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rbedgood
05-30-2008, 02:06 PM
The biggest point in the whole article is probably the endorsement from new OC Chan Gailey...



http://www.kansascity.com:80/sports/chiefs/story/641996.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/641996.html)

Croyle knows he still needs to win over Chiefs

By RANDY COVITZ

The Kansas City Star

All it takes is a simple word for Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle to spring into action.
Colt. Pony. Dragon.
Any of those words describe a play, the protection and the formation in the Chiefs’ new offense. Having to say just one word in the huddle has lifted a burden in Croyle’s bid to establish himself as the team’s starting quarterback.
He’s not bogged down by the wordiness and complicated terminology that often leads to mistakes and interceptions.
“I really like the offense,” Croyle said Thursday after the Chiefs completed their second week of the on-field portion of their offseason program. “I’m very comfortable, surprisingly. The reads are pretty clear right now for us.
“It’s a pretty simple offense. It’s giving guys the chance to go out and play, not a whole lot of thinking about it, just go out and line up and go.”
Croyle, a third-round draft pick in 2006, was given every chance to win the starting job last year. The club cleared the way by trading veteran Trent Green and gave Croyle an inside track during the preseason.
But he performed poorly in the preseason, allowing veteran backup Damon Huard to open the season and start the first eight of nine games. Once the season was out of hand, Croyle started six of the final seven games — all losses in a 4-12 season — though in fairness he was handicapped by a dilapidated offensive line and absence of running back Larry Johnson.
This year, the job is again Croyle’s to lose. And he’s not about to let another opportunity slip through his fingers.
“I didn’t win the job last year when I wanted to,” Croyle said. “It obviously was not the right time. We got some games under our belt last year, and we’re ready to go.
“This offense gives me a chance to be patient and more consistent … make the right reads and don’t try and force things. Everybody when they get in there, they want to make big plays and win a bunch of games. Usually when you do that, you get yourself in trouble and throw interceptions and bad things happen.”
The Chiefs gave Croyle an enormous vote of confidence when they did not take a quarterback with any of their 12 draft picks. Head coach Herm Edwards senses a different demeanor in Croyle, 25.
“He’s been pretty consistent in throwing the football … a lot more confident than he’s ever been around here,” Edwards said. “He’s feeling he’s the quarterback and that’s a good thing.
“The offense is very similar to what he’s run before. He likes the names of how we (call plays). It gives him an opportunity to do some things at the line of scrimmage where he can get out of the play. He can handle all that.”
Durability has been another issue that has dogged Croyle throughout his career, including high school and college. He missed one start because of a back injury and left another game because of a hand injury. Edwards is convinced a better supporting cast will keep Croyle in one piece.
And new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey is confident a healthy Croyle can be a franchise-type quarterback.
“There’s no question in my mind he can be that guy,” Gailey said emphatically. “There’s no question.”
While Croyle would have to play absolutely dreadfully in training camp to lose the starting job to Huard or second-year man Tyler Thigpen, he realizes this won’t be his team until he leads the Chiefs to some victories.
Croyle has played in just one victory in a Chiefs uniform, when he mopped up the last two possessions of a 41-0 rout of San Francisco in the third week of his rookie season. Since then, he’s appeared in 10 games, all losses.
“When we go out and start winning football games, that’s the first time people will start believing,” he said when asked whether he feels this is his team.
“As good of (practices) and minicamps as I can possibly have, and even a great training camp and even a great preseason, it doesn’t really mean much until you win some football games.
“You don’t call it your team or huddle until you win.”

greg3564
05-30-2008, 05:37 PM
I think Croyle will do fine. The guy was thrown to the wolves last season amid the total collapse of a football team. I don't think anyone else with the same experience level would have done any better under those circumstances.

YZILLA
05-30-2008, 05:51 PM
Honestly I dont think Anyone would have done any better with the horrible blocking we gave last year. You cannot throw from your back foot all day and then be accurate after picking yourself up off the ground after evry play.That situation would have made Farve, Brady, Manning look like a rookie in his first game.

Chiefster
05-30-2008, 06:44 PM
I think Croyle will do fine. The guy was thrown to the wolves last season amid the total collapse of a football team. I don't think anyone else with the same experience level would have done any better under those circumstances.


Absolutely agree, and I hope you're right about his performance on the field. :bananen_smilies046:

spiman
05-30-2008, 10:22 PM
Not sold on Croyle. Prove me wrong this year..Dude..:049-Skill06:
From someone who is still crying over not drafting a young QB Like:Aaron Rodgers, Brady Quinn, or Matt Ryan. I think these three will be good QB's in this league.

chief31
05-30-2008, 10:30 PM
I am hopeful that Croyle will be able to overcome Herm Edwards, but I doubt it. At some point, Herm is going to throw him under the bus for not being able to block for himself. That's if he is able to remain healthy.

Chiefster
05-30-2008, 11:53 PM
I am hopeful that Croyle will be able to overcome Herm Edwards, but I doubt it. At some point, Herm is going to throw him under the bus for not being able to block for himself. That's if he is able to remain healthy.

Same here dude.

m0ef0e
05-31-2008, 01:55 PM
I think Herm secretly hates QB's because he used to be a D-back.

Chiefster
05-31-2008, 05:43 PM
I think Herm secretly hates QB's because he used to be a D-back.

That explains it! It's all so clear now! :D

tornadospotter
05-31-2008, 10:46 PM
I think Herm secretly hates QB's because he used to be a D-back.


That explains it! It's all so clear now! :D
Maybe!:D
I hope that Croyle comes out and totally wins the QB position in camp. If not then he will never be the QB for our team! :11:

chief31
06-03-2008, 08:07 PM
I think that Croyles future depends primarily on Branden Albert.

Coach
06-03-2008, 08:35 PM
Do or die time for Croyle. The OL changes will either make or break him in my opinion. If the OL can protect the pass and run block, then he will get a fair shot. Otherwise, he'll be a scapegoat.

Chiefster
06-03-2008, 08:38 PM
Do or die time for Croyle. The OL changes will either make or break him in my opinion. If the OL can protect the pass and run block, then he will get a fair shot. Otherwise, he'll be a scapegoat.

Yup! ...Couldn't have said it better, not that - that is saying anything.

Pro_Angler
06-03-2008, 09:57 PM
I've said it all along brodie wasn't the problem!!!!!

CHIEFCANNON
06-04-2008, 09:24 AM
IF.. Brodie has a brain... this is his water shed year. Even without experience of the past, this years line is better without one snap. That adds the pressure to perform and become the leader of the Beatles I ... mean Chiefs... loose that fricken hair cut.

chief31
06-04-2008, 11:57 AM
IF.. Brodie has a brain... this is his water shed year. Even without experience of the past, this years line is better without one snap. That adds the pressure to perform and become the leader of the Beatles I ... mean Chiefs... loose that fricken hair cut.

I think the o-line is about the same. (Without a snap.)

We lost three staters, and added one rookie and some more leftovers. But the offensive numbers can't get much worse, so it is almost guaranteed that those numbers will imrove, and make the unit look improved.

Unless I see some of the young guys that we already had on the team starting soon, (Svtek, Taylor, Stallings) then it is still just another band of wash-outs and a rookie, playing out of position.

AKA <Herm Edwards Special>

tornadospotter
06-04-2008, 12:16 PM
Six Games In

Jun 04, 2008, 9:23:46 AM by Bob Gretz (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/bob_gretz/) - FAQ (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/01/19/bob_gretz_faq/)



A milepost for evaluating NFL quarterbacks does not usually include a stop at the six-start marker.
But that’s where Brodie Croyle sits as he prepares for the 2008 season. So that’s where we will frame our epistle for today.
What can we tell after six starts? Not much really, especially when those starts come on a team playing as poorly as the Chiefs were in the second half of the 2007 season. But football presents us with plenty of numbers. And, where there are statistics, there are comparisons.
Let’s start with Croyle’s numbers for his first six NFL starts:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/2D2C1445301B45BFAE6BE7AB46CFF3B1.GIF?0.82014002993 74301
The most glaring number in Croyle’s resume right now is the team’s 0-6 record. It’s unfair that the starting quarterback bears the burden for a team’s record, but that’s the facts of life in pro football. Croyle’s five touchdown passes to five interceptions is a pretty good ratio for a young quarterback making his first starts. Overall, Croyle’s numbers are not the kind of statistics that impress fans and pundits.
But would those fans and pundits feel differently after looking at the statistics for the first six starts of Eli Manning’s career with the New York Giants? Here they are.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/6BD2567397DA451EB9B2A6CE0BF8234E.GIF?0.12903540126 79833
Three seasons before he became the quarterback of the Super Bowl champion Giants, three years before he was acclaimed around the country for his remarkable direction of the New York offense to the winning score in the final quarter in Arizona, Manning was in a similar spot as Croyle. All through that 2004 season, then 2005, 2006 and even into the 2007 season, fans and pundits were convinced Manning was a bust. Against Minnesota in late November last year, Manning hit just 21 of 49 passes with four interceptions in a 24-point loss to the Vikings. The boo birds and second-guessers were all over him and the Giants.
Two months later, he was taking the G-Men to a title.
Would the doubters feel differently about Croyle after seeing the stats for the first six starts of Peyton Manning’s career with Indianapolis? Here they are:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/EB1BDFBBEC1E4EEA8882AE681D63DE01.GIF?0.01155655016 715429
Peyton Manning was the No. 1 player taken in the 1998 NFL Draft. He came off a record setting career at the University of Tennessee and was generally considered a can’t miss pro quarterback prospect. That didn’t make his transition any easier. Just look at those 14 interceptions in his first six starts. Manning threw 14 interceptions in 16 games last season; his career average over 10 years has been 15.3 interceptions per season.
And would it matter in the evaluation of Croyle after seeing the numbers thrown up by Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger in his first half-dozen NFL starts? Here are those statistics:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/ECED50873D114D7D89DD1C61AD0CF703.GIF?0.74680478437 5515
Roethlisberger was a first-round selection in the 2004 NFL Draft and quickly became the Steelers starting quarterback in that rookie season, replacing Tommy Maddox after two games. The Steelers finished the season 15-1, the best record in the NFL that year, although they lost the AFC Championship Game to New England.
Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning and Eli Manning were the starting quarterbacks for the last three Super Bowl championship teams. Like Croyle, the Mannings first starts came with a rebuilding team. Roethlisberger was luckier in his NFL lottery, landing with a veteran team, one that was especially strong on defense.
Let’s visit more distant NFL history. Here are Troy Aikman’s numbers for his first six starts with the Dallas Cowboys:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/B9DB6A10571D4A91B3526B0E18D5CD08.GIF?0.98037268500 56079
Aikman was the quarterback on three Super Bowl teams with the Cowboys and joined the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2006.
How about the old Chiefs killer, Denver’s John Elway. Here are his first six NFL starts:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/5AB9DCE479EC42839FAEED27C7C5DC82.GIF?0.84067130190 00603
Elway was the quarterback on a pair of Super Bowl championship teams and joined the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2004.
Is Croyle in the same class as Aikman and Elway, or the Manning Brothers? Of course not. Croyle has started just six games in his NFL career. Comparisons at this time are essentially silly.
But these numbers indicate what the Chiefs quarterback has experienced in his first starts is not unusual or out of the ordinary. It’s part of the growth process for nearly all quarterbacks. Many more statistics are needed before we’ll know where Croyle’s career will take him and the Chiefs.
Keep that in mind the next time somebody wants to cast Croyle as a bust. Less than a year ago, the same thing was being said of Eli Manning.








Thought that this was interesting.

hermhater
06-04-2008, 02:04 PM
I think Herm secretly hates QB's because he used to be a D-back.

I don't think it's a secret dude...

hermhater
06-04-2008, 02:14 PM
HE: It is amazing too because like you said they stocked up on some positions where they felt they got hurt last year and lo and behold they get hurt again. It is like us. I never imagined in my career, and I have been in the league 26 years playing and coaching, that I would have the fifth quarterback playing in the game. I have seen it all now. I thought I had seen it all, but I have seen it all now.

http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=audionewsdetail&pid=14203&pcid=85

tornadospotter
06-04-2008, 04:25 PM
http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=audionewsdetail&pid=14203&pcid=85
We may need more QB's yet!

CHIEFCANNON
06-05-2008, 05:56 AM
I think the o-line is about the same. (Without a snap.)

We lost three staters, and added one rookie and some more leftovers. But the offensive numbers can't get much worse, so it is almost guaranteed that those numbers will imrove, and make the unit look improved.

Unless I see some of the young guys that we already had on the team starting soon, (Svtek, Taylor, Stallings) then it is still just another band of wash-outs and a rookie, playing out of position.

AKA <Herm Edwards Special>

Svitek... will be lucky to even make this team... at any position. Stay away from loaded firearms .. with your depression. You don't have to buy what I'm predicting ... but, we are better on paper than we were last year on O-line. Give it some time.

chief31
06-08-2008, 03:53 PM
Svitek... will be lucky to even make this team... at any position. Stay away from loaded firearms .. with your depression. You don't have to buy what I'm predicting ... but, we are better on paper than we were last year on O-line. Give it some time.

They have the time. But I don't see anything on the "paper" that suggests o-line improvement fo this season.

Canada
06-08-2008, 04:04 PM
They have the time. But I don't see anything on the "paper" that suggests o-line improvement fo this season.

Well then, it is a good thing they play the game on the field!! :p

Chiefster
06-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Well then, it is a good thing they play the game on the field!! :p


Gotta chalk one up for Canada!


Good point. :bananen_smilies046:

chief31
06-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Well then, it is a good thing they play the game on the field!! :p

Unfortunately, there hasn't been a Chiefs game played yet this season. Therefore, the paper rules, for now.:D

m0ef0e
06-11-2008, 12:39 PM
They have the time. But I don't see anything on the "paper" that suggests o-line improvement fo this season.

Get out a pen and some paper so you can write this down.

Branden Albert

chief31
06-11-2008, 02:43 PM
Get out a pen and some paper so you can write this down.

Branden Albert
Hey, if he can do it, I'll probably be his biggest fan. But he is a long-shot.

rbedgood
06-12-2008, 02:36 AM
Hey, if he can do it, I'll probably be his biggest fan. But he is a long-shot.

He's a long shot to be a stud at tackle, but even if he has to move to guard where he wouldnt' be a long shot, the line would be improved at least on the run blocking front...Think if you add Bentley also? LJ would look like...well, LJ again!

chief31
06-12-2008, 07:15 AM
He's a long shot to be a stud at tackle, but even if he has to move to guard where he wouldnt' be a long shot, the line would be improved at least on the run blocking front...Think if you add Bentley also? LJ would look like...well, LJ again!
Not even entertaining the possibility.:D

OTR Chiefs fan
06-14-2008, 12:37 PM
Svitek... will be lucky to even make this team... at any position. Stay away from loaded firearms .. with your depression. You don't have to buy what I'm predicting ... but, we are better on paper than we were last year on O-line. Give it some time.


They have the time. But I don't see anything on the "paper" that suggests o-line improvement fo this season.


I like the potential for the O-line. Yeah, we're going to take some knocks until the rookie gets up to speed, but I thought McIntosh played decent last year, but he got injured and was in and out of the line up, so that hurt his productivity. I think what might hurt on the O-line is depth. If the starters get hurt do we have a suitable backup? :D

Three7s
06-14-2008, 05:52 PM
I like the potential for the O-line. Yeah, we're going to take some knocks until the rookie gets up to speed, but I thought McIntosh played decent last year, but he got injured and was in and out of the line up, so that hurt his productivity. I think what might hurt on the O-line is depth. If the starters get hurt do we have a suitable backup? :D
Yep, if even one of those guys get injured, our O-line could be worse than last year!

chief31
06-14-2008, 10:14 PM
I like the potential for the O-line. Yeah, we're going to take some knocks until the rookie gets up to speed, but I thought McIntosh played decent last year, but he got injured and was in and out of the line up, so that hurt his productivity. I think what might hurt on the O-line is depth. If the starters get hurt do we have a suitable backup? :D


Is it just me, or does someone actually have a clue who all of the starters are?

Tosh, Waters and the rook are the only ones that I know of. Beyond that, we have a bunch that weren't capable of beating-out horrible players for time on the field.

If Taylor, Svitek, or Stallings, none, wind-up as starters, then Albert will have to become a star LT immediately, for this unit to improve, in a way that is anything more than cosmetic.

texaschief
06-14-2008, 11:41 PM
Is it just me, or does someone actually have a clue who all of the starters are?

Tosh, Waters and the rook are the only ones that I know of. Beyond that, we have a bunch that weren't capable of beating-out horrible players for time on the field.

If Taylor, Svitek, or Stallings, none, wind-up as starters, then Albert will have to become a star LT immediately, for this unit to improve, in a way that is anything more than cosmetic.

LT- Albert
LG-Waters
C-Niswanger
RG-Jones
RT-McIntosh
TE-Gonzo
TE-Cottam

Is this really a secret? :lol:

From what i heard, whatever the line was at the end of OTA's that's what the line will be for the regular season. So, I'd go with that. The real question is, who will be the backups?

Coach
06-15-2008, 12:01 AM
I like the potential for the O-line. Yeah, we're going to take some knocks until the rookie gets up to speed, but I thought McIntosh played decent last year, but he got injured and was in and out of the line up, so that hurt his productivity. I think what might hurt on the O-line is depth. If the starters get hurt do we have a suitable backup? :D

I'd agree. Depth is the biggest issue. If the O-line can stay healthy, then we will get to see what Brodie is made of. If one or two of the offensive lineman get hurt, it will be deja vu.

chief31
06-15-2008, 06:23 AM
LT- Albert
LG-Waters
C-Niswanger
RG-Jones
RT-McIntosh
TE-Gonzo
TE-Cottam

Is this really a secret? :lol:

From what i heard, whatever the line was at the end of OTA's that's what the line will be for the regular season. So, I'd go with that. The real question is, who will be the backups?

Nah, I guess everybody knows who ... Adrian... Jones is, hunh? (He's a wash-out from the N.Y. Jets.)

And obviously, Rudy Niswanger is a household name too.

Looks like we are set at two of five starting o-line positions. LG and RT. Everything else is, at least, a big question mark.

By comparison, last years o-line had at least three qualified NFL starters, of five positions, with only one real question mark.

I don't think that many around here would doubt that I want a top-notch LT as much as, if not more than, anyone else here. And if Albert can become that, then I will be his biggest fan. But college OGs just don't do that.

So, if that experiment doesn't work out, then we will be right back where we were at the start of this offseason. In dire need of a LT. But, by then, everyone will have given up on Croyle, without having ever seen him play nehind an NFL o-line.

And with the majority of the fans convinced that we need a QB, when do the Chiefs go and get that LT?

Keep in mind, that by the time the '09 season rolls around, Damien McIntosh will be 32, and headed down the homestretch of his career.

No matter how good Albert might be as an OG, OG doesn't protect the QB from the real threat of outside speed-rushers.

Starting an OG at LT is a long-shot. And we have a whole lot riding on the outcome.

But then, maybe I should just sit back and trust Herm Edwards' brilliance in dealing with the offensive line. Especially since he has such a proven record of protecting QBs.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

milkman
06-15-2008, 01:43 PM
LT- Albert
LG-Waters
C-Niswanger
RG-Jones
RT-McIntosh
TE-Gonzo
TE-Cottam

Is this really a secret? :lol:

From what i heard, whatever the line was at the end of OTA's that's what the line will be for the regular season. So, I'd go with that. The real question is, who will be the backups?

What was said is that the line at the end of OTAs will be the line at the start of trining camp.

The real competition will begin when TC starts and the pads go on.

When McIntosh and Jones ar getting their dicks knocked
in the dirt, then we'll see different guys lining up.

milkman
06-15-2008, 01:47 PM
.Looks like we are set at two of five starting o-line positions. LG and RT. Everything else is, at least, a big question mark.

Don't count on it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/06/13/ota_farewell/


Like, who will occupy the right side of the Chiefs offensive line? After Thursday’s practice, Herm Edwards said his No. 1 line going to camp will be, from left to right, Branden Albert, Brian Waters, Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh. But after watching 15 practices, Jones and McIntosh’s starting assignments are not written in cement. Draft choice Barry Richardson may push McIntosh for the right tackle spot. At this point, no one came forward to challenge Jones.

milkman
06-15-2008, 02:04 PM
Nah, I guess everybody knows who ... Adrian... Jones is, hunh? (He's a wash-out from the N.Y. Jets.)

And obviously, Rudy Niswanger is a household name too.

We see eye to eye on Jones, and while Niswanger isn't a household name, if you paid any attention last year, then you saw that Niswanger showed well at guard, and he has the intelligence to handle center.


By comparison, last years o-line had at least three qualified NFL starters, of five positions, with only one real question mark.

Yeah, really?
Who were those three?

What we had were three guys that had success in the past as starters, but who were either a bad fit for this team, or were simply not as good as some believed them to be.

I'm assuming the three you are talking about are Waters, Weigman and McIntosh.

Waters I'll give you.
If he's lining up next to a good LT and center, he'll be able to play at the same level he has in the past.

Weigman simply doesn't fit with the more physical brand of offense we have evolved into.

And McIntosh is barely adequate.
He's a decent, albiet less than stellar pss blocker and a useless runblocker.

He can't stick anywhere because he is only adequate, at best, as a LT, and simply is physical enough to play anywhere else on the line.


I don't think that many around here would doubt that I want a top-notch LT as much as, if not more than, anyone else here. And if Albert can become that, then I will be his biggest fan. But college OGs just don't do that.

So, if that experiment doesn't work out, then we will be right back where we were at the start of this offseason. In dire need of a LT. But, by then, everyone will have given up on Croyle, without having ever seen him play nehind an NFL o-line.

As Bob Bicknell said, Albert was a guard in a tackle's body.
This guy has everything that you could ask for in a LT.

He's big, strong, has a huge wingspan, and has dancer's feet.

You're right, college OGs don't transition to LT, but this will be the one that does, and my money says he's the best in this draft class.


And with the majority of the fans convinced that we need a QB, when do the Chiefs go and get that LT?

Keep in mind, that by the time the '09 season rolls around, Damien McIntosh will be 32, and headed down the homestretch of his career.

No matter how good Albert might be as an OG, OG doesn't protect the QB from the real threat of outside speed-rushers.

Starting an OG at LT is a long-shot. And we have a whole lot riding on the outcome.

But then, maybe I should just sit back and trust Herm Edwards' brilliance in dealing with the offensive line. Especially since he has such a proven record of protecting QBs.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

In this case, I'm trusting my own eyes.

I watched Albert in college and I watched his combine workout.

He's going to be a great LT.

Coach
06-16-2008, 09:32 PM
We see eye to eye on Jones, and while Niswanger isn't a household name, if you paid any attention last year, then you saw that Niswanger showed well at guard, and he has the intelligence to handle center.



Yeah, really?
Who were those three?

What we had were three guys that had success in the past as starters, but who were either a bad fit for this team, or were simply not as good as some believed them to be.

I'm assuming the three you are talking about are Waters, Weigman and McIntosh.

Waters I'll give you.
If he's lining up next to a good LT and center, he'll be able to play at the same level he has in the past.

Weigman simply doesn't fit with the more physical brand of offense we have evolved into.

And McIntosh is barely adequate.
He's a decent, albiet less than stellar pss blocker and a useless runblocker.

He can't stick anywhere because he is only adequate, at best, as a LT, and simply is physical enough to play anywhere else on the line.



As Bob Bicknell said, Albert was a guard in a tackle's body.
This guy has everything that you could ask for in a LT.

He's big, strong, has a huge wingspan, and has dancer's feet.

You're right, college OGs don't transition to LT, but this will be the one that does, and my money says he's the best in this draft class.



In this case, I'm trusting my own eyes.

I watched Albert in college and I watched his combine workout.

He's going to be a great LT.

I really hope you are right. I'm cautiously optmistic. More than anything, I'm glad we didn't take him at the #5 spot like many analysts had expected. Instead we landed a huge talented DT and got o-line help.

Guru
06-17-2008, 03:32 AM
As long as the play calls are ONLY done in the huddle and not as audibles.

chief31
06-17-2008, 06:22 AM
We see eye to eye on Jones, and while Niswanger isn't a household name, if you paid any attention last year, then you saw that Niswanger showed well at guard, and he has the intelligence to handle center.

I like Niswanger, but I haven't seen enough to say what you are saying about him here. That's some guess work, which keeps him in the "question mark" group for me.

Yeah, really?
Who were those three?

What we had were three guys that had success in the past as starters, but who were either a bad fit for this team, or were simply not as good as some believed them to be.

I'm assuming the three you are talking about are Waters, Weigman and McIntosh.

Waters I'll give you.
If he's lining up next to a good LT and center, he'll be able to play at the same level he has in the past.

Weigman simply doesn't fit with the more physical brand of offense we have evolved into.

And McIntosh is barely adequate.
He's a decent, albiet less than stellar pss blocker and a useless runblocker.

He can't stick anywhere because he is only adequate, at best, as a LT, and simply is physical enough to play anywhere else on the line.

Weigmann was one, because he is a qualified NFL starter. Granted, not with the ultra-bland offense that we were running last season, but still a "qualified NFL starter". And Tosh might barely fit the bill, but yes, he was the third guy I was counting.

I was being nice on both counts. But if you will accept that Tosh isn't a qualified NFL starter, then that leaves us with one for this season.



As Bob Bicknell said, Albert was a guard in a tackle's body.
This guy has everything that you could ask for in a LT.

I generally like to ask for experience, so no, he doesn't.

He's big, strong, has a huge wingspan, and has dancer's feet.

You're right, college OGs don't transition to LT, but this will be the one that does, and my money says he's the best in this draft class.



In this case, I'm trusting my own eyes.

I watched Albert in college and I watched his combine workout.

He's going to be a great LT.

He's a long-shot to be a decent LT. I hope as much as anyone that you are right, but I refuse to let go of the notion that it was way too big of a gamble, and that not enough was done for the O-line in this draft, either way. Once the first day was done, all I was aking for was a third-round OT.

Albert wasn't even projected as a LT until the final few weeks before the draft. Most had him being drafted in the mid-second round, or lower until the rumors of him being able to play LT surfaced.

Seek
06-17-2008, 12:15 PM
While I agree that the offensive line will make or break Croyle. The reports that I have heard on the radio regarding his OTA performance is the opposite of Chan's opinion.

He is over throwing his receivers and throwing Interceptions, while Thigpen is hitting all of his receivers.

They (one of the morning shows, either 810 or 610, I believe it was 810) say that talking to inside Chiefs people that there is a concern about Croyle and that Thigpen has a legitimate shot at taking the starting postion from Croyle.

Coach
06-17-2008, 07:07 PM
While I agree that the offensive line will make or break Croyle. The reports that I have heard on the radio regarding his OTA performance is the opposite of Chan's opinion.

He is over throwing his receivers and throwing Interceptions, while Thigpen is hitting all of his receivers.

They (one of the morning shows, either 810 or 610, I believe it was 810) say that talking to inside Chiefs people that there is a concern about Croyle and that Thigpen has a legitimate shot at taking the starting postion from Croyle.

That would be an interesting turn of events. This could be a good sportsbook bet. Opening day starter.

rbedgood
06-17-2008, 08:31 PM
That would be an interesting turn of events. This could be a good sportsbook bet. Opening day starter.

Hint taken...event will be drawn up.

Coach
06-17-2008, 09:31 PM
Hint taken...event will be drawn up.

Thanks for putting it up. Wasn't really a hint, more just laziness on my part.

milkman
06-18-2008, 10:02 AM
He's a long-shot to be a decent LT. I hope as much as anyone that you are right, but I refuse to let go of the notion that it was way too big of a gamble, and that not enough was done for the O-line in this draft, either way. Once the first day was done, all I was aking for was a third-round OT.

Albert wasn't even projected as a LT until the final few weeks before the draft. Most had him being drafted in the mid-second round, or lower until the rumors of him being able to play LT surfaced.

I think the people that know me from other forums will tell you that I'm usually pretty cynical about, well almost everything.

I have a rep as a cranky *******.

I saw Albert in two games last season, and watched his combine workout.

He was easily the most athletic, fluid O-Lineman I saw all season.

He's quick and strong, moves well in space and finishes blocks.

I saw him as a tackle long before any of the media draft gurus did.

If I did, then I'm I have very little doubt that NFL scouts did as well.

Those mocks didn't take into account that NFL teams would be drafting him to play tackle.

There's no way I would have passed on Dorsey, but I am thrilled that we picked Albert, and I'll take the best LT prospect, imo, without experience, because we are building a team that he can grow with.

Chiefster
06-18-2008, 10:37 PM
I think the people that know me from other forums will tell you that I'm usually pretty cynical about, well almost everything.

I have a rep as a cranky *******.

I saw Albert in two games last season, and watched his combine workout.

He was easily the most athletic, fluid O-Lineman I saw all season.

He's quick and strong, moves well in space and finishes blocks.

I saw him as a tackle long before any of the media draft gurus did.

If I did, then I'm I have very little doubt that NFL scouts did as well.

Those mocks didn't take into account that NFL teams would be drafting him to play tackle.

There's no way I would have passed on Dorsey, but I am thrilled that we picked Albert, and I'll take the best LT prospect, imo, without experience, because we are building a team that he can grow with.


Agreed! :bananen_smilies046:

Canada
06-18-2008, 10:44 PM
I like to say Croyle's name. Croyle. nice!!

Dyno-Mite
06-24-2008, 04:24 PM
I like to say Croyle's name. Croyle. nice!!



........................And I like to say Damon's.

Canada
06-24-2008, 04:49 PM
........................And I like to say Damon's.

Sorry....why are we supposed to care?

rbedgood
06-24-2008, 04:50 PM
........................And I like to say Damon's.

Look who's back...:sign0023: