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m0ef0e
10-09-2008, 05:07 PM
http://kcchiefs.com/news/2008/10/08/its_brodie_now_or_start_over/

It looks like Carl's mouthpiece is setting Brodie up for the fall guy once this thing goes in the tank. Just another way Carl keeps trying to save his own skin if you ask me. Of course, it's true that there's a lot of pressure on Brodie just to stay healthy for the remainder of the season, if nothing else.

I saw this coming, tho. I just know that if the season keeps going totally south, Brodie will take the fall in an attempt for Carl and Herm to try to salvage their jobs. However, if things wind up bad enough this season, it will be interesting to see if Carl tries to sail Herm down the river in an attempt to save his @$$. My money says he will unless we win at least 4 games or unless the pressure subsides after the ritual killings when Brodie and whoever else are thrown under the bus.

It's all semantics, anyway. The fact remains that Carl needed to go yesterday, needs to go now, and will need to go tomorrow until he's actually and finally gone...

The last sentence of the article was kind of interesting to me, tho. Gretz mentions that several nameless futures are in jeopardy with the Chiefs as well. Maybe there is hope, after all...

jtandcrew
10-09-2008, 05:15 PM
http://kcchiefs.com/news/2008/10/08/its_brodie_now_or_start_over/

It looks like Carl's mouthpiece is setting Brodie up for the fall guy once this thing goes in the tank. Just another way Carl keeps trying to save his own skin if you ask me. Of course, it's true that there's a lot of pressure on Brodie just to stay healthy for the remainder of the season, if nothing else.

I saw this coming, tho. I just know that if the season keeps going totally south, Brodie will take the fall in an attempt for Carl and Herm to try to salvage their jobs. However, if things wind up bad enough this season, it will be interesting to see if Carl tries to sail Herm down the river in an attempt to save his @$$. My money says he will unless we win at least 4 games or unless the pressure subsides after the ritual killings when Brodie and whoever else are thrown under the bus.

It's all semantics, anyway. The fact remains that Carl needed to go yesterday, needs to go now, and will need to go tomorrow until he's actually and finally gone...

How many years does Carl have on his contract extension he signed? I remember him saying he was done after that. Thats why he is getting Kuharich in a more prominent role. I think Carl and Herm go to far back for Carl to get rid of Herm. I truely think that they will both go down with the ship. Then we will have to start the fire Kuharich and whoever he hires as head coach campaign! :lol:

Wheres Cowher when we need a chance? Lets just fire the lot of them and bring in Cowher in mid season and let HIM assess the talent he has on the team while there are games left instead of another wasted season next year.:mob:

Bike
10-09-2008, 05:15 PM
Brodie is already making excuses before he even sets his feet on the field. He has already told the media that he is not 100 percent yet. He has already lost to Tenn.

m0ef0e
10-09-2008, 05:18 PM
How many years does Carl have on his contract extension he signed? I remember him saying he was done after that. Thats why he is getting Kuharich in a more prominent role. I think Carl and Herm go to far back for Carl to get rid of Herm. I truely think that they will both go down with the ship. Then we will have to start the fire Kuharich and whoever he hires as head coach campaign! :lol:

Wheres Cowher when we need a chance? Lets just fire the lot of them and bring in Cowher in mid season and let HIM assess the talent he has on the team while there are games left instead of another wasted season next year.:mob:

I think thru next year. Not 100% on that, tho.

If it does come down to Herm being here for another year and he can't get it together, maybe we should look at Holmgren after his year-long hiatus.

jtandcrew
10-09-2008, 05:25 PM
I think thru next year. Not 100% on that, tho.

If it does come down to Herm being here for another year and he can't get it together, maybe we should look at Holmgren after his year-long hiatus.

I would feel more comfortable with Cowher but I wouldnt be opposed to give Holmgren 3 years to do it depending on the state of the team. If he has to dismantle it I would give him or Cowher 5 years. Only reason I wouldnt give Herm and Carl that long? They have already dismantled it and Carl has had 19 years of mediocricy. Herm to the Jets (playoff team) and went downhill the same way we have. Its 1 thing to rebuild but you have to do it transitionally. Not the wholed damned team at once. You dont keep your job long that way.

rbedgood
10-10-2008, 04:56 AM
I like Holmgren, but don't think he's what you guys need. Holmgren's system is very dependent on a stud QB, and a strong O-line. He doesn't need the best WRs or running backs (see what Julius Jones, Maurice Morris and others have done under him)...I don't see Croyle being that QB, and by the time the Chiefs could get one, the only guy who would be left on the line right now would be Albert. Unless you could trade Waters, LJ and yeah, Gonzalez for 1st day draft picks (1st/2ndrounds) then you aren't going to fill all the holes you'd need to fill for Holmgren.

Cowher on the other hand, can work with mediocre QBs (Maddox, O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart) and have a succesful team). The only hole he'd need to fill on offense is likely the Guard positions (1 to start now, and 1 to replace Waters in time)...and another TE as he uses genuine 2 TE sets a lot. Cowher could make good use of LJ yet knows how to mix it up with vertical passes and trick plays. He would be the ultimate answer for you guys. If he doesn't want to come back, or chooses another locale then the next best bet is to go after Jason Garrett. He's the coach of the future in Dallas, but if Wade Phillips isn't ready to retire then he may become available?! He's younger, so you'd have to bring in a GM also, and I'd seriously chase down Marti Schottenheimer and see if he'd like to take Carl's old post. Bit of irony there?!

DrunkHillbilly
10-10-2008, 03:38 PM
Brodie was a bust the minute he was drafted. May go down as one of the worst picks the Chiefs have ever made!!!! However, as far as CP putting the blame on Croyle goes, the only blame there is on CP. He drafted him so he deserves what he is getting!!!!!

tornadospotter
10-10-2008, 03:51 PM
Brodie was a bust the minute he was drafted. May go down as one of the worst picks the Chiefs have ever made!!!! However, as far as CP putting the blame on Croyle goes, the only blame there is on CP. He drafted him so he deserves what he is getting!!!!!


Worst than Todd Blackledge? ( not sure I spelled his name correctly)

Three7s
10-10-2008, 05:07 PM
Brodie was a bust the minute he was drafted. May go down as one of the worst picks the Chiefs have ever made!!!! However, as far as CP putting the blame on Croyle goes, the only blame there is on CP. He drafted him so he deserves what he is getting!!!!!
I agree with what you say a lot of the time, but to say he could be the worst pick in Chiefs history is silly. Ryan Simms? That dude did NOTHING! At least Brodie tried. Though, it's true that he hasn't won a game......

Drunker Hillbilly
10-10-2008, 05:58 PM
I agree with what you say a lot of the time, but to say he could be the worst pick in Chiefs history is silly. Ryan Simms? That dude did NOTHING! At least Brodie tried. Though, it's true that he hasn't won a game......
I think you just proved my point!!! Besides, I said ONE of the worst!

IlovetheChiefs
10-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Yeah that is a point there. Even though Todd Blackledge had poor numbers like sometimes less than 50% completion percentage, his record as a starter was 13-11. 4-4 the first season, 3-3 the second, i.e. pretty much 50-50, whereas Brodie is 0-7. Of course the line for Blackledge was probably better. But just going on won-loss record, Brodie, so far, is a bigger bust. But it's still early for him and we're all hoping he can do it.

One thing too, The Chiefs probably had a lighter schedule back then (mid 80's) because now the schedule is pretty much the same regardless of your record. However, the AFC West was certainly no cake walk then.

Drunker Hillbilly
10-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Yeah that is a point there. Even though Todd Blackledge had poor numbers like sometimes less than 50% completion percentage, his record as a starter was 13-11. 4-4 the first season, 3-3 the second, i.e. pretty much 50-50, whereas Brodie is 0-7. Of course the line for Blackledge was probably better. But just going on won-loss record, Brodie, so far, is a bigger bust. But it's still early for him and we're all hoping he can do it.

One thing too, The Chiefs probably had a lighter schedule back then (mid 80's) because now the schedule is pretty much the same regardless of your record. However, the AFC West was certainly no cake walk then.
Todd Blackledge could win more games today than Brodie!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!:yahoo:

Three7s
10-10-2008, 06:38 PM
I think you just proved my point!!! Besides, I said ONE of the worst!
Well, yeah, unless something dramatic happens, Croyle will be one of the organizations worst picks. Not a coincidence that it came during our worst drafts with Vermeil. Simms is still the worst pick in Chiefs history, though.

jtandcrew
10-11-2008, 01:36 AM
I like Holmgren, but don't think he's what you guys need. Holmgren's system is very dependent on a stud QB, and a strong O-line. He doesn't need the best WRs or running backs (see what Julius Jones, Maurice Morris and others have done under him)...I don't see Croyle being that QB, and by the time the Chiefs could get one, the only guy who would be left on the line right now would be Albert. Unless you could trade Waters, LJ and yeah, Gonzalez for 1st day draft picks (1st/2ndrounds) then you aren't going to fill all the holes you'd need to fill for Holmgren.

Cowher on the other hand, can work with mediocre QBs (Maddox, O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart) and have a succesful team). The only hole he'd need to fill on offense is likely the Guard positions (1 to start now, and 1 to replace Waters in time)...and another TE as he uses genuine 2 TE sets a lot. Cowher could make good use of LJ yet knows how to mix it up with vertical passes and trick plays. He would be the ultimate answer for you guys. If he doesn't want to come back, or chooses another locale then the next best bet is to go after Jason Garrett. He's the coach of the future in Dallas, but if Wade Phillips isn't ready to retire then he may become available?! He's younger, so you'd have to bring in a GM also, and I'd seriously chase down Marti Schottenheimer and see if he'd like to take Carl's old post. Bit of irony there?!

i might be wrong but wasnt Chan the OC for the Steelers with Kordell?

jtandcrew
10-11-2008, 01:37 AM
Well, yeah, unless something dramatic happens, Croyle will be one of the organizations worst picks. Not a coincidence that it came during our worst drafts with Vermeil. Simms is still the worst pick in Chiefs history, though.

I disagree! It was Blackledge!:bananen_smilies046:

tornadospotter
10-11-2008, 02:32 AM
I was going to post, but will not.

AkChief49
10-11-2008, 04:03 AM
I disagree! It was Blackledge!:bananen_smilies046:don't forget Jr. Siavii!!

hardcorechiefsfan
10-11-2008, 05:23 AM
I was going to post, but will not.

Me too; I'm speechless.

chief31
10-11-2008, 11:23 AM
Well, yeah, unless something dramatic happens, Croyle will be one of the organizations worst picks. Not a coincidence that it came during our worst drafts with Vermeil. Simms is still the worst pick in Chiefs history, though.

I would say that a failed 1st rounder is gonna be a far bigger bust than a failed third round pick.

Also, Croyle came in Herms first draft with us. Rather you want to credit CP or Herm, you can't put that one on DV.

Three7s
10-11-2008, 04:01 PM
I would say that a failed 1st rounder is gonna be a far bigger bust than a failed third round pick.

Also, Croyle came in Herms first draft with us. Rather you want to credit CP or Herm, you can't put that one on DV.
Oh, I thought he was drafted in 05.

hermhater
10-11-2008, 07:00 PM
He has got to stay healthy or we will never know if he can adjust to the NFL.

Canada
10-11-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm starting to not care if he can adjust. He has had a pretty good shot and I think we know what we have. An average QB with a decent arm and a glass vagina!!

hermhater
10-11-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm starting to not care if he can adjust. He has had a pretty good shot and I think we know what we have. An average QB with a decent arm and a glass vagina!!

:lol:

nigeriannightmare
10-11-2008, 07:04 PM
I'm starting to not care if he can adjust. He has had a pretty good shot and I think we know what we have. An average QB with a decent arm and a glass vagina!!

IYes he does. Did you see the shot Gus Ferotte took last week, had that been brodie, he'd still be in the hospital.

hermhater
10-11-2008, 07:06 PM
And he's fond of trying to tackle whole groups of people that are returning his int's for TD's.

Not a smart move.

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 01:03 AM
The last great QB we have had was Joe Montana.

Canada
10-13-2008, 01:07 AM
The last great QB we have had was Joe Montana.

Trent Green :sign0104:

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 01:19 AM
Trent Green :sign0104:

Who is he?;)

tornadospotter
10-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Trent Green :sign0104:
Yes the last best QB we had.

rbedgood
10-13-2008, 01:23 AM
The greatest QB we have had was Joe Montana.

Fixed...

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 01:30 AM
Yes the last best QB we had. He was always getting injured! I do admit that everyone loved him though.

Canada
10-13-2008, 01:32 AM
He was always getting injured! I do admit that everyone loved him though.

What Chiefs team do you watch?

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 01:35 AM
What Chiefs team do you watch?

Kansas City!

Canada
10-13-2008, 01:37 AM
Kansas City!

...and how many times did u see Trent get hurt?

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 01:50 AM
...and how many times did u see Trent get hurt?

I don't know, maybe its the end of his chiefs' career that I remember most.

Canada
10-13-2008, 01:52 AM
I don't know, maybe its the end of his chiefs' career that I remember most.

Once against the Bungals. I guess u could say he was injury prone before and after the Chiefs.

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 02:09 AM
Once against the Bungals. I guess u could say he was injury prone before and after the Chiefs.

Ah ha!

chief31
10-13-2008, 05:27 AM
Once against the Bungals. I guess u could say he was injury prone before and after the Chiefs.

He spent five season here, starting every single game. But then came Herm. :D

tornadospotter
10-13-2008, 08:13 AM
He spent five season here, starting every single game. But then came Herm. :D

And the QB curse!!!!!

hardcorechiefsfan
10-13-2008, 09:00 AM
Originally Posted by chief31 http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/redbar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=101230#post101230)
He spent five season here, starting every single game. But then came Herm. :D
And the QB curse!!!!!
I feel like its more than the QB's or Hermie - even when we had Marty and a top defense we still didn't make it to the SB. I don't have any idea what it could be.

jtandcrew
10-13-2008, 10:42 AM
I'm starting to not care if he can adjust. He has had a pretty good shot and I think we know what we have. An average QB with a decent arm and a glass vagina!!


LMAO! I agree totally and actually thought the same thing! I just thought I would get banned if I said it! :lol: :bananen_smilies046: :yahoo:

chief31
10-18-2008, 02:51 PM
It's difficult for me to agree to calling Croyle fragile, as I remeber saying that he would get injured again, long before it happened.

Not because he is made of glass, not because of any 'curse', but because Herms QBs get hurt due to a piss-poor offensive line.

The more times you get hit, the better the odds that you will get hurt. And Herms QBs get hit ALOT.

I said last season that, unless we gave Brodie some protection, he was never going to get a real chance to show us anything.

I hoped that that wouldn't be the case, but here we all are calling Croyle 'Glass' and 'Bust', without ever seeing him play for an NFL offense.

Three7s
10-19-2008, 01:31 AM
It's difficult for me to agree to calling Croyle fragile, as I remeber saying that he would get injured again, long before it happened.

Not because he is made of glass, not because of any 'curse', but because Herms QBs get hurt due to a piss-poor offensive line.

The more times you get hit, the better the odds that you will get hurt. And Herms QBs get hit ALOT.

I said last season that, unless we gave Brodie some protection, he was never going to get a real chance to show us anything.

I hoped that that wouldn't be the case, but here we all are calling Croyle 'Glass' and 'Bust', without ever seeing him play for an NFL offense.
A guy who got ran out of New York for Favre is tearing it up right now in Miami. Could his name be Pennington?! Once thought of as an injury-prone QB and underachiever, now is lighting it up pretty good. Could be because he actually got away from HERM!

hardcorechiefsfan
10-19-2008, 01:55 AM
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Not because he is made of glass, not because of any 'curse', but because Herms QBs get hurt due to a piss-poor offensive line.

The more times you get hit, the better the odds that you will get hurt. And Herms QBs get hit ALOT.


You are right, Broyle is in harm's way because he doesn't have the protection of a protective o-line.

jtandcrew
10-20-2008, 10:46 AM
A guy who got ran out of New York for Favre is tearing it up right now in Miami. Could his name be Pennington?! Once thought of as an injury-prone QB and underachiever, now is lighting it up pretty good. Could be because he actually got away from HERM!

Which is the exact reason we need to get Herm and Carl outta KC! Niether 1 has good luck with QB's! Herm cant protect them and Carl cant pick them!

AkChief49
10-20-2008, 01:40 PM
A guy who got ran out of New York for Favre is tearing it up right now in Miami. Could his name be Pennington?! Once thought of as an injury-prone QB and underachiever, now is lighting it up pretty good. Could be because he actually got away from HERM!
Pennington has the highest (or one of the highset)completion %'s in the NFL- I truly am sorry for BC but that experiment is over! Sad, but this a tough league and our first pick now might be Stafford, because I think the prospect of being picked by the chiefs (Herms invisible O line)will keep Bradford in school!

slc chief
10-20-2008, 02:00 PM
oh come on guys arena bowl brodie might do bon jovi some good

chief31
10-21-2008, 05:23 AM
I truly am sorry for BC but that experiment is over! Sad, but this a tough league and our first pick now might be DEAD MEAT BEHIND CENTER, because I think the prospect of being picked by the chiefs (Herms invisible O line)will keep Bradford in school!

Fixed your reply.^
:lol: