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texaschief
08-20-2008, 11:09 PM
Apparently, Boldin wants to be traded from the Cardinals. The Cardinals will probably be looking for secondary help if they agree to trade him.

I wouldn't mind giving up Carr and Pollard and perhaps a 3rd rd. pick for Boldin. I think the Chiefs would rather have another high pick lining up opposite Flowers at CB anyway. Pollard wouldn't be such a big loss considering there are people in the organization who like Morgan more than Pollard already anyway.

Boldin at 27 would give us the #2 WR we've been searching for, whether its Bowe or Boldin.

I can hear it now; Bowe, Boldin, Brodie, Brad, Brandon, Branden, Brandon, Barry and Brian.... "The Kansas City Killer B's" :lol:

But in all seriousness, this would allow the Chiefs to use their first rounder on a LB and their second rounder on a CB and with Tank and Turk emerging on the Dline, you'd have to think the defense would be pretty close to finished.

I don't think another high pick would need to be expended on the Oline like was necessary this year. Herb Taylor will probably be either the next RT or OG. With he and Richardson developing, I just don't think it would be crucial to spend a high pick on the Oline again.

Considering the Chiefs could afford to trade away these players and picks, I think making a strong push for one of the best young WRs in the game would be a great move for a team in search of offense and a big time #2 WR.

royalswin100games
08-20-2008, 11:45 PM
There isn't a chance that Carl and Herm would make that move. I'm sure Carl is the type of guy that loves to have phone conversations with Rosenhaus as well...

jtandcrew
08-20-2008, 11:47 PM
I agree Boldin would be an exceptional addition. Although, I think giving up 2 youg players that fit into the scheme and who are, if not startersw but potential starters is a little much. I can see giving up a player they can use and also a 3rd even maybe a 2nd. not 3 for 1 though. I dont see Carl even looking at the idea honestly. He would have to give to much for him and would ruin Herm's idea of rebuilding by not having enough high draft picks. Just my thoughts.:D

Three7s
08-21-2008, 06:05 AM
I would love to have him, but I don't see the Cards taking Pollard, the guy is awful in coverage. If I were the Cards, I would want Carr and Morgan, or something like that.

jakesmith
08-21-2008, 11:32 AM
It would be very nice, but I think the Cards would want too much. I really think this is just Boldin doing a little whining. Which is it that is getting pile of money right Boldin or Fitz??

tornadospotter
08-21-2008, 11:36 AM
I think we have the WR's we need already on the team.

DrunkHillbilly
08-21-2008, 12:12 PM
I think we have the WR's we need already on the team.
Come on!!!!!!!!!!:sign0153:

m0ef0e
08-21-2008, 12:23 PM
I think 2 players and a 3rd round pick are too much to give up for him.

texaschief
08-21-2008, 01:36 PM
I agree Boldin would be an exceptional addition. Although, I think giving up 2 youg players that fit into the scheme and who are, if not startersw but potential starters is a little much. I can see giving up a player they can use and also a 3rd even maybe a 2nd. not 3 for 1 though. I dont see Carl even looking at the idea honestly. He would have to give to much for him and would ruin Herm's idea of rebuilding by not having enough high draft picks. Just my thoughts.:D


I think 2 players and a 3rd round pick are too much to give up for him.

You're talking about a 27 year old Pro Bowl WR. The package I put together is either just right or not enough. Teams don't just give WRs like that away for nothing. But if you look at Pollard, Carr and a 3rd rd. pick, the piece we'd miss the most would be the 3rd rounder.

Like i said, i think the Chiefs would like to have another high draft pick at the other CB spot....not a 5th rounder.

DrunkHillbilly
08-21-2008, 02:13 PM
I've watched Boldin play damn near every game in the NFL that he has played and let me tell you, it would NOT be too much to give up!!! This guy is an absolute STUD!!! Nobody and I mean NOBODY has a better work ethic when it comes to yac's! This guy thrives on running over and through defenders! His fumble percentage is very very low so there has never been a problem with fighting for extra yards and then coughing up the ball.

Another thing this guy brings to the table is that he goes across the middle like no other receiver in the league and is awesome at it! Fearless! He has been fairly durable with the exception of 6 games last season. IMO, if the tandem of Boldin and Fitz had a QB like Manning or Brady or any other stud QB, they would equal and possibly surpass the numbers that Harrison and Wayne have put up in Indy. Given the same amount of years in the league of course.

If there is any way to get this guy, we should. He is a great community guy and is never in trouble off the field. My sons coach donates money to his foundation every year so two or three times a season, Boldin comes out to the kids practice and tosses the ball around and gives advice and pointers to the boys! IT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pictures, signs cards. the whole nine yards. One of the best experiences of my sons life was last season when Anquan borrowed Bertran Berry's motorhome and came to the kids final game. This was all unplanned. After the game, he loaded all of the kids and coaches up in the motorhome and we went to a place called EATZA PIZZA. He bought all the food for kids, coaches and parents and I can't even begin to tell you how many tokens he bought for the kids to play the games. All of this was with a rep from the Cardinals and she said he does this stuff on a regular basis. The funny part was he was playing just as many games as the kids were!!!!!!! He is on the news here a lot for some very positive things. Rosena$$hole is not helping the situation AT ALL!!!!! I would hate to see the Cardinals lose him being I cheer for them since I live here but it would be a GREAT pick up for the Chiefs in more than one way!!!!!

m0ef0e
08-21-2008, 02:23 PM
No doubt he's very talented and very good. It's cool to hear about how involved he is in the community as well. He's definitely a plus on anyone's roster. However, we can't afford to short-hand ourselves on secondary depth and we have a bunch of young and talented receivers who won't make the team as it is. Granted, nobody of Boldin's quality but I just don't think the time is right for the Chiefs to pursue this.

Seek
08-21-2008, 02:27 PM
Trade them Surtain! Its a rebuilding year right or is there still fans wanting to win.

I have yet to see DVD catch a ball to even consider him a legit #2.

Now Franklin is show me that he could be, but he is a rookie.

DrunkHillbilly
08-21-2008, 02:41 PM
No doubt he's very talented and very good. It's cool to hear about how involved he is in the community as well. He's definitely a plus on anyone's roster. However, we can't afford to short-hand ourselves on secondary depth and we have a bunch of young and talented receivers who won't make the team as it is. Granted, nobody of Boldin's quality but I just don't think the time is right for the Chiefs to pursue this.
My thinking is that they are in a rebuilding year right? Why not rebuild with one of the best young receivers in all of football? We can't win games if we don't score points! I want our D to get better as well but we need points!!!!! This guy will definetly help Brodie move the ball down the field. Brodie will be dumping the ball a ton this year and that requires someone to go across the middle. TG needs some help in that dept..

To be honest, I'm not sure the Cards would except either of those defensive players mentioned being that they just drafted a stud defensive player in Cromartie and have moved Rolle to the safety position. Their defense has been very solid the last few seasons so they might not be looking in that direction.

m0ef0e
08-21-2008, 02:51 PM
If we do go out and get him I won't be disappointed. I agree that we could certainly use him. Personally, I like the idea of giving up Surtain more than Carr if we were to do this. While Carr may not be a shut-down starter, he could be a good addition on the field when bringing in extra D-backs. He's also young and has some years ahead of him to improve. How much? Who knows but there's more potential there than in someone who is on their last leg, IMO. On the other hand, it's good to have some vet experience for the rookies to learn from and that's what Surtain brings to the table. I know a lot of guys here aren't hot on Pollard but he's getting close to some punt blocks again and that could swing a game or two in our favor. Boldin would prove more consistently valuable than an occasional blocked punt, though. So I see where you're coming from on that.

texaschief
08-21-2008, 02:55 PM
No doubt he's very talented and very good. It's cool to hear about how involved he is in the community as well. He's definitely a plus on anyone's roster. However, we can't afford to short-hand ourselves on secondary depth and we have a bunch of young and talented receivers who won't make the team as it is. Granted, nobody of Boldin's quality but I just don't think the time is right for the Chiefs to pursue this.

We would still have Surtain with Patterson and Brack backing up. Also, I've read that Burns is really making some noise out there at the Safety position, so losing Pollard or Morgan wouldn't be too big of a hit.

This team is not looking to make a playoff run this year, so if there were EVER a year to be shallow at a position, it would be this year. Every team has personnel issues. But you can't expect to receive talent without giving up talent. Personally, if I were a Cardinals fan and we received two DBs and a 3rd rd. pick for Boldin, I'd be livid! Think about it. Would a rookie 5th rd. Olineman and a 3rd year 2nd rd. LB and a 3rd Rd. pick be enough for Bowe? I'm sure there would be some hesitation on our part.

I think it really depends on how badly Boldin wants out and what the Cards would ask for in return. Being in the AFC wouldn't hurt the Chiefs' chances at landing him either.

texaschief
08-21-2008, 03:01 PM
hell, lets see if they bite on Napolean Harris! We could even send one of our young WRs not named Bowe or Franklin over to fill in for Boldin as well.

Maybe a package of Harris, Webb, and Dontrelle Savage would be enough.

McLovin
08-21-2008, 11:05 PM
Man I wouldnt give Carr alone for Boldin, not that Boldin isnt good but Carr is looking good and a rookie, plus we have a great #1 in Bowe and I think the option of the Darling, Franklin, and Price trio has potential to be awesome given the chance.

Plus even if Pollard were only a backup and special teamer, he is getting close to blocking punts, just another half step and he would have blocked several. Some have said that they arent sure how he missed a couple of the punts he was that close. Plus another third rounder wow and I thought Carl hated this team and wanted to destroy it ... well enough of my smart mouth. This would be a start to undoing the good that could possibly come out of the Jared Allen trade.
My 2cents.

McLovin
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
hell, lets see if they bite on Napolean Harris! We could even send one of our young WRs not named Bowe or Franklin over to fill in for Boldin as well.

Maybe a package of Harris, Webb, and Dontrelle Savage would be enough.
Ya had me there till you threw in Savage lol. Although unfortunately if we throw in Harris we might have to throw in Bowe to compensate for taking Harris.

texaschief
08-22-2008, 12:58 AM
Man I wouldnt give Carr alone for Boldin, not that Boldin isnt good but Carr is looking good and a rookie, plus we have a great #1 in Bowe and I think the option of the Darling, Franklin, and Price trio has potential to be awesome given the chance.
wow. Are you kidding me? You'd really keep Carr if the Cardinals offered Boldin for him straight up? I'm sorry, but that is just plain dumb. I don't care how good you think any of the other WRs are, they don't compare to Boldin. It's ok to have more than one great WR. The Colts, Pats, Cards and Bengals do a pretty good job with two great WRs. Having Boldin wouldn't take anything away from Bowe.
Plus even if Pollard were only a backup and special teamer, he is getting close to blocking punts, just another half step and he would have blocked several. Some have said that they arent sure how he missed a couple of the punts he was that close. Plus another third rounder wow and I thought Carl hated this team and wanted to destroy it ... well enough of my smart mouth. This would be a start to undoing the good that could possibly come out of the Jared Allen trade.
My 2cents.

You're not too good at evaluating talent. How would trading an underachieving DB who has a replacement ready to step in, a 5th rd CB and a third rd. pick next year affect the outcome of the Jared Allen trade? That makes no sense at all.


Ya had me there till you threw in Savage lol. Although unfortunately if we throw in Harris we might have to throw in Bowe to compensate for taking Harris.

I would be absolutely stunned if Savage made this team. The Chiefs won't take 5 RBs into the season. Right now, the only way that Savage makes this team is as a return guy. If he made the team that way, you'd have to say goodbye to either Sams, Robinson or Barksdale. Right now, Savage has trade value and would have to be a throw-in if the Cards took Harris. Webb would also have good trade value.

But right now, Savage is probably behind Battle in the RB competition with LJ, Smith, Charles also in front of him. Savage won't make it thru waivers. Neither will Battle. So trading Savage in a deal to sweeten the pot for Boldin would be a great move instead of just losing him to waivers.

But as far as any of the guys/picks that i've suggested trading:

Webb
Smith
Savage
Carr
Pollard
Harris
3rd RD pick

I promise you it would take a combo of AT LEAST three of them. If you were to take a package of these players and show them to a scout as a proposed deal for Boldin, you'd probably be shot down. Combining any of these three players probably still wouldn't be enough to bring in Boldin. But it would probably be a good starting spot.

You might have to add in someone like Allan or Cottam or perhaps even one of the higher ranked RBs like Smith to pull this trade off. But for real, saying you wouldn't trade Carr for Boldin is just ridiculous.

tornadospotter
08-22-2008, 02:15 AM
I think Savage will make the team, and I still think we do not want to trade for Boldin, I am sick of players that are not happy, for what ever reason!! Booo Finging hoo...................... I want true Chiefs, If we are rebuilding, then keep the players we have and lets play them and win!!!!! We have the WR's we need for this season! If any need we have, its at MLB!
jmo

texaschief
08-22-2008, 03:43 AM
MLB IS a need on this team. However, we need a stud there. Nobody in their right mind would trade a stud MLB or allow one to go to free agency...let alone a young one who would fit in with this team. The Chiefs' only real shot at bringing in a stud at MLB would be to spend a first rounder on one and hopefully you don't draft the next Napoleon Harris.

Right now, if the Chiefs were to make a trade, it would have to be for either a stop gap at LB or for a stud WR like Boldin.

royalswin100games
08-22-2008, 10:57 AM
I would understand why we might trade for a WR and maybe a LB but why wouldn't we make a deal for any other position? I would think we might need a OG.

DrunkHillbilly
08-22-2008, 12:22 PM
Keep in mind that Boldin has three years left on his current contract. He will be a Cardinal through this season guaranteed! So, if anything were to happen, it wouldn't be until after this season at the very earliest.

AkChief49
08-22-2008, 12:25 PM
you all are making great points! Man to think of the passing threat(what a relief from the eight in the box!)that Chiefs would have with Bouldin, Bowe( both decent blockers too!) as a receiving core...............the last time I wished on a superstar, we got Joe Montana.

texaschief
08-22-2008, 02:36 PM
I would understand why we might trade for a WR and maybe a LB but why wouldn't we make a deal for any other position? I would think we might need a OG.

I honestly don't think we'll need another Olineman. We just need to develop the guys we have on the line. We've got plenty of talent, just no experience. This is where i wish we still had Solari. He was a great Oline coach.

But a stud OG is a position much easier to fill later in the draft and unless we go get someone great (which no team would trade) there's really no point in trading away assets to bring in a RG. Besides, i wouldn't be shocked to see someone like Taylor, Richardson, or Stallings step up and claim that spot once Albert comes back from injury.

Trading for Boldin or another WR has just been thrust a little harder to the forefront considering Franklin's injury yesterday to his knee.

Bike
08-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Napolean and Carl for Boldin. DO IT.

m0ef0e
08-22-2008, 03:57 PM
You're not too good at evaluating talent. How would trading an underachieving DB who has a replacement ready to step in, a 5th rd CB and a third rd. pick next year affect the outcome of the Jared Allen trade? That makes no sense at all.



I would be absolutely stunned if Savage made this team. The Chiefs won't take 5 RBs into the season. Right now, the only way that Savage makes this team is as a return guy. If he made the team that way, you'd have to say goodbye to either Sams, Robinson or Barksdale. Right now, Savage has trade value and would have to be a throw-in if the Cards took Harris. Webb would also have good trade value.

But right now, Savage is probably behind Battle in the RB competition with LJ, Smith, Charles also in front of him. Savage won't make it thru waivers. Neither will Battle. So trading Savage in a deal to sweeten the pot for Boldin would be a great move instead of just losing him to waivers.

But as far as any of the guys/picks that i've suggested trading:

Webb
Smith
Savage
Carr
Pollard
Harris
3rd RD pick

I promise you it would take a combo of AT LEAST three of them. If you were to take a package of these players and show them to a scout as a proposed deal for Boldin, you'd probably be shot down. Combining any of these three players probably still wouldn't be enough to bring in Boldin. But it would probably be a good starting spot.

You might have to add in someone like Allan or Cottam or perhaps even one of the higher ranked RBs like Smith to pull this trade off. But for real, saying you wouldn't trade Carr for Boldin is just ridiculous.

No way on Cottam. I like what I've seen from him and want to keep him around for the future.

texaschief
08-22-2008, 04:22 PM
No way on Cottam. I like what I've seen from him and want to keep him around for the future.

I'm sure other teams like what they've seen as well. You have to look at guys on our team who have trade value if you want to bring back Boldin. I like Cottam too. But I also like Boldin. I doubt the Chiefs or the Cardinals would be interested in trading Gonzo, but who knows. You'd like to bring in Boldin and keep Cottam to grow up with the team, but again, to bring in talent, you've got to be willing to give up talent.

tornadospotter
08-22-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm sure other teams like what they've seen as well. You have to look at guys on our team who have trade value if you want to bring back Boldin. I like Cottam too. But I also like Boldin. I doubt the Chiefs or the Cardinals would be interested in trading Gonzo, but who knows. You'd like to bring in Boldin and keep Cottam to grow up with the team, but again, to bring in talent, you've got to be willing to give up talent.
NO TRADING TG OR COTTAM, (the future TG)!!!! :mob: :mob: :mob:
Bolidin is not worth it!!!

jtandcrew
08-22-2008, 08:53 PM
Its not worth trading TG in his twilight years with him being able to train Cottam to take his place. TE has been 1 of the Chiefs strongest positions for along time even before TG. Not saying Hayes was it but look at history. TBH, if I was to trade anyone in a rebuilding year for Boldin with the talent we have at RB then go ahead and trade LJ for him. I know it sounds crazy but we dont really know how he is going to produce after last season. Its a proven thing that not all players bounce back after injury. Although, I dont know if Arizona would be interested since they have James. Although I wouldnt mind more of a veteren to groom the new guys. Just my thoughts though.

texaschief
08-22-2008, 10:54 PM
Its not worth trading TG in his twilight years with him being able to train Cottam to take his place. TE has been 1 of the Chiefs strongest positions for along time even before TG. Not saying Hayes was it but look at history. TBH, if I was to trade anyone in a rebuilding year for Boldin with the talent we have at RB then go ahead and trade LJ for him. I know it sounds crazy but we dont really know how he is going to produce after last season. Its a proven thing that not all players bounce back after injury. Although, I dont know if Arizona would be interested since they have James. Although I wouldnt mind more of a veteren to groom the new guys. Just my thoughts though.

I like this idea A LOT!!! Right now, his stock is high and will be even higher after saturday night if he plays a whole first half without injury. This would net us more than just Boldin. We would be the one trading the higher talent which would bring us more draft picks for next spring! I like that a lot. I think Smith or Battle or a combo of the two could step in and become the featured back in this system. The four RBs behind Johnson would fill in just fine for Larry.

tornadospotter
08-22-2008, 11:16 PM
Trade one previous unhappy player that got his payday, for a current unhappy player who wants his payday. Forget about it. I for one would be very surprised if we traded for Boldin.

jtandcrew
08-23-2008, 08:13 AM
I would be surprised also and dont think we will. Also, like a previous post has said Boldin will be in AZ through 08, im just saying that I would rather let go of LJ now for Boldin rather than trade him later. Besides, this is all just hypothetical.

DrunkHillbilly
08-23-2008, 01:51 PM
I like this idea A LOT!!! Right now, his stock is high and will be even higher after saturday night if he plays a whole first half without injury. This would net us more than just Boldin. We would be the one trading the higher talent which would bring us more draft picks for next spring! I like that a lot. I think Smith or Battle or a combo of the two could step in and become the featured back in this system. The four RBs behind Johnson would fill in just fine for Larry.
Not a chance in HE double hockey sticks of the Cards trading Boldin for TG!! On either side. Although if you remember, it wasn't too long ago that TG was talking about wanting to go to a contender!!! Anywho, the Cardinals have never had a decent TE. They for some reason just don't use that style of offense. Could explain a lot huh!!!???

For those that don't think trading Cottom for Bodin would be a good deal, your crazy!!!!!!!!! It would take atleast two more guys in the deal but Boldin is the real deal!!!! Remember, I see him play every game and he is a top 5 receiver in this league. I would take him before Chad Johnson or Harrison at this point. His stats are great!!! Now, I'm not sure how he would be affected by not having a QB but over the last several seasons, he has been very, very productive! He is great at getting yards after the catch so Brodie's dump off could be affective. He's still young too! Like I said, I wouldn't be holding my breath for this to happen because of him still having 3 years on this contract. Besides most of Rosentool's players have ended up getting things straightened out with their current teams anyway and not one of his players that have been pissing and moaning about wanting more money have missed one day of training camp!!

Coach
08-26-2008, 12:44 AM
I think the Chiefs will wait to see if another receiver emerges out of their existing crop of WR's. The kind of move you are proposing is more likely to happen next year.

milkman
08-27-2008, 01:31 PM
I like this idea A LOT!!! Right now, his stock is high and will be even higher after saturday night if he plays a whole first half without injury. This would net us more than just Boldin. We would be the one trading the higher talent which would bring us more draft picks for next spring! I like that a lot. I think Smith or Battle or a combo of the two could step in and become the featured back in this system. The four RBs behind Johnson would fill in just fine for Larry.

Were I the Cardinals, there's no way I'd trade Boldan for LJ straight up.

Seek
08-28-2008, 01:34 PM
I would be surprised also and dont think we will. Also, like a previous post has said Boldin will be in AZ through 08, im just saying that I would rather let go of LJ now for Boldin rather than trade him later. Besides, this is all just hypothetical.

Don't the Cards have Edgerin James. Why would they want to take on two high dollar contracts for two starting Running backs?

I know the situation was hypothetical, but it doesn't make sense for Arizona or KC for that matter.

Three7s
08-28-2008, 03:53 PM
Don't the Cards have Edgerin James. Why would they want to take on two high dollar contracts for two starting Running backs?

I know the situation was hypothetical, but it doesn't make sense for Arizona or KC for that matter.
Edgerin James is getting old, he kind of showed that when he played us. Regardless, I don't think they take LJ.