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YZILLA
02-29-2008, 04:43 AM
This posted on the warpaint forums and you need to read it from the bottom up because the top part is actually the update to the lower post ( check the dates ) . Just thought I would lay it out there for something to talk about !


NEW: Friday Morning - Jared Allen Update

UPDATE FEBRUARY 29th - 12:08 AM
According to Fox Sports Radio in Philadelphia. The Eagles are close to signing former New England Patriots cornerback Assante Samuels to a long term contract. Hours before the team gave permission to their current starting cornerback Lito Sheppard permission to seek a trade.

According to the report on Fox Sports Radio, the Eagles are prepared to send their first round draft pick (#19) and their fourth round pick plus Sheppard in exchange for Jared Allen.

Now we can't confirm this report by any means this late at night. But we're told by and NFL source that KC is entertaining offers for Allen. At the moment Allen is out of the country so trading him before he gets back to the State would bode well for any deal to simmer to a high boil before Allen could react to it with the local media.

Still I've always maintained that the two sides would work out a deal. According to another source, Allen isn't looking to break the bank. He's looking for a Signing Bonus/Guarantee in the $30 million range.

A year ago he asked for an $18 million Signing Bonus/Guarantee when the two sides met at the NFL Combines in February of 2007. The Chiefs countered with a one-year offer worth $2.2 million. That's when these talks went south and they haven't flown North since.

To our knowledge there have been no substantial talks between the Chiefs and Ken Harris on either a long term contract or any parameters for a possible trade.

Stay Tuned to Warpaint Illustrated for the very latest on Jared Allen.


UPDATE: February 28th - 9:00 PM
Ok I'm sharing the info that I received from someone in Jared Allen's camp earlier this afternoon. According to this source, there HAVE been NO contract talks with Ken Harris and Denny Thum as of this afternoon. The information we received earlier in the week indicated that there had been talks between the Chiefs and Harris. But per this source there has been ZERO contact. NOW this could be posturing to be honest.

About an hour ago I received a tip that Allen is furious with the Chiefs and that there MAY be some truth to the report in the Pioneer Press from Wednesday that the Chiefs might be willing to trade Allen for the right price.

I stress that these are known sources on each topic but by no means am I willing to stick my neck out either way. I'm attempting to get more information.

All I can say is that appears that this isn't going to get settled with the Chiefs anytime soon and I think Chiefs fans should prepare for the inevitable that he COULD be traded.

So to be honest I'm just passing it along and I'd give this a two or three out of five on the reliable meter.



February 27 - 2008
There is a report circulating that the Kansas City Chiefs may attempt to trade Jared Allen before the start of free agency. Per my sources, the report on Yahoo sports is nothing more than speculation.

I've heard that the two sides have discussed a new contract and that its too early to indicate that that two sides will or won't settle on an agreement.

Though I can say if another team does indeed make a play for Allen and they're willing to give up a pair of first round draft picks for him, I can't see the Chiefs matching the offer. That's JUST my opinion and one I've shared previously.

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/02/121.jpg

jerhart
02-29-2008, 08:37 AM
This sucks....way to go Queen Carl...

jerhart
02-29-2008, 08:50 AM
...Has anyone else heard anything about this? ...what a crappy Friday...

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 09:18 AM
This sucks....way to go Queen Carl...

I agree. CP should lose his job over this. Too bad it won't happen. How does he think a deal like that makes us better?

jerhart
02-29-2008, 09:25 AM
So what do yalls think of Lito Sheppard? I dont know much about him.

wolfpack
02-29-2008, 10:09 AM
wait and see . mightbe just BS from both sides.

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 10:10 AM
So what do yalls think of Lito Sheppard? I dont know much about him.

He's been pretty solid for Philly. Who knows what he'd do in a Chiefs uniform. I'd still much rather have JA on the team.

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 10:11 AM
wait and see . mightbe just BS from both sides.

Hope you're right.

jerhart
02-29-2008, 10:17 AM
I'd still much rather have JA on the team.


Oh I agree 110%.

DrunkHillbilly
02-29-2008, 11:10 AM
I would say Lito is in the top teir of shut down corners. Maybe top 5 or so. Having said that, the more I think about things, although O line is our obvious and glaring need, with all of the passing that has developed in the league, I believe that having a legit corner is vital to a teams make up! The Chiefs are like the Suns were before the Shaq trade. You know your going to give up a bundle of points on most days so do everything you can to outscore your opponent. I think we finished about the middle of the pack or maybe a little below avg. in points scored against so I believe Lito might bring something we need badly to our team.

All of this is prefaced by saying I would rather keep JA but if it is as bad as it sounds between the team and JA, Lito would be a guy that I wouldn't mind giving a shot.

But............to contradict myself, it again would be a veteran who has been around for a while. I guess at this point we may need a few veterans because it looks like a good portion of our team will be young guys!!!! Who the hell know what's going to happen?? My head starts spinnin about this time every year when trying to figure things out with the draft and what we need to improve our team!!!! UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rbedgood
02-29-2008, 11:48 AM
If Allen won't sign a long-term deal then trading him becomes the best option. As trades go from this position, this one isn't horrible. Lito Sheppard is a very good corner, and although he's a veteran, he isn't old...he'll be 27 in April. The #19 along with your current #5 could be used to get 2 offensive linemen or an OT & a WR. This would be huge. Then the only question is can the Chiefs get a viable DE in the 2nd round, or in free agency.

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 12:25 PM
If Allen won't sign a long-term deal then trading him becomes the best option. As trades go from this position, this one isn't horrible. Lito Sheppard is a very good corner, and although he's a veteran, he isn't old...he'll be 27 in April. The #19 along with your current #5 could be used to get 2 offensive linemen or an OT & a WR. This would be huge. Then the only question is can the Chiefs get a viable DE in the 2nd round, or in free agency.

The only viable DE would be Justin Smith and he's already talking to three other teams. He will be gone soon. Jevon Kearse is as fragile as antique china. What other DEs are available. Giving up one of the leaders and top three DEs in the league, if not #1 DE in the league does not make any sense. Lito Shepard is pretty solid but he's not a game changing defender. It's a gamble taking rookie offensive lineman as well. The only given is probably Long and he'll probably be gone by #5. Giving up JA would be devistating to this defense.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 01:13 PM
I wouldn't mind this trade if Allen is as pissed off as he seems because we're NEVER going to sign him to a long term deal. Lito Shephard WOULD be a nuetral exchange straight up for Allen, but picking up a pair of picks including a first rounder would put this in a positive light for the Chiefs.

With the #5 I'd expect the Chiefs to go after Vernon Gholston. From what i've read, he's basically Shawn Merriman on roids, but this guy does it NATURALLY. Then with the #19 pick, we take the Clady or best availiable OT. I still don't think J. Long will be available at #5.

But there again, I'd still like to see the Chiefs trade that #5 pick and turn it into 2 more 1st round picks.

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 01:29 PM
I wouldn't mind this trade if Allen is as pissed off as he seems because we're NEVER going to sign him to a long term deal. Lito Shephard WOULD be a nuetral exchange straight up for Allen, but picking up a pair of picks including a first rounder would put this in a positive light for the Chiefs.

With the #5 I'd expect the Chiefs to go after Vernon Gholston. From what i've read, he's basically Shawn Merriman on roids, but this guy does it NATURALLY. Then with the #19 pick, we take the Clady or best availiable OT. I still don't think J. Long will be available at #5.

But there again, I'd still like to see the Chiefs trade that #5 pick and turn it into 2 more 1st round picks.

I can agree that it would be a good idea to get good value if he is disgruntled, but Lito for him straight up is NOT a good deal. Granted we would get the picks.

I have heard Gholston is pretty good but nobody knows yet. Derrick Harvey from Florida may be good too.

Finally, If I was CP(Thank god i'm not) I would be completely onboard with your idea of trading #5 for two other first rounders. Preferably from the 'girls.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 01:36 PM
i didn't say it was a good deal. i said it would be nuetral. A top tier CB for a top tier DE. Nuetral

texaschief
02-29-2008, 01:49 PM
why isn't this being talked about more? this would be the biggest trade to go down before the draft. I think if Lito, 1st and 4th is the starting point, i could see CP bringing back at least a 3rd instead of the 4th. So Carl is probably countering with Lito, 1st and 2nd. Don't be shocked to see this go down.

It won't be popular, but it will be a good move.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 02:00 PM
Samuel just signed with the Eagles. I think the Jared Allen thing is gonna go down. The signing of Asante Samuel makes Lito Shephard relatively expendable.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 02:05 PM
Also, if we're looking at trading JA for a CB, why aren't we talking to Atlanta about D. Hall? If we can get Hall and their first round pick, I'd be good with that. lol

hermhater
02-29-2008, 02:43 PM
Also, if we're looking at trading JA for a CB, why aren't we talking to Atlanta about D. Hall? If we can get Hall and their first round pick, I'd be good with that. lol

You think we could get Hall and move up in the draft?

That is the ONLY way I would approve of trading JA since he wants out so bad.

royalswin100games
02-29-2008, 03:03 PM
You think we could get Hall and move up in the draft?

That is the ONLY way I would approve of trading JA since he wants out so bad.

Hall would be a great pickup but he's another one that would want a mountain of money to come to our team. One of the main reasons he wants out of Atlanta is because he wants to play for a contender.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 04:16 PM
You think we could get Hall and move up in the draft?

That is the ONLY way I would approve of trading JA since he wants out so bad.

no no....not move up. gain another pick (which happens to be higher than our #5 pick.)

In fact, i wouldn't mind throwing in a couple of our lower picks to gain that extra pick. Bringing in D. Hall while drafting at #3 AND #5 would be worth JA in my opinion.

rbedgood
02-29-2008, 04:57 PM
I still think that the #5 will be Jake Long...so I'm operating from that assumption. I'd still take an Olineman with the #19 if you trade JA, and when I said viable DE I wasn't implying anyone equal to JA, more someone that is serviceable (i.e. Travis LaBoy, Kevin Carter, Mike Rucker, and Bryant Young)...I don't think you'll have a shot at Justin Smith as TexasChiefs mentioned, however these other guys would be serviceable, and with the upgrade at DB, and the extra 2 draft picks the trade would be a good value. Keeping JA would be better, but it sounds like that isn't likely so you have to operate from that reality.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 05:01 PM
i never suggested picking up Justin Smith. i agree, that won't be possible.

rbedgood
02-29-2008, 05:03 PM
i never suggested picking up Justin Smith. i agree, that won't be possible.

I was agreeing with you brother...sorry if it wasn't clear...I was stating that as you had said, he won't be available. He would be an ideal replacement, however unlikely.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 05:06 PM
i think JA and Smith are clones, personally.

rbedgood
02-29-2008, 05:12 PM
i think JA and Smith are clones, personally.

They have a similar style of play...JA has a little more speed on the outside, Smith is a little better in run support.

Smith would be better in a 3-4 than JA would be, but JA is better in a 4-3 (or Cover2) than Smith would be. The difference would be marginal, but existent.

texaschief
02-29-2008, 09:34 PM
With cornerback Asante Samuel in the fold, the Eagles are now going to attempt to trade cornerback Lito Sheppard, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Calls are already coming in for Sheppard, a first-round draft pick in 2002 who is still only 26 years old.

In recent weeks, there were rumors that that Sheppard was on he block, and the team strongly denied it. In hindsight, it’s likely that the Eagles didn’t want to tip their hand regarding their plans to pursue Samuel.

Sheppard is under contract for four more seasons, with base salaries of $2 million in 2008, $3 million in 2009, $3.7 million in 2010, and $4.25 million in 2011.
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I think if the Chiefs were going to pull the trigger on this trade, this wouldn't have been leaked. Perhaps CP was asking for the moon.

jakesmith
02-29-2008, 10:36 PM
It really doesnt make sense to try to trade off Allen for servicable DEs when you have a proven player. I would think the Giants proved what a great defensive line can do for your team. I think Allen and Hali are just as good as Strahan and Osi. The Chiefs need to put up the cash and keep Allen in KC. Quite pushing the players away that have developed in pro bowlers.

hermhater
03-01-2008, 12:13 AM
It really doesnt make sense to try to trade off Allen for servicable DEs when you have a proven player. I would think the Giants proved what a great defensive line can do for your team. I think Allen and Hali are just as good as Strahan and Osi. The Chiefs need to put up the cash and keep Allen in KC. Quite pushing the players away that have developed in pro bowlers.

That's kind of what the Chiefs do.

tornadospotter
03-02-2008, 08:12 AM
The queen needs to sign Jared to a fair contract, leaning to make him happy contract. If we lose JA, it will hurt the team in many ways. jmo

AkChief49
03-02-2008, 09:09 AM
personally I'd like to keep JA. but if we had #3 and #5 and were able to get both J.Long and C.Long or Gholston....might not be too bad. huge "if"

hermhater
03-02-2008, 05:08 PM
Jan 3, 2008

ALLEN NAMED TEAM MVP


Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Thursday that DE Jared Allen has been named the club’s 2007 Derrick Thomas Award winner and WR Dwayne Bowe earned honors as the team’s Mack Lee Hill Award winner. Both awards are voted on by Chiefs players and will be presented at the 38th annual 101 Banquet on March 8th.

As a tribute to the late Derrick Thomas, the Chiefs annual Most Valuable Player Award was renamed in his honor following his tragic death in February of 2000. The Mack Lee Hill Award is presented each year to the Chiefs rookie or first-year player who best exemplifies the spirit of the late Mack Lee Hill, who passed away during his second season with the Chiefs in ’65.

Allen (6-6, 270) put together his finest season as a pro in 2007. The 25-year old defensive end was selected to his first Pro Bowl and is taking home the Derrick Thomas Award for the first time in his four-year NFL career.

Allen led the NFL with 15.5 sacks in 2007 despite missing the season’s first two contests. He was the first Chiefs defender to lead the league in sacks since DE Neil Smith accomplished that feat in ’93 with 15.0 QB takedowns. En route to his first Pro Bowl invitation, Allen became just the fourth player in team history to own 14.5 or more sacks in a season. Allen’s six multi-sack games also paced the NFL in 2007. He is the first Chiefs defensive end to earn a Pro Bowl berth since Smith earned a bid in ’95.

Allen now has 43.0 career sacks, the sixth-highest total in Chiefs annals. He needs 2.0 more sacks to overtake DE Eric Hicks (44.5) for fifth place in Chiefs history. En route to claiming the Chiefs MVP Award Allen also earned AFC Defensive Player of the Month honors for October, becoming the first Chiefs player to win that honor since Thomas accomplished the feat in December of ’97. Allen finished his impressive 2007 campaign with 14 starts, amassing 67 tackles (62 solo), 15.5 sacks (-111.0 yards), three forced fumbles, 11 passes defensed and 18 QB pressures.

Allen has sacked 26 different quarterbacks in his four-year career. In 61 career games (55 starts), Allen has totaled 257 tackles (201 solo), 43.0 sacks (-281.5 yards), one INT, 13 forced fumbles, eight fumble recoveries, 26 passes defensed and 115 QB pressures. The Los Gatos, California native entered the league as the Chiefs second of two fourth-round draft picks in the 2004 NFL Draft. The Idaho State alum finished his prep career at Los Gatos High School.

Bowe (6-3, 221) started 15 games for the Chiefs this season, finishing the 2007 campaign second on the team with 70 catches for 995 yards (14.2 avg.) and five TDs. He established Chiefs rookie records for both receptions and receiving yards, while his five TDs are tied as the third-highest total by a rookie in club history. His reception and yardage numbers also paced NFL rookies in 2007. Bowe is the first offensive player to win the Mack Lee Hill Award since T Victor Riley in ’98.

Establishing himself as an offensive playmaker in just his first pro season, Bowe took home a number of league awards in 2007. He received NFL Rookie of the Week honors twice against Minnesota (9/23 – five catches for 71 yards and one TD) and at San Diego (9/30 – eight receptions for 164 yards and a TD). He set a Chiefs rookie record with 164 receiving yards at San Diego (9/30), breaking the previous mark of 130 yards set by RB/S Johnny Robinson vs. Buffalo (12/18/60). Bowe also is the first Chiefs rookie wide receiver since the AFL-NFL merger to catch a TD pass in his first three NFL starts and is just the fifth-rookie in Chiefs history to register a 100-yard receiving game.

Born in Miami, Florida, Bowe joined the Chiefs as the club’s first-round selection (23rd overall) in the 2007 NFL Draft. In his senior season at LSU, Bowe caught 65 passes for 990 yards (15.2 avg.) with a school single-season record 12 TDs. He was named third-team All-America by The NFL Draft Report and earned first-team All-Southeastern Conference accolades. In 50 career games (30 starts) for the Tigers, Bowe totaled 154 receptions for 2,403 yards (15.6 avg.) with a school-record 24 TDs. He prepped at Norland Senior High School in Miami, Florida.

The 38th Annual 101 Banquet will be held on March 8, 2008, in Kansas City. The Chiefs will honor their Derrick Thomas MVP Award winner and Mack Lee Hill Rookie of the Year recipient as well as inducting a new member into the Chiefs Hall of Fame. The AFC/NFC Offensive and Defensive Players of the Year and Coach of the Year will be honored during the banquet as well. Tickets and sponsorships to the 101 Awards Dinner are available by calling Premier Sports Management at (913) 681-6990.

http://www.jaredallen69.com/football/article.php?article_id=190




I wonder how much tickets are for this shin dig?

Should I go and see him get the award?

It might be the last thing he gets from the Chiefs.

m0ef0e
03-03-2008, 12:42 PM
Let's put JA and CP in an octagon together. Winner gets the contract he wants...

It'll be good to see JA still a Chief.

Chiefster
03-03-2008, 02:48 PM
Let's put JA and CP in an octagon together. Winner gets the contract he wants...

It'll be good to see JA still a Chief.

I say: Thunder Dome!

Two men enter; one man leaves!

royalswin100games
03-03-2008, 02:50 PM
I say: Thunder Dome!

Two men enter; one man leaves!

Make a deal, face the wheel.

Chiefster
03-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Make a deal, face the wheel.

I thought it was: "Break a deal, face the wheel!"

royalswin100games
03-03-2008, 03:17 PM
I thought it was: "Break a deal, face the wheel!"

My bad.
:sign0104:

Chiefster
03-03-2008, 03:18 PM
My bad.
:sign0104:

Ain't no thing! You could be right; it's been forever since I saw that movie.

royalswin100games
03-03-2008, 03:20 PM
Ain't no thing! You could be right; it's been forever since I saw that movie.

No you're right. Better memory than me. It must be all that partaking in... nevermind.
:toast2:

Chiefster
03-03-2008, 03:49 PM
No you're right. Better memory than me. It must be all that partaking in... nevermind.
:toast2:

...Corn squeezins??? :D

Canada
03-03-2008, 03:51 PM
No you're right. Better memory than me. It must be all that partaking in... nevermind.
:toast2:

Too much of that never hurt anyones...what are we talking about again? :beer:

royalswin100games
03-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Too much of that never hurt anyones...what are we talking about again? :beer:

Dave's not here man...
:bananen_smilies046:

Canada
03-03-2008, 03:55 PM
Dave's not here man...
:bananen_smilies046:

Yes I am! :D

hermhater
03-04-2008, 02:40 AM
Let's put JA and CP in an octagon together. Winner gets the contract he wants...

It'll be good to see JA still a Chief.


I say: Thunder Dome!

Two men enter; one man leaves!


Make a deal, face the wheel.


I thought it was: "Break a deal, face the wheel!"


My bad.
:sign0104:


Ain't no thing! You could be right; it's been forever since I saw that movie.


No you're right. Better memory than me. It must be all that partaking in... nevermind.
:toast2:


...Corn squeezins??? :D


Too much of that never hurt anyones...what are we talking about again? :beer:


Dave's not here man...
:bananen_smilies046:


Yes I am! :D

Wow, what a great analysis of our best player receiving an award pretty soon here in KC.

You guys really nailed it.

Gosh, maybe you could cover the event and give us commentary on the proceedings?

I feel the bird coming on...

:bananen_smilies046:

royalswin100games
03-05-2008, 12:49 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

hermhater
03-05-2008, 01:21 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I try.

:lol:

Chiefster
03-05-2008, 10:33 PM
Wow, what a great analysis of our best player receiving an award pretty soon here in KC.

You guys really nailed it.

Gosh, maybe you could cover the event and give us commentary on the proceedings?

I feel the bird coming on...

:bananen_smilies046:

That was not the middle finger's intended use.

rbedgood
03-06-2008, 12:39 PM
That was not the middle finger's intended use.

It doesn't fit in my nose...so what the heck is it for???:yahoo:

On second thought...I'd better specify...HH we don't want to know!!!

anaeelbackwards
03-06-2008, 01:09 PM
]It doesn't fit in my nose...so what the heck is it for???:yahoo: [/B]

On second thought...I'd better specify...HH we don't want to know!!!



any of you guys ever watch beavis and butthead? if so, remember the tampon episode? using the tampon to stop the nose bleeds? :D

hermhater
03-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Well anyways I have to work on th 8th so I won't be able to go and see Jared get his award.

I hope he moons Carl and Herm after he is presented the award!

:lol:

mxpxHERO
03-06-2008, 02:46 PM
dear carl,


sign JA already!


with thanks, the chiefsnation

Chiefster
03-08-2008, 03:00 PM
dear carl,


sign JA already!


with thanks, the chiefsnation

Dear Chiefsnation,

I cannot comply with your request as it would require the use of common sense on my part.

Sincerely,

Carl Peterson

hermhater
03-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Dear Chiefsnation,

I cannot comply with your request as it would require the use of common sense on my part.

Sincerely,

Carl Peterson

Heh!

I was wrong in the other thread, Chiefster is actually Carl!

:lol:

hermhater
03-16-2008, 09:57 PM
I wonder how much tickets are for this shin dig?

Should I go and see him get the award?

It might be the last thing he gets from the Chiefs.


Allen shows up


There was talk that Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen, who has his own issues with the Chiefs, might not show up for the 101 Banquet to receive the Derrick Thomas most valuable player award.


But Allen did, in fact, show up to the black-tie affair wearing cowboy boots, jeans and a tuxedo T-shirt.

http://www.kansascity.com/181/story/525522.html




Looks like Jared went and accepted his award, and he did it in style too!

:lol:

Chiefster
03-17-2008, 01:27 AM
Heh!

I was wrong in the other thread, Chiefster is actually Carl!

:lol:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8549/kinggreg6mc06to.jpg