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DrunkHillbilly
05-28-2008, 06:57 PM
So I see LJ is ready and eager to get back in the swing of things. What are some early predictions for his yardage this coming seasons?

DMN
05-28-2008, 07:22 PM
So I see LJ is ready and eager to get back in the swing of things. What are some early predictions for his yardage this coming seasons?

Though I do think that it is too early to judge.... what the hell. It is the off season and there isnt anything else to do. I think that we really have the comings of a good offense in the next few years. We are sure to see lots of two tight end sets, so if we establish a fullback I believe we will be watching the LJ of old. Not to mention the versatility of Charles. I would live to see some screen passes to him behind our giant receiving core.

All in all if healthy I say LJ will have around a 1200 yard season.

With that i leave you bananas hittin it doggy style

:bananen_smilies011:

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 07:35 PM
So I see LJ is ready and eager to get back in the swing of things. What are some early predictions for his yardage this coming seasons?

Yes, it is entirely too early for this. :D
















That is all.

Chief from the North
05-28-2008, 08:23 PM
So I see LJ is ready and eager to get back in the swing of things. What are some early predictions for his yardage this coming seasons?

Slightly early, but hell...it's a slow news day :)
So, I'm going with...broken bone in foot from carrying fat wallet. Loses starting job to Kolby or Charles.
Seriously though, he ran GREAT when he was pissed off. Now he has no reason to be pissed off so he has no drive. He looked like a high school player out there last year...before the injury. I'm going to say 750 yards and it becomes a season of running back by committee.

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 08:35 PM
Slightly early, but hell...it's a slow news day :)
So, I'm going with...broken bone in foot from carrying fat wallet. Loses starting job to Kolby or Charles.
Seriously though, he ran GREAT when he was pissed off. Now he has no reason to be pissed off so he has no drive. He looked like a high school player out there last year...before the injury. I'm going to say 750 yards and it becomes a season of running back by committee.

This sounds incredibly believable and insightful. :sign0098:

tornadospotter
05-28-2008, 08:49 PM
Slightly early, but hell...it's a slow news day :)
So, I'm going with...broken bone in foot from carrying fat wallet. Loses starting job to Kolby or Charles.
Seriously though, he ran GREAT when he was pissed off. Now he has no reason to be pissed off so he has no drive. He looked like a high school player out there last year...before the injury. I'm going to say 750 yards and it becomes a season of running back by committee.
I hope you are wrong, but I am :scared2: that you are not!
If Kolby and Charles start playing well and LJ gets pissed, then maybe he will return to form!

rbedgood
05-28-2008, 09:04 PM
Remember LJ was coming in after a hold-out also...and was behind a new and diminished O-line...I'll guess 1100 yards and 9 TDs for LJ

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 10:08 PM
Remember LJ was coming in after a hold-out also...and was behind a new and diminished O-line...I'll guess 1100 yards and 9 TDs for LJ

Good point, but it just seemed to me that he lacked some of the intensity he displayed in the previous years.

royalswin100games
05-28-2008, 10:13 PM
I'll agree with about 1100 if he can stand after 4 or 5 games. I'll say 11 TDs. IMO, Charles and Smith will be used more in the middle of the field.

My "dream" would be to see LJ/Charles or LJ/Smith/Charles end up like Taylor/Jones-Drew.

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 10:17 PM
I'll agree with about 1100 if he can stand after 4 or 5 games. I'll say 11 TDs. IMO, Charles and Smith will be used more in the middle of the field.

My "dream" would be to see LJ/Charles or LJ/Smith/Charles end up like Taylor/Jones-Drew.

Isn't that where LJ is most effective?

chief31
05-28-2008, 10:29 PM
Remember LJ was coming in after a hold-out also...and was behind a new and diminished O-line...I'll guess 1100 yards and 9 TDs for LJ

And this years o-line....

I'm gonna lean toward 750 YDs. Especially since I believe that we will be giving a sreious look to Smith and maybe even Charles. :D

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 10:39 PM
And this years o-line....

I'm gonna lean toward 750 YDs. Especially since I believe that we will be giving a sreious look to Smith and maybe even Charles. :D

Good point; to say it is still highly suspect is an understatement. I am just clinging to hope that it'll show some much needed improvement this year.

royalswin100games
05-28-2008, 10:49 PM
Isn't that where LJ is most effective?

I would think you would take a shot at the homerun with Charles more towards the middle of the field. I think LJ will get the majority of the carries but I would also think you would use the pounder closer to the end zone.

Chiefster
05-28-2008, 10:57 PM
I would think you would take a shot at the homerun with Charles more towards the middle of the field. I think LJ will get the majority of the carries but I would also think you would use the pounder closer to the end zone.

Good point; I wonder how well LJ's ego will take getting the ball inside the ten or the five only to come out of the game and let someone else finish it off? I know he has got his big payday contract but it just seems to me that this was the kind of thing that he got his nose all bent out of shape with before. Although, perhaps it could be just the very thing to get him running angry again. :D

AkChief49
05-28-2008, 11:04 PM
Remember LJ was coming in after a hold-out also...and was behind a new and diminished O-line...I'll guess 1100 yards and 9 TDs for LJ
I might even go with 1300yds. I think Kolby and Charles give him that push this year. The O line can not be worse than it was last year!!:D( good lord, can it be?:lol:)

Coach
05-28-2008, 11:25 PM
I like LJ for about 900. Kolby for about 200. Charles for about 500.

Chiefster
05-29-2008, 07:36 PM
I like LJ for about 900. Kolby for about 200. Charles for about 500.

I think that sounds probable given Herms run, run, pass, punt offense.

greg3564
05-29-2008, 08:24 PM
I think that sounds probable given Herms run, run, pass, punt offense.


No, that wasn't Herm's fault. It was Solari's, remember?

Solari was thrown under the bus, so I wonder who gets the blame when the play calling comes under fire this year? It won't really matter, because Herm will just remind us "to get over it."

Chiefster
05-29-2008, 08:27 PM
No, that wasn't Herm's fault. It was Solari's, remember?

Solari was thrown under the bus, so I wonder who gets the blame when the play calling comes under fire this year? It won't really matter, because Herm will just remind us "to get over it."

You're right; I had forgotten. :rolleyes:

royalswin100games
05-29-2008, 10:30 PM
No, that wasn't Herm's fault. It was Solari's, remember?

Solari was thrown under the bus, so I wonder who gets the blame when the play calling comes under fire this year? It won't really matter, because Herm will just remind us "to get over it."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/640131.html

Chan's gonna run the ball as much as he can.

Pro_Angler
05-29-2008, 10:58 PM
I believe that ir will be a commity running back scenerio this year. i don't believe he is 100% healthy. I am actually sick of him honestly. before the money he worked his ars off and they crapper!!

SomewhereoverDwayneBowe
05-29-2008, 10:58 PM
So I see LJ is ready and eager to get back in the swing of things. What are some early predictions for his yardage this coming seasons?
LJ's season will depend on these conditions.

1) His attitude. He should Be in camp this year. He has his money. No excuses. Lay off the rap and play football Larry!
2) The condition of the revamped O-line. no explanation needed.
3) His health. There was a lot of mystery surrounding his injury last year. I'm not convinced we can quit worrying about it.

tammietailgator
05-30-2008, 12:57 AM
I agree, but I also think that a lot depends on how well LJ and Brody jive this year! Which I think they are going to do very well this year. (crossing my fingers)

Chiefster
05-30-2008, 06:10 PM
LJ's season will depend on these conditions.

1) His attitude. He should Be in camp this year. He has his money. No excuses. Lay off the rap and play football Larry!
2) The condition of the revamped O-line. no explanation needed.
3) His health. There was a lot of mystery surrounding his injury last year. I'm not convinced we can quit worrying about it.


Agreed, although I think his foot should be all better by now.

m0ef0e
05-31-2008, 12:59 PM
I hope LJ's success last season (or lack thereof) was enough to knock him down a notch. He seems to be better when he is humbled by someone or something and is motivated to prove otherwise.

hermhater
05-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Though I do think that it is too early to judge.... what the hell. It is the off season and there isnt anything else to do. I think that we really have the comings of a good offense in the next few years. We are sure to see lots of two tight end sets, so if we establish a fullback I believe we will be watching the LJ of old. Not to mention the versatility of Charles. I would live to see some screen passes to him behind our giant receiving core.

All in all if healthy I say LJ will have around a 1200 yard season.

With that i leave you bananas hittin it doggy style

:bananen_smilies011:

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/images/imported/2008/04/254.jpg

hermhater
05-31-2008, 01:22 PM
LJ will rush for 1,348 yards.

greg3564
05-31-2008, 03:30 PM
I think this will be LJ's last year as a Chief. My prediction is he'll play about 60% of of the running with Jamal Charles picking up the rest. Charles is a more versatile runner who shares similarities with Priest Holmes and is nimble and able to cut back and change direction. The guy is so damn fast he is rarely caught once he breaks containment.

Herm and Carl are going younger and the philosophy is to rebuild and be a contender is two to three more seasons. LJ will be 29 this November and will be nearing the end of his career when the team will be ready for post season play in two to three years. I see him getting traded after this season is done.

Charles is the real deal and is fast as lightning. His only fault while at Texas was fumbling. The coaches worked with him and this last season he had excellent ball control.


With the 2007 Texas Longhorn football team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Texas_Longhorn_football_team), Charles rushed for 1,619 yards and 18 touchdowns, with an average of more than six yards per carry. Early in the season, Mack Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_Brown) and Greg Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Davis_%28American_football%29) hinted that Jamaal Charles could face less playing time as a result of his fumbling problems.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaal_Charles#cite_note-Brown_no_luck-5) Charles says that he feels a deep remorse over his fumbles and feels that he is the biggest reason the team lost to the Oklahoma Sooners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Oklahoma_Sooners_football_team) in the 2007 Red River Shootout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Shootout). Texas running backs coach Ken Rucker and former Longhorn running back Earl Campbell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Campbell) have both worked with Charles on his ball handling. Greg Davis said he wants to get the ball to Charles "in space", on pitches and passes, instead of in heavy traffic up the center.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaal_Charles#cite_note-6)

On October 28, 2007, Charles rushed for 290 yards, the most ever against the Nebraska Cornhuskers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Cornhuskers) and the fourth-highest total in Texas Longhorns history. His 216 yards in the fourth quarter were just six shy of the NCAA record for a single quarter set by the University of Washington Huskies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies_football)'s Corey Dillon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Dillon) in 1996. For these accomplishments, Charles won a fan vote for AT&T All-America Player of the Week.

Despite skipping his senior year, Charles ranks fourth in the list of total-rushing yards by a UT player, behind Ricky Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Williams), Cedric Benson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Benson), and Earl Campbell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Campbell), with 3,328 yards. Williams and Campbell each won the Heisman Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy) in their senior season. With Charles' departure, quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback)Colt McCoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_McCoy) becomes the leading returning rusher for the Longhorns.


YouTube - Jamaal Charles 86 Yard TD run vs. Nebraska

royalswin100games
05-31-2008, 03:47 PM
I don't think Carl will trade him(crossing my fingers that Carl is fired). Carl will make the fans suffer for the long term deal mistake.

That being said, I hope LJ can return to his old form this season.

greg3564
05-31-2008, 03:52 PM
YouTube - Jamal Charles 80yd TD Run against o.u.

Nel Toille
06-10-2008, 01:51 PM
Isn't that where LJ is most effective?

That's what I was thinking... Charles should be used more on the outside with sweeps and whatnot (Something they didn't do during mini-camp and it was a little disapointing). Like Holmes, that's where he seems to be the most effective.

I thought all of the running backs looked great in Mini-Camp... even Jackie Battle. He's a big guy who's got great forward speed. He can knock people around too.

We should seriously consider dangling LJ in the face of Chicago's front office. They're in desperate need of a proven back, amongst other things, right now. After Johnson got his big contract last year, all us chiefs fans were complaining because we knew we'd never be able to trade him. I think the Bears would actually be willing to take him. Many of their fans think they screwed up again by taking Forte in the second round when they had better options in that position. This could be Chicago's chance to make up for Benson and it would make signing our first three picks a lot easier in the coming weeks/months.

rbedgood
06-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Not likely to happen...although the Bears would likely pay the money, they wouldn't give up the players to make the trade balanced.

greg3564
06-10-2008, 06:05 PM
Not likely to happen...although the Bears would likely pay the money, they wouldn't give up the players to make the trade balanced.

Not to mention the Bears just got rid of their version of LJ, a RB contract hold out with a piss poor attitude. The Bears were looking for a reason to dump Benson and Benson hung himself.

Chiefster
06-10-2008, 07:36 PM
That's what I was thinking... Charles should be used more on the outside with sweeps and whatnot (Something they didn't do during mini-camp and it was a little disapointing). Like Holmes, that's where he seems to be the most effective.

I thought all of the running backs looked great in Mini-Camp... even Jackie Battle. He's a big guy who's got great forward speed. He can knock people around too.

We should seriously consider dangling LJ in the face of Chicago's front office. They're in desperate need of a proven back, amongst other things, right now. After Johnson got his big contract last year, all us chiefs fans were complaining because we knew we'd never be able to trade him. I think the Bears would actually be willing to take him. Many of their fans think they screwed up again by taking Forte in the second round when they had better options in that position. This could be Chicago's chance to make up for Benson and it would make signing our first three picks a lot easier in the coming weeks/months.


Agreed, I wonder what the chances of a double back set would be.


Not likely to happen...although the Bears would likely pay the money, they wouldn't give up the players to make the trade balanced.

Yup, although I'm not convinced that Chicago picks up his contract.

Chiefster
06-10-2008, 07:38 PM
Not to mention the Bears just got rid of their version of LJ, a RB contract hold out with a piss poor attitude. The Bears were looking for a reason to dump Benson and Benson hung himself.

Astutely put! :D

Coach
06-12-2008, 11:26 PM
Not likely to happen...although the Bears would likely pay the money, they wouldn't give up the players to make the trade balanced.

Who do you think the Chiefs would try to get in a trade with the Bears for LJ?

rbedgood
06-13-2008, 12:20 AM
Who do you think the Chiefs would try to get in a trade with the Bears for LJ?

That's the problem...the players that would be considered "equitable" to LJ, would probably be untouchable...they have a half dozen studs on defense, as well as Hester...but I don't see the Bears offering anything but draft picks, and the Chiefs can't take that trade as it would put too much pressure on a young QB and the O-line to perform with an unproven RB.

milkman
06-18-2008, 10:16 PM
Agreed, I wonder what the chances of a double back set would be.



Yup, although I'm not convinced that Chicago picks up his contract.

It doesn't matter.

LJ is in the second year of a 5 year contract, and the bears would pick up the annual salary on his contract, but the reamaining signing bonus would accelerate to this year on the Chiefs cap.

I don't remember what his signing bonus was, and I know that the Chiefs have a lot of cap space, but I'm pretty sure that that bonus acceleration would take a big chunk of that cap space.

Trading LJ is not an option at this time.

rbedgood
06-19-2008, 01:21 PM
It doesn't matter.

LJ is in the second year of a 5 year contract, and the bears would pick up the annual salary on his contract, but the reamaining signing bonus would accelerate to this year on the Chiefs cap.

I don't remember what his signing bonus was, and I know that the Chiefs have a lot of cap space, but I'm pretty sure that that bonus acceleration would take a big chunk of that cap space.

Trading LJ is not an option at this time.

This is true...trading a player with a big contract is nearly impossible in the first half of the contract.

milkman
06-19-2008, 07:48 PM
That's what I was thinking... Charles should be used more on the outside with sweeps and whatnot (Something they didn't do during mini-camp and it was a little disapointing). Like Holmes, that's where he seems to be the most effective.

I thought all of the running backs looked great in Mini-Camp... even Jackie Battle. He's a big guy who's got great forward speed. He can knock people around too.

We should seriously consider dangling LJ in the face of Chicago's front office. They're in desperate need of a proven back, amongst other things, right now. After Johnson got his big contract last year, all us chiefs fans were complaining because we knew we'd never be able to trade him. I think the Bears would actually be willing to take him. Many of their fans think they screwed up again by taking Forte in the second round when they had better options in that position. This could be Chicago's chance to make up for Benson and it would make signing our first three picks a lot easier in the coming weeks/months.

I overlooked this post.

I think many people are underrating Charles.

He displayed good vision at Texas, and he is pretty cut physically, this without hitting the weights as regularly as most football players because of his track obligations.

In a couple of years, with regular weight training, he could put on a couple lbs of muscle without losing speed, and he'll be a guy that can run it inside or outside.

Seek
06-20-2008, 01:38 PM
I overlooked this post.

I think many people are underrating Charles.

He displayed good vision at Texas, and he is pretty cut physically, this without hitting the weights as regularly as most football players because of his track obligations.

In a couple of years, with regular weight training, he could put on a couple lbs of muscle without losing speed, and he'll be a guy that can run it inside or outside.

I haven't watched Charles play, but someone the other day compared him to Derrick Blaylock. Would that be accurate?

milkman
06-21-2008, 08:37 AM
I haven't watched Charles play, but someone the other day compared him to Derrick Blaylock. Would that be accurate?

It's a fair comparison, though I think Charles is a bit stronger and more physical.

tornadospotter
06-21-2008, 09:05 AM
It's a fair comparison, though I think Charles is a bit stronger and more physical.
I kinda think Charles looks like a M. Allen type of running back!

milkman
06-21-2008, 09:49 AM
I kinda think Charles looks like a M. Allen type of running back!

You know, people hate it when comparison's are drawn between former stars and players that haven't established themselves, but when I watch Charles, I see a guy with Priest Holmes potential.

He has that same kind of vision and elusiveness, and now that he no longer has any track obligations, with some work in the weight room, he can run with the same kind of power.

Add his speed to the mix, and "Wow!".

Chiefster
06-21-2008, 10:53 AM
I kinda think Charles looks like a M. Allen type of running back!


Marcus Allen was more elusive then physical.

milkman
06-21-2008, 11:29 AM
Marcus Allen was more elusive then physical.

Allen was both physical and elusive.

The thing that was amazing about Allen was his ability to make a thin crease in the line look like a huge hole.

Chiefster
06-21-2008, 11:32 AM
Allen was both physical and elusive.

The thing that was amazing about Allen was his ability to make a thin crease in the line look like a huge hole.


...And his ability to avoid taking a direct hit which helped prolong his career; that and riding the bench in Oakland. IMO