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hermhater
01-22-2008, 12:44 AM
The Moment That Carried This Day


As we honor the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Martin+Luther+King+Jr.?tid=informline) today, it bears remembering how the holiday came to be.
The legislation proposing creation of a federal holiday was not at all assured in the fall of 1983. The Democratic-controlled House had passed its bill in August with bipartisan support, but Democrats in the GOP-controlled Senate faced a fight despite support from some prominent Republicans. President Ronald Reagan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Ronald+Reagan?tid=informline) was against this type of memorial. Many Republicans said they opposed it for economic reasons, arguing that our nation couldn't afford another federal holiday.

At the time, I was an intern for Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Edward+M.+Kennedy?tid=informline) (D-Mass.) and was following the bill carefully. It's fair to say I was rather devoted to the cause. I remember the October day that someone in the office mentioned that the senator's speechwriter, Bob Shrum (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Bob+Shrum?tid=informline), had crafted an incredible statement in support of the holiday. I begged for permission to go to the galleries above the Senate floor to watch Kennedy deliver the speech.

The galleries and the Senate were nearly empty when Kennedy walked onto the floor. I saw only three members -- Kennedy, the senator who was presiding, and Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), who was speaking against the holiday.

After several minutes, Helms said that he thought it "ironic" that "black citizens" were the ones who most needed jobs and yet were demanding a holiday. The few of us in the gallery gasped. Helms said repeatedly that the legislation was being railroaded through the Senate without proper hearings. Having heard enough, Kennedy rose to ask Helms to yield. Helms refused. Kennedy sat down and waited, reviewing his remarks. A few minutes later, he rose again, but Helms still held the floor. Finally, Helms said he would conclude -- and then he uttered the words that turned the tide of the whole debate.

Helms had been speaking about the negative economic effects of a federal holiday, but he announced that he also opposed the holiday because King had used "nonviolence as a provocative act to disturb the peace of the state and to trigger, in many cases, overreaction by authorities" and that King supported "action-oriented Marxism." Then he yielded the floor.

Kennedy rose, his face reddening with anger. He put his prepared remarks aside and began to explain that Helms's statement was exactly why our nation needed this holiday. The words seemed to come from deep within him. Kennedy said Helms's comments took him back to an uglier time in America, a time that King courageously fought to correct, as Kennedy's own brothers had.

Helms, who had been leaving the chamber, returned. "Will the senator please yield the floor?" he shouted.
"No, I will not yield the floor," Kennedy replied.
As Kennedy spoke, other senators appeared, trying to see what the commotion was about. The doors to the press gallery flew open, and reporters rushed forward and peered over the railing with notepads in hand. It was like a scene from a movie.

I was moved as Kennedy spoke about how it was critical to fight intolerance in our land, about how every generation needs to build bridges of understanding. He wanted the holiday to remind Americans that our nation must ensure equal opportunity for all and said that King had died fighting for that inalienable right.

It was his finest hour, and Helms's worst.

The next day, The Post ran a front-page story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/articles/helms_stalls_kings_day.html) about Helms's remarks. Helms defended his statement and continued questioning King's patriotism. The debate drew attention. As the vote loomed later that month, some senators switched sides out of fear of being associated with Helms's views.

The legislation passed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/articles/solemn_senate_votes_for_national_holiday.html).

Right after the Senate vote, which I watched from the packed gallery, I rushed in excitement to the room that had been set aside for a reception. Not seeing anyone there, I turned around. I remember hearing a thunderous sound coming toward me. A crowd turned the corner, and there were Kennedy, Coretta Scott King (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Coretta+Scott+King?tid=informline), other famous civil rights leaders and so many other supporters filling the long hall. As they walked, arm in arm, they began singing "We Shall Overcome." It was a glorious moment.

President Reagan signed the bill, but the fight over the holiday continued. Some states initially refused to honor it, and it was years before the last holdouts -- New Hampshire (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/New+Hampshire?tid=informline) and Arizona (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Arizona?tid=informline) -- acknowledged the day.

Perhaps all of us can pause, on this day free of work, and think not of politics or acrimony but of the three surviving King children. This is a day for Americans to think of those who seek freedom from want and injustice, especially the children in our nation and around the world who need others to stand up on their behalf. Dr. King's dream will be alive and well if each of us does what we can for the most vulnerable in our midst.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/20/AR2008012002267.html

beefcake
01-22-2008, 12:58 AM
i am all for martin luther king jr celebration and the celebration of the end of slavery.however, i cant stand seeing hillary clinton use martin luther king jr's name over and over again.i would much rather his name come out of obama's mouth than hillary....hillary is the fakest politician ever.

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 01:08 AM
i am all for martin luther king jr celebration and the celebration of the end of slavery.however, i cant stand seeing hillary clinton use martin luther king jr's name over and over again.i would much rather his name come out of obama's mouth than hillary....hillary is the fakest politician ever.

It should be illegal for her to run; she's already had two terms.

:lol:

hermhater
01-22-2008, 01:09 AM
i am all for martin luther king jr celebration and the celebration of the end of slavery.however, i cant stand seeing hillary clinton use martin luther king jr's name over and over again.i would much rather his name come out of obama's mouth than hillary....hillary is the fakest politician ever.

timsatt, I don't think I read anything about Hillary in that article. Way to ruin something great again.

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:12 AM
timsatt, I don't think I read anything about Hillary in that article. Way to ruin something great again.

sorry....i guess i should mention..i watched the entire democratic debate tonight. BarracK obama tore her up...it was the first real democratic debate so far, and the mud was slinging and obama said all the right things to make Hillary look stupid.but i swear she must have said martin luther king jrs name 50 times.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 01:17 AM
Regardless of the debate, MLK jr made a difference for minorities, and the underprivileged and you are making a mockery of it. You are no better than Hillary.

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 01:19 AM
sorry....i guess i should mention..i watched the entire democratic debate tonight. BarracK obama tore her up...it was the first real democratic debate so far, and the mud was slinging and obama said all the right things to make Hillary look stupid.but i swear she must have said martin luther king jrs name 50 times.

Someone is not holding up to their end of things.

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:23 AM
Regardless of the debate, MLK jr made a difference for minorities, and the underprivileged and you are making a mockery of it. You are no better than Hillary.

opinions are great things. i love to hear peoples opinions!! keep them coming!!!!

hermhater
01-22-2008, 01:30 AM
opinions are great things. i love to hear peoples opinions!! keep them coming!!!!

OK how about this one...

You're an ***!

(I'll take the infraction for attacking a member, I can't stand this dude...)

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:32 AM
it is a mystery how you got this angry after anything said in this thread. i am sure they will not reprimand you, as i take no offense anyways cause i dont have any problem with you.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 01:38 AM
it is a mystery how you got this angry after anything said in this thread. i am sure they will not reprimand you, as i take no offense anyways cause i dont have any problem with you.

Seeing as how I'm an *** too...

I don't have any problem with you either, as I'm fine with anyone having a different opinion from me.

I just think it is reprehensible that you would take something like MLK Day and use it for political purposes.

Like I said earlier, you are no better in that respect than Hillary.

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 01:38 AM
it is a mystery how you got this angry after anything said in this thread. i am sure they will not reprimand you, as i take no offense anyways cause i dont have any problem with you.

That's right Tim, I will not dish out any disciplinary action to hermhater for attacking someone who is not a true member but has been banned several times and uses a proxy server to hide like a coward.

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:47 AM
that article bashes republicans for allegedly not wanting to make it a national holiday. it was already political in nature.you could have got an article on Martin Luther King Jr. that wasnt political.

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 01:53 AM
Ok his name is Tim ******; do I need to continue Tim?

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:56 AM
Ok his name is Tim ******; do I need to continue Tim?

that is all any lawyer on anyone's behalf wants to hear. continue please. we shall have some fun buddy!

hermhater
01-22-2008, 01:56 AM
Well now that this thread isn't about MLK anymore I guess I can say I am not republican, nor am I a democrat.

I am for the equal treatment of all humans regardless of their race, sex, or personal beliefs.

It always cracks me up when someone that is getting screwed by the administration falls for their crap and sticks up for them.

I can't quite think of the word...

Oh yeah!

It's called ignorance!

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 01:58 AM
that is all any lawyer on anyone's behalf wants to hear. continue please. we shall have some fun buddy!

Thank you; that's all I needed.


...And your deluding yourself to believe that public information is somehow illegal to share in a public forum.

beefcake
01-22-2008, 01:59 AM
igornance is bliss!ignorance is also the most expensive thing (besides maybe war) there is in our country. I.E. drilling our own oil, wacko environmentalists, manmade global warming

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:09 AM
Let's see who's next...

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:14 AM
Let's see who's next...

That guy kills me. He sent all of us mods a big threatening PM a while back about taking legal action because chief31 posted his personal but PUBLIC information in a public forum, and graciously gave us a deadline to delete it and in return he would leave and never return. We see how that worked out.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:16 AM
That guy kills me. He sent all of us mods a big threatening PM a while back about taking legal action because chief31 posted his personal but PUBLIC information in a public forum, and graciously gave us a deadline to delete it and in return he would leave and never return. We see how that worked out.

I don't understand why he posts those political opinions so nastily when he wants to convert others to his opinions.

He makes himself, and the party he is representing look so bad.

I guess maturity counts for something?

hermhateer
01-22-2008, 02:21 AM
Let's see who's next...

.............................Im with stupid

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:22 AM
.............................Im with stupid


Hi Tim.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:30 AM
Hi Tim.

I think his obsession about this site is because I argue with him.

Perhaps we could make a forum where I could argue with him and call him names, that isn't public!

:yahoo: :lol:

chief31
01-22-2008, 02:30 AM
YouTube - TIMMAH!! - south park

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:32 AM
I think his obsession about this site is because I argue with him.

Perhaps we could make a forum where I could argue with him and call him names, that isn't public!

:yahoo: :lol:

HA!

I wouldn't give Tim the satisfaction of his own personal forum.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:34 AM
YouTube - TIMMAH!! - south park (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbjBDW1o6Zw&feature=related)

Timmy!!!

:lol:

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:35 AM
HA!

I wouldn't give Tim the satisfaction of his own personal forum.

But he has such poignant opinions...

:lol:

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:36 AM
YouTube - TIMMAH!! - south park (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbjBDW1o6Zw&feature=related)

Wuzzuuuuuuuup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hermhateer
01-22-2008, 02:37 AM
........................Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:40 AM
this is true. i just cannot get enough of hermhater. i need a good person to go head to head with. if he would just add me to his instant message list then i could rest in peace!

You mean do as you said you would and leave the Crowd forever?

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:43 AM
But I don't want him gone forever. He is the perfect example of what is wrong with the country.

I just want him to stop being an ***.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:43 AM
this is true. i just cannot get enough of hermhater. i need a good person to go head to head with. if he would just add me to his instant message list then i could rest in peace!

Instant message list?

I don't have one.

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:45 AM
But I don't want him gone forever. He is the perfect example of what is wrong with the country.

I just want him to stop being an ***.

I think you're in the minority here bud.

hermhateer
01-22-2008, 02:48 AM
........................Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 02:49 AM
I don't want him gone forever, just about 6-7 years...that should give him time to graduate Jr High and High School and GROW UP...

hermhateer
01-22-2008, 02:50 AM
........................Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:51 AM
I don't want him gone forever, just about 6-7 years...that should give him time to graduate Jr High and High School and GROW UP...

Doubt that much time will help...

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 02:52 AM
Doubt that much time will help...

Yeah, but kinda like Juvie...when they hit a certain age they get a 2nd chance...

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 02:53 AM
before i go to bed...you HAVE to watch this video!! i cant believe they did this! very dangerous in IMO
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1735970

Good night Tim.


Oh BTW, you'll need another user name if and when you, again, go back on your word to never return.

onemorevidfor2night
01-22-2008, 02:56 AM
........................Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:57 AM
Yeah, but kinda like Juvie...when they hit a certain age they get a 2nd chance...

He's pretty sure he is in the right, and knows how to get away with breaking the rules.

Sounds like a pretty good politician to me.

Perhaps someday timsatt will be President.

Scary.

hermhater
01-22-2008, 02:58 AM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1777868
you HAVE to see this!! so funny! at least i think it is

No more hits for you!

:mob:

Chiefster
01-22-2008, 03:01 AM
He's pretty sure he is in the right, and knows how to get away with breaking the rules.

Sounds like a pretty good politician to me.

Perhaps someday timsatt will be President.

Scary.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 03:10 AM
Okay, this guy wins the most annoying loser award...

hermhater
01-22-2008, 03:12 AM
Okay, this guy wins the most annoying loser award...

Who do we vote for?

There are too many losers to keep track of?

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 03:20 AM
Who do we vote for?

There are too many losers to keep track of?

How about we vote for "The loser formerly known as TimSatt1"...

That should cover them all...:lol:

hermhater
01-22-2008, 03:32 AM
How about we vote for "The loser formerly known as TimSatt1"...

That should cover them all...:lol:

Jerry Fletcher says vote for hermhater!

:lol:

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 04:10 AM
Jerry Fletcher says vote for hermhater!

:lol:

Jerry Fletcher wouldn't vote for himself...I'm confused.

Casino was good to me tonight...I'm out.

Coach
01-22-2008, 10:49 AM
I don't want him gone forever, just about 6-7 years...that should give him time to graduate Jr High and High School and GROW UP...
Couldn't agree more.

rbedgood
01-22-2008, 11:07 AM
Couldn't agree more.


In the meantime I want to play some poker with Dr Evil over here....

$90 Milllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllion dollars

hermhater
01-22-2008, 12:22 PM
In the meantime I want to play some poker with Dr Evil over here....

$90 Milllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllion dollars

If the Pats win the SB he is gonna be the first ever Arrowcash billlllllllionaire on the site!

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