hall of Fame’s Senior Committee.


The contributor finalist is former National Football League Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. The Senior Committee nominees, announced in August 2007, are Chicago Cardinals back Marshall Goldberg and Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Emmitt Thomas. The other modern-era player finalists include defensive ends Fred Dean and Richard Dent; linebackers Randy Gradishar, Derrick Thomas and Andre Tippett; guards Russ Grimm, Bob Kuechenberg and Randall McDaniel; punter Ray Guy; wide receivers Art Monk and Andre Reed; and tackle Gary Zimmerman.

[Canada]

I hope he does, but I think the HOF is a joke.

[AkChief49]

It would cool to see both D&E in there this year!!

[m0ef0e]

It would cool to see both D&E in there this year!!

Agreed. That would be verrry sweet.

[Canada]

VOTE D&E T 2008 HOF!!!

[hermhater]

VOTE D&E T 2008 HOF!!!

Tell that to Peter King.

[Canada]

Like I said....HOF is a joke. I don't think either of these two guys put enough cocaine in their noses to get in anyways.

[m0ef0e]

Like I said....HOF is a joke. I don't think either of these two guys put enough cocaine in their noses to get in anyways.

BA-ZING! :yahoo: :D

[prough91]

I don't know if D.T. will ever get in for two reasons. The Chiefs dismal playoff record while he was here and Kansas City being a small market. I did a lot of research, which I really hate to do, but came up with some surprising stats. Right now, D.T. is ranked 11th on the all-time sack list, which, I figure, is probably the most looked at statistic for a defensive player that isn't in the secondary. Of the ten people ahead of him, one is still playing (Strahan), one is ineligible, (B. Smith), one is a finalist this year (Dent), and two are in the Hall of Fame (R. White, L. Taylor). I'm going to put each players stats below, with the exception of Smith, Strahan, Taylor and White. I'm including Dent's because he hasn't been enshrined yet.

Kevin Greene- 160sacks, 5 int, 26 FF, 22 FR, 3 Safeties, 24 points


Chris Doleman- 150.5 sacks, 8 int, 43 FF, 24 FR, 2 Safeties, 22 points

John Randle- 137.5 sacks, 1 int, 27 FF, 11 FR, 0 Safeties, 6 points

Richard Dent- 137.5 Sacks, 8 int, * FF, 13 FR, 1 Safety, 14 points

Leslie O'Neal- 132.5 Sacks, 3 int, * FF, 16 FR, 0 Safeties, 12 points

Ricky Jackson- 128 Sacks, 0 int, 41 FF, 29 FR, 1 Safety, 2 points

Derrick Thomas- 126.5 sacks, 1 int, 45 FF, 19 FR, 3 Safeties, 30 points
*- Could not find stats for O'Neal and Dent's FF

How could you pick, if you were picking by stats and not by heart? Compare, say, Chris Doleman's stats to D.T.'s. Doleman isn't even a finalist this year. So, I don't know if he'll ever get in. I just wanted to throw this out there to you all.

[Chiefster]

I hope he does, but I think the HOF is a joke.


Same here, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Canada]

I don't know if D.T. will ever get in for two reasons. The Chiefs dismal playoff record while he was here and Kansas City being a small market. I did a lot of research, which I really hate to do, but came up with some surprising stats. Right now, D.T. is ranked 11th on the all-time sack list, which, I figure, is probably the most looked at statistic for a defensive player that isn't in the secondary. Of the ten people ahead of him, one is still playing (Strahan), one is ineligible, (B. Smith), one is a finalist this year (Dent), and two are in the Hall of Fame (R. White, L. Taylor). I'm going to put each players stats below, with the exception of Smith, Strahan, Taylor and White. I'm including Dent's because he hasn't been enshrined yet.

Kevin Greene- 160sacks, 5 int, 26 FF, 22 FR, 3 Safeties, 24 points


Chris Doleman- 150.5 sacks, 8 int, 43 FF, 24 FR, 2 Safeties, 22 points


John Randle- 137.5 sacks, 1 int, 27 FF, 11 FR, 0 Safeties, 6 points


Richard Dent- 137.5 Sacks, 8 int, * FF, 13 FR, 1 Safety, 14 points


Leslie O'Neal- 132.5 Sacks, 3 int, * FF, 16 FR, 0 Safeties, 12 points


Ricky Jackson- 128 Sacks, 0 int, 41 FF, 29 FR, 1 Safety, 2 points


Derrick Thomas- 126.5 sacks, 1 int, 45 FF, 19 FR, 3 Safeties, 30 points
*- Could not find stats for O'Neal and Dent's FF


How could you pick, if you were picking by stats and not by heart? Compare, say, Chris Doleman's stats to D.T.'s. Doleman isn't even a finalist this year. So, I don't know if he'll ever get in. I just wanted to throw this out there to you all.




Keep im mind that DT put up these numbers in a shortened career. Can u find how many years each guy played??

[Guru]

If Gretz is doing the presentation again he won't.

[Canada]

I also would like to see DT and Lawrence Taylors numbers side by side. compare him to an existing Hall of Famer and see how he measures up.

[Chiefster]

If Gretz is doing the presentation again he won't.


Gretz is an idiot.

[hermhater]

Remember DT was competing with Neil Smith at the time.

On the same team.

When you have those 2 complementing each other the stats go out the door, in my opinion.

Could that be hurting DT chances?

What about Smith?

Plus with the Chiefs record during those years, look at the caliber of the opponents and what those guys were doing to good (even great teams).

Good stats prough, I hate research too!

[Guru]

Remember DT was competing with Neil Smith at the time.

On the same team.

When you have those 2 complementing each other the stats go out the door, in my opinion.

Could that be hurting DT chances?

What about Smith?

Plus with the Chiefs record during those years, look at the caliber of the opponents and what those guys were doing to good (even great teams).

Good stats prough, I hate research too!

I sure loved what he did to Steve Young in 97,.:yahoo:

[Canada]

Derrick Thomas vs Lawrence Taylor

Games Started 157 -180
Sacks 126.5 - 132.5
INT 1 - 9
FR 19 - 11
TD 4 - 0
Safties 3 - 0

One is a first ballot Hall of famer and DT is still not in. It's a joke

[hermhater]

I sure loved what he did to Steve Young in 97,.:yahoo:

What did he do?

Put him out of the league?

[hermhater]

Derrick Thomas vs Lawrence Taylor

Games Started 157 -180
Sacks 126.5 - 132.5
INT 1 - 9
FR 19 - 11
TD 4 - 0
Safties 3 - 0

One is a first ballot Hall of famer and DT is still not in. It's a joke

It's called being in a small football market!

And that IS a joke!

[Canada]

It's called being in a small football market!

And that IS a joke!

That should not affect the vote ( I know it does ) That is why I think the HOF is a joke. It's a popularity contest.

[Guru]

"DT was not an all around LB." says the idiots at the HOF.

[prough91]

Keep im mind that DT put up these numbers in a shortened career. Can u find how many years each guy played??

Anywhere from 13 to 15 years, but you know they don't look at anything but the stats they have when they retire or, in D.T.'s case, pass away.

[prough91]

I also would like to see DT and Lawrence Taylors numbers side by side. compare him to an existing Hall of Famer and see how he measures up.

Derrick Thomas- 126.5 sacks, 1 int, 45 FF, 19 FR, 3 Safeties, 30 points

Lawrence Taylor- 132.5 sacks, 9 int, 33 FF, 11 FR, 0 Safeties, 12 points

Except for sacks and int, D.T.'s stats are much better. However, he didn't play in New York or win a Super Bowl.

[hermhater]

Anywhere from 13 to 15 years, but you know they don't look at anything but the stats they have when they retire or, in D.T.'s case, pass away.

R.I.P.

It pisses me off that stats are not looked at contextually, though.

Different decades, different schemes and N.Y. players still get the grade.

If Herm had started his career (playing, and coaching) here in KC he would be a nobody!

[Canada]

Anywhere from 13 to 15 years, but you know they don't look at anything but the stats they have when they retire or, in D.T.'s case, pass away.

I am just saying that if you average out the stats with the games played, DT is the king. Is it really impressive that LT got 6 more sacks than DT or is it odd that it took him 23 more games to do it??

[hermhater]

Derrick Thomas- 126.5 sacks, 1 int, 45 FF, 19 FR, 3 Safeties, 30 points

Lawrence Taylor- 132.5 sacks, 9 int, 33 FF, 11 FR, 0 Safeties, 12 points

Except for sacks and int, D.T.'s stats are much better. However, he didn't play in New York or win a Super Bowl.

Exactly!

[Guru]

Derrick Thomas- 126.5 sacks, 1 int, 45 FF, 19 FR, 3 Safeties, 30 points

Lawrence Taylor- 132.5 sacks, 9 int, 33 FF, 11 FR, 0 Safeties, 12 points

Except for sacks and int, D.T.'s stats are much better. However, he didn't play in New York or win a Super Bowl.
They always dog him for his pass coverage. The only stat he lacks in.

[Canada]

They always dog him for his pass coverage. The only stat he lacks in.

He took care of business at the other end of the pass!!

[Guru]

He took care of business at the other end of the pass!!

Oh I agree. Just saying what the idiots like to point out to drag him down.

[hermhater]

It is hard to intercept a pass when you are laying on top of a QB while the ball is still in his hands!

[Canada]

It is hard to intercept a pass when you are laying on top of a QB while the ball is still in his hands!

heh....he did it once!! :lol:

[hermhater]

heh....he did it once!! :lol:

Wow!

I want to see video of that!

:yahoo:

[prough91]

Oh I agree. Just saying what the idiots like to point out to drag him down.

I also think it would have helped him if he had huge games in the playoffs, even if the Chiefs lost. No one ever did anything really outstanding for the Chiefs in the playoffs, hence, their losing them all.

Derrick Thomas playoff stats- 37 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 4 FF

If you would extend those stats over 16 games it would be- 59 tackles, 12 sacks, 6 FF. That's good, but about average for D.T.

[hermhater]

I also think it would have helped him if he had huge games in the playoffs, even if the Chiefs lost. No one ever did anything really outstanding for the Chiefs in the playoffs, hence, their losing them all.

Derrick Thomas playoff stats- 37 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 4 FF

If you would extend those stats over 16 games it would be- 59 tackles, 12 sacks, 6 FF. That's good, but about average for D.T.

Ever notice how the "run it up the middle coaches" lose all the playoff games?

(texaschief?)

[Chiefster]

I sure loved what he did to Steve Young in 97,.:yahoo:

Who was it that he sacked seven times in a Sea Hags game???? David Craig I believe.

[Canada]

Who was it that he sacked seven times in a Sea Hags game???? David Craig I believe.

He coulda had 10 in a Faders game (had 6 in the 3rd Q) and Gunther call him off. Refer to the history of the Chief DVD

[prough91]

After canada started asking about how long all the other players had played, I got to thinking. I went back and averaged all their stats on a per season basis, and D.T. looks much more impressive when that is done.

Kevin Greene- 10.6 sacks, .33 int, 1.7 FF, 1.5 FR, 0.2 Safeties, 1.6 points

Chris Doleman- 10.75 sacks, 0.57 int, 3.07 FF, 1.7 FR, 0.14 Safeties, 1.57 points

John Randle- 10.5 sacks, 0.08 int, 2.23 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.46 points

Richard Dent- 9.82 Sacks, 0.57 int, * FF, 0.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 1 point

Lawrence Taylor- 10.19 sacks, 0.69 int, 2.54 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Leslie O'Neal- 10.19 Sacks, 0.23 int, * FF, 1.23 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Ricky Jackson- 8.53 Sacks, 0.53 int, 2.73 FF, 1.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 0.13 points

Derrick Thomas- 11.5 sacks, 0.09 int, 4.09 FF, 1.72 FR, 0.27 Safeties, 2.73 points

Averaged out, D.T. is obviously the best player on the list.

[hermhater]

After canada started asking about how long all the other players had played, I got to thinking. I went back and averaged all their stats on a per season basis, and D.T. looks much more impressive when that is done.

Kevin Greene- 10.6 sacks, .33 int, 1.7 FF, 1.5 FR, 0.2 Safeties, 1.6 points

Chris Doleman- 10.75 sacks, 0.57 int, 3.07 FF, 1.7 FR, 0.14 Safeties, 1.57 points

John Randle- 10.5 sacks, 0.08 int, 2.23 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.46 points

Richard Dent- 9.82 Sacks, 0.57 int, * FF, 0.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 1 point

Lawrence Taylor- 10.19 sacks, 0.69 int, 2.54 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Leslie O'Neal- 10.19 Sacks, 0.23 int, * FF, 1.23 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Ricky Jackson- 8.53 Sacks, 0.53 int, 2.73 FF, 1.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 0.13 points

Derrick Thomas- 11.5 sacks, 0.09 int, 4.09 FF, 1.72 FR, 0.27 Safeties, 2.73 points

Averaged out, D.T. is obviously the best player on the list.

Nice research man!

D.T. is the man!

:sign0098:

[Canada]

After canada started asking about how long all the other players had played, I got to thinking. I went back and averaged all their stats on a per season basis, and D.T. looks much more impressive when that is done.

Kevin Greene- 10.6 sacks, .33 int, 1.7 FF, 1.5 FR, 0.2 Safeties, 1.6 points

Chris Doleman- 10.75 sacks, 0.57 int, 3.07 FF, 1.7 FR, 0.14 Safeties, 1.57 points

John Randle- 10.5 sacks, 0.08 int, 2.23 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.46 points

Richard Dent- 9.82 Sacks, 0.57 int, * FF, 0.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 1 point

Lawrence Taylor- 10.19 sacks, 0.69 int, 2.54 FF, 0.85 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Leslie O'Neal- 10.19 Sacks, 0.23 int, * FF, 1.23 FR, 0 Safeties, 0.92 points

Ricky Jackson- 8.53 Sacks, 0.53 int, 2.73 FF, 1.93 FR, 0.07 Safety, 0.13 points

Derrick Thomas- 11.5 sacks, 0.09 int, 4.09 FF, 1.72 FR, 0.27 Safeties, 2.73 points

Averaged out, D.T. is obviously the best player on the list.

That is the way i see it. If DT had played a full career then he would have destroyed all these players. And it's not like his 10 year career was a fluke, he WOULD HAVE continued his dominance.

[hermhater]

That is the way i see it. If DT had played a full career then he would have destroyed all these players. And it's not like his 10 year career was a fluke, he WOULD HAVE continued his dominance.

Yep!

He was the real deal.

QB's were scared, you could see it in their eyes.

[Canada]

Yep!

He was the real deal.

QB's were scared, you could see it in their eyes.

I got the book "Forever a Chief" about Derrick and it has quotes from opposing QBs and coaches. They talk about how they came up with game plans for DT and still couldn't stop the guy. Qbs flat out said that they were scared of him. It is an awesome book if anyone gets a chance to grab it. I got it on EBay. There are lots of great pics and quotes and stats. :bananen_smilies046:

[hermhater]

I got the book "Forever a Chief" about Derrick and it has quotes from opposing QBs and coaches. They talk about how they came up with game plans for DT and still couldn't stop the guy. Qbs flat out said that they were scared of him. It is an awesome book if anyone gets a chance to grab it. I got it on EBay. There are lots of great pics and quotes and stats. :bananen_smilies046:


Yeah, right...

Canada knows how to use Ebay!

:bananen_smilies046:

[Canada]

Yeah, right...

Canada knows how to use Ebay!

:bananen_smilies046:

My wife bought it for me!!

[prough91]

I got the book "Forever a Chief" about Derrick and it has quotes from opposing QBs and coaches. They talk about how they came up with game plans for DT and still couldn't stop the guy. Qbs flat out said that they were scared of him. It is an awesome book if anyone gets a chance to grab it. I got it on EBay. There are lots of great pics and quotes and stats. :bananen_smilies046:

If you're where you can read it, would you look up the FF stat? I got differing stats on it from different sites.

[Canada]

If you're where you can read it, would you look up the FF stat? I got differing stats on it from different sites.

I am at work right now, but I will look tomorrow.

[rbedgood]

What did he do?

Put him out of the league?

No some jerk in Arizona did that, but I think DT was responsible for one of Young's earlier concussions.

[prough91]

No some jerk in Arizona did that, but I think DT was responsible for one of Young's earlier concussions.

How many did he end up having?

[Canada]

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/72391439.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABBC28A0F53C68A9E9A A40A659CEC4C8CB6

i don't know how to put up pics.

[rbedgood]

How many did he end up having?

Reports say seven, but probably many more that weren't recorded.

[hermhater]

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/72391439.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABBC28A0F53C68A9E9A A40A659CEC4C8CB6

i don't know how to put up pics.

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/113.jpg

That picture is awesome!

[rbedgood]

Don't make me start...

[Canada]

Don't make me start...

I only found it cause someone was askin fot it, but there is a better one. I just can't find it.

[hermhater]

Don't make me start...

Sorry guy.

It is part of history.

[rbedgood]

There are parts of history worth remembering...
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/114.jpg

...and there are those that are better forgotten...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/115.jpg
Taking the details that shortened a HOF career and remembering those is unnecessary.

[hermhater]

There are parts of history worth remembering...
http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/114.jpg

...and there are those that are better forgotten...

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/115.jpg
Taking the details that shortened a HOF career and remembering those is unnecessary.

I like Steve Young, he is a class act.

Sorry he had to leave because of injuries, as I am with any player.

Except that ******* from Denver (what's his name?).

[rbedgood]

I like Steve Young, he is a class act.

Sorry he had to leave because of injuries, as I am with any player.

Except that ******* from Denver (what's his name?).

Are you referring to Mushmouth Sharpe, Bill "juiced up" Romanowski, Terrell "migraine" Davis, or Rod "my new hip" Smith?

[hermhater]

Are you referring to Mushmouth Sharpe, Bill "juiced up" Romanowski, Terrell "migraine" Davis, or Rod "my new hip" Smith?

******* Romanowski!

That's him!

He is possibly the worst person to ever step foot on a NFL field!

[rbedgood]

******* Romanowski!

That's him!

He is possibly the worst person to ever step foot on a NFL field!


Ummmm...NO

That would be

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/122.jpg & http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/123.jpg

[AkChief49]

Ummmm...NO

That would be

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/122.jpg & http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/01/123.jpg
amen to that!!!

[hermhater]

Yeah those guys are worse, but I still hate Romanowski...

[rbedgood]

Oh I agree on Romanowski, but I'm not sure he even makes the top 5 worst guys to ever step on the NFL Field...from the absolute worst here's what comes to mind for me

1) OJ Simpson--only worse than Carruth because he walked
2) Rae Carruth---at least justice is being served
3) Lawrence Phillips---he was more violent off the field than on it
4) Jack Tatum---nickname "Assasin", cheap *******
5) Kevin Gogan---cheap shot, after cheap shot in the trenches...(and remember I am a 49er fan)

[chief31]

Oh I agree on Romanowski, but I'm not sure he even makes the top 5 worst guys to ever step on the NFL Field...from the absolute worst here's what comes to mind for me

1) OJ Simpson--only worse than Carruth because he walked
2) Rae Carruth---at least justice is being served
3) Lawrence Phillips---he was more violent off the field than on it
4) Jack Tatum---nickname "Assasin", cheap *******
5) Kevin Gogan---cheap shot, after cheap shot in the trenches...(and remember I am a 49er fan)

Myself, I would feel the need to include Mike Shanahan to that list.

[m0ef0e]

Myself, I would feel the need to include Mike Shanahan to that list.

Also Vick, Pacman Jones, Haynesworth, and Merriman among many others. Sports are great but some of these athletes are among the worst humanity has to offer.

[rbedgood]

Also Vick, Pacman Jones, Haynesworth, and Merriman among many others. Sports are great but some of these athletes are among the worst humanity has to offer.

In retrospect M0e has passed wisdom once again. Pacman certainly belongs on the list, and I'm guessing Ray Lewis could make the list also. Expanding to a top 10

1) OJ Simpson---still the biggest creep
2) Rae Carruth----still #2
3) Pacman Jones---hey a current guy cracked the top 3
4) Lawrence Phillips---he still did throw that chick down a flight of stairs (or pulled her down by her hair)
5) Albert Haynesworth---his infamous stomping act wasn't just dirty, it was not really football related.
6) Jack Tatum---his cheap shots did result in a dude getting paralyzed
7) Kevin Gogag---sorry I saw the guy too much, can't drop him any lower
8) Ray Lewis---yeah he wasn't the killer, but he didn't want to say who was...
9) Michael Vick---what he's done is reprehensible, but I can't put him higher than the people who maimed humans (on or off the field)
10) Bill Romanowski---he beats out Merriman with a huge spit wad to JJ Stokes face, either that or the fist to Williams face.

[rbedgood]

Myself, I would feel the need to include Mike Shanahan to that list.

Shanahan was a QB in high school and college until a cheap shot on the practice field ended his career (ruptured kidney) and nearly killed him. Ironic ehhh?

However as he never actually played in the NFL, he doesn't make a list of worst humans to play in the NFL...he definitely would though for worst humans involved in the NFL.

[m0ef0e]

In retrospect M0e has passed wisdom once again. Pacman certainly belongs on the list, and I'm guessing Ray Lewis could make the list also. Expanding to a top 10

1) OJ Simpson---still the biggest creep
2) Rae Carruth----still #2
3) Pacman Jones---hey a current guy cracked the top 3
4) Lawrence Phillips---he still did throw that chick down a flight of stairs (or pulled her down by her hair)
5) Albert Haynesworth---his infamous stomping act wasn't just dirty, it was not really football related.
6) Jack Tatum---his cheap shots did result in a dude getting paralyzed
7) Kevin Gogag---sorry I saw the guy too much, can't drop him any lower
8) Ray Lewis---yeah he wasn't the killer, but he didn't want to say who was...
9) Michael Vick---what he's done is reprehensible, but I can't put him higher than the people who maimed humans (on or off the field)
10) Bill Romanowski---he beats out Merriman with a huge spit wad to JJ Stokes face, either that or the fist to Williams face.

Pretty much on the money. :sign0098:

The only reason I said Merriman is because I personally just hate that piece of crap.

[rbedgood]

Pretty much on the money. :sign0098:

The only reason I said Merriman is because I personally just hate that piece of crap.

I understand completely...always felt the same way about Aeneas Williams (the last Steve Young hit)

[hermhater]

In retrospect M0e has passed wisdom once again. Pacman certainly belongs on the list, and I'm guessing Ray Lewis could make the list also. Expanding to a top 10

1) OJ Simpson---still the biggest creep
2) Rae Carruth----still #2
3) Pacman Jones---hey a current guy cracked the top 3
4) Lawrence Phillips---he still did throw that chick down a flight of stairs (or pulled her down by her hair)
5) Albert Haynesworth---his infamous stomping act wasn't just dirty, it was not really football related.
6) Jack Tatum---his cheap shots did result in a dude getting paralyzed
7) Kevin Gogag---sorry I saw the guy too much, can't drop him any lower
8) Ray Lewis---yeah he wasn't the killer, but he didn't want to say who was...
9) Michael Vick---what he's done is reprehensible, but I can't put him higher than the people who maimed humans (on or off the field)
10) Bill Romanowski---he beats out Merriman with a huge spit wad to JJ Stokes face, either that or the fist to Williams face.

Yeah Romanowski made the top ten!

:mob:

[Canada]

How has a thread that started about Derrick Thomas turned into this??

[hermhater]

How has a thread that started about Derrick Thomas turned into this??

Because you weren't here to keep us in line!

Welcome back!

:bananen_smilies046: