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royalswin100games
04-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Chiefs will see if Hali can fill Allens shoes


By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star




It’s an easy thing to forget now, blotted out as it was by Jared Allen’s breakout season and the monster contract it earned him from the Minnesota Vikings.
But just two seasons ago, Tamba Hali, then a rookie, led the Chiefs in sacks with eight, or one-half more than Allen.
The events of the last year made that feel so long ago to Hali, so long ago that maybe he dreamed it rather than lived it. Though he finished last season with 7 1/2 sacks, Hali was still so far behind the league-leading Allen and his 15 1/2 that he occasionally felt like a failure.
“I used to look at Jared and I’d get frustrated because he’s such a good player, and there were times when I felt I didn’t reach his standard,” Hali said. “He was sacking the quarterback all the time and I wasn’t keeping up with him.”
The trade sending Allen to the Vikings guarantees Hali nothing because the comparisons will still be there. But the Chiefs are trying to boost Hali by moving him into Allen’s vacated position, the traditional spot for a team’s premier pass rusher because the right defensive end usually attacks the quarterback’s blind side.
The Chiefs have to make up Allen’s 15 1/2 sacks from somewhere. They won’t all come from Hali, but they are asking him to again be their leader.
“Tamba Hali is probably the most underrated player in the NFL when it comes to rushing the passer,” defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said. “All people look at is how many times he sacked the quarterback. What they don’t look at is how many times he made the quarterback move. He was a force rushing the passer all year long. I don’t know how many sacks he missed when he tried to strip the ball and the quarterback got away.”
Conventional wisdom was that the Chiefs had to draft an end over the weekend to replace Allen. By the time their first choice rolled around at the fifth pick, the best end, Virginia’s Chris Long, had been taken by St. Louis.
“There were some ends in the draft that we could have had, but at that pick we couldn’t take them,” said coach Herm Edwards, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Ohio State’s Vernon Gholston or Florida’s Derrick Harvey were worth the fifth pick.
“The best player defensively was the guy we took (tackle Glenn Dorsey). From there, you figure out what you’re going to do. We had to move some guys around. We feel good about Tamba. We feel we can put him over there and he’ll be OK.
“He can handle it. I think he’ll enjoy it more.”
Hali was also envious of Allen at times, or at least the position Allen played. There are some advantages to playing on the right side as opposed to the left, where Hali lined up for most of the last two seasons.
Not only does the right end usually attack the quarterback’s blind spot, but he usually has no tight end to contend with. Most teams station the tight end on the right side of the offensive formation.
“It’s kind of like a free hit on the quarterback from that position,” Hali said. “I’m kind of looking forward to it.”
Edwards predicted Hali would finish next season with 11 or 12 sacks. Cunningham wouldn’t commit to a number other than to say Edwards’ guess could be low.
“I’m not going to say Tamba Hali is going to get 15 sacks because he’s playing on the right side,” Cunningham said. “I have to let that play out. The thing we need to find out is how comfortable he’ll feel on the right side. With all of the skills he’s shown, he’s certainly shown he can be a double-digit sack guy over there.
“It’s easier when you come from the right side to do that like Derrick Thomas did it and Jared Allen did it. They were coming from the quarterback’s blind side. When you come from the other side like Tamba’s been doing it, you’re right in the quarterback’s vision. That’s going to help him.”
Hali would have been much closer to Allen’s sack total last year had he finished several sacks that he lost when the quarterback escaped his grasp.
“There’s a lot of pressure on all of us to get the ball out,” he said. “That’s what I usually go for. A lot of times the quarterback got away because I was focused on stripping the ball. I know I’ve got to secure the sack first. I’ll do that more this year.”
The Chiefs aren’t counting on Dorsey to keep up with Hali in the sack race. They are expecting his presence to be imposing and help the other rushers, Hali in particular.
They will unchain him in the middle of their line and hope he chases quarterbacks right to Hali.
“He’s got the power and the athletic skills to make a lineman trying to block him miss,” Cunningham said. “We don’t even know exactly what he can do at this point. I can’t wait to start working with him and we can figure that out.”





I like Hali. I hope he has a pro bowl year and has 16 1/2 sacks to throw it in Jared's face.

jakesmith
04-30-2008, 11:12 AM
I like Hali. I hope he has a pro bowl year and has 16 1/2 sacks to throw it in Jared's face.


Yep, me too and JA only gets about 7 or 8.

I know its a moot point, but think of what it could have been if CP wasn't such an ***. Hali and Allen on the ends. Dorsey up the middle. It almost happened......

Canada
04-30-2008, 11:16 AM
Yep, me too and JA only gets about 7 or 8.

I know its a moot point, but think of what it could have been if CP wasn't such an ***. Hali and Allen on the ends. Dorsey up the middle. It almost happened......

Yeah, but if we kept JA we probably would not have gotten Dorsey. (I assume they would have went O line) but I guess you never know)

derrickjohnsontribute
04-30-2008, 01:05 PM
I don't know man, I think we still would've taken Dorsey. We just would've had to take an O-lineman in round two instead, or trade back into round one.

Hayvern
05-01-2008, 03:50 AM
They spend a lot of time talking about how the right side is so much easier, but one thing only elluded to here is that many times this season, the QB had to run to get away from Hali and ended up in the arms of Allen. There is no stat for that for Hali.

I really do hope Hali gets his breakout season next year so we can watch him be wisked away like Allen.

hermhater
05-01-2008, 03:54 AM
They spend a lot of time talking about how the right side is so much easier, but one thing only elluded to here is that many times this season, the QB had to run to get away from Hali and ended up in the arms of Allen. There is no stat for that for Hali.

I really do hope Hali gets his breakout season next year so we can watch him be wisked away like Allen.

QB's rarely run backwards.

Are you reading the internets with a mirror?

:biggrin:

tornadospotter
05-01-2008, 04:12 AM
Tamba is going to be the new RED AND GOLD TORNADO!!!!

hermhater
05-01-2008, 04:18 AM
Tamba is going to be the new RED AND GOLD TORNADO!!!!

Hell yeah!

:beer:

chief31
05-01-2008, 04:31 AM
Tamba is going to be the new RED AND GOLD TORNADO!!!!


All I can say is "I hope so".

hermhater
05-01-2008, 04:32 AM
All I can say is "I hope so".

What if I said "I doubt it"?

chief31
05-01-2008, 04:35 AM
What if I said "I doubt it"?

Then I would be glad that someone else said it. I am tired of sounding like the bad guy.

tornadospotter
05-01-2008, 04:39 AM
All I can say is "I hope so".
Have faith!

What if I said "I doubt it"?
You need faith!

hermhater
05-01-2008, 04:48 AM
Then I would be glad that someone else said it. I am tired of sounding like the bad guy.

Then I will be the bad guy with you then.

The opinion about Albert being a pick that was a "Here I took an O lineman, so shut the he77 up" was flawed to me.

I believe that it was amazing that Dorsey fell to us, and he was the obvious choice with the number five pick.

If we are talking trades then I still think we made the right choice by taking him at 5.

I don't want to get into the trading down scenarios that happened before the draft, but I am happy we traded up for Albert.

This is obviously the draft of the Decade for the Chiefs and Herm and Carl are going to be finally realized as geniuses.

Seriously though, we might be a tackle, and a CB short of a Championship team.

hermhater
05-01-2008, 04:52 AM
Have faith!

You need faith!

I have faith man, I have faith!

:yahoo:

tornadospotter
05-01-2008, 04:55 AM
Then I will be the bad guy with you then.

The opinion about Albert being a pick that was a "Here I took an O lineman, so shut the he77 up" was flawed to me.

I believe that it was amazing that Dorsey fell to us, and he was the obvious choice with the number five pick.

If we are talking trades then I still think we made the right choice by taking him at 5.

I don't want to get into the trading down scenarios that happened before the draft, but I am happy we traded up for Albert.

This is obviously the draft of the Decade for the Chiefs and Herm and Carl are going to be finally realized as geniuses.

Seriously though, we might be a tackle, and a CB short of a Championship team.
Time will tell, but I think it is going to be fun watching this years draft choices develop! I also think we are going to win! I will not predict, you already know that I will not predict to lose.

Three7s
05-01-2008, 05:33 AM
Then I will be the bad guy with you then.

The opinion about Albert being a pick that was a "Here I took an O lineman, so shut the he77 up" was flawed to me.

I believe that it was amazing that Dorsey fell to us, and he was the obvious choice with the number five pick.

If we are talking trades then I still think we made the right choice by taking him at 5.

I don't want to get into the trading down scenarios that happened before the draft, but I am happy we traded up for Albert.

This is obviously the draft of the Decade for the Chiefs and Herm and Carl are going to be finally realized as geniuses.

Seriously though, we might be a tackle, and a CB short of a Championship team.
Well, thing is, right now our team is EXTREMELY young. It's hard to win with a young team, even with all of that talent. I can see scenarios where our record could be as high as 10-6, or as low as 5-11. A lot of it is gonna depend on luck, a lot of it will depend on Croyle.

m0ef0e
05-01-2008, 12:24 PM
Jared left some pretty big shoes to fill but have you guys seen the size of Tamba's feet!?

Even if Hali doesn't put up the numbers that Allen did, he still should do well, IMO. He's a good player and has great character-- really the kind of guy that you want to watch because of the things he has been through and the character that he has developed as a result. Hearing the story of where he's come from and getting to where he is now is uplifting. He is a good role model and a good example of what perseverance and a little modesty can do for somebody. Guys like Tamba are too few and far-between in pro sports anymore.

rbedgood
05-03-2008, 04:03 PM
All I can say is "I hope so".


Have faith!



What if I said "I doubt it"?



You need to grow!


FYP....

nigeriannightmare
05-04-2008, 12:56 PM
Well, thing is, right now our team is EXTREMELY young. It's hard to win with a young team, even with all of that talent. I can see scenarios where our record could be as high as 10-6, or as low as 5-11. A lot of it is gonna depend on luck, a lot of it will depend on Croyle.


A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON THE COACHING OF THE GREAT HERM EDWARDS.

hermhater
05-04-2008, 03:16 PM
A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON THE COACHING OF THE GREAT HERM EDWARDS.

This is the year he pulls his head out of his *** and lets his coordinators do their job!

:yahoo:

Coach
05-04-2008, 05:45 PM
I don't know man, I think we still would've taken Dorsey. We just would've had to take an O-lineman in round two instead, or trade back into round one.

I think the Chiefs would have been a fool not to take Dorsey.




Seriously though, we might be a tackle, and a CB short of a Championship team.

How about a QB short?

Canada
05-04-2008, 05:57 PM
I think the Chiefs would have been a fool not to take Dorsey.



How about a QB short?

:lol: did you just call HH short, or do you mean we are short a QB?? :lol:

Ldub
05-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Tamba, Croyle, and many more have all got the shot. We got to wait and see who floats and who sinks. Im more worryed about Boone on the other end than Tamba, but maybe thats just me...

chief31
05-05-2008, 11:20 AM
Tamba, Croyle, and many more have all got the shot. We got to wait and see who floats and who sinks. Im more worryed about Boone on the other end than Tamba, but maybe thats just me...

You are not alone. Aside from losing the play-making ability of Allen, for Hali, we also lose what Hali was doing on the other side, for a DT, who will be playing out of position. (A common theme with Herm.)

Basically, we are now going to have a d-line that consists of 3-1/2 DTs. Great for slowing the opposing running game (I hope), but not so great for hurrying their passing attempts.

But, just like last year, there is plenty to be hopeful for. Maybe Gunny and Herm can duplicate the '06 bears' type of success at getting pressure through stunts, and getting pressure from everywhere on the d-line.

hermhater
05-05-2008, 04:05 PM
You are not alone. Aside from losing the play-making ability of Allen, for Hali, we also lose what Hali was doing on the other side, for a DT, who will be playing out of position. (A common theme with Herm.)

Basically, we are now going to have a d-line that consists of 3-1/2 DTs. Great for slowing the opposing running game (I hope), but not so great for hurrying their passing attempts.

But, just like last year, there is plenty to be hopeful for. Maybe Gunny and Herm can duplicate the '06 bears' type of success at getting pressure through stunts, and getting pressure from everywhere on the d-line.

Plenty to be hopeful for is right!

Let's watch our new D tear up some opposing teams!!!

:yahoo:

AkChief49
05-05-2008, 09:05 PM
Basically, we are now going to have a d-line that consists of 3-1/2 DTs. Great for slowing the opposing running game (I hope), but not so great for hurrying their passing attempts.

which we ranked 31st in last year:D

royalswin100games
05-05-2008, 11:28 PM
You are not alone. Aside from losing the play-making ability of Allen, for Hali, we also lose what Hali was doing on the other side, for a DT, who will be playing out of position. (A common theme with Herm.)

Basically, we are now going to have a d-line that consists of 3-1/2 DTs. Great for slowing the opposing running game (I hope), but not so great for hurrying their passing attempts.

But, just like last year, there is plenty to be hopeful for. Maybe Gunny and Herm can duplicate the '06 bears' type of success at getting pressure through stunts, and getting pressure from everywhere on the d-line.

Maybe we can send DJ more often. He's got the speed.