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chief31
02-18-2008, 09:57 AM
GRETZ: Rating Defense-Part 1

Feb 18, 2008, 2:53:55 AM by Bob Gretz (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/bob_gretz/)


The Chiefs defense was improved in the 2007 season.
And, you may not believe how much.

For the fourth straight season we have compiled our post-season ranking of NFL defenses. It’s based on eight important statistical categories, involving everything from touchdowns allowed, sacks and takeaways, to yards given up and specialty units like 3rd down and the red zone.

The Super Bowl runner-up New England Patriots ended up No. 1 in our rankings of NFL defenses for the recently completed regular season.

There was a tie for the second best defense between Green Bay and …
The Chiefs.

That’s right, the Chiefs came out as one of the three best defenses in the NFL for the ‘07 season. Our defensive rankings show that Gunther Cunningham’s unit finished behind only the Patriots and tied with the Packers when it came to defensive production.

Don’t believe it? Here’s how it works.

The defenses are ranked on their regular season play with eight statistical categories that reflect the overall play of a unit: the league rankings for touchdowns allowed, sacks per passing plays, takeaways, total yards allowed, rushing yards allowed, passing yards allowed, third down defense and red zone defense.

Each category has 528 points (1 through 32), for a total of 4,224 points in the rankings. Ties are split by the number of teams with the same total. For instance, two teams tied for 12th in takeaways each get 12.5 points (12 + 13 = 25 ~ 2 = 12.5.) If three teams tied at 20th in third down defense each gets 21 points (20+21+22=63 ~ 3 = 21.)

The lower the point total, the better the defense. In the 2006 season, the top ranked defense was the Baltimore Ravens. In eight categories, they were either first or second in the league in seven, finishing sixth in passing yards allowed. They finished well ahead of New England and Chicago.

This past season, the Patriots finished as the top-ranked defense, finishing in the league’s top 10 in seven of the eight categories. The missed only in red zone defense. Ultimately, their scores of 2-8.5-9.5-4-10-6-4-27 equaled 71 total points in the defensive rankings.

One of the areas where the Chiefs defense excelled was in red zone defense, where they finished second. Even better than that, they were also the NFL’s best third down defense and they were third in sacks and tied for third in touchdowns allowed.

The Chiefs were so good on third down, red zone; sacks and points allowed that they were able to overcome their lack of takeaways and their poor performance in stopping the run.

Overall, the Chiefs scores of 3-3.5-29-13-28-5-1-2 equaled 84.5 points, the same total as the Packers produced.

The importance of defense again comes through in the rankings, as all dozen teams that made the playoffs finished in the top half of the league, including eight of the top 11 spots. Only the Chiefs, Philadelphia and Baltimore crashed the top 10 and did not make the post-season.

The Chiefs defense has crawled out of a huge hole. In Cunningham’s first season back as the defensive coordinator, the Chiefs were the 31st ranked defense in the league. They’ve made progress since, moving up to a tie for 18th in 2005, 16th in the 2006 season and then the jump to a tie for second this past season.
Here are the rankings:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/467F3C72E3A8407DACEE4399406BBA32.GIF?0.11668330988 994902

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/02/18/gretz_rating_defensepart_1/

hermhater
02-18-2008, 11:05 AM
Wow, that actually seems like we did pretty good in redzone defense (3rd) and pretty good against 3rd down's (1st).

Why does it seem like we gave up 3rd and long more than any other team I remember?

As for best inside the redzone I would warrant there were fewer of those this year because we got scored on from 20 yards and out more often than not.

Canada
02-18-2008, 11:35 AM
Wow, that actually seems like we did pretty good in redzone defense (3rd) and pretty good against 3rd down's (1st).

Why does it seem like we gave up 3rd and long more than any other team I remember?

As for best inside the redzone I would warrant there were fewer of those this year because we got scored on from 20 yards and out more often than not.


It seems like we gave up more cause you watch the Chiefs more than any other team.

As far as the Red Zone, our D was kick ***. Held teams to field goal a lot. I don't know where u get the scoring from 20+ yards stat from? Our defense did not give up a lot of points this year. They kept us in most games.

DrunkHillbilly
02-18-2008, 11:52 AM
It seems like we gave up more cause you watch the Chiefs more than any other team.

As far as the Red Zone, our D was kick ***. Held teams to field goal a lot. I don't know where u get the scoring from 20+ yards stat from? Our defense did not give up a lot of points this year. They kept us in most games.
I bet we averaged 20 plus points against this season. Not great by any means!! Probably middle of the pack somewhere but definetly room for improvement IMO.

Canada
02-18-2008, 11:55 AM
I bet we averaged 20 plus points against this season. Not great by any means!! Probably middle of the pack somewhere but definetly room for improvement IMO.

I agree that they could improve, but they did play well in the Red Zone. Between the 20s is where I think they need to show the improvement which is also where I think some new blood at the corners will benefit! :bananen_smilies046:

hermhater
02-18-2008, 11:58 AM
I know this article was by Gretz, not you chief31, but can anyone find out what our defense did against scoring when outside the redzone, as compared to inside the redzone?

DrunkHillbilly
02-18-2008, 12:00 PM
I agree that they could improve, but they did play well in the Red Zone. Between the 20s is where I think they need to show the improvement which is also where I think some new blood at the corners will benefit! :bananen_smilies046:
Agreed! Corner IMO is the second most needed position on the team! You guys heard me beat it till it was dead about giving up the long ball!!!! I know the guy needs some safety help on those plays but it is the corners job first and foremost and we just don't have a guy that can man up on the other teams best receiver! As long as I have been watching Chiefs football, this has been an issue!!

Canada
02-18-2008, 12:02 PM
Agreed! Corner IMO is the second most needed position on the team! You guys heard me beat it till it was dead about giving up the long ball!!!! I know the guy needs some safety help on those plays but it is the corners job first and foremost and we just don't have a guy that can man up on the other teams best receiver! As long as I have been watching Chiefs football, this has been an issue!!


Some speed would be nice. I like Law and Sutain, but they have both lost a step and eveyone knows it.

Chiefster
02-18-2008, 06:02 PM
I agree that they could improve, but they did play well in the Red Zone. Between the 20s is where I think they need to show the improvement which is also where I think some new blood at the corners will benefit! :bananen_smilies046:

Agreed; we need to work on getting more three and outs to get off the field so we can have a fresh defense in the second half.

chief31
02-18-2008, 07:46 PM
I bet we averaged 20 plus points against this season. Not great by any means!! Probably middle of the pack somewhere but definetly room for improvement IMO.

20.9, ranked 14th.


I know this article was by Gretz, not you chief31, but can anyone find out what our defense did against scoring when outside the redzone, as compared to inside the redzone?

I couldn't find anything. This sounds like a job for rbedgood.:D

Canada
02-18-2008, 07:52 PM
I couldn't find anything. This sounds like a job for rbedgood.:D

Typical mod...passing the real work off to someone else!! :lol:

chief31
02-18-2008, 08:05 PM
Typical mod...passing the real work off to someone else!! :lol:
Laziness is a tool that I have learned to employ in several factes of my life. :D

Canada
02-18-2008, 08:50 PM
I just heard on NFL.network (I think, I only caught the end as I turned on the TV) but I think I heard that the Patriots are interested in getting Ty Law back. Does anyone know if this is true and if so do you think it would increase the possibility of the Chiefs going after Asante Samuel??

Chiefster
02-18-2008, 09:05 PM
Typical mod...passing the real work off to someone else!! :lol:

That is what makes us mods who we are; the ability to delegate responsibility. :D

Canada
02-19-2008, 08:51 AM
I just heard on NFL.network (I think, I only caught the end as I turned on the TV) but I think I heard that the Patriots are interested in getting Ty Law back. Does anyone know if this is true and if so do you think it would increase the possibility of the Chiefs going after Asante Samuel??


That is what makes us mods who we are; the ability to delegate responsibility. :D

And skip over legitimate questions!! :lol:

DrunkHillbilly
02-19-2008, 09:43 AM
I just heard on NFL.network (I think, I only caught the end as I turned on the TV) but I think I heard that the Patriots are interested in getting Ty Law back. Does anyone know if this is true and if so do you think it would increase the possibility of the Chiefs going after Asante Samuel??
Slim and none....and slim just left the building!! Samuel makes too much money for CP to bring him in!

Canada
02-19-2008, 10:07 AM
Slim and none....and slim just left the building!! Samuel makes too much money for CP to bring him in!

I just wasn't sure if Ty was part of a trade if it would make any difference. I saw the clip again today on NFL network and it is Law that wants to go back to NE.

hermhater
02-19-2008, 12:49 PM
I just wasn't sure if Ty was part of a trade if it would make any difference. I saw the clip again today on NFL network and it is Law that wants to go back to NE.

Good riddance!

They can have his sorry *** back!

Chiefster
02-19-2008, 02:13 PM
And skip over legitimate questions!! :lol:

The ability to pick and chose also makes us who we are. :D

m0ef0e
02-19-2008, 07:01 PM
Maybe BB has an upgraded rascal or a souped-up hover-round for Ty.

Canada
02-19-2008, 07:07 PM
Maybe BB has an upgraded rascal or a souped-up hover-round for Ty.

No, defense is easier in NE cause they already know what the offenses are doing. They can line Ty up right where the pass is going so he won't have to move anyhwere!! :lol:

hermhater
02-20-2008, 01:17 PM
Maybe BB has an upgraded rascal or a souped-up hover-round for Ty.

He probably already has bionics prepared for him!

:11:

AkChief49
02-20-2008, 06:16 PM
I just heard on NFL.network (I think, I only caught the end as I turned on the TV) but I think I heard that the Patriots are interested in getting Ty Law back. Does anyone know if this is true and if so do you think it would increase the possibility of the Chiefs going after Asante Samuel??It's rumored that the Eagles are going to go after Assante

wolfpack
02-20-2008, 10:57 PM
Gretz hears all from carl. the trouble is its hard to hear from underneath carls desk.

Chiefster
02-21-2008, 01:44 AM
Gretz hears all from carl. the trouble is its hard to hear from underneath carls desk.


...Needs to invest in miracle ear.

rbedgood
02-26-2008, 02:12 PM
...Needs to invest in miracle ear.

Hmmm...I don't sell Miracle Ear, but I do sell hearing aids...I'd be glad to help.

hermhater
02-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Hmmm...I don't sell Miracle Ear, but I do sell hearing aids...I'd be glad to help.

What's the difference?

rbedgood
02-26-2008, 02:21 PM
Actually very little...Miracle Ear aids are made in the same plant as the ones I sell. Just a different brand name.

Chiefster
02-27-2008, 01:20 AM
Actually very little...Miracle Ear aids are made in the same plant as the ones I sell. Just a different brand name.

HA! Makes sense, it's like the difference between generic and brand name products - the price.

hermhater
02-27-2008, 03:55 AM
Actually very little...Miracle Ear aids are made in the same plant as the ones I sell. Just a different brand name.


HA! Makes sense, it's like the difference between generic and brand name products - the price.

What was that?

I couldn't quite hear ya...

:bananen_smilies046:

Chiefster
02-27-2008, 08:55 AM
What was that?

I couldn't quite hear ya...

:bananen_smilies046:

EH!! Say again?

Canada
02-27-2008, 09:56 AM
HA! Makes sense, it's like the difference between generic and brand name products - the price.

And the name:sign0104:

Chiefster
02-27-2008, 10:35 AM
And the name:sign0104:

" What's in a name?..." :p

hermhater
02-27-2008, 02:05 PM
" What's in a name?..." :p

Generally some letters, and a couple of syllables.

:bananen_smilies046:

Chiefster
02-28-2008, 01:15 AM
Generally some letters, and a couple of syllables.

:bananen_smilies046:

That's about it.

Canada
02-28-2008, 09:43 AM
That's about it.

There is also meaning!!

Chiefster
02-28-2008, 10:10 AM
There is also meaning!!

What do you mean? :p

Canada
02-28-2008, 11:43 AM
I don't know, i have to go to the dentist now :(

rbedgood
02-28-2008, 01:15 PM
Good luck Canada!!!

YouTube - Little Shop of Horrors - Dentist Song

Canada
02-28-2008, 02:09 PM
i am back now and no one is dead. but i m hungry and the dd not olet me order apixxa thre. i am bery hevily medicated so so if i sluur then that is yhy

hermhater
02-28-2008, 02:24 PM
i am back now and no one is dead. but i m hungry and the dd not olet me order apixxa thre. i am bery hevily medicated so so if i sluur then that is yhy

Man it must be cold at the dentist!

:lol: