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royalswin100games
03-31-2008, 07:53 PM
Guards are often overlooked, but finding good ones is tough


By Steve Muench
Scouts Inc.

Arkansas' Robert Felton (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11559)

Perhaps the best way to describe Felton is "315 pounds of mean", because he is tough, strong and at his best driving defenders off the ball. He also does a good job of anchoring in pass protection and holds his ground well working against bull rushers. However, most project him to go on in the fifth-round range because he doesn't have great foot speed and has problems keeping one-gap defenders out of the backfield as a pass blocker. Committing too many penalties and wearing down late in games hasn't helped his draft stock much, either. Oakland is an interesting possibility for Felton because it desperately needs depth at guard and Cooper Carlisle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5141) turns 31 this year. Felton could develop his footwork and work on his conditioning as a backup then compete for a starting job when Cooper decides to step down. In addition, the Raiders need to run the ball effectively with JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8255) entering his first season as a starter, and Russell is capable of buying time in the pocket. A strong commitment to the ground game and a mobile quarterback who can mask his weaknesses in pass protection matches Felton's skill set perfectly. Indianapolis, on the other hand, would be a poor fit. Though the Colts should add a guard later in the draft, Felton is a better run blocker than pass blocker and lacks elite lateral mobility so he could have some problems blocking on their stretch play.

Clemson's Chris McDuffie (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11468)

McDuffie takes too many false steps and doesn't get great hand placement, so he has some problems getting into position and sustaining blocks. Making matters worse, he tore an elbow ligament last year and there are concerns about his character stemming from a 2004 off-the-field incident. However, McDuffie could still get drafted in the later rounds because he has a boatload of potential. The 330-pounder is quick for his size and has the upper-body strength to develop a violent initial punch that can jar defenders at the point of contact. In addition, McDuffie moved from defensive tackle to guard in 2005 and didn't see substantial playing time until 2006, so he is still learning how to play the position. More importantly, there's reason to believe he will progress as he has shown an excellent work ethic and made strides over the course of the last three seasons. Another AFC West team that should be looking for a guard is Kansas City and McDuffie would do well there for two reasons. First, the Chiefs like to pull their offensive linemen. McDuffie has the range to get around the corner and the size to engulf linebackers in space. Secondly, Brian Waters (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5349) went from a collegiate tight end/defensive end to a Pro Bowl guard, so he would be an excellent mentor. However, it's not an ideal fit because the Chiefs need a guard who can contribute early and McDuffie may not be ready. Minnesota, on the other hand, would be a better fit. The Vikings need to add some depth at guard and, believe it or not, Steve Hutchinson turns 31 this year. McDuffie would almost certainly benefit from playing behind Hutchinson and he's talented enough to compete for the starting slot opposite Hutchinson in a year or two.
Meanwhile, the Raiders might not be the right team for McDuffie because of their instability. Oakland's changes in head coaches and offensive coordinators in recent years have forced players to adjust to new schemes far too frequently. While it could come together for second-year head coach Lane Kiffin this year, the tension between Kiffin and team owner Al Davis during the offseason was well documented. Since McDuffie's best chance of reaching his full potential is playing in the same system for at least two years, saying the Raiders would be a good fit for him is too much of a gamble.

UCLA's Shannon Tevaga (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11813)

At 6-foot-2, Tevaga can get under defenders' pads, get adequate hand placement and is relentless once in position. The 312-pounder also takes sound angles to his downfield blocks so he can get into position at the second level. Still, Tevaga projects as a seventh-round pick or rookie free agent for two reasons. The first is his inconsistent footwork. Tevaga lunges and loses his balance too much at this point. Secondly, his lack of ideal athletic ability is a concern. While he can hold his ground working against bull rushers and pick up the blitz, Tevaga struggles to redirect in pass protection and the team that drafts or signs him will have to help him out in pass protection. With Stephen Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5862) turning 32 and Russ Hochstein (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5599) turning 31 this year, New England could stand to infuse some youth and depth at guard in the later rounds of the draft. If the Patriots take that approach, Tevaga would be a good fit. Though he doesn't have great athletic ability, improving his footwork will help dilute that weakness. That's important to remember because Dante Scarnecchia is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league and Tevaga has the work ethic to get better with added experience. Another possibility is Chicago, which could stand to add some depth at guard. On the flipside, San Francisco would not be a good fit for Tevaga now that the 49ers are running new offensive coordinator Mike Martz's scheme.

Small school prospect: Northern Iowa's Chad Rinehart (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12177)

The 320-pound Rinehart has the burst to get into position quickly and delivers a violent punch that can jar defenders, much like McDuffie, but he's far more consistent. Rinehart isn't just an effective drive blocker, either. He's athletic enough to get into position at the second level and hold his own in pass protection once he improves his overall technique and footwork. But there's the problem. Since Rinehart dominated with his natural ability at the Division I-AA level, he hasn't had to be fundamentally sound and is somewhat raw. Two areas of particular concern are his hand placement and ability to stay low coming out of his stance. With all of that in mind, Rinehart could still go as early as the fourth round. Scheme-wise, Kansas City would be a good fit for Rinehart because of how well he moves for his size, but as I said before the Chiefs need a guard who can push for early playing time. They will have to decide whether or not Rinehart can make the transition from Division I-AA to the NFL during his rookie year, and the stakes would be high. If they guess wrong and play him too early it could set him back significantly. Pittsburgh's situation may be better for Rinehart. The Steelers are in a slightly different position after signing Justin Hartwig (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6107) to soften the blow of losing Faneca to the Jets via free agency. With Hartwig on board, the Steelers can afford to bring Rinehart along slower and that could help him exponentially. The Giants are another interesting possibility for similar reasons.




These four guys are projected mid to late rounders. Maybe we can see one of them in the red and gold.

Coach
03-31-2008, 11:20 PM
We could difinitely use another guard. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of these guys on our board if they are around in rds 3+

hermhater
03-31-2008, 11:26 PM
We could difinitely use another guard. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of these guys on our board if they are around in rds 3+

I like the guy from UCLA.

6'2" but sounds like a beast.

Chiefster
03-31-2008, 11:27 PM
We could difinitely use another guard. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of these guys on our board if they are around in rds 3+

Therein lies the real question.

royalswin100games
03-31-2008, 11:30 PM
I like the guy from UCLA.

6'2" but sounds like a beast.

I like Robert Felton based on the description and he's out of the SEC.

hermhater
04-01-2008, 12:11 AM
I like Robert Felton based on the description and he's out of the SEC.

The description makes him sound like he can't pass block and can't make through the 4th quarter!

:11:

royalswin100games
04-01-2008, 12:26 AM
The description makes him sound like he can't pass block and can't make through the 4th quarter!

:11:

Yes there are some negatives but the writer didn't describe any of the others listed as "315 pounds of mean". I want some pissed off lineman on my team that are willing to battle.

The kid out of Northern Iowa looks promising as well. He may not be able to start off the bat, but with work could do well.

hermhater
04-01-2008, 12:37 AM
Yes there are some negatives but the writer didn't describe any of the others listed as "315 pounds of mean". I want some pissed off lineman on my team that are willing to battle.

The kid out of Northern Iowa looks promising as well. He may not be able to start off the bat, but with work could do well.


I'm not holding out too much hope on fixing the line completely this year, but I think we will get at least one starting OT and one guard.

If we get some guy on th D line to help stop the run, and a CB I will be happy.

I have a feeling we are gonna get a QB too, just hope we don't grab one too early.

royalswin100games
04-01-2008, 12:48 AM
I'm not holding out too much hope on fixing the line completely this year, but I think we will get at least one starting OT and one guard.

If we get some guy on th D line to help stop the run, and a CB I will be happy.

I have a feeling we are gonna get a QB too, just hope we don't grab one too early.

CB looks promising, especially when we pick in the 2nd round. DT doesn't look as deep.

I don't know about QB. What round would we go after one? Who would we try to get? There is the Ryan buzz.

I'm still holding out hope for another wideout. I know I keep beating a dead horse with the Royal/Caldwell idea but those guys played for big time programs. That should transfer over well to the NFL. I like Adarius Bowman as well out of Ok St. Dude's 6'2", 223. Wideouts that can run over chumps are always good. All three of those guys should be available in the third round.

OTR Chiefs fan
04-01-2008, 12:58 AM
CB looks promising, especially when we pick in the 2nd round. DT doesn't look as deep.

I don't know about QB. What round would we go after one? Who would we try to get? There is the Ryan buzz.

I'm still holding out hope for another wideout. I know I keep beating a dead horse with the Royal/Caldwell idea but those guys played for big time programs. That should transfer over well to the NFL. I like Adarius Bowman as well out of Ok St. Dude's 6'2", 223. Wideouts that can run over chumps are always good. All three of those guys should be available in the third round.

My thoughts are OT in the 1st, CB in the 2nd, OG/WR in the 3rd, then a QB in the 4th. You know Herm is going to give Croyle a chance, so don't waste a high pick on a QB. I'm not a Herm fan, especially when it comes to game planning and game management. But I feel that he's done a pretty good job in the draft since he's been here. It seems he has an eye for talent. Just my thoughts. :D

royalswin100games
04-01-2008, 12:59 AM
My thoughts are OT in the 1st, CB in the 2nd, OG/WR in the 3rd, then a QB in the 4th. You know Herm is going to give Croyle a chance, so don't waste a high pick on a QB. I'm not a Herm fan, especially when it comes to game planning and game management. But I feel that he's done a pretty good job in the draft since he's been here. It seems he has an eye for talent. Just my thoughts. :D

What about WR IYO?

OTR Chiefs fan
04-01-2008, 01:13 AM
What about WR IYO?

You could probably get a good WR in the 3rd. I would like to see the Chiefs go to free agency to find a WR they could plug in right away. But I don't think that'll happen. I think they're resolved to build through the draft. :D

DMN
04-01-2008, 01:58 AM
I dont think that we should forget that we will most likely draft a TE. I am not sure when though. I think that Dustin Keller kid looks good.

hermhater
04-01-2008, 02:51 AM
I dont think that we should forget that we will most likely draft a TE. I am not sure when though. I think that Dustin Keller kid looks good.

Now why would we do something like that?

We are snapping up TE's that have been converted to FB's like crazy!

Herm will just use them in dual roles!

Seriously though I haven't really heard much about any TE's in our future.

What's with this Dustin Keller kid?

texaschief
04-01-2008, 04:56 AM
here's a few guys i'd keep my eye on during the draft as far as guards go:

Scout reports by Scott Wright

Tony Hills, OT Texas
Strengths:
Excellent size and a big frame with long arms..Terrific athleticism...Has very nimble feet...Good balance and agility...An outstanding pass blocker...Is mobile with good range...Does a nice job in space and can get to the second level...Quick...Uses his hands well...Smart and a hard worker with top-notch intangibles...Still has upside.

Weaknesses:
Not real strong or powerful...Doesn't play with a nasty demeanor and lacks a killer instinct...He isn't stout at the point of attack...Doesn't get a great push in the run game...Has trouble sustaining his blocks....Plays too tall at times and technique is shaky...Inconsistent...A bit of an underachiever..Health and durability is a concern.

Notes:
Was a tight end in high school.(like Waters)..Suffered a career-threatening knee injury in a high school All-Star game that required multiple surgeries and led to him redshirting as a freshman..Backed up Jonathan Scott at left tackle in '04 and '05 before replacing him as a junior...Missed time in '05 with an elbow injury...Broke his left leg late in the 2007 season...Could also move inside to guard at the next level...Is not quite as good of a prospect as Jonathan Scott coming out but is a similar type of player.

Duane Brown OT, VT
Strengths:
Good size and bulk with long arms...Excellent athleticism...Light on his feet...Very quick and moves well....Has terrific balance and agility...Able to get to the second level...Does a nice job in pass pro...Offers some versatility...Still has some upside.

Weaknesses:
Is not real strong or physical...May be a bit of a 'tweener...Plays too tall and does not bend his knees well...Raw and not a great technician...Isn't stout at the point of attack...Gets a marginal push..Lacks a killer instinct...Not a fit for every scheme.

Notes:
Began his Hokie career at tight end...Played right and left tackle during his college career and could also project inside to guard at the pro level..Finesse type whose best fit will likely come in a zone blocking scheme...Developmental prospect and a Workout Warrior with some very intriguing physical tools...Similar to Brandon Frye.

Brandon Keith OT Northern Iowa
Strengths:
Has excellent size and bulk...Long arms...Excellent athleticism...Is very strong and powerful...Mauling run blocker....Is mobile enough to play out in space and get to the second level...Is stout at the point of attack..Versatile..Still has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Very raw when it comes footwork and technique...Intelligence and awareness are question marks...Too aggressive at times...Limited experience...Didn't play against top competition...Durability may be an issue...Has some major character concerns.

Notes:
Was at Oklahoma in 2003 but quit the team and went to Northeastern Oklahoma A&M Junior College in 2004...Was a member of the Sooners football team again in 2005 but did not see action...Missed some time with a knee injury in 2005...A right tackle who could also project to guard at the next level...Chad Rinehart gets more ink but Keith has better physical tools and just might end up being the better pro.

Eric Young OG Tennessee
Strengths:
Very good size and bulk...A good athlete...Quick with good agility...Moves his feet well...Excellent lateral mobility...Good strength and delivers a terrific initial blow...A decent drive blocker..Has displayed the ability to recover when beat..Understands angles...He shows nice awareness...Offers some versatility..Still has some upside.

Weaknesses:
Underachiever who doesn't always play up to his physical tools..Inconsistent with his technique...Not a finisher and lacks a killer instinct...Poor balance...Struggles in space...Won't do much at the second level..Not real powerful or tough...Has some durability concerns....Classic 'tweener who'll be forced to make a position change.

Notes:
Played out of position at left tackle as a senior...Also played right tackle during his college career...Had his senior year ended prematurely after just eight games due to a quad injury...Definitely has some physical tools to work with and could thrive once he's not playing out of position..A little overrated but he has the potential to start at the pro level...Similar to Arron Sears but not nearly as good of a prospect.

Brandon Albert OG Virginia
Strengths:
Excellent size with a big frame and long arms...Fantastic athlete...Good quickness and agility...Strong and physical...Is nasty with a killer instinct...Mobile with decent range to pull and get to the second level...Smart with good awareness...Excellent pass blocker and also gets a decent push in the run game...Real versatile..Leader with great intangibles...Tough and durable..Still improving and has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Still has some work to do in the technique department...Can be inconsistent with his leverage...Motor runs hot and cold at times..Not a dominant run blocker...Has to work on holding his blocks and finishing....He is still relatively new to the game.

Notes:
Did not begin playing football until his junior year of high school in 2002..Was also a standout basketball player as a prep...Stepped in as a true freshman and was a three-year starter for the Cavs ( 36 games )...Named a team captain as a junior in 2007...He started a couple of games at left tackle as a junior in place of an injured Eugene Monroe and could possibly play outside at the pro level as well...First-rate talent with exceptional physical tools....Already a great all-around player however his best days are still ahead...The rare offensive guard who is a legit first rounder.

royalswin100games
04-01-2008, 11:03 AM
I've beaten the dead horse about Albert. I think we should try and get him. Most all the guys you posted will be gone off the board before the guys I posted. It will depend on when CP and Herm decide to draft a guard, if at all.

texaschief
04-02-2008, 01:27 AM
Yeah, the only way i could see us getting Albert is if we trade down and somehow happen to have a pair of first round picks and then we decide to use them both on the line....don't see that happening.

chief31
04-02-2008, 03:10 AM
I've beaten the dead horse about Albert. I think we should try and get him. Most all the guys you posted will be gone off the board before the guys I posted. It will depend on when CP and Herm decide to draft a guard, if at all.

He might slip to us in the second, but he has been climbing up most draft charts lately.