Chiefs Defensive Roster Projections

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By Nick Athan (javascript:location.href='http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22' + escape('Nick Athan') + '%22&sssiteid=115';)
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Posted Feb 14, 2008



Between now and the end of February the Chiefs will revamp the entire roster. Though no official announcements have been made, it’s a safe bet some players have already been told they won’t return in 2008. Today we look at the defense.

Benny Sapp (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980160) (CB) – Toward the end of the season his play diminished. After a mid-year meltdown, when Sapp had to be restrained by several of his teammates, the writing was on the wall. Sapp won’t be in Kansas City next year.

Patrick Surtain (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980166) (CB) – The Chiefs would really like to keep Surtain and line him up as the true nickel back against slot receivers, but if that’s going to happen must restructure his contract. Currently his cap number is close to $9 million and that’s too much for a non-starter.

Greg Wesley (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980187) (S) – I think he’s a lock to be released or traded. Last year Wesley’s agent successfully negotiated a trade with Denver that would have netted the Chiefs a fourth-round draft pick, but Kansas City didn’t want to trade him in the division. He’ll get his wish this year and find a new home.

Rashad Barksdale (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3408245) (CB) – Strictly a special teams guy last year, but Ray Farmer has high hopes for Barksdale. With the Chiefs expected to pass on Benny Sapp, Barksdale could reap the benefits with a shot at one of the last roster spots.

Jarrad Page (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980146) (S) – On the verge of becoming a superstar. Last year he took some steps backward as a starter – the learning curve increased. But Page has all the instincts to be to KC’s defense what Bob Sanders (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2979919) is for the Colts.

Jon McGraw (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3325233) (S) – Last year he battled injuries and didn’t play up to his standards, but either way he’s a backup. He’ll still likely get another season in Kansas City.

Bernard Pollard (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980148) (S) – Pollard has the talent to be a great safety, but he didn’t make the most of his opportunities as a starter in 2007. He needs to go back to the basics and must learn to trust his teammates, knowing where they are on every single play. This is a big year for Pollard.

Napoleon Harris (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2981092) (LB) – Harris didn’t do what the coaches wanted last season, and that really hurt the defense. The Chiefs might be better served moving Donnie Edwards (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3037544) to the middle and finding an outside linebacker in the draft.

Michael Pimentel (LB) – Unlikely he makes the roster.

Derrick Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980133) (LB) – This is the money year for Johnson. He appeared to wear down toward the end of the year, but that can be said about the entire defense. If he wants a long-term contract, he’ll need to play like a Pro Bowler in 2008.

Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980078) (DE) – From the way it sounds the Chiefs won’t put the exclusive franchise tag on Allen, so that means he can negotiate a contract with anyone. This is not good news if you’re a Chiefs fan. Kansas City will have the chance to match any offer but if they don’t they’ll get a first-round draft pick in 2008 and 2009.

Alfonso Boone (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3056010) (DT) – His play in 2007 was surprise, so he could be the perfect stopgap for the Chiefs if they draft USC’s Sedrick Ellis (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3286694) or LSU’s Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3014749). Boone’s play could also give the Chiefs one more year to develop Tank Tyler.

Turk McBride (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3325230) (DT) – A solid offseason will do him wonders. He’ll be working out with Jared Allen, which can’t hurt. I think he finally saw the light at season’s end, and has the potential to be a solid backup at defensive end.

Tamba Hali (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980128) (DE) – A great player who needs to take it to the next level. Hali missed out on four or five sacks last year because he didn’t wrap up the quarterback. He needs to be quicker with his first step and more aggressive.

James Reed (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980155) (DT) – Chiefs won’t need him this year.

Ron Edwards (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980119) (DT) – See above.

Tank Tyler (DT) – He has the tools to be a solid nose tackle. Now he has to grow from his performance late in the season and take the next step.

Jimmy Wilkerson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980189) (DE) – He’s probably tired of playing under one-year contracts. The Chiefs need to sign him and give him a real shot to be contributor in 2008. He has some game, but is probably a long shot to be retained.

Keyaron Fox (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980121) (LB) – Finally put it together against the New York Jets last season, but won’t get a fifth year in Kansas City.

Nate Harris (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3325196) (LB) – He might peak as a special teams player, since he struggled on defense. Either way the Chiefs will keep him around in 2008.

Kendrell Bell (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980080) (LB) – Injured when he came to the Chiefs and will leave the same way this offseason.

Tyrone Brackenridge (CB) – The best un-drafted free agent player to sign with the Chiefs last year will be KC’s top nickel back in 2008 if Surtain isn’t around. He could eventually become a starter.

Pat Thomas (LB) – The Chiefs like him, but so far he hasn’t done much outside special teams. He’ll get another chance this year.

Johnny Baldwin (LB) – Not likely to get a shot.

[texaschief]

I think the Jared Allen decision is going to be interesting. While he turned the corner this season, i wouldn't mind trying Wilkerson in his stead and recieving an additional 1st rounder this and next year as we try to rebuild the offense and secondary.

[texaschief]

while i posted on another thread that they were cutting Ty Law, i was hoping for confirmation here...lol.

guess he forgot about Ty.

[hermhater]

I think the Jared Allen decision is going to be interesting. While he turned the corner this season, i wouldn't mind trying Wilkerson in his stead and recieving an additional 1st rounder this and next year as we try to rebuild the offense and secondary.

Because we've seen how well Herm can draft?

You've got to be kidding.

[texaschief]

you're right, maybe we should go get Dickie to come back and draft for us...LMFAO

[OTR Chiefs fan]

They cannot let Allen get away! That would hurt us immensely. You don't get players like Allen very often and they're difficult to replace. Plus, he can help Tank and Turk progress. They need to focus on CB and depth on the defense. The defense wore down by the end of the season. It would be great if they can keep Surtain and Brackenridge showed a lot of promise. If they can find a good LB in the draft that would be great. Even if they do they should probably keep Harris for one more year. Those are my thoughts, cheers mates! :bananen_smilies046:

[tornadospotter]

They cannot let Allen get away! That would hurt us immensely. You don't get players like Allen very often and they're difficult to replace. Plus, he can help Tank and Turk progress. They need to focus on CB and depth on the defense. The defense wore down by the end of the season. It would be great if they can keep Surtain and Brackenridge showed a lot of promise. If they can find a good LB in the draft that would be great. Even if they do they should probably keep Harris for one more year. Those are my thoughts, cheers mates! :bananen_smilies046:
Jared Allen is worth more than 2 1st round picks, to the team and the fan base!! It would be foolish to let him go! We need to give him a fair contract, leaning to the make him happy side of fair! JMO

[Chiefster]

Nick the erroneous one Athan.

[OTR Chiefs fan]

Jared Allen is worth more than 2 1st round picks, to the team and the fan base!! It would be foolish to let him go! We need to give him a fair contract, leaning to the make him happy side of fair! JMO

I agree! The chiefs have cap room, do the deal! :mob: (chief fans if Allen gets away)

[chief31]

Letting Jared Allen go would be for the purpose of creating a team full of "Herm-guys" instead of a team of Chiefs.

Jared Allen is easily the most valuable defensive player that the Chiefs have, and he is a "Chief". I say that he is the most valuable player on the team.

Also, let's not try to shade this as any kind of youth movement. Allen is 25 years old, due to become 26, this April.

If the Chiefs do allow Allen to leave, then it will only convince me that they intend to aim for the cellar for a couple more years.

Jared has everything that the Chiefs are telling us that they are trying to build a team around, and is one of,if not the, best at his position in the NFL.

Hell, maybe we can find a way to deal Derrick Johnson too. If we are going to build a team, let's try keeping the solid young foundation that is in place, and building a team.

[chief31]

you're right, maybe we should go get Dickie to come back and draft for us...LMFAO


To be fair, we have two impact players on defense, and DV drafted both of them.

[Canada]

I think the Jared Allen decision is going to be interesting. While he turned the corner this season, i wouldn't mind trying Wilkerson in his stead and recieving an additional 1st rounder this and next year as we try to rebuild the offense and secondary.

So you want to spend three years rebuilding the offense at the cost of the defense. Or are you just hoping that we can get a roster made up entirely of rookies. You want to trade Jared Allen, and then hopefully get a Jared Allen calibur player? Is that right? :bananen_smilies046:

[Canada]

you're right, maybe we should go get Dickie to come back and draft for us...LMFAO

4 win seasons by DV - 0
4 wins seasons by Herm - 1

[hermhater]

4 win seasons by DV - 0
4 wins seasons by Herm - 1

Herm was 4-12 in his last season at NY.

Dick had a 4-12 season in St. Louis so the score is actually:

4 win seasons by DV -1
4 win seasons by Herm -2

The big difference I would say is DV won a Super Bowl the next year after his 12 loss season.

If Herm wins us a SB next year I will CONSIDER changing my username!

:11:

[texaschief]

The fact remains that Allen DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE. If he were happy about being in KC, I'd be all for keepin him around. But what happens if he becomes another volitile personality on this team? That would be even more destructive to the overall future of the team than letting him go for two first round picks...

The same goes for Larry Johnson. He's never wanted to be here either. If it were possible to deal him for a pair of first round picks, i'd be all for that too. Kolby has shown he can run the ball. Plus, if we were to gain 3 first round picks this season, we could be in position to draft another RB, an OL and a CB all in the first round....then we have 3 first rounders again next year.

Y'all don't think that the drafting of those 6 guys MIGHT help ease the loss of the 2 we lost?

[hermhater]

The fact remains that Allen DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE. If he were happy about being in KC, I'd be all for keepin him around. But what happens if he becomes another volitile personality on this team? That would be even more destructive to the overall future of the team than letting him go for two first round picks...

The same goes for Larry Johnson. He's never wanted to be here either. If it were possible to deal him for a pair of first round picks, i'd be all for that too. Kolby has shown he can run the ball. Plus, if we were to gain 3 first round picks this season, we could be in position to draft another RB, an OL and a CB all in the first round....then we have 3 first rounders again next year.

Y'all don't think that the drafting of those 6 guys MIGHT help ease the loss of the 2 we lost?

Dude...

Seriously, dude?

Top caliber players want to perform wherever they are at.

LJ got as fed up with the O line last year as the rest of us, and while I don't think he "gave up", there was less of a passion, and I don't blame him.

JA will perform regardless of what team he is on. He doesn't have a volatile personality and won't disrupt the team.

Once again I refer to Herm's inability to draft.

Oh yeah, Carl can't draft worth a crap either!

[chief31]

The fact remains that Allen DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE. If he were happy about being in KC, I'd be all for keepin him around. But what happens if he becomes another volitile personality on this team? That would be even more destructive to the overall future of the team than letting him go for two first round picks...

The same goes for Larry Johnson. He's never wanted to be here either. If it were possible to deal him for a pair of first round picks, i'd be all for that too. Kolby has shown he can run the ball. Plus, if we were to gain 3 first round picks this season, we could be in position to draft another RB, an OL and a CB all in the first round....then we have 3 first rounders again next year.

Y'all don't think that the drafting of those 6 guys MIGHT help ease the loss of the 2 we lost?

There is a very remote possibilty that we would find any players the caliber of J.A. with all six of those picks.

But, more importantly, what gives you the idea that Jared doesn't want to be here? The only thing that I have heard to that effect is that he has been upset that the Chiefs refuse to even make him an offer. That was the case last offseason, and has been the case so far this season.

He doesn't want to be here IF the team doesn't want to keep him here.

But IF the Chiefs were to start acting like they have some interest in giving him a long-term deal, then he has said that he loves it here, and that he wants to be with the Chiefs.

[hermhater]

There is a very remote possibilty that we would find any players the caliber of J.A. with all six of those picks.

But, more importantly, what gives you the idea that Jared doesn't want to be here? The only thing that I have heard to that effect is that he has been upset that the Chiefs refuse to even make him an offer. That was the case last offseason, and has been the case so far this season.

He doesn't want to be here IF the team doesn't want to keep him here.

But IF the Chiefs were to start acting like they have some interest in giving him a long-term deal, then he has said that he loves it here, and that he wants to be with the Chiefs.

Thanks for coming along and bringing some sanity!

:sign0098:

[chief31]

Thanks for coming along and bringing some sanity!

:sign0098:

Draft picks are a gamble, rather it be first round picks, or seventh.

I wouldn't want to give up a young DE that gets to the QB, causes fumbles, causes errant passes, stuffs the run, and knocks passes off target as much as J.A. does, for most teams' entire draft.

Is anyone convinced that there is a guy in this draft that is capable of ever being what Jared is?

[hermhater]

Draft picks are a gamble, rather it be first round picks, or seventh.

I wouldn't want to give up a young DE that gets to the QB, causes fumbles, causes errant passes, stuffs the run, and knocks passes off target as much as J.A. does, for most teams' entire draft.

Is anyone convinced that there is a guy in this draft that is capable of ever being what Jared is?

Nope!

texaschief talks about wanting a home grown team, yet wants to get rid of the best draft pick we have made since DT or Neal Smith!

(And perhaps Medlock! :lol:)

[chief31]

Nope!

texaschief talks about wanting a home grown team, yet wants to get rid of the best draft pick we have made since DT or Neal Smith!

(And perhaps Medlock! :lol:)

I hope we aren't scared away from the idea of drafting Ks. We still need one.

[hermhater]

I hope we aren't scared away from the idea of drafting Ks. We still need one.

I've asked this question many times and still have not gotten an answer. I don't know if it's just a stupid question, or if no one has responded because it gets buried.

Here goes again.

Are there any teams that have 2 kickers? I wouldn't mind keeping Carney for FG's, since he is so accurate and getting another kicker with a powerful leg for kick offs.

Is there not enough room on a team for 2 kickers?

[chief31]

I've asked this question many times and still have not gotten an answer. I don't know if it's just a stupid question, or if no one has responded because it gets buried.

Here goes again.

Are there any teams that have 2 kickers? I wouldn't mind keeping Carney for FG's, since he is so accurate and getting another kicker with a powerful leg for kick offs.

Is there not enough room on a team for 2 kickers?

It has been done, but pretty rarely. Noone really wants to forfeit another positional player to have a second kicker on the team.

I still haven't figured out why there aren't any kickers that can punt too.

[hermhater]

It has been done, but pretty rarely. Noone really wants to forfeit another positional player to have a second kicker on the team.

I still haven't figured out why there aren't any kickers that can punt too.

Having Colquitt as a kicker would be awesome!

Regarding your statement about not wanting to give up another positional player for another kicker, what if Herm is the head coach and wants to win games 3-0?

Shouldn't that team then have a good kick off man, as well as a guy who can actually put the ball between the uprights?

[chief31]

Having Colquitt as a kicker would be awesome!

Regarding your statement about not wanting to give up another positional player for another kicker, what if Herm is the head coach and wants to win games 3-0?

Shouldn't that team then have a good kick off man, as well as a guy who can actually put the ball between the uprights?

I think that what Herm needs is the best offensive line that has ever existed. That way, when he tries his "run-run-pass-punt" offenes, he will rarely make it past the "run" portion of the gameplan.

I know that that would make Herm happy. Then he could overpay a bunch of RBs and watch the O-linemen leave him without a running game when their contracts were up.:D

[hermhater]

I think that what Herm needs is the best offensive line that has ever existed. That way, when he tries his "run-run-pass-punt" offenes, he will rarely make it past the "run" portion of the gameplan.

I know that that would make Herm happy. Then he could overpay a bunch of RBs and watch the O-linemen leave him without a running game when their contracts were up.:D

Didn't he already have that when he got here?

[AkChief49]

Oh yeah, Carl can't draft worth a crap either!CP did draft LJ....not trying to defend him, just saying..:D

[chief31]

Didn't he already have that when he got here?


Actually, Roaf never took the field once Edwards arrived, and Shields only played the one year. So, not really.

He would have had a shot at a Super Bowl if Roaf had decided to tough it out for that one more year.

[texaschief]

There is a very remote possibilty that we would find any players the caliber of J.A. with all six of those picks.

But, more importantly, what gives you the idea that Jared doesn't want to be here? The only thing that I have heard to that effect is that he has been upset that the Chiefs refuse to even make him an offer. That was the case last offseason, and has been the case so far this season.

He doesn't want to be here IF the team doesn't want to keep him here.

But IF the Chiefs were to start acting like they have some interest in giving him a long-term deal, then he has said that he loves it here, and that he wants to be with the Chiefs.

y'all are acting like it was a "no-brainer" to sign JA to a long term deal last season. Hell, it's still a high risk to do it NOW. How many times does the guy have to violate the substance abuse policy for that to make sense to y'all? The next time he's caught doing that same crap, he's gone for a WHOLE YEAR!!....not just 4 games. Every single one you would be jumping all over Herm and Carl for signing JA to a long-term 80+million dollar contract last season if the guy messes up again.

There would be *****ing and belly-aching all over this board for their incompetence for signing a "high-risk" player who had violated the the policy a couple times before and now we're stuck with a player who can't play for a whole year.....then, you're hoping he doesn't mess up again while he's at home bored (kinda like the Pacman situation).

While i realize there are differences in the two guys, Allen consistently made the poor decision to drink and drive. What's there to lead the Chiefs to trust and believe that their $80+million dollar investment wouldn't be for nothing?

You say drafting 6 first round players is a gamble? I'd say trusting a guy who can't make good decisions about drinking and driving with $80+million in his pocket is even a larger gamble.

[hermhater]

Actually, Roaf never took the field once Edwards arrived, and Shields only played the one year. So, not really.

He would have had a shot at a Super Bowl if Roaf had decided to tough it out for that one more year.

I think he saw what Herm had in mind and decided to retire while he could still walk.

[hermhater]

y'all are acting like it was a "no-brainer" to sign JA to a long term deal last season. Hell, it's still a high risk to do it NOW. How many times does the guy have to violate the substance abuse policy for that to make sense to y'all? The next time he's caught doing that same crap, he's gone for a WHOLE YEAR!!....not just 4 games. Every single one you would be jumping all over Herm and Carl for signing JA to a long-term 80+million dollar contract last season if the guy messes up again.

There would be *****ing and belly-aching all over this board for their incompetence for signing a "high-risk" player who had violated the the policy a couple times before and now we're stuck with a player who can't play for a whole year.....then, you're hoping he doesn't mess up again while he's at home bored (kinda like the Pacman situation).

While i realize there are differences in the two guys, Allen consistently made the poor decision to drink and drive. What's there to lead the Chiefs to trust and believe that their $80+million dollar investment wouldn't be for nothing?

You say drafting 6 first round players is a gamble? I'd say trusting a guy who can't make good decisions about drinking and driving with $80+million in his pocket is even a larger gamble.

There won't be any more DUI's from JA, I can just about guarantee that.

He has done what PacMan hasn't, and that is completely changing his lifestyle.

He doesn't drink anymore. He doesn't go places where he is likely to get in trouble.

He has realized his value and seems to have grown up tons.

[chief31]

y'all are acting like it was a "no-brainer" to sign JA to a long term deal last season. Hell, it's still a high risk to do it NOW. How many times does the guy have to violate the substance abuse policy for that to make sense to y'all? The next time he's caught doing that same crap, he's gone for a WHOLE YEAR!!....not just 4 games. Every single one you would be jumping all over Herm and Carl for signing JA to a long-term 80+million dollar contract last season if the guy messes up again.

There would be *****ing and belly-aching all over this board for their incompetence for signing a "high-risk" player who had violated the the policy a couple times before and now we're stuck with a player who can't play for a whole year.....then, you're hoping he doesn't mess up again while he's at home bored (kinda like the Pacman situation).

While i realize there are differences in the two guys, Allen consistently made the poor decision to drink and drive. What's there to lead the Chiefs to trust and believe that their $80+million dollar investment wouldn't be for nothing?

You say drafting 6 first round players is a gamble? I'd say trusting a guy who can't make good decisions about drinking and driving with $80+million in his pocket is even a larger gamble.

I can guarantee that I wouldn't have been complaining about Herm, nor C.P, had the Chiefs signed J.A. last offseason, only to have Jared get himself into trouble.

And he wouldn't have costed eighty-million dollars last offseason. He was one of the best kept secrets in the NFL.

By the way, I am pretty sure that doing something twice does not constitute the use of the word consistently.

Also, let's not forget that, in the event that Jared does get a one year suspension, he doesn't get paid, and often a player is forced to return guaranteed money from his pocket, to the team.

Yes, that would still be a tragedy to the team, but the way you were throwing around that $80 million number, it suggests that it would have a much bigger impact.

It is possible, aside from the mentioned results of suspension, to create a contract with protective clauses. Adding in something to the contract that acts as an insurance clause, in the event of the player getting into trouble.

All of this is quite pedestrian, and I am amazed to be pointing this out to you, as I know that you are aware of such things.

The Chiefs would have been wise to sign Jared while the DUI situation was in full effect, instead of after he has had a monster statistical year, (drawing the attention of the entire NFL) and shown that he has moved on from his DUI past. Especially now that is becoming an unrestricted free-agent, because now the price will be somewhere in that $80million neighborhood.

One more thing, six first-round picks would be a whole lot better than the two that Jared would earn us in compensation. Just seems like an unbalanced comparison to me.

[texaschief]

I can guarantee that I wouldn't have been complaining about Herm, nor C.P, had the Chiefs signed J.A. last offseason, only to have Jared get himself into trouble.

And he wouldn't have costed eighty-million dollars last offseason. He was one of the best kept secrets in the NFL.

By the way, I am pretty sure that doing something twice does not constitute the use of the word consistently.

Also, let's not forget that, in the event that Jared does get a one year suspension, he doesn't get paid, and often a player is forced to return guaranteed money from his pocket, to the team.

Yes, that would still be a tragedy to the team, but the way you were throwing around that $80 million number, it suggests that it would have a much bigger impact.

It is possible, aside from the mentioned results of suspension, to create a contract with protective clauses. Adding in something to the contract that acts as an insurance clause, in the event of the player getting into trouble.

All of this is quite pedestrian, and I am amazed to be pointing this out to you, as I know that you are aware of such things.

The Chiefs would have been wise to sign Jared while the DUI situation was in full effect, instead of after he has had a monster statistical year, (drawing the attention of the entire NFL) and shown that he has moved on from his DUI past. Especially now that is becoming an unrestricted free-agent, because now the price will be somewhere in that $80million neighborhood.

One more thing, six first-round picks would be a whole lot better than the two that Jared would earn us in compensation. Just seems like an unbalanced comparison to me.

You're assuming a WHOLE LOT if you think the two times he GOT CAUGHT were the only times he did that.

[hermhater]

You're assuming a WHOLE LOT if you think the two times he GOT CAUGHT were the only times he did that.

It looks to me like those two times he got caught were enough for him to get his act together.

It's hard to get a DUI when you aren't drinking!

:11:

[Canada]

You're assuming a WHOLE LOT if you think the two times he GOT CAUGHT were the only times he did that.

Man, even I would give up beer for the amount of money he is gonna make!! :bananen_smilies046:

[hermhater]

Man, even I would give up beer for the amount of money he is gonna make!! :bananen_smilies046:

And that is saying a lot!

I believe, and agree with you!

Now if I could only find an NFL team that needs a midget QB!

:lol:

[chief31]

You're assuming a WHOLE LOT if you think the two times he GOT CAUGHT were the only times he did that.



I realize that it would be naive to think that he never got away with it, but it has only been proven that he did it twice. Anything else would be the assumption. No?

[texaschief]

it's an assumption either way. but come on.

[chief31]

it's an assumption either way. but come on.

No deal! :lol: J/K.

[rbedgood]

Herm was 4-12 in his last season at NY.

Dick had a 4-12 season in St. Louis so the score is actually:

4 win seasons by DV -1
4 win seasons by Herm -2

The big difference I would say is DV won a Super Bowl the next year after his 12 loss season.

If Herm wins us a SB next year I will CONSIDER changing my username!

:11:

STAT CORRECTION

Dick Vermeil also had a 4 win season with the Eagles (1976) and two 5 win season (1977 & 1997)...

[hermhater]

STAT CORRECTION

Dick Vermeil also had a 4 win season with the Eagles (1976) and two 5 win season (1977 & 1997)...

Thanks!

I need to be more thorough!

[rbedgood]

Thanks!

I need to be more thorough!

If you really want to zing DV he had a 3 win season in 1982 (although he only coached 9 games)

[hermhater]

1982 was a bad year, let's just forget about that year.

[rbedgood]

1982 was a bad year, let's just forget about that year.

What year? Huh?

[Chiefster]

1982 was a bad year, let's just forget about that year.

It was a dark evil age for football.

[hermhater]

What year? Huh?

This is forgetting about it.


It was a dark evil age for football.

This ain't! :sign0104:

[rbedgood]

Forgetting about what? Huh?

[Canada]

1982 you are forgetting about 1982

[hermhater]

1982 you are forgetting about 1982

You're asking for the bird!

:11:

[Canada]

1982

[hermhater]

1982

I warned him!

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2007/10/274.jpg

[Canada]

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/118.jpg

[hermhater]

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/118.jpg

Are you on drugs?

[Canada]

Are you on drugs?

yes.

[hermhater]

yes.

Someone slipped Canada a mickey!

:yahoo:

[anaeelbackwards]

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/118.jpg

some trippy stuff you must be on. hah

[hermhater]

some trippy stuff you must be on. hah

Apparently the dentists in Canada have the good stuff!

:yahoo:

[Canada]

sleepy

[anaeelbackwards]

Apparently the dentists in Canada have the good stuff!

:yahoo:

lets go to canada!

party at canadas!

BYOD--drugs.

[Canada]

i;ll have a party!!

[Chiefster]

Hey, I graduated high school in 1982. :D

[hermhater]

Hey, I graduated high school in 1982. :D

You could have started a few games for the Chiefs if you would have tried out then!

:yahoo:

[Canada]

when?? 1982?

[hermhater]

when?? 1982?

Jerk...

[Canada]

my dad was an ice cream jerk when i was a kid. I think that was around 1982

[Chiefster]

You could have started a few games for the Chiefs if you would have tried out then!

:yahoo:

I was too bussy wasting my time dropping out of college that fall.

[Canada]

ahhhhh.....the autumn of 1982. i'll never forget it!!

[rbedgood]

HH...in 1980s neon just for you!!:D

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/119.jpg

[rbedgood]

Hey, I graduated high school in 1982 B.C. :D


FYP...

[Chiefster]

FYP...


Thank you young one. Now, get off my lawn :sign0104: ! :11: :D

[Chiefster]

HH...in 1980s neon just for you!!:D

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/119.jpg


Geez, reminds me of Air Supply or Barry Manilow.

****spewing in the corner****:scared2:

[texaschief]

i wonder if the Chiefs take a serious run at Lance Briggs since the deal in San Fran seems a little shaky all of a sudden.

[royalswin100games]

i wonder if the Chiefs take a serious run at Lance Briggs since the deal in San Fran seems a little shaky all of a sudden.

That would be nice. It seems all he cares about is money so maybe we can throw enough of it at him.

[hermhater]

I was too bussy wasting my time dropping out of college that fall.

I knew you used to drink the brew!

:yahoo:


ahhhhh.....the autumn of 1982. i'll never forget it!!

Hoser.


HH...in 1980s neon just for you!!:D

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/119.jpg

I'm with Chiefster, I'm gonna be sick...


FYP...

It needed fixin'!


Thank you young one. Now, get off my lawn :sign0104: ! :11: :D

Give him an infraction!


Geez, reminds me of Air Supply or Barry Manilow.

****spewing in the corner****:scared2:

Hurl!


i wonder if the Chiefs take a serious run at Lance Briggs since the deal in San Fran seems a little shaky all of a sudden.

I'm down with that! Get the guy!



That would be nice. It seems all he cares about is money so maybe we can throw enough of it at him.

Sign him Carl!

[texaschief]

The Chiefs are planning to bring in:
CB Jaques Reeves from Dallas.-started 13 games last season.
OLB Demarrio Williams from Atlanta-started 16 games last season.
Jimmy Wilkerson is heading to Tampa for a visit with the Bucs.
Kawika Mitchell signed with the Bills.

[hermhater]

The Chiefs are planning to bring in:
CB Jaques Reeves from Dallas.-started 13 games last season.
OLB Demarrio Williams from Atlanta-started 16 games last season.
Jimmy Wilkerson is heading to Tampa for a visit with the Bucs.
Kawika Mitchell signed with the Bills.

What do you mean bring in?

Talk to, sign, what?

[royalswin100games]

The Chiefs are planning to bring in:
CB Jaques Reeves from Dallas.-started 13 games last season.
OLB Demarrio Williams from Atlanta-started 16 games last season.
Jimmy Wilkerson is heading to Tampa for a visit with the Bucs.
Kawika Mitchell signed with the Bills.

Jacques Reeves would be a good young, talented corner.

[texaschief]

What do you mean bring in?

Talk to, sign, what?

sorry, "talk to" i think. The problem with the assumption here is that as an NFL franchise bringing in people to talk to, if the player is someone you REALLY want to sign, you shouldn't let the player leave the facility or the city for that matter to go and talk to another team....he may never come back.

[texaschief]

Talk is that the Chiefs are interested in New England CB Rudy Gay who is also recieving interest from Atlanta and Seattle while already planning visits to NO and TB.

[rbedgood]

Rudy Gay would be a great pickup...not quite the level of a Samuel or Sheppard, but probably a better salary cap value. He'll command some money, but not in the Samuel range.

[Canada]

Isn't it Randall Gay?

[hermhater]

Isn't it Randall Gay?

Yes.

I didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

Jerk.

:bananen_smilies046:

[Canada]

Yes.

I didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

Jerk.

:bananen_smilies046:

I don't have any feelings anymore!

[hermhater]

I don't have any feelings anymore!

The dentist traded your feelings for fillings?

:sign0153:

[Canada]

The dentist traded your feelings for fillings?

:sign0153:

Still no cavities...32 years cavity free. Beer makes you teeth strong!! :beer:

[hermhater]

Still no cavities...32 years cavity free. Beer makes you teeth strong!! :beer:

Sweet!

I haven't had a cavity since I quit drinking pop!

But I'm still gonna give the credit to the beer!

:bananen_smilies046: