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texaschief
03-31-2008, 02:15 PM
Here’s a look at the perceived draft needs of the Kansas City Chiefs, with heavy input from Matt Miller and David Gardner of NewEraScouting.com.

Left Tackle: The Chiefs claimed on waivers free agent Anthony Alabi, cut by the Dolphins, and perhaps he can supplant 2007 free-agent addition Damion McIntosh at left tackle. But is either guy really the right guy to protect the quarterback’s blind side? Solid left tackles never come available on the open market, because their teams will never let them get away.

Jake Long would be the ideal pick at No. 5 overall, but it’s unlikely that he’ll still be on the board. Ryan Clady of Boise State is a very athletic pass protector and has the talent to become a franchise left tackle, but he may be a reach at No. 5. Should the team wait until round two, they could find Barry Richardson (Clemson) or Jeff Otah (Pitt) waiting to be plucked from the board.

Quarterback: There are some who believe that Brodie Croyle is the future of this team, but he hasn’t done much in the present to justify it. The Chiefs could opt to go with Matt Ryan at No. 5.

Then again, some believe that G.M. Carl Peterson likes Louisville quarterback Brian Brohm, whose stock is sliding. Brohm could be on the board when the Chiefs use their second-round selection.

Wide receiver: Dwayne Bowe looks like a future Pro Bowler. Opposite him, the team could be relying on Devard Darling, a free agent pick up from Baltimore, who never has fulfilled his promise. Jeff Webb has shown ability, but he is not consistent and struggles to separate. Samie Parker, Eddie Drummond, and Bobby Sippio are journeymen at best; Parker and Drummond are free agents and likely won’t return.

The draft this year is deep at the position, and it would allow them to add more weapons to an offense that has a lot of young pieces in place. Looking at the third round, the Chiefs could find players such as Early Doucet (LSU) and Adrian Arrington (Michigan) on their board. Both are productive receivers who have shown up in big games against top competition.

Cornerback: Ty Law is long gone, leaving an opening at left cornerback. Patrick Surtain is on his last legs as a starter and there is little talent behind him. Second-stringer from 2007 Benny Sapp recently bolted for Minnesota. Cornerback could be the team’s first pick this year; regardless, it’s a need they’ll definitely address at some point in the draft.

Players being linked to K.C. are Antoine Cason (Arizona), a talented cover-two style corner, Patrick Lee (Auburn), Aqib Talib (Kansas), and Zack Bowman (Nebraska).

Center: Casey Weigmann left for Denver, leaving the Chiefs with no clear-cut replacement on hand. With free-agent Justin Hartwig choosing Pittsburgh, the Chiefs could look for a starter in the draft. Adam Spieker from nearby Missouri is a player the team was scouting heavily during the 2007 season. The Chiefs’ zone-blocking scheme also favors mobile centers like Doug Legursky and Mike Pollak.

Then again, there’s a chance that the Chiefs will go with Rudy Niswanger as the starter.

Defensive line: Jared Allen will be back, barring a trade of the franchise player. Allen will be joined by second-year players Turk McBride and Tank Tyler at tackle, and Tamba Hali on the other end. There’s a lot of talent in this group, but not much depth. McBride has also bounced between end and tackle. Ron Edwards and Alfonso Boone offer some, but are not stars.

Tight end: Kris Wilson has bolted, leaving no experience behind 32-year-old Pro Bowler Tony Gonzalez. Gonzalez has been healthy throughout his career, but the team relies heavily on him in the red zone. Lining up a potential replacement will help the team immensely down the road.
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Thought y'all might like to read it.

hermhater
03-31-2008, 02:23 PM
Our first draft pick is going to depend on who Carl thinks is most valuable, I don't think we will base our pick on team needs if Jake Long is not available.

We will go with the BPA and either work out a trade with another team for him or trade down.

I think that is retarded and we should get Clady at five.

Who knows if he will be available later in the draft?

Other teams need O linemen as well as the Chiefs.

texaschief
03-31-2008, 02:29 PM
Our first draft pick is going to depend on who Carl thinks is most valuable, I don't think we will base our pick on team needs if Jake Long is not available.

We will go with the BPA and either work out a trade with another team for him or trade down.

I think that is retarded and we should get Clady at five.

Who knows if he will be available later in the draft?

Other teams need O linemen as well as the Chiefs.

yeah, but most of those teams are ahead of the Chiefs in the draft...which is why Long won't be there at #5. I think you'll be able to find a long term LT in the 2nd round. There's really no reason to reach for one. If we have to pay a top 5 tackle, top 5 money, he needs to be a Roaf/Pace/Ogden type tackle and Clady just isn't that guy IMO.

hermhater
03-31-2008, 02:32 PM
yeah, but most of those teams are ahead of the Chiefs in the draft...which is why Long won't be there at #5. I think you'll be able to find a long term LT in the 2nd round. There's really no reason to reach for one. If we have to pay a top 5 tackle, top 5 money, he needs to be a Roaf/Pace/Ogden type tackle and Clady just isn't that guy IMO.

Give me a guaranteed scenarios where we could get the guy in the first round and I will agree with you.

Do you think we could really get a starting rookie at LT other than Long or Clady?

royalswin100games
03-31-2008, 03:22 PM
Here’s a look at the perceived draft needs of the Kansas City Chiefs, with heavy input from Matt Miller and David Gardner of NewEraScouting.com.

Left Tackle: The Chiefs claimed on waivers free agent Anthony Alabi, cut by the Dolphins, and perhaps he can supplant 2007 free-agent addition Damion McIntosh at left tackle. But is either guy really the right guy to protect the quarterback’s blind side? Solid left tackles never come available on the open market, because their teams will never let them get away.

No.

Jake Long would be the ideal pick at No. 5 overall, but it’s unlikely that he’ll still be on the board. Ryan Clady of Boise State is a very athletic pass protector and has the talent to become a franchise left tackle, but he may be a reach at No. 5. Should the team wait until round two, they could find Barry Richardson (Clemson) or Jeff Otah (Pitt) waiting to be plucked from the board.

I don't agree with the first statement anymore. I think Clady would be a good pick at #5.

If we were to wait to draft a tackle with our 2nd pick, Otah would be great if he's there.

Quarterback: There are some who believe that Brodie Croyle is the future of this team, but he hasn’t done much in the present to justify it. The Chiefs could opt to go with Matt Ryan at No. 5.

Then again, some believe that G.M. Carl Peterson likes Louisville quarterback Brian Brohm, whose stock is sliding. Brohm could be on the board when the Chiefs use their second-round selection.

Brohm has some good attributes, but do we need to draft him in the second round. IMO, no.

Wide receiver: Dwayne Bowe looks like a future Pro Bowler. Opposite him, the team could be relying on Devard Darling, a free agent pick up from Baltimore, who never has fulfilled his promise. Jeff Webb has shown ability, but he is not consistent and struggles to separate. Samie Parker, Eddie Drummond, and Bobby Sippio are journeymen at best; Parker and Drummond are free agents and likely won’t return.

The draft this year is deep at the position, and it would allow them to add more weapons to an offense that has a lot of young pieces in place. Looking at the third round, the Chiefs could find players such as Early Doucet (LSU) and Adrian Arrington (Michigan) on their board. Both are productive receivers who have shown up in big games against top competition.

Eddie Royal or Andre Caldwell in the third round or later, IMO.

Cornerback: Ty Law is long gone, leaving an opening at left cornerback. Patrick Surtain is on his last legs as a starter and there is little talent behind him. Second-stringer from 2007 Benny Sapp recently bolted for Minnesota. Cornerback could be the team’s first pick this year; regardless, it’s a need they’ll definitely address at some point in the draft.

Players being linked to K.C. are Antoine Cason (Arizona), a talented cover-two style corner, Patrick Lee (Auburn), Aqib Talib (Kansas), and Zack Bowman (Nebraska).

I would LOVE to see Cason in the red and gold. I don't believe Talib would be available in the second round. Patrick Lee may be a little overrated and Bowman is pretty solid.

Center: Casey Weigmann left for Denver, leaving the Chiefs with no clear-cut replacement on hand. With free-agent Justin Hartwig choosing Pittsburgh, the Chiefs could look for a starter in the draft. Adam Spieker from nearby Missouri is a player the team was scouting heavily during the 2007 season. The Chiefs’ zone-blocking scheme also favors mobile centers like Doug Legursky and Mike Pollak.

I like Pollack.

Then again, there’s a chance that the Chiefs will go with Rudy Niswanger as the starter.

Give him a shot.

Defensive line: Jared Allen will be back, barring a trade of the franchise player. Allen will be joined by second-year players Turk McBride and Tank Tyler at tackle, and Tamba Hali on the other end. There’s a lot of talent in this group, but not much depth. McBride has also bounced between end and tackle. Ron Edwards and Alfonso Boone offer some, but are not stars.

Tight end: Kris Wilson has bolted, leaving no experience behind 32-year-old Pro Bowler Tony Gonzalez. Gonzalez has been healthy throughout his career, but the team relies heavily on him in the red zone. Lining up a potential replacement will help the team immensely down the road.
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Thought y'all might like to read it.

Thanks Tex, good thread.

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texaschief
03-31-2008, 06:27 PM
Give me a guaranteed scenarios where we could get the guy in the first round and I will agree with you.

Do you think we could really get a starting rookie at LT other than Long or Clady?

Are you serious? You think out of that list you posted, that the only starting left tackles will be Long and Clady out of that whole bunch? Otah, Williams, Cherilus and Baker will almost assuredly be starting left tackles. Also, Collins, Hills and Clark all have the size, but they would probably starters after a year or two with some good experience.

hermhater
03-31-2008, 06:31 PM
Are you serious? You think out of that list you posted, that the only starting left tackles will be Long and Clady out of that whole bunch? Otah, Williams, Cherilus and Baker will almost assuredly be starting left tackles. Also, Collins, Hills and Clark all have the size, but they would probably starters after a year or two with some good experience.

Why haven't you mentioned them then?

Are these the guys you think we could get later in the draft?

Which ones which rounds?

rbedgood
03-31-2008, 06:35 PM
There's a difference between a "starting left tackle" and a "stud at left tackle". Long and Clady will likely both be studs...the other guys will be starters but not necessarily studs.

I can't pretend to read TexasChiefs' mind, but I'd guess he hasn't mentioned some of these other guys because they aren't as exciting of a prospect as the top 2. I really like Baker and Otah especially. I think both should be late 1st round to early 2nd round picks and will likely start for almost any team if not as rookies then within a year or so. However they don't project to dominate the way Long or Clady should.

hermhater
03-31-2008, 06:38 PM
There's a difference between a "starting left tackle" and a "stud at left tackle". Long and Clady will likely both be studs...the other guys will be starters but not necessarily studs.

I can't pretend to read TexasChiefs' mind, but I'd guess he hasn't mentioned some of these other guys because they aren't as exciting of a prospect as the top 2. I really like Baker and Otah especially. I think both should be late 1st round to early 2nd round picks and will likely start for almost any team if not as rookies then within a year or so. However they don't project to dominate the way Long or Clady should.

I would rather we dominate at LT as Herm doesn't really have a game plan (he just keeps saying that he does) and we will have to be dominant to run the play calling he prefers.

texaschief
03-31-2008, 06:53 PM
One of the biggest reasons why i don't think we'll be taking an OT with our first pick is because the more "athletic" OTs will be taken later. Clady is a better athlete than Long. Long is a mauler and will be a much better pass protector than run blocker. With the running offense Herm likes, they will probably look to find the best athlete in the OT class.

I think you'll see Clady, Williams, Cherilus, and Baker at the top of that list.

royalswin100games
03-31-2008, 06:59 PM
One of the biggest reasons why i don't think we'll be taking an OT with our first pick is because the more "athletic" OTs will be taken later. Clady is a better athlete than Long. Long is a mauler and will be a much better pass protector than run blocker. With the running offense Herm likes, they will probably look to find the best athlete in the OT class.

I think you'll see Clady, Williams, Cherilus, and Baker at the top of that list.

What about Otah, Pitt had a pretty good running game.

rbedgood
03-31-2008, 07:00 PM
One of the biggest reasons why i don't think we'll be taking an OT with our first pick is because the more "athletic" OTs will be taken later. Clady is a better athlete than Long. Long is a mauler and will be a much better pass protector than run blocker. With the running offense Herm likes, they will probably look to find the best athlete in the OT class.

I think you'll see Clady, Williams, Cherilus, and Baker at the top of that list.

I agree and disagree with different aspects of this post. I agree Long is more of a mauler and less athletic than the other guys listed. However from my experience that would make him a better run blocker...not a better pass blocker. The more athletic guy is going to be better suited to pick up a blitzing linebacker or a quick defensive end than the big mauler...however when it comes to a running play the mauler gets to use his raw power...

I like Long better for a running game, and Clady better for the passing game.

rbedgood
03-31-2008, 07:01 PM
....just to continue the thought from my last post. I do like more athletic guards in a running game, as the ability to pull becomes a factor. However most of the time the tackle has a clearer more straight ahead assignment in the running game, (better suited to the mauler)

texaschief
03-31-2008, 07:06 PM
I agree and disagree with different aspects of this post. I agree Long is more of a mauler and less athletic than the other guys listed. However from my experience that would make him a better run blocker...not a better pass blocker. The more athletic guy is going to be better suited to pick up a blitzing linebacker or a quick defensive end than the big mauler...however when it comes to a running play the mauler gets to use his raw power...

I like Long better for a running game, and Clady better for the passing game.


....just to continue the thought from my last post. I do like more athletic guards in a running game, as the ability to pull becomes a factor. However most of the time the tackle has a clearer more straight ahead assignment in the running game, (better suited to the mauler)

I think we just have fundamentally differing opinions. I want the best athletes on my line as possible exclusively for the running game. If an OT can get out and get his hands on a LB or DB, the guy doesn't have to be a mauler.

rbedgood
03-31-2008, 07:18 PM
I think we just have fundamentally differing opinions. I want the best athletes on my line as possible exclusively for the running game. If an OT can get out and get his hands on a LB or DB, the guy doesn't have to be a mauler.

I like the guy to be athletic, because I want a solid passing game too, but my philosophy, especially looking at your RB personnel is that you're going to run up the middle most of the time, therefore a mauler on the O-line is fine for the running game...but still has a problem when it comes to pass-protection.

hermhater
03-31-2008, 07:23 PM
I hate to break in here to your guy's conversation but what the hell????

I thought Long was the whole package?

He did great at the combine and looks like an athletic dude to me.

What are you talking about?

rbedgood
03-31-2008, 07:30 PM
I hate to break in here to your guy's conversation but what the hell????

I thought Long was the whole package?

He did great at the combine and looks like an athletic dude to me.

What are you talking about?

Look at his shuttle times at the combine vs. Clady or some of the guys who aren't quite as strong or big. I personally like Long. But I can see the argument that the other guys would be better in some aspects of the game.

texaschief
03-31-2008, 07:41 PM
I hate to break in here to your guy's conversation but what the hell????

I thought Long was the whole package?

He did great at the combine and looks like an athletic dude to me.

What are you talking about?

This is what i've been trying to tell you. He is probably the best OT in this draft but he isn't the OT he's being hyped as. IMO

hermhater
03-31-2008, 07:50 PM
Look at his shuttle times at the combine vs. Clady or some of the guys who aren't quite as strong or big. I personally like Long. But I can see the argument that the other guys would be better in some aspects of the game.


This is what i've been trying to tell you. He is probably the best OT in this draft but he isn't the OT he's being hyped as. IMO

Maybe you guys need to be telling this to the teams picking before us.

Why would they be taking him if he's not the real deal?

hermhater
03-31-2008, 08:19 PM
I read that we have the last pick in the draft this year.

Does that actually mean we only get 9 relevant picks?

Isn't the last guy in the draft called Mr. Irrelevant?

Chiefster
03-31-2008, 10:17 PM
It is all conjecture at this point, however, I fully expect Carl to once again ignore the glaring team needs.

Coach
03-31-2008, 11:16 PM
Are you serious? You think out of that list you posted, that the only starting left tackles will be Long and Clady out of that whole bunch? Otah, Williams, Cherilus and Baker will almost assuredly be starting left tackles. Also, Collins, Hills and Clark all have the size, but they would probably starters after a year or two with some good experience.
I am not opposed to the Chiefs taking more than one tackle in this year's draft.


One of the biggest reasons why i don't think we'll be taking an OT with our first pick is because the more "athletic" OTs will be taken later. Clady is a better athlete than Long. Long is a mauler and will be a much better pass protector than run blocker. With the running offense Herm likes, they will probably look to find the best athlete in the OT class.

I think you'll see Clady, Williams, Cherilus, and Baker at the top of that list.
If J Long is gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs take a CB with the 1st pick. Then try and get an Otah or Baker in the 2nd rd.


It is all conjecture at this point, however, I fully expect Carl to once again ignore the glaring team needs.
Way to think positive!

chief31
04-01-2008, 01:14 AM
There's a difference between a "starting left tackle" and a "stud at left tackle". Long and Clady will likely both be studs...the other guys will be starters but not necessarily studs.

I can't pretend to read TexasChiefs' mind, but I'd guess he hasn't mentioned some of these other guys because they aren't as exciting of a prospect as the top 2. I really like Baker and Otah especially. I think both should be late 1st round to early 2nd round picks and will likely start for almost any team if not as rookies then within a year or so. However they don't project to dominate the way Long or Clady should.

I believe that Otah will go at no.12, to the Panthers, unless we decide to allow them to take Clady in his place.

But as far as athleticism goes, it's biggest advantage to offensive linemen comes in pass-protection. Especially in Herms ultra-generic running game. Herm doesn't usually show any form of creativity in running the ball.

Also, Long is the best athelete at his position, in this draft class. In my, and most others' opinions. :D

OTR Chiefs fan
04-01-2008, 01:29 AM
[quote=Coach;78573]I am not opposed to the Chiefs taking more than one tackle in this year's draft.


If J Long is gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs take a CB with the 1st pick. Then try and get an Otah or Baker in the 2nd rd.


If Long is not available in the 1st, taking a CB would not be a bad idea, then pick up an OT in the 2nd. :D

hermhater
04-01-2008, 01:38 AM
I believe that Otah will go at no.12, to the Panthers, unless we decide to allow them to take Clady in his place.

But as far as athleticism goes, it's biggest advantage to offensive linemen comes in pass-protection. Especially in Herms ultra-generic running game. Herm doesn't usually show any form of creativity in running the ball.

Also, Long is the best athelete at his position, in this draft class. In my, and most others' opinions. :D

I hope we don't let him get away.

Get some linemen Herm!

:mob:

texaschief
04-01-2008, 02:11 AM
I believe that Otah will go at no.12, to the Panthers, unless we decide to allow them to take Clady in his place.

But as far as athleticism goes, it's biggest advantage to offensive linemen comes in pass-protection. Especially in Herms ultra-generic running game. Herm doesn't usually show any form of creativity in running the ball.

Also, Long is the best athelete at his position, in this draft class. In my, and most others' opinions. :D

Actually, he's probably the most complete in this draft. Not necessarily the best athlete.

chief31
04-01-2008, 02:52 AM
Long is the best athelete at his position, in this draft class. In my, and most others' opinions.


Actually, he's probably the most complete in this draft. Not necessarily the best athlete.

I stand by my statement. :D

rbedgood
04-01-2008, 12:00 PM
Actually, he's probably the most complete in this draft. Not necessarily the best athlete.

He is not the most nimble...I agree with that...however as for athleticism, strength is a factor. Therefore I'm with Chief31 on this one, he is the most complete athlete. The other guys who are more nimble than him, don't approach his raw strength and/or technique.