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tornadospotter
07-31-2008, 11:52 AM
A Different Kind of Homecoming

Jul 31, 2008, 6:06:47 AM by Bob Gretz (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/bob_gretz/) - FAQ (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/01/19/bob_gretz_faq/)



RIVER FALLS, WI – No, this isn’t about Jared Allen.
It’s about Tyler Thigpen.
All the attention today here in the northwoods will be centered on Allen coming to UW-River Falls with his new Vikings teammates to practice against his old teammates on the Chiefs. That’s understandable; Allen played four seasons in Kansas City and was the team’s best player last season.
But Thigpen will be celebrating a much quieter reunion, drawing little attention from the media.
Last year, Thigpen was in the Vikings training camp, as Minnesota’s seventh-round draft choice. He was with the purple when they worked out last year against the Chiefs in both River Falls and Mankato, MN.
How Thigpen came to be in the Chiefs training camp this year and not with the Vikings is a good story of how the personnel process never ends.
Going into the 2007 NFL Draft, the Chiefs had Thigpen on their list of players that they’d considering selecting in the later rounds. He was coming out of Coastal Carolina in Myrtle Beach, S.C., where he displayed great mobility and a strong arm. But as the draft played out, the Chiefs went in a different direction and it was the Vikings that grabbed Thigpen with the 217th choice.
Minnesota’s first pre-season game last year was on a Friday night in the Metrodome against St. Louis. River Falls is less than an hour’s drive from the dome, so V.P. of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich went over to watch the game before he headed to Cleveland to see the Chiefs against the Browns the next night. The Chiefs personnel department tries to see every other NFL team at least once in the pre-season and when their scouts go out, they have a preliminary list of players to keep their eye on.
Thigpen was on Kuharich’s list thanks to their evaluations of him from the draft. But the young quarterback didn’t get on the field until the fourth quarter. In two possessions with the Vikings offense, Thigpen hit three of six passes for 29 yards and picked up 18 yards on two scrambles. In the box score the next day, it was hardly a performance anybody would notice.
But Kuharich did.
“You see guys like him on tape as you prepare for the draft and you get an idea of what they might be able to do,” said Kuharich. “But put them on an NFL field and that changes things. He came from a small college background and he stepped on the field that night and looked very at home. ”
Kuharich filed that performance away, especially when the next week the Vikings only put Thigpen on the field for five plays.
“That told me something right there,” said Kuharich. “That told me the Vikings liked him and they were hoping to make sure nobody noticed. ”
That was even more evident the next week when Thigpen didn’t even play. In the final pre-season game, against Dallas, Thigpen got a pair of fourth quarter possessions that were dominated by the running game.
“Pretty much all I did was handoff,” Thigpen said. “I didn’t know what was going on. Hey, I was a rookie. I’ve never been through a camp and a pre-season. I wasn’t sure how it worked. I didn’t know they were trying to keep me under wraps. I can see that now, but I had no idea while it was going on.”
On NFL cutdown day, the Vikings released Thigpen, but told him to find a place to live in the Twin Cities because they were going to add him to their practice squad. That was Saturday. On Sunday, the Chiefs claimed him on waivers. They had seen enough of Casey Printers in the pre-season to question his ability to handle the NFL game. Thigpen’s performance in that first pre-season game convinced Kuharich he was worth bringing in for a long look.
The Chiefs had not done a lot of waiver wire transactions under former head coach Dick Vermeil; generally when they added a player to the roster, he had been with the team before and been released. Herm Edwards feels differently. “The question is always this: is the guy on the wire better than the last guy you have on your roster,” said Kuharich. “We felt Thigpen was better. We felt the same with Johnny Baldwin and Rashard Barksdale.”
Thigpen, Baldwin and Barksdale were all added to the Chiefs roster that weekend, claimed off the waiver wire. All remain with the team, although Baldwin is not in camp as he recovers from the knee injury and surgery he went through last year. Barksdale is competing for a roster spot at cornerback.
And now a year later, with the whole NFL world wondering if Green Bay’s No. 4 might soon end up in a Vikings uniform, the Chiefs are watching their own No. 4 develop before their eyes.
“You can see his growth,” said Edwards. “He’s got a real belief in his arm. He’ll throw it anywhere.”
While Croyle has a gun for a right arm, Thigpen has a cannon and that belief in his arm can get him in trouble at times. He always seems to believe he can fit a pass between two defenders even if they are 20 yards down the field. He’s quickly learning that will also get him in trouble.
“I’ve got to be careful,” Thigpen said. “I think every quarterback thinks he can throw the ball wherever he wants. But that isn’t always the smartest move.”
Vikings coach Brad Childress was not happy when his team lost Thigpen last year. He won’t be any happier after he sees him practice Thursday night. With his strong arm and his mobility, Thigpen looks very at home in Chan Gailey’s offense. The quarterback boot legs they are running seem right up his alley.
“I like it,” said Thigpen. “I like to throw and move on the run. I think it fits Brodie and his style as well. There are chances to make plays.”
Thigpen will get those chances in the pre-season. Make no mistake, Croyle is the starter. There was some off-season scuttlebutt that Thigpen could win the starting job. But baring a complete collapse, that’s not going to happen; Croyle is the man.
But the NFL is all about being ready, and Thigpen feels he’s definitely ready.
“I’m just trying to get better, trying to make this team better in whatever way I can,” he said. “Right now, my future is the next practice.”
And that just happens to be against the Vikings.
“That will be neat, to see some of those guys and see some of the coaches,” Thigpen said. “But I’m sure everybody will be watching Jared and his coming back here.”
Chiefs fans however, need to keep their eye on Thigpen.
“He’s not shown us any reason why he couldn’t be successful,” said Kuharich. “Like all young players, he needs to play.”
You can read more about Tyler Thigpen and how the Chiefs scout in the pre-season on bobgretz.com (http://www.bobgretz.com/).

tornadospotter
07-31-2008, 11:54 AM
Post your thoughts, I like this guy, hope that he keeps improving, and is ready to play if Brodie get hurt. That right, I think he will be #2 QB.

Seek
07-31-2008, 12:47 PM
What I don't get, Is if Croyle gets Hurt, Thigpen is the next in line, because they already know what they have in Huard.

So is he saying that Huard is #2 or #3. It sounds like Huard is the #2, and if Croyle gets Hurt. Thigpen is promoted from #3 to starter and Huard will always be a back up.

tornadospotter
07-31-2008, 12:56 PM
What I don't get, Is if Croyle gets Hurt, Thigpen is the next in line, because they already know what they have in Huard.

So is he saying that Huard is #2 or #3. It sounds like Huard is the #2, and if Croyle gets Hurt. Thigpen is promoted from #3 to starter and Huard will always be a back up.
I think the #2 QB position is still being competed for, but it does sound like the new offense fits better for both Croyle and Thigpen. That being the way I see it. I hope Thig wins the #2 job, and he wins it because he proves it in camp and preseason.

Seek
07-31-2008, 01:10 PM
I think the #2 QB position is still being competed for, but it does sound like the new offense fits better for both Croyle and Thigpen. That being the way I see it. I hope Thig wins the #2 job, and he wins it because he proves it in camp and preseason.

If that is the case, Trent Green would have started last year and Croyle would have competed with Huard for the back up role and competing for the starting role this year.

Herm has stated that if Croyle gets hurt, Thigpen will get the start because they already know what they have in Huard. It is clear that they are trying to rebuild and not put the best players on the field.

jtandcrew
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
I read earlier that Thigpen has been looking good and Huard is showing his age, but apperently, Thigpen got lit up pretty good yesterday or today. I cant remember which. With that being said, Thigpen is still learning as is Croyle. I do hope Thigpen shows enough improvement that he will win the #2 spot outright and not by default simply because Herm wants to go younger. There needs to be a line between throwing in the towel and playing someone thats unproven for the sake of getting them experience and actually trying to win a game.

Seek
07-31-2008, 03:14 PM
I read earlier that Thigpen has been looking good and Huard is showing his age, but apperently, Thigpen got lit up pretty good yesterday or today. I cant remember which. With that being said, Thigpen is still learning as is Croyle. I do hope Thigpen shows enough improvement that he will win the #2 spot outright and not by default simply because Herm wants to go younger. There needs to be a line between throwing in the towel and playing someone thats unproven for the sake of getting them experience and actually trying to win a game.

I want him to win the starting role out right. That way we know the Starting QB day one, earned it and it wasn't a present, because we spent a 3rd round pick on a QB, and he was going to be the starter come hell or high water.

I have heard different. Huard had an outstanding day yesterday, connecting up with Cottam a few times. He only missed a few passes.

Coach
07-31-2008, 08:57 PM
Post your thoughts, I like this guy, hope that he keeps improving, and is ready to play if Brodie get hurt. That right, I think he will be #2 QB.

I would love to see Thigpen as the #2 QB. Huard is not the future, and we need to find our qb of the future. If Croyle goes down, bring in the kid.

jakesmith
08-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Right now it sucks to be Huard. Caught between the proverbial "Rock and Hard place" He knows he isnt going to start and if Thigpen has a decent camp will probably replace him at the #2 spot. Guess it sucks getting old.

My opinion of this situation is, we are trying to develop a young QB. I'm not sold on Croyle and we will know by week 6 what we will have. This is his make it or break it year. It sucks if he busts, because the Chiefs have spent 3 years developing him. Time which could have been spent on someone else.

One good thing about this situation and this where I give Edwards credit. While trying to devlop a young QB, Edwards has left himself a "Ace in the Hole". Huard can start for a limited time if needed. Croyle fails, Edwards will start Huard and then concentrate on Thigpen and start over in developing another young QB.

tornadospotter
08-01-2008, 08:38 PM
Right now it sucks to be Huard. Caught between the proverbial "Rock and Hard place" He knows he isnt going to start and if Thigpen has a decent camp will probably replace him at the #2 spot. Guess it sucks getting old. Yes getting older in one's profession does, but it happens. Huard is going to do his job, and that is be ready to play for every game. He may be the go to guy if Croyle goes down. But Thig will probably be the starter the next game.

My opinion of this situation is, we are trying to develop a young QB. I'm not sold on Croyle and we will know by week 6 what we will have. This is his make it or break it year. It sucks if he busts, because the Chiefs have spent 3 years developing him. Time which could have been spent on someone else.

One good thing about this situation and this where I give Edwards credit. While trying to develop a young QB, Edwards has left himself a "Ace in the Hole". Huard can start for a limited time if needed. Croyle fails, Edwards will start Huard and then concentrate on Thigpen and start over in developing another young QB.
Huard might be called in to save a game, or a to get us to half, and then Thig will take over.

Chiefster
08-01-2008, 10:03 PM
What I don't get, Is if Croyle gets Hurt, Thigpen is the next in line, because they already know what they have in Huard.

So is he saying that Huard is #2 or #3. It sounds like Huard is the #2, and if Croyle gets Hurt. Thigpen is promoted from #3 to starter and Huard will always be a back up.

So, he should feel right at home at number two - he's been there his entire career.

tornadospotter
08-05-2008, 08:51 AM
Chiefs’ Thigpen is a quarterback on the move

BY ADAM TEICHER | THE KANSAS CITY STAR


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The Chiefs’ Tyler Thigpen is not tall for a quarterback — just 6-1 — but he got a better look at receivers in Monday’s workout in River Falls, Wis., by moving out of the pocket.
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Gailey frequently moves the quarterback out of the pocket and asks him to make a play on the move.
It also plays to the strengths of starter Brodie Croyle, who isn’t particularly fast but can throw well on the run. It’s even more suited to backup Tyler Thigpen, who is quicker than Croyle and, at only 6 feet 1, more than happy to get out of the forest.
“That’s what you want to be able to do, get out of the pocket,” Thigpen said. “That way, you can see the field a little better instead of sitting back there behind those big, old, tall offensive linemen. I’m not the tallest guy out there.”
While Thigpen hasn’t been a star at training camp, the Chiefs appear comfortable with his progress. They want him to improve his decision-making and accuracy and would like him to force fewer throws.
In the meantime, Thigpen has vaulted over Damon Huard and is the No. 2 quarterback. With a strong showing in the preseason, Thigpen could play himself into consideration as Croyle’s successor if he falters this season or suffers a long-term injury.
The Chiefs haven’t determined how much each of their quarterbacks will play in Thursday night’s preseason opener against the Bears in Chicago, but Thigpen will probably get plenty of snaps.
He is one of the young players they are most eager to see against an outside opponent.
“We really need to get Brodie and Tyler a bundle of snaps and get Damon some just so he can stay in the mix,” quarterbacks coach Dick Curl said. “Tyler is making nice progress, but we really want to see him in a game. There’s really no other way to get a measure on a quarterback. Practice is practice. The game is full speed.
“He’s got all of the tools. You can see that. He’s a poised guy. I think he gets it. He doesn’t get flustered.”
Thigpen came to the NFL not out of a college football factory but tiny Coastal Carolina, a Division I-AA program. He compiled big p***ing statistics, but his ability to move attracted the attention of NFL scouts.
“He was a really strong runner in college,” said Chuck Cook, the Chiefs’ director of college scouting. “That was one of his ***ets. He was kind of a late bloomer. Our scouts liked him. We could see how cerebral he was. He moved Coastal Carolina along. We knew then he was a real strong guy we could develop.
“That’s all you can hope for.”
There was some talk that because of his lack of height and considerable athletic skills that he would become a receiver in the NFL. The Vikings drafted him last year in the seventh round, and the Chiefs acquired him off waivers immediately before the start of the season.
“There were a lot of rumors going around about that,” Thigpen said. “I’m not exactly sure where those were coming from. I think it was more that people were thinking that if it didn’t work out at quarterback for me, they could out me at slot receiver.
“During the time I was with the Vikings, somebody had mentioned something to me about playing receiver, but I never did. I was a quarterback the whole time I was up there.”
Quarterback is what Thigpen wants to play, and fortunately for him, he landed with the Chiefs. They have no other plans for him.
“When we looked at quarterbacks, our whole mind-set was to get a guy that … has the ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays on the run,” coach Herm Edwards said. “When the train is late, you’ve got to have a quarterback that can make a play.
“They can throw it anywhere on the field. They can throw it to the wide side of the field, the short side of the field. They’re not running quarterbacks, but they have the ability to throw on the run, and that’s what you want.
“He’s got a powerful arm, and sometimes that gets you in trouble because he’s going to make some throws that are ill-advised.”
That’s something all young quarterbacks have to learn. The learning begins in earnest for Thigpen on Thursday night.
“Coach Curl told me that I was going to get a lot of playing time,” Thigpen said. “Last year when I playing for Minnesota, it might have been two or three series a game and usually not even that. I can’t wait for that Chicago game, to get the chance to go out there and see what I can do with it.”

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Seek
08-05-2008, 09:06 AM
So, he should feel right at home at number two - he's been there his entire career.

The media is now saying that Thigpen has claimed the back up roll from Huard by performing better in camp.

m0ef0e
08-05-2008, 12:46 PM
Huard is our ***istant QB's coach in pads.

Seek
08-05-2008, 12:55 PM
Huard is our ***istant QB's coach in pads.

It is most likely Huards last year as a Chief. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up someone elses QB and cut Huard once everyone trims their rosters down. I would be even less surprised if they try and trade him.

windwalker
08-05-2008, 06:51 PM
It is most likely Huards last year as a Chief. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up someone elses QB and cut Huard once everyone trims their rosters down. I would be even less surprised if they try and trade him.

Trade??? for what... a ball of string and two pieces of bubble gum... ( one used ) ?????:lol::lol::lol:

Three7s
08-05-2008, 07:54 PM
Trade??? for what... a ball of string and two pieces of bubble gum... ( one used ) ?????:lol::lol::lol:
You'd be surprised at how many people think he's the best QB on the roster.

Chiefster
08-05-2008, 11:16 PM
The media is now saying that Thigpen has claimed the back up roll from Huard by performing better in camp.


Not surprising; it falls in line with Herm's youth movement.

McLovin
08-05-2008, 11:23 PM
Not surprising; it falls in line with Herm's youth movement.
That and he was competing with HuTard. I would like to see the Chiefs trade him and get something out of him. Maybe we can get something decent for a team looking for a washed up never was to lead their 21st ranked team. If not maybe we can get a free beer for the first 100 fans in the stadium for him. If all else fails think we could get a water boy? Just a thought.

Chiefster
08-05-2008, 11:27 PM
That and he was competing with HuTard. I would like to see the Chiefs trade him and get something out of him. Maybe we can get something decent for a team looking for a washed up never was to lead their 21st ranked team. If not maybe we can get a free beer for the first 100 fans in the stadium for him. If all else fails think we could get a water boy? Just a thought.

I don't believe him to have any trade value whatsoever.

Seek
08-06-2008, 09:29 AM
Trade??? for what... a ball of string and two pieces of bubble gum... ( one used ) ?????:lol::lol::lol:

Someone will lose a QB before the season is over and be desparate for a vet. Like Atlanta last year, or even Minnesota or Da Bears.

We won't get much for him, but it would still be better than nothing.