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Chiefster
06-25-2007, 12:36 PM
:fatlock: is at it again; stirring the pot like the Barbie-Q confection that he baths in.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/162774.html

Rebels need causes. Without one, they appear foolish, immature and angry for no reason.

Larry Johnson is a rebel. Itís in his DNA ó the mind that is always thinking, the comfort with confrontation, the desire to point out hypocrisy and the love of raw honesty.

Unfortunately for Larry Johnson and every football coach who has been blessed to coach him, football has been Larryís lone cause.

Larry rebels on the football field. The results of that rebellion have been both breathtaking and frustrating. Johnson, Kansas Cityís Pro Bowl running back, has set records and caused headaches with equal regularity.

The Chiefs are probably headed for a prolonged migraine this training camp. Without a new contract that pays Johnson $27 million to $28 million in guaranteed money or $25 million to $26 million over the first three years of the deal, I canít imagine why Larry Johnson would report to training camp.

He canít report to camp without a new deal. At age 27 and coming off a 416-carry season, it would be economic insanity for Johnson to play for the $1.7 million the Chiefs are scheduled to pay him. And he canít sit back and wait for the Chiefs to slap him with the franchise tag next season.

ďWhat a lot of people fail to understand is the NFL is the only sport without guaranteed contracts,Ē Johnsonís agent Alvin Keels reiterated to me in an e-mail on Friday. ďIf a player has played four years in the league and hasnít yet cracked the starting lineup, and he was due to earn $1.7 million, itís a good chance that the team would cut the player to avoid paying such a salary. That is the reason players hold out in the NFL. Itís the only leverage that most players have when trying to seek a compromise with their organization. In our case, Larry doesnít want to hold out. He wants to be in camp with his teammates, but holding out is an option.Ē

Holding out is the only option.

The only real question is, what is Larry Johnson worth? Is he worth LaDainian Tomlinson money? And what is LT money?

Tomlinson, the leagueís best back, signed a deal in 2004 that paid him $21 million in guarantees and a little more than $25 million over the first three years. Since Tomlinson signed that deal, thereís been a new collective bargaining agreement and a significant raise in the salary cap.

Thatís why a year ago, Edgerrin James signed with the Arizona Cardinals for $14.75 million in guaranteed money and $25 million over the first three years. The first three years of a playerís contract is important because that is the money he is likely to receive.

What would Tomlinson command in todayís market? Probably $30 million in guaranteed and $35 million over the first three years.

So, in Johnsonís opinion, he is not asking for LT money. Heís asking for less than what LT would command today. Johnson wants a better deal than the one the Cardinals gave James. Does he deserve that? Yes.

Johnson is the second-best back in the league. James is not in his class. He made his name running the ball in Peyton Manningís offense. Itís never easy to run the ball in the NFL, but running the ball with Manning and Marvin Harrison as distractions is a lot easier than what Johnson did last season for the Chiefs.

I canít predict what Johnson will do if he gets his money. Will he become a better teammate, a stabilizing force in the locker room, less moody, less likely to text message during team meetings?

I donít know. Heís a rebel who hasnít found a worthy cause. Thereís no balance in his life. As long as thatís the case, as long as he bucks against the legacy his father laid before him, I suspect LJ will have emotional problems.

But you never know when a cause-less rebel is going to get ďit,Ē settle down and do something productive with his passion. Maybe all Larry needs is unconditional love (money) from the Chiefs.

BoredomReallySux
06-25-2007, 01:21 PM
Why shouldn't he get paid?

chief31
06-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Why shouldn't he get paid?

He should get paid, just nothing like what L.T. gets. Edgerrin James is a better runningback than Johnson is, too. Johnson only does onr thing well. He runs, between the tackles. He refuses to put fourth the effort, when asked to do anything else. Why pay him, like a complete back, when he isn't?

Chiefster
06-26-2007, 12:40 AM
I just don't want Carl to break the bank on the guy.

stlchief
06-26-2007, 12:47 AM
I said we should have traded him before the season started. Now that there are hold-out talks (as I believe I would do if I was in his place), it makes even more sense. Part of the contract is timing, and I think the time is right to get draft picks and go our separate ways....

(This is the only question about a trade -- the Wesley discussion shouldn't even be on the same website....)

:-)

wolfpack
06-26-2007, 02:23 AM
i wish we would have traded him sooner but with croyle starting,maybe, LJ was needed. i think that is what the queen was thinking. he`ll get in the top 5 backs money. i`d throw in a big bonus if he would learn to block.

Guru
06-26-2007, 02:41 AM
At this point, Carl really has no choice but to pay the man. LJ has all the leverage now.

Chiefster
06-26-2007, 02:56 AM
At this point, Carl really has no choice but to pay the man. LJ has all the leverage now.


..Or, of course, I guess he could try to play hard ball, but I think you're probably right.

chief31
06-26-2007, 03:13 AM
I said we should have traded him before the season started. Now that there are hold-out talks (as I believe I would do if I was in his place), it makes even more sense. Part of the contract is timing, and I think the time is right to get draft picks and go our separate ways....

(This is the only question about a trade -- the Wesley discussion shouldn't even be on the same website....)

:-)

This is exactly how I feel. I agree, that I would hold-out, as well, but do not agree, with the rest of the world, on his value. But, I would talk-up his value, for trade purposes.

BoredomReallySux
06-27-2007, 07:57 PM
LJ is Peterson's pick, he'll get paid.

TheLateGreat#58Fan
06-30-2007, 05:31 PM
No way that Edgerrin James is better than LJ. He owuld never have a prayer to put up LJ numbers in our offense. Edge is a good back, but a product of the system at college and pro level. Lj isn't the best recieving or blocking back in the world. His receving numbers are atleast complementary to edge's. If we arent gonna get Herschel Walker type picks for him then we have to resign him or we are in trouble this year.
He's a mean running back and I like his attitude.....on the field. and besides that he's young and still learning not everyone is Will Shields-unfortunately

You have to like having a bruiser back there- a little hint of Barry Word and the Nigerian Nightmare for those that remember

wolfpack
06-30-2007, 06:02 PM
i want a back like Marcus Allen or Priest that is as a big of threat catching a pass coming out of the back as his running ability. those two backs seemed to know how to find holes and the endzone.

chief31
06-30-2007, 06:27 PM
I disagree, because, aside from sub-par blocking and average recieving skills, he has refused to run the ball outside. When a sweep was called, last season, Larry had a tendancy to drop his arms (like a child, throwing a fit) and stomp, out of bounds. His YPC average, last year, was average. (4.3) The fact that he broke the record for attempts, says nothing about his productivity. If he were to become a grown-up, then he, certainly, has the skills. But, as of now, he is a one-trick-pony.

Christian Okoye was a real bruiser, of a running back. Larry isn't half the monster, he was and even Okoye didn't last very long, running like he did.

Here I go, again, with my negativity. I say, either get him signed for the year, then franchise him, or trade him, now, before his value decreases. I imagine the Packers, Giants and Eagles would be interested. The Eagles have some extra OT depth, too.

Chiefster
06-30-2007, 09:03 PM
I disagree, because, aside from sub-par blocking and average recieving skills, he has refused to run the ball outside. When a sweep was called, last season, Larry had a tendancy to drop his arms (like a child, throwing a fit) and stomp, out of bounds. His YPC average, last year, was average. (4.3) The fact that he broke the record for attempts, says nothing about his productivity. If he were to become a grown-up, then he, certainly, has the skills. But, as of now, he is a one-trick-pony.

Christian Okoye was a real bruiser, of a running back. Larry isn't half the monster, he was and even Okoye didn't last very long, running like he did.

Here I go, again, with my negativity. I say, either get him signed for the year, then franchise him, or trade him, now, before his value decreases. I imagine the Packers, Giants and Eagles would be interested. The Eagles have some extra OT depth, too.


Ding, ding, ding!!!! We gotta winner Johnny!


Until our unproven "O" line displays the ability to open up the running lanes I'm not really sure it's going to matter just who we give the ball to. IMHO.

Chiefster
06-30-2007, 09:09 PM
...the Nigerian Nightmare for those that remember

Ah yes; Christian Okoye one of my all time favorite running backs!
YouTube - Tecmo Super Bowl - Christian "The Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye

Canada
06-30-2007, 09:10 PM
I am wearing #35 right now!! Makes me feel like a big man

Canada
06-30-2007, 09:16 PM
I heard a rumor about Dallas being interested in LJ. They would trade a first rounder Julius Jones and something else. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Chiefster
06-30-2007, 09:17 PM
I am wearing #35 right now!! Makes me feel like a big man


You have been endowed by the spirit of Okoye!

Chiefster
06-30-2007, 09:21 PM
I heard a rumor about Dallas being interested in LJ. They would trade a first rounder Julius Jones and something else. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?


I had not heard.

TheLateGreat#58Fan
06-30-2007, 10:19 PM
Ah yes; Christian Okoye one of my all time favorite running backs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ddO5ENtus
Nice Tecmo Super Bowl reference, Todd McNair on the return long time since we heard that name or Steve Deberg lol
what a great name, and I do miss the days of power running and shut down defense

chief31
06-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Ah yes; Christian Okoye one of my all time favorite running backs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ddO5ENtus

That is an absolute riot!!! I can watch that daily.


I heard a rumor about Dallas being interested in LJ. They would trade a first rounder Julius Jones and something else. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Sounds like a plan to me. I might prefer having Marion Barber III, instead.

Chiefster
07-01-2007, 12:44 PM
That is an absolute riot!!! I can watch that daily.


Yeah, I laughed my butt off the when I saw it; hilarious!

BoredomReallySux
07-01-2007, 09:06 PM
So why does the person controlling him make him run all over the field like that, and why couldn't anyone tackle him?

Chiefster
07-01-2007, 09:42 PM
So why does the person controlling him make him run all over the field like that, and why couldn't anyone tackle him?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6663/flexzv9.jpg

Anymore questions?